People say free will, but that doesn't make any sense. Most people don't want to fuck babies y'know? Our free will isn't hampered by not wanting / being tempted to fuck babies, right? So why would it mess with free will if we ALL innately had 0 desire to sin in any way, shape, or form in the same way we have no desire to fuck babies or chop off our own limbs with a rusty knife?
Mind rephrasing your question in a way that makes it seem you have a point?Maybe you should instead be asking yourself, why people use their God-given free will, to want those nasty things? Ever thought of that? Why dont you ask the evil doer why he chose that path?
>>41154792Because they were made to desire that, which is why I'm asking why didn't he make us with no desire to sin. The majority of baby fuckers didn't choose to be attracted to babies, they were either born that way or were abused and it messed their minds up. It is still a choice they make, but why must they be tempted? What is the point?
>>41154837>they were made to desire thatHow can you determine that? Honest question
>>41154762Inflammatory nigger psy op thread
>>41154762If you experience sin and feel its destruction you can have both free will and understanding of why you don’t want to exercise it on things like that. He’s showing us WHY we don’t want to sin, since we didn’t just trust his word in the first place. He’s made a creation in his image, having sentience and free will to inherit everything he’s made, but if we choose to destroy it through sin then why bother? He’s training us before he presents our real life.
>>41154886I don't know for certain, I just doubt most pedophiles decide to one day randomly become attracted to small children. It has to be something innate to them. >>41154956It is just something I have been thinking about for a couple of weeks.>>41154981This would make a little bit of sense if the threat of hell wasn't there.
>>41154762>>41154762>Why didn't God create us with no desire to commit sinGod created Adam and Eve without the desire for sin. It was only after eating the fruit of knowledge of good and evil when sin entered the world and Adam and Eve.>Our free will...It is hampered. Temptation affects every man. Sanctify yourself from the temptation and the need to sin will pass. Christ suffered and wept for our sins. Sin would mess with free will because it's how sin works. Nobody has innately 0 desire to sin because the whole world is in the hand of Satan, the enemy. With 0 desire to sin, one annuls Christ's sacrifice on the cross by considering oneself a sinless man. There is no way to have 0 desire to sin because we are sinful humans. Anyone who claims himself to not be a sinner is lying. One can be apart from the Christian faith, but one cannot make himself sinless because only Christ was a sinless man.The enemy is the Devil and he was a murderer from the beginning.
>>41155007Free will means just that. Freedom do decide. And there are others who have gone through such severe traumas as being victims of abuse but still decide not to become abusers themselvesThese useless arguments are always used by people who just want to shift blame. Lets blame God for our shitty decisions, no, lets blame the, socio economic factors, no uh, lets blame raceAt some point you just have to realize, hey, maybe im the only pne responsible for my decisionsYes, i get that you mean our environment and experiences does shape our behaviour. And its true. But only on a superficial level. We ought to dig deeper within ourselves and... ah, who cares. You do you
>>41154762God doesn't want robots as His companions, He wants those who have lived it and seen the tragedy and horror and suffering that come in His absence as His voluntary followers. He wants us to sit by His side in wisdom, not in mindless compliance. It's the same question almost as "why do good things happen to good people?" Because it's a cursed world. Even if you could take an 18 year old person in good health, a clear mind, and their whole lives in front of them, and you had the ability to shield them from anything bad happening to them whatsoever, and you can micromanage this at your will, they will still fall apart and suffer. What is temporal is a lie, the truth is eternal. God wants us to come to the realization that He is the only truth and to choose truth and life over sin and death. That is what is meant by us having free will.
>>41155897bad things*
>>41155007He’ll is for the people who choose to stay in sin and deny God until the very end. They choose to be seperate from goodness because they enjoy sin. So they will all be put together and seperated from all goodness and love.
>>41154762>Question for Abrahamics.Just be honest and say you want to ask Christians, coward. Like you really give a shit about Islam with its illiterate pedophile false prophet or the Talmud with all its filth. Faggot retards just have to try conflating Christianity with false religion because you're a faggot retard.
>>41155950Rabbinic Judaism isn't real Judaism, so I don't really give a fuck about the Talmud. Same way how I don't give a fuck about the hadiths or extrabiblical texts / Catholic doctrine.
>>41154762Think outside of the box of black and white. Everything they do is for the matrix and keeping it alive and keeping human beings ignorant but making things appear random/chaotic to keep people from questioning the reality. And it works. Billions of clueless retards walking the Earth right now with their own retarded ideas of things. That's how the fallen gods of this sim want it to be. To keep you from pursuing God and reconnecting with the Divine from a pathetic flesh bag that's made to die.It's more to do with keeping things appearing real and keeping humanity occupied and reproducing so they can continue to feed and live forever using our soul juices. If people were to find out that all they were was slaves being farmed by the most disgusting evil faggots of all time, they would stop breeding and commit suicide in droves. The only people left in the world would be subhuman Satanic mongrel retards.
