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>Thread Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkafjN76VFo

>>41151653
Fuck that.
>real thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzlPw1um57k

any advice on what to do when you "see" lack of returns? JP says even a lack of return is the act of it coming into fruition yet i struggle with that, at least its the story im telling myself?

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https://youtube.com/shorts/tzFCZQs7ZdQ

>>41151717
Fuck your fuck that
>>real real thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsWFMgzdfoE

>>41151719
My gut feeling would be to distract myself with something fun.

>>41151740
>009 Sound System
Really fitting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLHNHQmlp8I

Is this the new /ng/

https://youtube.com/shorts/NF77uSNZo8E?si=SJuwLhrvWp54nnMG

https://youtube.com/shorts/tzFCZQs7ZdQ?si=hDDb4Fu0AL6gd8cB

Is meditation helpful for the practice of Oneirosophy?

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>Breaking Benjamin
Oddly fitting for this general.
>Show me what it's like
>To dream in black and white
>So I can leave this world tonight
>Holding on too tight
>Breathe the breath of life
>So I can leave this world behind
"Unknown Soldier", from the album Phobia

im so angry, i understand mechanically its all me making this life, but why the fuck would i continue to make shit happen in my reality constantly, does a higher version of myself enjoy being a wage slave? why the FUCK would i dream up this shit dream?, i choose to experience something different/better, I make a command from my OAP state of all thing no-thing, yet the space between returns is becoming more difficult to accept as the return being processed, fuck!

>>41152015
Everything you consider helpful it is, but yeah, meditation is great. The UL sessions are basically that, except that it's made on purpose of "directing the dream" in a calm fashion.

https://youtu.be/iptAkpqjtMQ

>>41151634
>/x/thread/41124151#p41151567

>>Anything? Like anything is possible?
>yes anon anything is possilble because you have what's called a "double". The "double" is the you in dreams.

>Those tensegrity exercises are meant to build personal power (loosh) and to entice the dream body (the double) to show up here in the real world.

>See there's 2 methods. You can either learn to lucid dream which is what i've been doing. or you can do the opposites and bring the dream to you (this is called dreaming awake).

>Eventually if you get super advanced the dream body can influence actual reality. That's how native americans and shamens shapeshift. they do it through the Dream body and eventually in their real body.

>>Btw, can you tell me if Daniel Lawton is absolutely serious about the stuff he says?
>Dan is serious but he has autism and thinks everyone is trying to destroy the castaneda magic. He and the other mods scare away people on a daily basis. The sub is dead because of that.

>Every sub on reddit makes fun of the castaneda subreddit. You should lurk there for a month and you'll see people pop up and then disappear after the mods and dan scare them off. It's funny to see it happen.

>dan is real. He's been practicing for 30 years.

>The only problem with that sub is dan and the mods teach dark room and tell people to focus on that. Also they teach people to befriend IOB's to gain power quickly.
>None of this shit was taught in the books. So i have to say that they're not teaching true sorcery. It's a modern zoomer version of sorcery. kek j/k.

>thats why i said skim the first 3 books. Pay attention to books 4 to 9. Practice tensegrity and the techniques you get from the books. you'll start getting results. But Sorcery and /one/ are 2 seperate things.
>Oneirosophy is a larping psycho drama. Sorcery is actually real and you'll actually start seeing shit like alternate dimensions and real entities like ghosts, jin, angels, elementals, demons etc etc

https://youtube.com/shorts/tzFCZQs7ZdQ

https://youtube.com/shorts/tzFCZQs7ZdQ
.

0RAMYD

>>41152187
So it took Dan Lawton 30 years (actually 55 years) of practicing sorcery until he reached an 'advanced' level of knowledge.
This means it would take one at least 30 years to practice sorcery until you reaaaaally know how to do it.
Will you then at least be able to 'time travel' back decades ago to relive your life again, not that it will have been a waste of time learning all of it in the end?

Dan literally argued that the so-called "Superman effect" won't ever happen. So what's the point of sorcery if it's useless anyways?

>>41152213
>Dan literally argued that the so-called "Superman effect" won't ever happen. So what's the point of sorcery if it's useless anyways?
I don't understand how Dan can say something like this, when you can perfectly dream being superman. In DreamViews it was a popular thing even, to just become some super hero in your own dream, flying and all. I think he's either coping, or gatekeeping the further extent of the implications of sorcery being real. He has two subreddits: One for the beginners and for advertisement, and other for "advanced practitioners", so maybe they keep the super heros on that one maybe. Either way, that anon is deeply retarded, and nothing he says adds up when even his own posts contradict themselves over paragraphs.

>>41152228
>you can perfectly dream being superman
What? Dreams are dreams, they aren't IRL

Why won't you stop being midwits and start see the things as they are?
We all live in the same realty, we all have one source and we all have free will to act as we please
So stop being your shells and be what I tell you to be, be good, be loving, be compasionate, be forgiving, live as if we're all one
>living ones, live as one! - Dezarie

>>41152243
Alright? And what about the rest of my post? Remember that the "sorcery" he describes is basically founded on dreaming. The anon may not realize that, but the further extent of what he's explaining is "dreams = reality", so when someone comes along and say that sorcery requires practicing lucid dreaming, but you can't be a "super hero", but you CAN actually do that, what does that mean? What is a "sorcerer"? In what serves me to do any of that? If Sorcery is true, then dreams have to be real.

>>41152262
>So stop being your shells and be what I tell you to be, be good, be loving, be compasionate, be forgiving, live as if we're all one
Really nice fortune cookie advice, but what if that sounds way too gay for me? One can live life as a playboy or self centered pirate just fine. I think "spirituality" is a cope used for emasculated men sometimes. A WAY BETTER way to see it imo, is this
>Just be yourself, and keep moving forward.

