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>>41158316
Previous (?) thread >>41065071

hi, i hope everyone is doing ok. has anyone been able to get answers from God recently?

>>41158710
Yes and I am very happy and thank God for it

Faith in God is one thing, but I cannot begin to fathom the "faith" He must have in us to continue to let us roam free after everything we have done.

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So I have been deceived. Apparently Christians are supposed to follow the Law of Moses. But Google AI (which I don't trust) says otherwise.. hmm

christfags have their own containment general here yet choose to shit up everyone elses threads with their drivel. curious

I have no wifi at my home because I no longer know the password
Please pray for me

>>41160628
>>41160640
Both are going in directions I don't like

Is YHWH evil? So many people say He is the Demiurge but I've read the OT and NT (ESV) and God didn't seem that evil to me in the OT.

>>41162258
Don't believe in those things people say. YHWH is not evil, and He is not the Demiurge. Gnosticism is a false doctrine, and they worship Lucifer. They're not that different than freemasons.

>>41158316
Videos on Gnosis, its various types (SPG, UPG & VPG) and Gnosticism:

https://youtu.be/0F7knBtLsNs
https://youtu.be/260L-DEZVQ0
https://youtu.be/diHf_Tup6tE

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Anyone here done any work with Mediations on the Tarot? Any stories to tell? How has it helped you?

is astral projection safe for christians? it is allowed by God, right?? has anyone here had any experiences with that?

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>>41160838
Michael Martin is such a fascinating guy. I wish he would do a tour of his farm on youtube and vlog style videos.

>>41162275
>Don't believe in those things people say. YHWH is not evil, and He is not the Demiurge.
Nevertheless, you still need to get ready for the October 2 event.

Read this post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/1m0px7o/attention_at_least_one_rapture_has_already/

Alt URL (redirects to the post):

https://www.truth-now.org

>>41163256
I think I've seen you post about this before. I appreciate what you're doing, but, sorry, I'm not buying any of that. I do however think we should always be ready, we don't know when we're going to die, so we have to prepare every day.

>>41163256
>>41162275
Gnostic Christianity is one of it's earliest forms. Lucifer dose'nt exist and is an interpretation that came out of a mistranslation much later. As is the rapture, that is a much more.modwrn interpretation.
Im not sure why you would think your much more modern additions to the faith are correct and not fabrications to change the fate to your will, while accusing the gnostics of soing the same thing because their ancient interpretation of Christianity dose'nt match your modern one.
Yhwh being the demiurge makes much more sense than yhwh being Jesus. Also your modern idea of him is not the same idea that the early Christian would have had. YHWH has basically been turned into a loving god through 2000 years of being associated with Jesus. But the way Jesus acts and behaves and the way YHWH acts and behaves are very different.

funny you would post that picture op, a few days ago i cut that picture from the cover from my bible and burned it.

masonic garbage, be cursed in the name of the Lord.

>>41163660
It’s a drawing of Urizen (which is very much NOT God) from the romantic poet William Blake, kind of surprised that you wouldn’t know about him since he is literally studied in school

Are you American?

>>41163660
>that picture from the cover from my bible
What edition of the Bible has a Blake drawing on the cover? I find that crazy.

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>>41163849
>Urizen
Never heard of him. You are lying anyway, are you j*wish?

"The grand architect of the universe", yeah no. God didn't use masonic tools to create the Earth, nor does he hang around naked on the sun/saturn.

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>>41164068
You are really tempting me to be in danger of hellfire

Why are Americans like this?

>>41164164
>a luciferian depiction of the creator
>somehow is just a non-related fictional character from a harmless poem
>its appearance on a bible is purely a cohencidence
OK. You mad? Does my stupidity trigger you huh?

>>41164176
Urizen isn’t God, the entire point is that he’s an imposter

>>41163849
>he is literally studied in school
Which school?

>>41164224
In the uk at least he is GSCE (middle-school) level, pretty much every state school teaches him

>>41164315
Weird, my school never taught poetry for GCSEs.