>>41156293And the reason why human beings die is specifically because we were engineered to do so because imagine an immortal human in this world. With all of their memories and knowledge stored over thousands of years. Immortal human beings would eventually discover that they are being parasitized by monsters and they would become God emperors and instruct the rest of humanity to follow them like Babylon.
>>41156312Babylon was destroyed.. But the collective annihilation of our kind and being replaced with a new slave race would be better than being eternal slaves and passing it onto our descendants. It's a shame.It's also kind of pathetic and sad how retarded and helpless the average person actually is when it comes to this. They have no fucking clue. At all.
>>41154762Lol all the Christcope in this thread is defeated when you think of lust specifically. We 100% were created to desire sex, yet it's a sin outside of very specific circumstances in Christianity that are social not biological.
>>41156356The only reason why the law against sexual immorality was developed is because in pre-agriculture times, if your daughter got knocked up, that could have been a severe burden on the tribe or the family.Also they didn't want their potential mates to be hogged by Chads. And they especially didn't want Chad stealing their wife from them. This oftentimes led to violence and it still does to this day.I hope that helps you to understand why they develop these customs and religious spiritual laws because it was way different in their time.
>>41155897>Omnipotent being couldn't create interesting and unique companions without torturing them first.
>>41156356>>41156364Also. These tribes and peoples had to learn to sit in Congress with one another in order to come to a resolution to agree upon things with one another. And it is from there where these religious laws were developed actually. Not because of some lone schizo prophet. But because of real hardships that these people faced in those times.
>>41155837If an omnipotent being exists, it is by definition to blame for EVERYTHING.
>>41156364>Religion is a convenient method of social control and not a true reflection of metaphysical lawWe agree anon
>>41156389It is actually the earliest form of law that we still use to this day. Men were primal back then. They were wild. They had no law.If you were trying to develop a society, especially a tribal society, internal conflicts could be damning for the whole group. So in order to resolve the problem some wise men came together to discuss with the male members of the tribe or the nation about what should be done.Men sitting in congress inspires an ancestral memory in me. Unfortunately it was the only way out of the jungle. Especially in those times. But today everything has become absurd and no one cares anymore.So you can't deny that these people were right. They absolutely were. And their ancient wisdom is still relevant to this day.
>>41156400Anon as I said we don't disagree. Patriarchy works, but the idea of talking snakes in magic gardens is absurd.
>>41156408>talking snakes in magic gardens is absurd.I've actually been to other dimensions and I can confirm that there are talking fucking snakes. Not an insult to your intelligence. You're just ignorant of the spiritual things. On the other side, it is basically anything and everything that you could possibly imagine. With your mind right now, you can visualize anything and everything that you want. You can see it in your mind. That's what the spirit world is like.I hate to say this but you're wrong my friend. There's so much that is being hidden from us.
>>41156418I don't deny the existence of the unseen world btw, but as we are discussing the idea of sin is a social idea, not a true metaphysical law. None actually goes to hell for having sex out of wedlock.
>>41155837>blaming god is wrongshuggy doggy
>>41154762Because you would never verify if you had free will, if you were never tempted to do something to prove it. This varies in scale for each individual some need a minor sin to prove it to themselves sometimes as simple as a lie, some need more like jumping out of a plane or extreme sports(yes these acts are technically sinful, you are risking death soley for pleasure not purpose) and sadly some have to be vile to understand and they rape and kill. There is a reason EVERYONE is sinner, at some point, you WILL sin. This teaches you that you do, in fact, have the ability to do what you wish at the discretion of no one else, not even God(at least while on earth). Free will is proof of God. If we were truly automatons with the only perogative is reproduction and continuing life, we wouldn't be in a system so painfully absurd and contradictory to that goal at all times.
>>41156426Bro you're not going to hell for being a real man. Ass and titties are delicious. And I curse the Jews that sent gullible idiots down the purity spiral towards impotence and withdrawing from sexual competition. It made it easier for the men to build their harems by convincing you all that it was impure to lust after women when you're literally biologically wired to do that. It reduced sexual competition and made it easier for them.Religion is the earliest form of mind control. The Romans did it too. And so did the Greeks, the Egyptians and pretty much every major empire. Because they all figured out that peasants were gullible retards and would believe in anything if you could put on a show for them.Reminds me of Hollywood. Don't you agree?Explains why everything in this world now is fake and gay. These lunatics look at your daughters like a bread basket or a catalog to sort through and it's become way easier for them with social media and surveillance.They can spy on your daughters and learn her interests and everything about her to increase their success rate. I shit you not. They are pure evil.Kings on Earth. Meatballs in hell. Cowardly scumbags they are.
