So why do we worship Jesus and not father
>>41161855Jesus was God samefagging and for most people it's easier to imagine talking to Jesus than God who's so powerful seeing him kills you.
>>41161855aren't we supposed to do both , is just that they are also the same thing.
>>41161905what about the holly spirit , very underated
>>41161930I think it's just a way people use to understand how God can be everywhere at once, just pretend he's a ghost or whatever.
>>41161855I would say we're probably not supposed to worship him, we're supposed to love and be thankful to him. Because it was basically God leveling with us, showing sympathy, bridging the gap. He made us in his image, then he made himself in our image. Loved us in our ways, and experienced for himself how much shit sucks and how hard temptation to suck is. It was a really nice thing to do
>>41161855Because christians are heretics. So are jews though, they worship satanJesus appeared because he wanted Jews to stop worshipping Satan, he failed, so what the jews did is they made it so gentiles started worshipping Jesus instead of his father, this is the religion known as "Christianity".
>>41161855John 14:6Jesus answered, “I amthewayandthetruth andthelife.Noone comestotheFatherexcept through me.1 John 2:23No onewhodeniestheSonhastheFather;whoever acknowledgestheSonhastheFatheralso.
>>41161855Because it's a bastardization of Judaism that turns the Messiah from what he is supposed to be, a teacher of Torah for humanity, into a God that literally destroys the law of Judaism. Nowhere in the Tanakh does it say the Messiah will be akin to God, that alone should raise questions in anyone seriously considering Christianity as their religion
>>41161855>>41161923Yes, OP represents a misunderstanding. We are to worship all three at once, The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is God, fully God. The Son is Jesus, both fully God and fully Man. Then there's the Holy Spirit, who is spirit, but is also a "person" which I guess means humanoid. I ask for God to correct my understanding.
>>41161855“I and the Father are one”John 10:30“He who has seen me has seen the father”John 14:9“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one gets to the Father, except through me”John 14:6“Before Abraham was, I AM”John 8:58
Was it meant to be worship and not honor?
>>41162403You can only get honor for slaying demons
>>41161855True Christians do not worship Jesus. They follow in his footsteps and recognise that his death on Earth meant salvation for all of mankind. Physical Israel was replaced with the Spiritual Israel, the physical temple with the spiritual one (our bodies). The old laws were distilled into one thing. Love. Love for ourselves, love for our neighbour and most importantly, love for our God, Jehovah. But we must first love ourselves to do these things.
>>41162437>true ChristiansYou are a jehovas witness. You’re not even a heretical Christian, you’re just not a Christian at all. >heh, we’re the true Christians! We believe things nobody believed until the late 1800s! Every Christian before then, including the apostles of Christ? They were just stupid chuds who didn’t get it. >why yes, I did think the rapture would happen yesterday, why do you ask?
>>41162474I preach as Jesus did. I do not celebrate pagan holidays. I do not practice immorality. I enjoy working outdoors and with my hands. I pray to God every day. I try to be kind. That’s all I can do.
>>41162341I know the website title might be off-putting and unreliable but this guy has some good counter-arguments and I wanted to give credit. https://evidenceforchristianity.org/jesus-cannot-be-the-messiah-because-of-many-messianic-prophecies-he-did-not-fulfill/
>>41162492based
>>41161855You're not supposed to worship JesusJesus is the MessiahOnly peace can save us from eternal hellfire.If we cant have perfect peace withourselves we can bow our heads before the testament of the who one does.Like a king, Jesus can be responsible for us.A testament for our souls.God is the only God.
>>41162474He merely stated a name for GodReligion doesn't supercede the truthThat anon is right in his statement.
Peace is perfect faithIt saves us from hypocrisyIt's intelligence itself to execute God's willAs science and wisdom are discoveryLogic is a destinationWe culminate upon the values of life.And of death then is only the way of hell.There are two ultimate directions, heaven and hell.We will likely never enter heaven.The next life is a resurrection.One in which we will live on the new earthWith restored bodies.And the least will live for a thousand years.Those who walk with God will walk in eternal life.We have to exist between the boundary right and wrong.They're logic gates.All is spirit.That is mind.All sensory context is analyzed in mind.All contextual sense is conceptual.Hell is a proving ground to prove you're not God.Of the body, the life vessel is cut down.And of the mind, the spiritual body is given a fundamental consideration.There is no water in hell.No water, no plants, no food, no animals.Albeit death is burning alongside others.No one will supercede the reins of spirit from God.Do not fear man who can cut down the body but not the soul but fear God who can cut down both.The Lord is Lord of wisdom who by contention raises mens souls.The lesson becomes fundamental in that if you decide to keep digging your heels into the ground in arrogance then you continue to elicit pain and such still that if God ignores you or you won't repent then you will be stagnated in the spirit.Led away from the rest of your character choices.
>>41162492>i preach as Jesus did You preach lies, which Jesus did not do. >that’s all I can doYou can actually be doing more, such as not preaching lies and joining the church that our Lord and God Jesus Christ established in this world specifically to prevent people like you from spreading lies. You should try that instead.
>>41162661Hear the truth not liesWhat is the truth is trueI'm the one talking of my own accord not that anon
>>41161855Sinners saved by Grave are free to worship God in Trinity and in Unity, neither dividing the substance nor confusing the Persons.