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>>41152262
>be what I tell you to be

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>>41152262
/OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE/
WE MUST BE BETTER MEN

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>>41152262
>W-WHAT?! IN THE NAME OF ABDULLAH AND JESUS CHRIST, WHAT DID YOU FELLOW 4CHANNERS SAID?! THAT DESPITE DOING SATS FOR TEN YEARS, SCRIPTING MY AFFIRMATIONS ON MY PHONE, WALLS, AND RIB CAGE USING A BUTTER KNIFE, FOLLOWING A MENTAL DIET LIKE A MORMON MISSIONARY, BREAKING MY SLEEP CYCLE WITH HYPNOTIC ASMR, TALKING WITH AI NEVILLE LIKE IF IT WERE MY GOD, SPENDING MY SAVINGS IN EDWARD ARTS COUCHING AND BOOKS, PRAYING TO THE I AM, WITH ALL THAT, STILL, MY SP FUCKED ANOTHER MAN?! AND AFTER DOING WEEKS ON END DAILY REVISIONS AND GETTING AN ANEURYSM, SHE ENDED UP PREGNANT?! AND NOW I NEED TO ASSUME THE BABY IS MINE?! WELL, WHAT CAN I SAY EXCEPT YABBA DABBA DOOOOO, NOW LETS ENTER INTO THE SILENCE

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>>41152301
>ON HOLDING ON (the intent) AND LETTING GO (the current experience)

>>41152262
define "being good", "being loving", "compassion", and "forgiveness" please?

>>41152262
You can create your own disney fairy tail story in your own reality, i actually encourge you to do that, we all play in our own sandbox game, don't forget to have fun

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>>41152213
>mfw what took 50 years of trial and error for Lawton and his acolytes, TG discovered it in 5 years of research
Huh

https://youtube.com/shorts/tzFCZQs7ZdQ?si=36vDwYRVtOvHXa2v

>>41152380 know it pretty well already
is there no one in your entire life so far who did or acted good with you? Was there no help for you from others? Was there no one to understand you for a moment at least? Was there none to forgive your mistakes?
I'm sure everyone in this world tasted good and bad in their own perception, but truth is truth and you know it when experienced, so please stop pretending to be "dumb", please? :D

>>41152285
Exactly :D

>>41152567
Yeah, basically. All these things mentioned comes down to personal inclinations, because emotions all comes from a personal place in the overall experience, so when he says "be good, be loving, be compasionate, be forgiving, live as if we're all one", you read the message and a personal interpretation comes about because all that is defined by you. Here's mine:
>be good
That means fuck women in the ass
>be loving
That means fuck women in the ass
>be compasionate
That means fuck women in the ass
>be forgiving
That means fuck women in the ass, and understand if they get assblasted about that fact (how you are to me :) i am to you)
>live as if we're all one
As if, my dong and her shitter are one and the same, and me fucking women in the ass is pure poetry in motion.

>Live as if we're all one man fucking all women in the ass -Anon

>>41152609
>Not "-Analon"
Missed opportunity there

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>>41152262
>Why won't you stop being midwits and start see the things as they are?
>We all [head canon]

>>41152262
"We"? Who's "we"? Nintendo Wii?

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>>41152187
>DUDE, LIKE...Oneirosophy is le false, but Sorcery is... le real! You have to enter the double in the second attention of tensegrity moves in the magical passes that the nagual used to taught to don manuel and the finito brothers, so you can reach the red zone in the darkroom, then after you absorb the energy body and reach SK, then
>Ah, yeah, sounds cool. So i can use this to fuck a ghost, or general utilities, what
>Erm, no, that's hecking problematic! *downvote* *permaban*

This is embarrassing. Countless of armchair magicians that nut on a sigil real quick and fuck a whore of choice, and then you have a community where you have to do all this shit to MAAAAYBE see some lights on the dark. Perhaps Carlos stuff was good, but i can't take seriously a community founded on a bunch of simps and cucks that worship women as gods and tell you that using your abilities for self interest is le bad. For a bunch of fedora wearing redditors that reject religion, i don't see any difference from the average christcuck in the general message there.

>>41152481
Who the fuck is TG? He hasn't posted anything at all, only a few weird posts about "television lattices" and "dimension jumpings" (what's the difference between this word and "reality shifting" anyways). What's so special about him, I don't get it?

And he got Castaneda wrong.

>>41153024
Leaving aside your /pol/ka dance, sounds like a skill issue and a (you) problem. That's why you learn how something works, so you don't live in "communities" you don't want to be, asking stupid shit like "how do I fuck Margareth from accounting?", "how do I get money?", "how do I become a futa?", "how do I tie my shoes?", etc.

>>41153024
"Oneirosophy" is a recently made-up term from this forum (this specific general), not sure why one should treat this like something special

>>41153024
I don't practice this gay sorcery btw, I agree with your greentext too!

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>>41153096
>so you don't live in "communities"
Let me be clear that i agree with the general idea of your posts, all that is gay, but let me infer on the following: What if this place is actually about putting a good use the central faculty of 4chan as a place?
>Shitposting
Like, if life is a larp, and everything is your dream, but somehow you CAN'T HELP YOURSELF for some reason to still coming to this place, and at the same time you still buying on the manifestation phenomena, then why not have a place, like this general, to put that one into a good use? See how the place has been going for these three first threads. The faggot that founded this joint will hate Lawton all he wants but he acts like him. Making inquiries into reality and general people behavior is actually great drill to become self aware of being someone posting on 4chan, or more like, a consciousness posting on 4chan. This place can actually be constructive because the anons who ask retarded shit like that fires a lightbulb inside and realize
>Wait, why am i asking stupid shit?
And get detached from whatever post he made. I don't know if you get what im getting at here. All this general serves is like an idea or nexus of sorts that the LoA place can no longer be, so we use shitposting, retardation, autism, and the general anon rage in our favor, for the first time ever. Hell, even the posts that try to "derrail" the general serves us because it bumps it for free. It's a well designed concept when you get the fullest extent of consideration.