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>>41164176
The ironic part is, he's half right. The Demiurge is what he would precive as "The Devil". I sue the quotes because his interpretation of what that is didn't come around until much later. The gnostics were the first Christains to basically tell people they worship a false god, which im sure is ironically what he would acuse modern gnsotics of.
First of all as stated before, lucifer is a later invention based on a mistranslation of a single passage. But let me draw the actual connections.
The beast is referred to as a great serphant, and beast, and ruler of this realm. Not modern hell, which is also a later invention, but of this realm. The rulers of the underworld are Hades and Thanatos who are tossed into the lake of fire, which isn't hell either, it represents annihilation.
The demiurge is depicted as what? A serpent with the head of a beast. He is the ruler and architect of the material realm. Ruler in Greek is what? Archon.
So the anthesisis to Christ is depicted as a a beast/serpent and Archon. Somehow you interpret that to be your ideal of Satan/The devil. Which also is a later invention. In the old testament Satan isn't a name, it's a noun. It means a user. And the snake in the garden is never associated with Satan, lucifer, the devil, that's all a later invention.
But the earliest Christians told you what the Beast was, explain Archons to you. And actually wrote this stuff in scripture. But they were killed and thier teachings burned and hidden, but the rulers of the material world, or as the Greek would call them, the Archons. These rulers then constructed the modern version of what you vall Christianity today. And somehow, you're the one who's not worshipping the false god.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/O1SrYiJMCyM

Hey guys. I don’t think this is the place, but I really would appreciate knowing other Christians can lend their support.

My life has fallen apart lately. I flew out to Asia to see GF, got dumped for another guy and my plans to visit Japan and other Asian countries were ruined.

I got back and my mom crashed out shortly after, stole a bunch of money and is very vocally antagonistic towards me over still having a relationship with my father. (She cheated, but keeps trying to spin it so she’s a victim and I’m a piece of shit for not seeing that) to a point where she literally harasses me

Then this week my 2 year old cat got a urinary tract blockage, after 3 catheters, a lot of money, multiple vet trips and a lot of stress he was blocking still and I had to say goodbye to my best buddy.

I really need prayers on my behalf. I don’t know if I’m cursed or facing the consequences of my own actions but I need healing and guidance. I need the Lord’s help now more than I ever have.

>>41165501
Prayer sent.
Hope things turn for the better soon.

>>41162258
>Is YHWH evil?
No, the "OT God" is Jesus
>>41163143
Meditations on the Tarot is the best non-academic introduction to Christian Esotericism/theosophy
>>41163239
Astral Projection is similar to lucid dreaming but they aren't the same, there's nothing sinful about it, don't worry about that
As for experiences, there is no religious significance to it, all you can do is play around, maybe have some sort of Carl Jung Red Book experience in it
>>41163250
Same
>>41163660
Try to be more well read and less judgemental
>>41165267
Reading this felt like a summary of opinions on Christianity you get from watching a lot of youtube videos
Revelation combines Satan with the Snake, all the mistranslation and interpretation talk is generic "Christianity bad and wrong" talk everybody loves to spout without any actual evidence, their books getting burned and their members killed depends on Christianity having created some sort of commie state no free thought allowed environment, something it couldn't have done in the 2nd century when it was persecuted by Rome
Archon is used by Paul to refer to Satan and the "rulers of this world" and Satan is the god of this world, but that's because he's speaking like how an ascetic who denies the world talks about the world, the negative image of the Demiruge and his association with the archons only began in the 2nd Century
>>41165332
Dutch, the best language

>>41162258
>Is YHWH evil?
Yahweh is the son of El Elyon (אֵל עֶלְיוֹן), or God Most High.

>>41166228
The early view (ancient Canaan/early Israel) was that Yahweh was a son of El Elyon, assigned to Israel. Deuteronomy 32:8-9 (Dead Sea Scrolls) supports the divine council and multiple gods. In later Judaism, Yahweh is seen as El Elyon, the one and only God.

The shift in Israelite religion from a henotheistic or polytheistic framework, where Yahweh was seen as a son of El Elyon (God Most High), to a strict monotheism where Yahweh and El Elyon were understood as the same being, is a complex theological and political evolution. A major turning point in this development is often associated with the religious reforms of King Josiah in the 7th century BCE.