>>41156426>>41156456They also utilize peer pressure. Like they do today with political and social issues..OHHH HOW DARE YOU SPEAK AGAINST PROPHET/GOD/DEITY/KING/EMPEROR! PUT HIM TO DEATH. NOW!Next thing you know the whole crowd gets together to stone and actual prophet of the real God to death from trying to deprogram people from these psychotic lunatics nonsense.
>>41156456Dont force your worldview upon me
>>41156426I'm sorry for triple posting.But I forgot to mention. A lot of so called prophets and teachers were really just state actors. Kind of like modern day crisis actors and so on.They were propped up artificially like most social media influencers are today. It's the same shit just a different age. We are still ruled by the same lying cowardly evil pervy pieces of shit that we were thousands of years ago.Mind blowing right?So that's what it's all about. Fuck these fucking faggots and their gay lore and rules. You do you man. Enjoy life and don't invest in their false promises and lies.
>>41156356You don't see deer putting on ball bags. Unless you're a furry artist. Or animal abuser.
>>41156491You have a choice here. No one is forcing anything. I'm just telling you the truth. Wtf lol. What r u on about?
>>41156356gags*
>>41156456>Religion is the earliest form of mind control.100% agree anon, the idea of sin and hell is at the top of the list. That's why the elites aren't afraid of divine punishment as they made it up, a long with their Jew God.
>>41156499They don't have opposable thumbs idiot. But seriously according to the Bible a couple of teenagers doing the deed are going to hell if they don't a legal contract first.
>>41156507Yes and they use it to abuse and torment peasants, sexually deprive them, degrade them, weaken them, and enable passive takeover and social control and dominance. That's all it was about. It was an ancient psyop. Just like Mohammed. A warlord. How did he convince people to join him? By appealing to their common desires, lacing it in his teachings and telling them they'd burn in hell if they didn't. And that there is a reward waiting for them in Heaven after they get turned into worm food. Still works to this day. Have Jihadi retards that fell for the psyops blowing themselves up and what not.Same shit, different age. Fuck this world and fuck these evil, greedy, power hungry people that would banish you to be tortured forever for not conforming to their gay ass hivemind. LOL
>>41156523If anyone's going to burn in hell, it's going to be the people that created this system to begin with. They literally turned the world into a fake and gay slave planet shithole.
Cause he wants u to fail him so he can punish u in bloody hell for all eternity he diesnt actually want u to get to heaven
Because of a combination of outside factors like circumstances of their birth, the semi-randomly chosen genes from mother and father, intricacies of the psyche that is formed by all of the above factors, and all other people interacting with them - all of them lead to choices that are sinful or not.Some people get screwed by circumstances and choose virtue because they have not been screwed up by said circumstances enough. Some people choose sin because it was entirely too much for them specifically.Yet people persist with "free will" as if it's entirely acausal, as if we ourselves have some sort of divine immesurable spark that effectively randomly leads us to virtue or sin, something for which SOMEHOW we have control over and suffer the consequences for. It's a paradox. It's adding unnecessary immesurable complexity, and intent where there is none to be found.Forgive me for beating a dead horse, but if quantum mechanical interactions do have some hidden variable, then we are as I wrote above - a series of dominoes waiting to be toppled. If there is no hidden variables and there is true randomness - it is still not an indicator of free will, but of indeterminism, that everything in some way is truly random. Free will that has very loose ties to causality has no place here.I don't want to believe in fatalism like this, I really don't. It's misery and I would never recommend it. All of who I was and what the universe was/is right now leads me to return to /x/ to maybe grasp something that is above it. But time and time again it's confirmed that this is a pastime which we have partaken since we learned how to think - make shit up where we don't have enough data. And maybe notice patterns in something that is essentially white noise.
>>41154762how have you concluded you were made only one way... when you were made to be able to adapt to anything.
>>41156552No. You're just a victim of an ancient mind control psyop, dude. None of that shit matters. You can still love God but have some fucking dignity, dude.You see a girl with a fat ass? It's not sinful to check her out or ask her number. It's not sinful to become intoxicated when it's your only escape from this fake and gay world they made just to contain you. You are ruled by evil reptilians and they don't want you to have success or happiness. So they invented this bullshit idea that if you don't fit in perfectly with their gay matrix, you'll go to hell!But you won't because you have the actual God on your side defending you from these usurper retards.You are free to forge your own destiny and live as a man ought to live. Free. Not in shackles or indebted to some invisible master. And if the creator wanted you to know the truth, you just would. Instead of being born into a foolish world filled with foolish things and having your masculinity denied you by your adherence to an outdated ancient form of mind control.You are a man and you shouldn't be held back by their threats of damnation or the promise of a reward. If you see something you want, get it. Gods not going to be angry with you.