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>>41153113
Chaos Magick is also a recently made up term by crowelians and i don't know why anyone would treat it as something special either. As well with LoA and Sorcery and basically every "spiritual" mumbo jumbo ever. So what's your point? Why threat any of this or anything else as something special? Oneirosophy is not special because nothing is. The central point of the matter is that everything is false, because everything is real. Nothing works because everything could. Nothing special about divination either, and we have a general for that as well. Nothing special about videogames either, and we have like 4 boards about them. Nothing special about internet, and is almost an entire virtual world of ideas that we get invested in EVERY SINGLE DAY. Also, we make made up terms all the time because there's nothing special about language either, it's a flexible thing, that's why you have the zoomer speak that sounds like a retarded disabled toddler and not decent human being speak like that in earnest, but also have made up esoteric ramblings with a lot of nutjobs terms also, but then you also have the sciences that is basically founded on "we made up shit all the time, and you have to take that for granted" too. You live in a made up world, a made up life, in a made up forum, posting a made up post, in a made up place, that someone made up, over an idea that someone made up as well.

Everything is made up. Because nothing is. Nothing new under the sun.

>>41153094
>(what's the difference between this word and "reality shifting" anyways)
The thing is, probably nothing. The only difference is that the DJ community was able to explain where they were coming from beyond methods and arbitrary factors, and even being able to explain metaphysics in a pretty solid way, which is something that the RS groups just won't do. While RS people would get upset about calling them larpers, the DJ people will actually agree, and get you to understand why you're always larping anyway, even in the ordinary terms of living or so to speak.

>And he got Castaneda wrong.
How you can get something "wrong" when it serves you?

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>>41152262
I won't bow down to retarded shit, i just can't be a metaphysical cuck.

>>41151634
Where can I find archived posts from r/Oneirosophy and r/DimensionJumping by TriumphantGeorge, (if there is an archived collection of those)?

>>41153487
Woah dude, is like... there's an sticky on there with exactly what you're asking for, isn't that crazy?

>>41153498
>Collection: TG Compedium (v1.0)
This one?

>>41153511
yeaah

>>41153096
I never had plans to be part of any COOMunity neither, and, yeah, i agree wholeheartedly with your post. It's just that the Castaneda subreddit keep coming up in this place as well the other guy with his schizo sorcery, and i just don't agree with any of that, which i wanted to say. As the other anon pointed out, this general is more like, "the place where we discuss manifestation and shit like that in a non retarded way", considering how 4chan works, it's useful, unlike the former LoA general and the other places on the internet at this point.

>>41153094
>What's so special about him, I don't get it?
It's like JP with his Universal Line stuff. There's nothing special about them, but they point out to something really essential about reality. If reality is a dream, then the only evidence you need is the personal one because there's no objectivity at all (as in, "Objectively speaking, all reality is subjective"). Is not much about George itself, but about the ideas he proposed. Oneirosophy was not even his invention, and yet, he was solely carrying that place by his own when he participated on it because he was not even "impossing his worldview" but pointing out at something essential about your existence. It's not that there's something remarkable here, it's just that this concept is really fucking useful at the long run. But also, you realize that this is probably the only useful focus of mind/reality model that exists, period. As some post in the last thread pointed out, everyone is already born an idealist.

It pleases me that this general and the LOA one fell apart.

>>41153690
I kinda realized that even if this general goes to ashes overnight, it won't really matter, at least not to the people who got the central lesson from this one.

>>41153094
Is not much about one thing being real and the other being not, is that or everything is real or nothing is (which is the same thing, same fact to get)

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We used to had it so good back in the day, what the hell happened?

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>>41153690
In the LoA general, people kicked out at sight any proficient poster. Here we pull the UNO reverse card, and kick out the useless niggers and schizos. I mean, actually, we are not "kicking them out", we don't even have to try, because the logic of our idea refute anything that externalize reality in any capacity, it gatekeeps itself against that sort of thing.

>>41151634
Bump for Breaking Benjamin

>>41152187
>>Oneirosophy is a larping psycho drama.
Then why did he said this in other post:
>Also i came here to reinforce that Law of assumption and universal line work.
It doesn't add up, as Oneirosophy is actually deducing what make those work in the first place. Hey, retard, if you're reading this, care to explain yourself?

>>41153831
leave now faggot

This general is so damn soulful. Maybe the best parts of the internet are also "idealistic" in nature.

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>>41151634
>For beginners:
>>Manifestation Repos
>https://codeberg.org/manifestation
>""""""""""For beginners:""""""""""
Am I supposed to know what this is? Not a computer nerd btw.

>>41154401
If you opened that link, you would find PDF documents that contains contributions from previous anons (To be more exact, ULAnon and the shifting guy one, the other one is useless), not a bunch of software. I suggest that you start to pay attention dude, you will need it.

>>41154424
I didn't see any PDFs in any of the repos on that page.

>>41154432
Let me add that there was one PDF that was one page with one image. Not a real PDF.

>>41154432
C'mon man...
>https://codeberg.org/manifestation/ulanon/releases
>https://codeberg.org/manifestation/shiftingmagick/releases

>>41154438
What the hell are you talking about? Every document there has several pages? Did you download a virus or something?

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>>41154439
>>41154445
Sites like this and github are such a pain in my fat dick. "Hurr durr let's hide the most pertinent information behind a tiny, easily missed button at the top of the second layer in and only there!"

>>41154469
The OP is already at limit as it is, and has everything necessary to get the idea about this stuff. Look at it this way, we got this minor aspect out of the way in this thread and so other things, so anyone repeating questions will get a "lurk moar" type answer. It also act like a filter, just like right now.

>>41154500
If you want to talk down to me, just call me a retard or something. Be bold.

>>41154515
I like you already, retard.

>>41154517
>Another methodslop coomsomer barges in asking for remedies
Check the archives

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>>41152187
>Oneirosophy is a larping psycho drama
>Say this when the guy he's citing wrote his material in novel format, thus, teaching principles in a larping psycho drama
What did he mean by this?

>>41155269
Furthermore, Neville teaches you that the bible is also a larping psycho drama, which ties in the metaphor thing that TG refers to. Thus, every religion or storyline is already allegorical and a bunch larping psycho drama. Then, if Carlos stuff is real, and considering that his material is purely narrative, that means that the central idea that Neville illustrated was also true. So the notion that what these two taught were "mutually exclusive" is entirely a semantic one.