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>>41166347
The standard narrative has holes
Biblical polytheism is a hypothesis created to explain the enigma of the Hebrew religion in Antiquity, why there is a religion that rejects what to everyone else around them is common, polytheism, they must have been polytheists originally, if they were the only polytheists surrounded by monotheists, we'd construct the opposite theory of them having been monotheists who later began to divide their God
The origin of YHVH is a mystery, the original God of the Jews having been El is pure speculation based on the name Israel, YHVH being a storm god is also speculation
They take all their material from the Bible itself, the JEPD theory is also shaky, the Samaritan Pentateuch often switches the names YHVH and Elohim with eachother, breaking the supposed division between the J and E sources, the Bible isn't people taking four sources and mixing them together, it's an oral tradition that was later written down, like the Vedas or the Illiad and Oddysey
El Elyon is mentioned like once by Moses in Deuteronomy, the whole theories about the divine council come from comparing the Bible to Mesopotamian religion, yet those same scholars claim the Bible is a post Exilic development, make up your mind! Same with Satan being influenced by Ahriman, but only rhe Christian Satan seems akin to him, 500 years after the exile
Elohim being plural also is claimed to show polytheism, but why didn't the monotheist hebrews edit the text? And why where they monotheist when they saw multiple gods in their book?
There's is one God in Three Persons, Father Son and Holy Spirit, who reveals himself to Mankind as his Word, this Word is the Name of God, YHVH, and in the Word, the Logoi, existed the Ideas before the beginning, the multiplicity of Ideas in the Logos is Elohim, and they reveals themselves in the world as the forms of everything, the divine council is the symbol of the Wisdom of God, where the Logoi exist in the Logos

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>>41167165
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing this. Is there any book about this that you guys can recommend? I'd love to read more about it.

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>>41167180
>Is there any book about this that you guys can recommend?
https://dn790000.ca.archive.org/0/items/TheGreatAngel/The%20Great%20Angel.pdf

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Thanks, anon. God bless you.

>>41167297
"But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.

If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.
But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad."


did Jesus imply here that atheists are basically satanists? I refer to the part where he says: "he who is not with me is against me", and atheist are clearly hostile with christianity

>>41166967
>the whole theories about the divine council come from comparing the Bible to Mesopotamian religion
psalm 82 talks about the divine council

>>41167553
Probably? Sorry, I'm not sure why you replied to me asking that.

>>41167572
Yeah the divine council is mentioned in the Bible but scholars interpret it according to Mesopotamian Bronze Age traditions

>>41167642
>scholars interpret it according to Mesopotamian Bronze Age traditions
could you elaborate on what that means?
have you heard of Dr. Michael Heiser? According to him the gods on Psalm 82 (and some other verses) are not humans, but divine beings
of course that doesn't mean we should worship them, God is still the most High, and these others are sons of the most High

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6EkE3cwA1E

>>41167689
Usually scholars interpret the divine council as a remnant of Israelite polytheism, and see similar examples in Mesopotamian religions of the Bronze Age (Sumerians, Akkadians) who have a divine council and a hierarchy of different deities and spirits, and I am against that interpretation
As for what the gods are in Psalms, they have to be immateriality spirits residing with God, which leaves two options, the first and easiest would be to see them as the angels, in the Book of Tobit Raphael says he is one of the seven who stand before Go, personally I see the gods as the forms or Ideas in the Mind of God however, as Angels are created beings and cannot reside with God in that way, the Ideas are in a sense uncreated and so are dignified enough to be considered divine and part of a "council" as they exist as part of God in his Mind
I see the Seven Archangels as Ideas as well, I can elaborate on that if you want

>>41167787
>Usually scholars interpret the divine council as a remnant of Israelite polytheism
ah yes of course, I have a Bible that states something like this on the footnote
>I see the Seven Archangels as Ideas as well, I can elaborate on that if you want
sure go ahead, I love this stuff

>>41167806
Often times the 7 Archangels are mentioned as mysterious beings set apart from the other angels, I spent years being fascinated with them, not I have a concrete opinion on them
First of all, Angels are not a type of spirit, Saint Augustine explains that being and Angel is a function, and that there are spiritual beings which function as Angels, the Pagan Iamblichus saw all celestial spirits as Angels as they act as intermediaries for the Good (God), and all the sub-lunar spirits as lower Daimons, and Origen of Alexandria also sees Humans as being Angels, this explains why in 2 Enoch for example, Enoch becomes an angel, he doesn't turn into a spirit, he as a human becomes a messenger for God, an Angel, anything that is an intermediary is a messenger, an Angel
Philo speaks of God, his Logos, and two aspects of the Logos, his Power and his Royalty, later he also mentions the Logos and his "six powers" (dynameis)
The Pagan Proclus wrote of the God, known as The One or The Good, and the Henads, the multiplicity of "Ones" they are the Pagan gods, there is an Apollonian Henad, a Heraic Henad, a Poseidonic Henad, etc...
Dionysius the Areopagite said that no, these Henads aren't gods, they're God's names, names like Being, Goodnes, Life, Power, Majesty, etc..., for Maximus the Confessor these are the Logoi who reside in the Logos, ultimately they're always the Ideas in the Mind of God
Berthold of Moosburg the Late Medieval German Dominican Theologian, wrote a commentary on Proclus' Elements of Theology, there he writes that from God emanate six "gods" (henads), Unlimited, Being, Life, Intellect, Soul, Body, God himself after emanating Unlimitedness being "Limited" (Influence from Ibn Gabirol, too long to discuss in this post)
I think those are the Archangels, these 6/7 Primordial "gods" act as intermediaries between God and the created world, as Angels