>>41154762He did, that’s what Christ accomplished for us. He put to death the old man, Adam, on the cross and rose again as the new man, Christ.>Do you not know, brethren, that as many as were baptised also entered into Christ’s death? Therefore also are we raised like Him.etc. The gospel is the good news of a *new creation.*>Then how come we still suffer physically?That’s the catch: the foretaste is spiritual.
>>41154762>Why didn't God create us with no desire to commit sin?So I drifted away from the essence of the question a bit so I’ll try and narrow it down again. God *has* created us again with no desire for sin through the Holy Spirit which He poured out upon all flesh. >But I can still desire sin.Put off the old mind, Paul would say, and the old desire, and put on the new desire which is “in” Christ. Be mindful of the things you desire. The option is there to no longer be a slave to sin but a “slave to righteousness.” What humankind was once weak to do because of the flesh we are now more than capable of doing because of the Spirit of God. etc.
>>41154762>Why would it mess with free will if we anll innately had zero desire to sin in any way, shape, or form?This is what’s actually on offer because of the Gospel: the possibility to live free from the desire to sin because of the mind of Christ.
>>41156786Even saints sin.
>why didnt God create us incapable of choosing le bad thing
>another theological thread>on paranormal board
>>41154886This isn't even paranormal, cognitive neuroscience has kinda proven some degree of determinism when it comes to impulses. Read Damasio. His point is pretty concrete.
>>41154762If you want the knowledge of good and evil, you need to be capable of commiting evil.
>>41159757Go to bed Jordan.
>>41154762We are all parts of God creating existence, God is filtering Himself and creating Himself through us, it’s our duty to do this work with HimWell that’s one small aspect of it, the snake in the Garden of Eden is the illusion of separation from God. Thus before (or higher, for this is an archetypal story before and higher than time) we in spirit perceived all as one with God, then we perceived separation, and evil the shadow of good and good the shadow of evil was created in us through this perception - the splitting of ideas from One
>>41154792An all knowing all powerful diety and free will existing at the same time are mutually exclusive.
>>41154886Its crazy to me that you people have the gall to deny that desire is unchosen when the whole reason suffering in life exist is because we cant choose our desires>im hungry but i must lose weight? ill just switch my desire for food off, ez>i dont want to study but i must get good grades? ill just switch a memorizing homework desire on, ez>im horny and theres no bitches? ill just switch my lust off, ez>i dont want to get out of bed to go to work? ill just turn on the getting out of bed desire to the max>i have stage 10 brain cancer and will die within minutes but im too scared to die? ill just switch my desire to live off so i can leave this mortal realm peacefullyThe is apparently the world that abr*hamic retards live in, everyone just chooses to suffer for absolutely no reason. The very fact that humans dont exploit the ever loving fuck out of this magical feature is proof enough to anyone with atleast 5 healthy neurons (abr*hamic filth dont meet these minimum hardware requirements) that we werent given control over the desires we haveYou people are fucking morons to the utmost degree
>>41155007A lot of doctrine would make more sense without hell. With hell, it is but a silly and twisted game.
>>41154762We were supposed to be. And we were going to be able to painlessly procreate but the story goes mankind fucked itself up during the download process by eating the fruit of knowledge. My 2 cents is asking, since we were flawed, did God stop creating? Or does He continue to create and attempt to remake His image?
>>41155042>>41155042Nigga my name is not Adam, nor is it Eve. Why the fuck does anyone have to suffer because of a couple dumbasses thousands of years ago? You saying the power of some fruit exceeds the power of God? Why give the world to Satan just to expedite the process of rampant sin? For a being that created an entire term, sin, for slights against him, he seems to be pretty ok with it existing and corrupting what he loves.
>>41164118Trust me if you took your cheats off me I'd be alright with you
>>41164122Because you literally are Adam AND Eve
>>41154762OK! Understood.
>>41154762>read genesis
>>41154762Your expectations come from hell and lead to hell because you chose to reject God. God and reality do not work according to your terms. God still honors your choices. Your problem is not God, your problem is you. You do not really want the truth, you want plausible deniability. You have been doing this for so long you don't know how to stop.
>>41165299So God will torture me for all eternity instead of just destroying me? Why?
no the real question is why you keep deep diving down into the lower dimensions to commit sin and sufferingand every "death" you come back up to tell the others all the insane atrocities and absurdities you performed