>>41153831
Rule 1, Nature of Dream control by The Cusp, pal.

TG used Alan Chapman (chaos magick), Neville Goddard (Law of Assumption), and Carlos Castaneda (Sorcery), and all wielded results. I mean, allegedly, but the point is IT CAN yield results, they are just a bunch of ideas after all, and all of them just fit, because in the context of being a dream, every possibility just "fit". As John would put it, the ultimate truth is that nothing is happening at all times (as well everything is happening potentially within you, at all times also), and only the ultimate reference field is real, everything else is just the imagination of it on display.

>>41153094
>And he got Castaneda wrong.
So will you elaborate on this or...?

>TG Compedium (v.1.1)
https://rentry.org/zi3zbzen
Added his comments from /r/Philosophy and some other scattered comments. As always, the pre formatted editable: https://files.catbox.moe/ba0als.txt

dump

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>>41152301
>/loa/... we need to be better men... we need to manifest equality, manifest the end of sexism, respect the golden rule, go vegan, and let it go, my wife's boyfriend is me pushed out, and so is my wife's son. When the bull comes to do his sloppy job on my wifes cunt, all i have to say is "Isn't wonderful?", exactly how i imagined it. Neville would want it that way. Anons, respect the law. Be grateful. Be. Better.

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>>41150972
are you agreeing or disagreeing with my statement
>What i want and what i like is good, and what i don't want and what i don't like is bad.
yes that is basically what it is at the end. Morality is fake, "moral people" only do moral things because they internally think they are gonna get something greater in return and they want that, be it heaven, good karma etc etc or even that "high" you get when you help someone yk? even morality in itself is that I do moral things because that's what's right and what's right it's good and I want good etc etc
>As much as you want to? If the logic follows?
what logic? I'm asking about this "method" in particular or whatever you want to call it to the links on OP
didn't get an answer....

>>41157649
>didn't get an answer....
It seems that someone didn't pay attention: >>41154953

https://youtube.com/shorts/tzFCZQs7ZdQ?si=CxP9yXT7YmlRh9aZ

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>TG describing what's basically is a UL session

I'm noticing.

>>41157653
it doesn't appear as (you) cuz it's on a new thread. what are the keywords I should look in the archive smart asss

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie

Interesting.

>>41157819
>what are the keywords I should look in the archive
I would suggest just reading the last two threads we had, this general is fairly recent.

>>41157819
You may also want to check the /LoA/ threads made from Thu 04 Sep 2025 to Tue 16 Sep 2025, as it gives you a context of how this general came to be.

>>41157840
>>41157826
okay thanks

>>41153831
>/UNO/ - Oneirosophy General

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Some entertaining remarks.

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I like the relaxed nature of this topic. It even come up with inquiries of ordinary facets of the world like this one >>41150328 in the past thread
The inquisitive and open minded nature of it makes a more comfy oriented experience, and less
>I DEMAND A QUICK FIX TO MY SHITTY LIFE SITUATION AT ONCE OR ELSE
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>>41158194
>that pic
Unlocked some memories of the time I was into SMT anon.

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>>41158287
>ANOTHER GOD REJECTED
It would be wonderful to have a SMT themed thread someday. I also feel that the most neutral aligned would feel at home with the topic.

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>>41157819
I recommend the "4chan X" extension for easier navigation. Also, AMAZING SYNCHRONICITY HOLY SHIT >>41158344

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>>41151634
Ok /one/, why is LoA a scam and Oneirosophy is real?

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>>41158462
>why is LoA a scam and Oneirosophy is real?
No, you got it wrong. A lot, honestly.
First, Oneirosophy is simply "Pragmatical Magical Idealism", that's it, deducing the mechanism of reality that makes things like LoA work in the first place. Is actually using your head to really conclude that your experience is entirely subjective.
Second, under this notion, LoA can't be "a scam", and the shitflinging around it in their communities is because they generally make a sacred cow of their personal feelings, as well as they threat the matter of subject with a religious approach (Confusing facts with personal feelings), instead of trying to fit what Goddard explained in their already ongoing patterns, and try to partake into the applications in a logical and mechanical manner. They took Goddard books as a replacement of gospels, instead of tools in order to discover the "dream-like" nature of the world under that kind of lenses.

>>41158462
They're both real as are other forms of magic. Oneirosophy is about the fundamental mechanics behind it, and takes it to its conclusion.
This line of thinking is the antithesis of a console wars attitude about practices which is why it split off from /loa/.

>>41158502
It's a dualistic notion that any of this differs from each other, really. Thus, an illusory one.

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I am done with a portrait and the 2 parts of advanced financial gains
where should i head next?
i only care for the most relavent parts, i don't mind repetition, BTW, i like how he repeats what he says in different formats

>>41158532
>where should i head next?
Did you read the two essentials? They extrapolate in Advanced Financial Gain. Also, the Q&A's gave a lot of answers to common misconceptions.

>>41158537
No, but i was thinking of reading the 2 essentials, which Q and A?

There is a long one in the early parts of the PDF, i might read it later once my understanding of John's text is good enough

>>41158564
>which Q and A?
Ideally, all of them.

>>41158494
>>41158502
>>41158515
Hm, sounds good. I've read some of the texts and still don't quite understand how to practice them. Do I basically need to interpret my own reality as a dream?

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Perhaps killing the past is clearing the 'experiential debris' of our lives and becoming truly lucid of the dream.

>>41158565
i was thinking of that exactly, i guess am gonna read the 2 essentials then head to I am Totality

then i will figure out what to read next but yes all of the Q and A must be relavent, thank you, i still need to start practicing the commend sessions (i already meditate daily) so i can get into them easily whenever i get the whim to start the more practical side

>>41158586
>Do I basically need to interpret my own reality as a dream?
You actually need to accept that ASAP with no evidence if you are going to start with this. Like, right now you have to assert immediately that this is all a dream. Like a post in the past pointed out, is like putting on a game with an already set premise that you will partake in. After that, the materials on the OP are for inspirations and ideas to increase lucidity and further your perception towards this self realization. Is all about finding out about what always already has been.