>>41161855When you worship Jesus you worship the Father also
>>41164670thats confounding the Persons. Jesus is not the Father
>>41161855JESUS SAID TO WORSHIP GODDOES JESUS PRAY TO HIMSELFJESUS SAID BE ABIDED WITH THE FATHER AND IT WAS WITNESSED AS TRUTH BECAUSE THE FATHER PUT HIS WORDS IN JESUS MOUTHDOES JESUS SAY DO NOT CALL ME GOOD THAT ONLY THE FATHER IS GOODGOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED STOP PUTTING WORDS IN THE MOUTH OF THE ONE HE SENT
>>41164677I didn't say Jesus was the Father or "confound" anything. Jesus is the image of the Father. When you worship Jesus, you worship the Father also. The gospels are very clear about this. If you didn't understand it's because you don't want to
>>41164837where does it say this? it says that when you honor the Son you honor the Father than sent Him, but im not recalling where it says what you are on about.
>>41161855Because that is what Jordan Peterson did...and he ended up as a form of Judaism, not Christian.>>41162285Shut up you Jewish cock gobbling Satanist, stop worshipping Jews through your hatred of them you fucking Zog-Golem.You remind me that your God is imperfect and ignorant.
>>41162341>what he is supposed to be, a teacher of Torah for humanityMoses was a fucking heretic, Judaism is nothing but a list of failed prophets turning towards Satanism and Jesus was an attempt to break that cycle.Your old law was for Satan, if you worship the Holy Spirit you worship Satan...
>>41164837Jesus came from the father, as a son proceeds from his father, out of his father. That is the language Jesus used to describe himself.To worship him is to gaslight him, because all he ever asked was for all to recognize that he came from the Father and did the Will of his Father. Read the gospels.Is Antichrist the one who denies Jesus is God or the one who denies that Jesus was sent by God?
>>41164849Their unity is so clearly written that I'm actually confounded that you're unclear. Paul summed it up pretty nicely when he said everyone will bow and bend the knee (examples of worship) to Jesus Christ to the glory of God the Father.
>>41164868nobody denies that Jesus was sent by the Father. But, at the same time, its clear from several statements that the Son also chose to come too. This kind of thing touches on the mystery of the Trinity and the interpenetration of the Persons.
>>41164868Jesus didn't rebuke a single person who worshipped him during his ministry. You know better than Jesus on this matter?
>>41164881that still doesn't say that directing your praise to the Son is the same as directing your praise to the Father. Of course when we worship the Son we are glorifying the Father, because we are showing that we accept and respect the unity of their purpose in salvation etc. Now, if we say that we direct our worship to God (Yahwey) then we are truly worshiping the Trinity in Unity. It is perfectly good and right to do this, or to think of the Son, the Father or indeed the Holy Spirit as we consider their majesty and role in creation and salvation.
>>41164899They're a unity. >He was with God, and he was God>I am the image of the invisible God (the Father)Who are you worshipping when you worship the Father's image?If you worship an image of me who are you worshipping?
>>41164929In this case you are worshiping the Son since He is a distinct Person. He is not identical in Person to the Father. Notice what you did with that verse anon - when Jesus said 'invisible God' you had to insert 'Father', which is not there. God is Yahwey, a Triune Being of three coexistent Persons. I already said that when you worship God that you are worshiping Him in His Unity of those Persons. But, when you direct your praise to, say, the Son, that doesn't mean you are worshiping the other Persons, because they are distinct.
>>41161905And yet people went out of their way to venerate, worship, and prop up Mary instead.>>41161930Other examples to clear things up:>Mithras = Jesus = Amon, Sol = God = RaSomething like that.
>>41161855It didn't mean Jesus.It meant the follower.No follower knows, only the priest.
>>41164972Okay i don't think you're even arguing in good faith at this point. "The invisible God" was referring to the Father.
>>41165003>it meant the FatherIf you say so. i think it means Yahwey, the Triune God.i just found your initial statement too close to modalism, thats all.
>>41164989Not even Jesus knows
He asked God even to take the cup away from himIf it be the will of God but not his ownJesus is the highest example of manAlbeit completely subordinate and in the dark of his Father's plans.
Only the Almighty GodKnows the day of judgmentOnly he can exist in perfectionEveryone else has to mete out their soul
We are far from God and the closest we can get is through Jesus.
>>41164852I worship jews? I think it's the masons who do thatI think it's important to post these, so that when the time to act comes, people will know who the real enemy is
>>41167877>boy scouts>goy scouts
>>41161855We?Don't include me in your delusion.
>>41161923"AREN'T WE SUPPOSED TO" sums up you dumbfucks' entire mentality
>>41168481We aren't it is clearly stated
>>41167811He was God but also the Prince, so when jews killed GOD the prince became the King.Make sense now OP?
>>41170835Jesus is the incarnation in the flesh>I and the father are oneHe also talks about the need to be crucified so he can send the helper, The Holy Spirit. Which is a REAL THING you can commune with. It will acknowledge Christ and the Resurrection.The Holy Spirit you can actually feel, like light around your body. Father and Son are in heaven and are untouchable, blasphemy against them will be forgiven too.If some guy comes up "glowing" and you know it is light but call it a demon anyway then you are 110% fucked and there is ZERO hope for you.
>>41161855Why don't you stop making everything on this board about your mainstream normie religion? You don't belong here.
>>41170887>mainstream normie religion>the more contrary my beliefs are the more right i am.lol. lmao even.
>>41164987Amon is a demon.
>>41161855>weyou worship Jesus instead of God? that's on youJesus is our elder brother who knows the path to God and who showed it to us to follow, and that's what is called Christianity. it's not going to a church or anything like that. it is following Christ's teachings to become one with God just like Jesus did, with a pure heart and a pure mind.
>>41161855“That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.” (John 5:23)
>>41170887Why don't you realize this is someone shedding their mainstream normie religion? They're starting to realize God is not what Christians teach and they need encouragement or discussion to keep learning. You literally can't comprehend this simple one line/image post.
you are doing major damage to your ''soul'' and ''existence'' on this earth if you fall to these false religions. It just a mind control operation by the evil masses to keep you on this earth. I wish people would understand me but it feels like I am yelling in to the void.