>>41167910
thank you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_CIVN0RXyU

>>41168032
No problem

>>41158316
Not usually in this thread but I don't think it's very appropriate to use William Blake's Imagery for this. Especially Urizen. Even when mentioning Jesus I'm sure any Christian would strongly disagree with his views. And had he started a Church it would have not been considered Christian anymore than the Mormons.
>>41165479
That's just Santeria bro.

>>41169452
It's cool art so it became the op image

>>41169452
So? It’s esotericism, it’s not something that is supposed to be agreeable to most people. William Blake is still very much Christian esotericism.

>>41169452
>Even when mentioning Jesus I'm sure any Christian would strongly disagree with his views.
"Any Christian" has no fucking idea what mysticism is about, and Blake is more than appropriate for this general.

Bump

>>41169452
>That's just Santeria bro.
Cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcfiStQ4Hgo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmEdLc2Zmkc

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUE6-Xz3Llk

https://spoiledmilks.wordpress.com/2016/08/05/review-supernatural/

https://spoiledmilks.wordpress.com/2016/01/21/review-the-unseen-realm/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxfjbiSs6eQ

Early Christians didn’t just see Jesus as “God’s son” in a general sense; they began identifying him directly with Yahweh, the visible and embodied Lord of the Hebrew scriptures. Margaret Barker’s work sheds light on how this fits within a much older cosmic framework. In this view, Jesus refers to “the Father” as someone distinct because he’s echoing the ancient distinction between El Elyon, the Most High God, and Yahweh, his Son. This also explains how New Testament writers can portray Jesus as both divine and subordinate to the Father. It isn’t a contradiction but a reflection of an older theological structure. Jesus is Yahweh, the embodied Son, not the Father himself. This perspective helps make sense of many seemingly paradoxical statements in the New Testament.

Before Josiah’s reforms in the late 7th century BCE, Israelite religion appears to have embraced a more tangible and hierarchical vision of the divine. Yahweh was often described in vivid, anthropomorphic terms, walking in the garden, seated on a throne, present in a real, embodied way. Sacred symbols like the Asherah pole and the cherubim atop the Ark pointed to a temple cosmology, one rooted in the idea of a divine council and a Father-God who begets sons and can manifest his presence on earth. Josiah’s Deuteronomistic reform marked a dramatic theological shift. It removed sacred images, collapsed the divine hierarchy, and redefined God as invisible, singular, and transcendent. What emerged was a conception of God that resembles the abstract, distant “One” of later Greek Neoplatonism more than the earlier, more personal El Elyon.

In the oldest layers of Hebrew tradition, such as Deuteronomy 32:8–9 in its Septuagint form, El Elyon, meaning “God Most High,” is depicted as the Father-God and head of a heavenly council who assigns nations to the care of his seventy sons. Within this framework, Yahweh is not El Elyon himself but one of his sons, specifically the deity chosen as Israel’s patron. This arrangement closely resembles other ancient Near Eastern pantheons, like El and his divine council in Ugaritic texts. Over time, as later redactors and theologians stressed strict monotheism, the distinction between Yahweh and El Elyon faded. They were merged into one, with Yahweh becoming the sole God, and the “sons of God” or bene elohim reinterpreted as angels rather than divine beings.

Biblical Unitarians generally emphasize the strict oneness of God, seeing Jesus as God’s exalted Messiah but not as God Himself in the same way the Father is. They tend to merge Yahweh with God the Father, viewing Yahweh as the singular God rather than a distinct figure in a divine hierarchy.

So the idea from Margaret Barker’s scholarship that El Elyon is a Father-God who begets Yahweh, the son, could pose a challenge or at least require some rethinking for Biblical Unitarians. If Yahweh is actually the Son figure and El Elyon is the Father, then the traditional Unitarian merging of Yahweh with the Father gets complicated.

https://www.rtmullins.com/podcast/episode/3dce3b95/ep-176-plotinus-on-god-and-the-world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOqoPla46Bo