>>41158599
Oh, so instead of a lucid dream, it's like a "lucid reality"? Sounds interesting, more than just LoA, I'll give it a try.

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>>41158594
Killing The Past may be an allegory of ending all illusions of continuity once and for all. Memories as anchors and ongoing triggers of the current experience cease to be practical at the light of the "ultimate truth" that ends time, and along with it, all notions of progress. Only endless exploration and changes in the self contained world is what remains.

>>41158494
Neville gets treated like a cult leader (more so in reddit than in here) even though he was not a cult leader, anyways, i still like Neville and i am interested in the U.L

>>41158613
Yeah, a common problem (or more like, a self perpetrated liability) by the LoA people is that they first need to cease coping and undertake mental gymnastics to even begin to fathom whatever Neville is talking about. Here you put your mental faculties over accepting that it's all a dream, and sort the logic of your experience under that context. In terms of Universal Line, this is what "Higher Order Cognition" comes down to essentially, putting the higher order over everything in the field of change.

>>41158632
And then I would get what I want, right?

>>41158631
TG and SM Author understood Neville because they applied Neville material in a pragmatical, mechanical manner, like grabbing a new tool. Some people really never start to grasp things like this until they abandon their personal sense of identity as victims. I mean, under this context, it's all on (You), but looked upon in a partial way, is a "lesson to learn" about the self perceived potential shortcomings of not trusting your judgement first before wishful thinking.

>>41158641
That's the exciting part. Will you?

>>41158632
>putting the higher order truth over everything in the field of change.*

>>41158653
Hmm... well, I do a lot of things in my day, from work to playing video games. I'm not sure how I'll apply this, but I'll try. There are many things I'd like to manifesting, especially to others, because I'm quite satisfied with the life I lead.

>>41155269
We're all larpers here because reality is a larp. You assert an state in the privacy of your mind, and just allow the universe to relocate you under that intent. That's it. No need to affirm, no need to cope, no need to strain yourself in any way; for fuck sake, just be.

>>41158691
That's pretty nice. Is actually quite ideal, just enjoying this as any other game, nothing special, just having fun.

>>41158646
many people are born cattle by nature, in need of a daddy or Jesus replacement figure

BTW, how many of you actually read the U.L cover to cover?

>>41158745
I did. And im reading it again. Gonna take a rest after this run tho.

>>41158745
I did many times many different versions

Isn't kinda ironic that in order to dream clearer, you need to be more "awake?

at which page is I am totality?

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Hohohoho what do we have here? More parallels with Universal Line. Forgetting, then remembering, then fulfilling into endless oblivion, then repeating.

>>41159728
He cites Alan Watts tho, it seems to be the very, most concrete premise of the origin of existence under any non dualist notion. Just endless cyclical reality.

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>What is Oneirosophy? By /u/cosmicprankster420
>Oneirosophy is an idea i have been playing around with which basically is a combination of dream yoga and gnosticism but without any tradition or dogma. In a way it can be thought of as the chaos magick equivalent of dream yoga or chaos yoga if you will in that it attempts to use lucid dreaming and or lucid waking to gain a deeper level of lucidity in this dream world. What separates Oneirosophy from tibetan dream yoga is that while dream yoga seeks the dissolving of the ego and entering nirvana, Oneirosophy is only about achieving and maintaining lucidity in this ideaverse and it is up to the practitioner to decide what he or she wants to do from there. It is open to practitioners of both left and right hand paths.
>Oneirosophy also has parallels to the Thelemic concept of true will, Oneirosophy is about being able to be lucid in this world to create a dream more tailored to your own unique will.
>Ultimately Oneirosophy has a lot of room to be explored, whatever it really means is still somewhat unknown, but through discussion it can be explored much deeper. Many people claim to be subjective idealists and feel that this world is a dream, but there are still many challenges and obstacles that bind us to the material world. Oneirosophy proposes discovering personal techniques to maintain a sense of lucidity as well as recognizing and overcoming obstacles that hinder our progress

>>41158344
Neutralfags vindicated...

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You know, remembering 25th ward, this suddenly makes more sense...

>>41159379
ok, i checked, it's not in the universal line link in the internet archive but it's on the Google drive link as a seperate link

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>>41151653
Does OP believe that World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King cinematics from Breaking Benjamin's music video are also real?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0GfewGYR3g&list=RDw0GfewGYR3g&start_radio=1

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>>41161834
Love Breaking Benjamin so much. Greatest music i ever listened. One of my personal inspirations:

>Leave it all behind
>Take away the dark inside
>And lead me to the light
>All will fade before your eyes
>As we turn the tide
>I will bring the dream to life
>Hold on, just hold on
>I will keep you here inside
>Hold on, just hold on
>I will keep you here inside
>Just close your eyes

https://youtu.be/Jc2v965VeQI

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TG insights on "the divine experience"

>>41157715
Anyone know what is the meaning or the method/procedure of the "overwriting yourself" part?

>>41162397
I'm studying it atm, but some of the main takeaways could be the following:
>Establish/Acknowledge yourself as consciousness
>In the passive approach, take 10 minutes off your day to lie down on a solid structure and just let the thoughts fly by, so you establish yourself as consciousness more clearly, and leave the target experience arise
>In the investigative approach, you change your modality of your overall examination of the experience in your world becoming inquisitive through the logic of navigating a dream, which allows "the answers" to manifestation and general lucidity to come by themselves, even engaging in inquiry over usual interactions in your day to day
>In Active-Assertive you simply go trough the motions with the absolute target in mind, asserting the desired outcome while ignoring the pre established structures of your current pattern

https://old.reddit.com/r/Oneirosophy/comments/2r39nc/overwriting_yourself/

>TG Compedium (v.1.2)
https://rentry.org/zwsw5cpk
Added more stuff. As always, with the editable: https://files.catbox.moe/zei4pf.txt

for UL readers, i recommend reading the past redditors like omegaaces, dreameraxelos, redrocklove and sillyladypickle

>>41165011
mossyeyes too

>>that guy that lived an entire lifetime inside a dream and woke up from a coma
>Tell me more, please. (For years my biggest wish is to suddenly wake up in hospital still being eight, and discover that all the shitty life I had since then was just a bad dream. )
For the anon who requested to see this post:
https://old.reddit.com/r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/30t9kd/repost_a_parallel_life_awoken_by_a_lamp/

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Does paolucci's system also embrace notions such as E.I.Y.P.O or that every single thing in your private dream reflects what is in your mind?

>>41165543
>EIYPO
>Blanket Metaphor
>"All alone, no one else besides me, all my private dream, what am i doing?"
Connect the dots.

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TG thoughts on autism

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>"Where do the ideas for fiction come from?"

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>Mirror-touch synesthesia

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>On Letting Go

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>>41151634
>>Carlos Castaneda
>https://archive.org/details/cc-all-books-in-one-20-texts-interim-version

Where do I find this "Castaneda Compendium – All Books, Notes & Periodicals.pdf" (or "Techno's Compendium")? I've looked on r/castaneda, but can't find it anywhere

>>41166493
Same, can't find it nowhere, not even on Techno archive.org account. Anyone?

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>"For a stable world you need a stable posture" -TG

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Oh, so this is where that came from.

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>>41165543
>>41165547

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>>41167815
The diagram.

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Interesting remarks about Robert Bruce's "Astral Dynamics", but also about general interpretation of abstract phenomena.

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>>41168228
TG thoughts on the matter.

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Okay /one/, I've been following this thread for a while, and I liked the idea of "seeing life as a dream." For reasons unrelated to this thread, I decided to use hallucinogenic mushrooms, and although I didn't experience any hallucinations due to the small dose (it just made my body more sensitive), I've been feeling more "awake" for the past three days. My days have been strange, I feel more emotionally sensitive, my house feels new even though I haven't left it in a few days... very weird.

I remembered this thread and wanted to share it. I feel a connection between my experience and the purpose of this thread.

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Neville lecture that I always found interesting.

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>>41170876
Another one.

randomly bumping

>>41151634
Am I the only person that exists in my reality then, everyone else is dreamt?

>>41172394
>Am I the only person that exists in my reality
>only person
>person
hmmmmmmmm...

Tfw turned into a woman in my dream last night
Feels good man

>>41172394
The only existence is God

About how long can a person expect to get results out of UL? Is UL a good substitute for other practices, such as magick or goddard's techniques?

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>>41174279
Immediately.

>>41174279
you materialize things out of thin air, I did it countless times, nothing even comes close, it's on a whole new level.

>>41174409
what was it, and what does that look like?

>>41174757
Money, Drugs, Weapons, The Command sessions are the best, read The U.L

>>41170908
I did, when did you guys see

>>41174789
why didn't it appear out of thin air when I tried a command session? How long do you have to "keep pedaling" until the apparently infinite number of reasons a partial return was partial and non-instant go away?

>>41174409
>you materialize things out of thin air, I did it countless times, nothing even comes close, it's on a whole new level.

No way. Like snap your fingers, Harry Potter style magic i can have a fuckin 8 ball just fall in my lap? And this is achievable for everyone in a reasonable amount of time via UL? How much experience do you have with working with consciousness, astral, etc? I have manifested many things, but they always come into my life via a material mechanism (I recently had $25k fall into my lap, but I was desperate and it took a couple of months; it materialized via an admin error by my financial aid office).

>>41175369
>>41175778
Skill issue

>>41176950
Nope, I read UL countless of times, did countless sessions, never manifested shit. There is no skill, you're just LARPing

>>41174789
Right, and you're one in about 500 people from discord/reddit/4chan that studied UL and had instant and consistent results. I say bullshit

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>>41177555
>"Waaaaahhhh it didn't work for me because I skipped around the text and didn't fully grasp its concepts!! That means it doesn't work for ANYBODY!!!!!"

>>41177566
I read the whole PDFs, multiple versions, starting from YLOVEAK, financial gain pdf 1 and 2, I am Totality, and newer versions. i read it a total of 100+ times over a span of few years. I decently grasp the concepts, probably even better than you. So cope, still does not work

>>41177547
I pity you, it's all very simple, but you can't even do it, you don't even need to read the entire thing, it's easy beyond belief.
>>41177555
N.M.P, their limiting beliefs are their problem

>>41177572
Wait, let me get this straight. (You) have a "better understanding" than him on the subject, and yet he gets results while (You) don't? Care to explain that? How does that works?

>>41177555
I really never got your deal man. Are you a retard like schizo-man? How in the actual world all those people you mentioned were able to alter their lifes and yet when you can't, it's them that are wrong? Are you just insane? Maybe need to log off this site for a couple of months? Maybe you're slso "joking"? What's the deal? Explain your reasoning, son.

The Command sessions just fucking work

>>41177744

It's because "understanding" the subject isn't the goal, the goal is transferring your experience of consciousness from your individual person to the one all-person, and from there you can manifest results, and that doesn't necessitate a deep understanding of the material. At least that is my understanding of how this works from the material realm.

>>41177818
I mean, as the other anon pointed out somewhere, every story is entirely fictional, and success stories are all made up because you can't know them firsthand and even in the offshot you did, so what? You may excuse yourself with some cope anyways. You can only know about your experiences, and the material is just a set of metaphors that you integrate in your experience, this is the true essence of "magic". Anecdotal stuff may be entertaining and all, but they are never useful.

>>41177734
Maybe it's easy for you, but not for me apparently. I've spent over 1000 hours studying the materials seriously. Did at least 70 sessions from 2020 until now. Nothing came out, not even a partial return. You people who claim this shit is easy is like people who see telling blind people "how come you don't see that tree bruh, just stare harder"

>>41177770
Nice quads.

>>41177770
I am perfectly sane and rational, unlike many peope who lie and bullshit online, and I've met quite a few people who are dishonest until they have been exposed

>>41177879
You didn't answer the post above. We don't care your life, actually i think no one does because they essentially can't. Your whinning is useless, even for you. Just give up. Neville and John would tell you to drop your flags and gtfo if you just can't, but you keep poping out like that mother-faggot which life seems a mess and an example of the average crypto-new ager. If you can't then that's it, end of the show, why are you so mad about something that never existed? But if you still there, then get into problem solving mode and see what's up. Mechanically and, frankly, objectively speaking, nobody can help you. You're on your own.

>>41177888
Ok you did answer.
>I am perfectly sane and rational
Then why are you here? :/ Honest to god question. You already exposed us. Mission accomplished? Call pequod to pick you up? Or are you waiting for someone else?

Does anyone else find the little boy OCB thing to be disturbing? "Your little adorable sweetheart," and why tf does he have to be naked? Can't it be just some guy with similar characteristics and wearing normal clothes? Why not make OCB a 20-something trust fund kid who doesn't have a care in the world but is all-powerful and has your back? Instead, we go with a naked boy?

>>41177948
Just extract the idea. The deal with OCB can be interpreted as how guardians angels "could work". Don't get caught on aesthetics, the facts and their conclusion are the true meat of the matter.

>>41177911
I wouldn't be mad if people explained in greater detail why they are successful so maybe I can apply that stuff, like that other guy who claimed to read Crest of Jewel to better understand this rather than just studying UL over and over. But they come here, tell this shit is easy (when it's not, 1 in 1000 result does not count) and never post any hints just "muh study bruh" like people haven't already studied UL before (not me, many people share the same criticism)

>>41177965
>I wouldn't be mad if people explained in greater detail why they are successful so maybe I can apply that stuff, like that other guy who claimed to read Crest of Jewel to better understand this
You want more success stories that will serve you nothing instead of stepping out and taking the problem by yourself. At least that what seems to be from my perspective. You will not find that, neither any more remedies here, we're all past that bs. Go to /LoA/ if you want remedies and the comfortable echo chamber of self pity that you are so accustomed to.
> just "muh study bruh"
But what if that's what actually worked for them? What will you do?

>>41177987
Based.
We need more hard truths,
It doesn’t have to be easy. You might have to put in some effort.
This is why the LoA general failed. False hope. Just believe bro stuff.

>>41177965
No, N*gger where's the proof of "(not me, many people share the same criticism)?"

>>41177987
You are not even addressing my points just going around in arguments. Studying is also a remedy? Sessions are remedies? Anything other than pure intent, without studying is a remedy so this place is /LOA/ according to your definition?

It worked for maybe one person out of all people that had experiences with UL, and that is if they haven't lied about it.

>>41178009
I've been in UL discord for years, trust me I know all these people who struggled

>>41178002
Not even effort, just being open to the truth. Jist simply take reality as it is and stop being so unreasonably mad all the time. Just at the nature of character, and lack of sense ("I know this isn't true but i will barge in anyways knowing damn well i will get my ass handed to me") you can see the kind of duality of their actions.

Cool thread.

>>41178017
Don't they just pay for J.P PDF books that could be found easily for free?
Or he gives them coaching there?

>>41178024
Right, it that were true I'd manifest 100 desires so far and be the king of the world by now if it was all that was needed. You people are coping so hard it's unreal, coming here to lie and polute this place but i'm the bad guy because i'm pointing out your bs?

>>41178013
>Studying is also a remedy? Sessions are remedies? Anything other than pure intent, without studying is a remedy so this place is /LOA/ according to your definition?

I don't know! I don't need to know. I don't need to overthink this. I don't need to worry. I'm just some random anon, why do i have to answer anything? What i do works for me and that's that. Again, you're own your own. And also, you're right, because even deniying things is an affirmation of sorts ( "Yes, I CAN'T). You could have failed for any reason i could imagine on the spot, and yet i don't care man. I just don't care.

>>41178045
If you didn't care you wouldn't come here and argue with me, you'd simply live your life from all the UL success you have, so another minute another cope dismantled

>>41178040
Alright, your dream your rules. You win. Simple as, isn't it?

>>41178040
>>41178045
You aren’t doing it right.
Stop failing.
You lack truth.

>>41178031
Discord was free, materials were free at that time, at some point even phone coaching was free

>>41178048
Yes. True. All true. I admit it. I'm just coping or whatever. Maybe coping is my method. Anything else to add, Obi wan?

>>41178056
What a generous man

https://youtube.com/shorts/CQ6tajZl8RE?si=Wk8uZtbIlpIdhk51

>>41178002
I'm not the anon you were responding to, but what does that effort look like though? from my pov it just looks like if a person doesn't "get it" they are told to just keep rereading v3 until it clicks and do your command sessions. Is that all there really is to it? Genuinely asking for clarification here

>>41178060
Yeah, i mean, i could imagine all sorts of reasons why he made the suscription thing, but, what if is a plan to get us to stop falling for gurus? Neville and Carlos sold books too, does that mean anything? TG was not even an author, and yet, people dimiss him, ironically, because he didn't sell you a book (How does this backward looney tune logic even works?). And yet, the ideas of all these people helped someone. Reading a book or a graffiti on the walls, this is a world of ideas. This world is devoid of any intrinsic meaning, so you give it some. Life was meant to be lived after all.

Yeah I hang out here. I'm a lot of things.

https://youtube.com/shorts/puUppvcENpU?si=v9D5OKqdLjs3jVri

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>>41178098
"Once you look at what you're actually doing: yes. At first though, we might think we are going through various steps, thinking things through, deciding what we want (as if we don't already know deep down), choosing something then letting go, letting it happen. The four steps I listed. But we only need to do that because we went off track at some point. In the end, what we're really aiming for is a state where we're balanced, and our desires and the world are aligned anyway. No resistance. If we hadn't "fallen" at some point during our lives - started pushing and pulling instead of flowing - we wouldn't feel the need to do magick in the first place. Our world would be us, effortlessly, whereas currently its movement is busy fighting through our defences. However, while we still feel we've got things to "work through", there will still be stuff to "be done"."
> - TriumphantGeorge

Such an amazing person.

>>41178013
>It worked for maybe one person

Yes, one person. THE ONE ALL PERSON X,DDDD

>>41177879
just get over your S.P or start learning to code, you seem like a perma NEET who wasted all his time reading and practicing metaphysical systems instead of just working on himself

>>41178173
>start learning to code
Good morning saaar

>>41178187
i know it's a meme but it's better than re reading the universal line a hundred times only to keep complaining about it not working for you

>>41178173
Nope, I just have over 15 symptoms and can't live a normal life, treatments irl didn't work

>>41178197
ever tried William Bengston's stuff
i heard it's the best stuff there for healing

>>41178200
I heard of it, but I don't believe in it + have aphantasia

>>41178207
odd of you that you donnot believe in energy healing but you kept digging in manifestation crap

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>>41178196
True. Just live man, live. Just simply be yourself, and keep moving forward. A bonus? Have fun, and enjoy the ride.

>"Enjoy every moment with all you got. The world ends with you. If you want to enjoy life, expand your world. You gotta push your horizons out as far as they'll go"

>>41178213
Visualizing 20 scenes in a short time makes zero sense that it'd work, and I did try remove healing sessions by some people, that didn't work either

>>41172875
>>41174083
What am I?

>>41178207

You have a defeatist complex. Full stop, that is the problem you are running into. I had it too, nothing in life with work until you get that fixed, especially metaphysics.

>>41178239
I don't have it at all, I'm always hopeful and open to things with no negative mindset when I'm trying something new. But you can't outpositive your way out incurable diseases

>>41178197
how old are you?
For how long have you been suffering?

>>41178253
28, since 2018 first symptoms started. Most of my symptoms appeared after getting covid in january 2021

>>41178258
Man, I have nothing to say, i hope you find peace and relief

>>41178258
One of the most prominents UL students cured his skin condition thanks to John. Anything else, wiseman?

>>41178268
And mind you, not to be rude, but to get you to understand the lesson. To sober you up from years on end on useless /LoA/ conditioning.

>>41178265
Thanks man, will always try new things
>>41178258
Yeah I know, good for him but it didn't get me better

>>41178274
I practised LoA for 1 year (2019), then UL later for 4 years, I don't think that's the issue

>>41178283
When we say that we can't help you, i mean it. Again, not to be rude, it's just the hard, cold, sobered up truth about the matter. Maybe that's what's wrong with LoA at the end of the day, people can only help themselves, and it doesn't matter what they tell themselves and others to turn a blind eye on that fact. It's what it is. I suggest you to just drop it, or as another poster on LoA said
>Do your own research, be yourself, and keep moving forward.
Maybe that's what you need. To push yourself to your limits. To realize that you are already at a point where there's nothing else to lose.

>>41178277
there's gotta be some crap out there that will work for you, my only advice is to let go of regret and past failed experiences, whenever you start a new book/technique/system/whatever you have to treat it as if its your first time attempting something to heal, this mindset is very important in this, let go of the mental blocks of the past failed attempts and experiences whenever you start something new, otherwise look for ways to work on your aphantasia so you can visualize yourself walking and running healthy or whatever scene implies health for you, I heard of Anons who improved their visualization skills by meditating on a certain mental image, be it a tree, a coin, an apple and so on, i do not know what is it like to have aphantasia, but there was a time when i started reading books and had big issues visualizing and imagining what is happening in the books, but i eventually got used to it, even if it took sometime.

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>>41178277
Here's some perspective from the legend himself. Maybe it's useful.

>>41178308
Yeah this is my exact mindset, I was able to heal my deliberating back pain after reading a book and applying it so I know how to tap into that mentality. But visualizing never worked for me, I visualized a lot but I didnt manifest anything. Maybe for some reason manifestation is blocked for me due to my health or whatever, I wasn't even able to manifest those fleeing thoughts people say they get, or writing random items in lists, like legit 0 manifestations since I found out about this stuff in 2018, If i get cured it'll likely be from trying physical things. I mean if even basic tests like seeing a red car, purple ball, something with zero resistance doesn't ever show up it's a deeper problem imo (this conclusion is after the failure, not before)

>>41178331
you might find some answers in this post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DrJoeDispenza/comments/1li7chi/i_am_furious_i_wasted_this_much_time/

it's about the importance of a calm nervous system in this shit, EFT and TRE come to my mind

>>41178380
This. Try to relax man, take it easy.

>>41178394
easier said than done, our muscles carry trauma and ordirnary tension too, but thankfully there are simple exercises to release tension from every part of our body

https://youtu.be/8nvrII5B35Q?si=KguLk2z11V900-3j

>>41178380
Yeah I tried that too, but as with TRE i cannot tremor more than 1-2 minutes without getting flareup symptoms for days, my nervous system is in overdrive. Maybe I'll get back to it once my capacity is higher

>>41178380
But this seems like a very helpful post and very relatable, I know one person who never got any results from manifesting, but after healing trauma from subliminals + LoA they were able to manifest smoothly (but subs give me insomnia so I quit them) i will however explore this post further, thank you

>>41178477
whatever you will do, make sure it covers the jaw, the hands, the forehead, as well as the left and right sides of the forehead, these parts of the body carry a lot of tension and people don't talk about that, so whatever routine you decide to start with, make sure it covers those parts

>>41178470
you just have to keep asking and looking around for exercises that 'll fit you to release tension from your muscles/body parts, you have the whole internet

>that feel when you dream up a realistic home layout despite never entering such an home in your whole life.

Like it's one thing when its nonsensical set pieces set in an house, its another when the house make actual sense with furnitures and all, placed logically.

>>41178470
I feel you man. Meditation and visualization with chronic pain is nigh impossible. All stemmed from colon issues and massive hypochondria. At the moment I'm trying to get my lucid dreaming skills back (I used to be able to years ago) to see if I can practice manifesting over in that realm.

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>>41151634
Bro, I can't understand a damn thing about this thread. No one explains anything, and many of the OP's sources are Reddit posts. Like, seriously?
>For beginners
The first link is a bunch of files whose format I don't even know or what they're for. What the hell is that?

Can someone ACTUALLY explain what this thread is about and provide sources that actually work? Thanks.