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I can't speak for anyone but myself because i haven't seen Christians shitting on gnostics but gnostics
1) Deny God's Omniscience which is blasphemy
2) Attribute the creation of things to spirits other than God which is heresy
3) Call the Old Testatment God the Father Satan which are fighting words.

>>41167821
Yeah sorry anon, you don't understand the belief system. I'm not blaming you, but you're understanding is just completely wrong.

>>41167855
Ok, educate me.
I was told
>Source poops out Sophia
>Sophia poops out Demiurge
>Demiurge makes earth

Yahweh in the OT behaves exactly like Jesus in the NT.

>>41167983
>I'm just going to post something that isn't true because I'm on /x/ and everyone here is insane

>>41167999
He does though.

>>41167759
Bait thread based on a false narrative, but I'll bite.

The problem is not particular of gnosticism, it's all about who the real Jesus is. The gnostic Jesus, the mudslime Jesus, the streetshitter Jesus, the mormon Jesus, the sodomite Jesus, the dirty hippie commie Jesus and any other Jesus whose identity doesn't originate exclusively from the bible, is a false Jesus, and you are preaching a false gospel that sends people to hell.

“As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:9)

>>41168037
Jesus never said that, nor did he preach about Hell, nor did he preach out of fear.

Good people aren't going to hell anon, stop being a dogmatic retard.

>>41168037
>Galatians 1:9
One of Marcion's favourite verses IIRC

>>41168058
>Jesus never said that

Paul did, who Jesus himself authorized.

>nor did he preach about Hell, nor did he preach out of fear.

“And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.” (Luke 16:23-24)

“And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.” (Mark 9:47-48)

“The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” (Revelation of John 14:10-11)

>Good people aren't going to hell anon, stop being a dogmatic retard.

“¶ He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” (John 3:18)

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)

>>41168085
Non of those are direct quotes from Jesus.
Jesus praised the Good Samaritan and the Roman Centurion.
He praised acts of good.

Again, quoting later works and converting out of fear.

>>41168059
“But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.” (2 Corinthians 4:2)

>>41168107
Exactly what I was saying. False Jesus from non-scripture. Happens all the time.

>>41168085
Romans 2:6-11
"He will repay according to each one’s deeds: to those who *by patiently doing good* seek for glory and honor and immortality, *he will give eternal life*, while for those who are self-seeking and who obey not the truth but injustice, there will be wrath and fury. There will be affliction and distress for everyone who does evil, both the Jew first and the Greek, but glory and honor and peace for *everyone who does good*, both the Jew first and the Greek. For God shows no partiality."

In other news, the canon is a bit of a mess and the neognostic shouldn't consider it to be authoritative.

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>>41168122
The Christianity that survived and dominated isn't the most true or original Christianity, but the most memetically-potent Christianity, and eternal torment for people who simply fail to come to believe the right thing over a certain period of time is quite memetically-potent for people without the protection of an immunity dog.

>>41168107
>Jesus praised the Good Samaritan and the Roman Centurion.

Samaritan style good works (keeping the law) were required along with faith in Jesus for the kingdom of Heaven (physical kingdom promised to the jews) before the events of the cross. Afterwards only faith is required (but works will naturally follow if you're truly saved) for the kingdom of God (actual salvation of the soul).

Also the centurion wasn't about the "good" he may have done, but clearly about faith. A gentile (who would later be welcomed into the family of God collectively) put his trust in Jesus and is rewarded for that.

>He praised acts of good.

He also condemned acts of evil. Obvious thing to do.

>>41168037
The "gnostic Jesus" IS the real Jesus, genius

>>41167759
>Why do Christians hate Gnostics?
Because Gnostics are intelligent.

>>41168122
You know you're misinterpreting something when everywhere else in the NT Paul tells us the exact opposite of what you're implying here:

“Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.” (Romans 3:28)

>>41168085
>Paul did, who Jesus himself authorized.
Paul authorized himself, and convinced some of the apostles of his grift. Other apostles rejected him. Paul also had one of the apostles executed before his conversion.
The majority of the NT is Paul, and people fell for that. Paul was the pharisee, the jew expert that came along decades later to correct everyone with his teachings about trinitarianism.

>>41168265
Or you're misinterpreting something, and what Paul means by "faith" is broader than you think, so that even people who don't know the specific details about Jesus can be said to have salvific faith, and having faith incorporates acting morally, while "deeds of the law" refers to specifically Jewish things like circumcision, observing dietary restrictions and holy days, animal sacrifices, and so on.

In fact, as said, the canon was a bit of a mess, and I believe Marcion was correct to notice that so many discrepancies were probably signs of tampering (or he had the original untampered versions and his opponents only accused him of edited them, if that's a viable option). Unfortunately the orthodox church didn't bother to preserve Marcion's canon even though his churches survived for centuries so there should've been enough copies lying around.

>>41168287
Bullshit.

“Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake.” (Acts 9:13-16)

“It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (Acts 15:25-26)

“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:15-16)

>>41168298
(Not to imply that I think Marcion was 100% correct, but I think the fact that Marcionism was a thing so early on and was as successful as it was should push our estimate of the original Christianity closer toward it, and a more Gnostic Christianity would be closer toward it.)

>>41167759
They literally dont give any reverance to Jesus at all. Hindus and Muslims and jews and Buddhists are equally damned. Retard faggot

>>41168015
>>41167983
That's sounds like a bad, retarded, fake and forced excuse for the retardation death cult "christians" have nowadays.
>"god is le bad but is le good because his will"
>"god is le relentless and le ravenous, he has never been love or forgiveness. le kill is good"
>"oh no Jesus is not love, is le ravenous, le smiting, le irated. please don't be a pedo, also stop trying to investigate these pedos because they're servants of god"

>>41168250
>because gnostics are bottom of the barrel heretics
Ftfy
>>41168298
>shilling for Marcion
Just burn in hell for denying faith. You are the problem Christ spoke of. You try to lure others into hell with you by casting doubt onto the scriptures. You are committing tremendous doctrinal error. Salvation is by grace through faith alone. The entire Bible Testifies of this

>>41168348
I have faith that I won't be roasted forever for committing the supposed crime of "tremendous doctrinal error" and neither will anyone else, and I believe this faith is far superior to any "faith" in a supposedly loving god who would do such a thing. How can you have faith (in the synonymous sense of trust) in a God who would condemn most of humanity to eternal torment whether they're morally good or not because they failed to believe the right thing? I wouldn't trust such a God at all because such a God would be immoral.

>>41168361
>I have faith that I won't be roasted forever for committing the supposed crime of "tremendous doctrinal error"
Different anon here.

You can get litetally 99.999999999% of bible wrong and still go to heaven if you put your trust in the real Jesus. Nobody has perfect doctrine, but if you die rejecting the only one that can deliver you from hellfire, it's over.

>>41168298
>In fact, as said, the canon was a bit of a mess, and I believe Marcion was correct to notice that so many discrepancies were probably signs of tampering (or he had the original untampered versions and his opponents only accused him of edited them, if that's a viable option)
Bullshit.

God promising to preserve his word:

“The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalms 12:6-7)

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Matthew 24:35)

Which He considers to be more important than his own name:

“I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.” (Psalms 138:2)

Which you cannot even take in vain without getting in trouble:

“Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.” (Exodus 20:7)

And what kind of God inspires something just to let it be lost to human corruption and error? That's not the almighty God of the Bible.

Also God's solemn warning against anybody messing with His book:

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Revelation of John 22:18-19)

“For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 1:21)

>>41167759
Because Christians side with Freemasons and Freemasons hate gnostics cause they keep noticing what Freemasons do

>>41167983
Nobody is stupid enough to believe your claim anon

>>41168445
Meds

>>41168461
I only speak the truth

>>41168443
Didn't I argue with you ages ago and you gave this response when I brought up how the Cain and Abel story was probably missing a part? I swear sometimse it feels like there are only ten people on this website.

>>41168468
Maybe you did, but it couldn't be ages ago as I only started hitting /x/ this very year.

>>41168478
one age is with me as a couple weeks, and a couple weeks as one age.

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Please know that I am very interested in Gnosticism and I have some questions for you.
>If we are stuck in matter, why doesn't the Pleroma seek to save us directly?
>And if Gnosticism is true, is it the only way that would allow us to escape matter, or are there other paths like Buddhism, Hinduism, the concept of nirvana or samsara?
For example, regarding mushrooms or LSD, if we assume that God/Satan or the Demiurge created matter.
>Why would they have left us certain hallucinogens or psychotropic drugs that seem to allow us to glimpse other realities?
>Consequently, what is the point of the pact with the devil made by certain Satanists or so-called Satanic elites, since, in any case, whether we serve Yahweh, Allah, or Brahman, we would ultimately be serving the same God, that is, the Demiurge?
>And how is it that the Demiurge had the ability to recover beings from antimatter to enclose them in matter?

Concretely, apart from humans, I find that nature remains beautiful. (I specifically said: apart from human creation.)
>Does this mean that Satan, or the Demiurge, as we like to call him, has some creative talent/power?

>>41167759
The truth is, no one knows about Gnosticism. Here in France, I spoke to my Catholic sister. She had never heard of it. She didn't even know what it was.

>>41168543
its because its the religeon of super high IQ schizos and the freemasonry

>>41168598
Freemasonry worships the Architect of the Universe, who corresponds to the Demiurge. In this case, to what extent can these people be considered Gnostics?

>>41167759
Well the premise is wrong. Plenty hate Jews and Muslims. The difference is Jews and Muslims still worship the God of Abraham (or their version of him). Gnosticism says that God was, depending on the version, stupid/blind/evil. Since Christians think that God is the heavenly Father is it any wonder why they don't take kindly to gnostics? Also based on the gospels alone Jesus does appear to uphold this God, quote Old Testament scripture, speak positively about Moses and the other prophets of this God, etc. The gnostic gospels give a different version but most scholars think these came later.

>>41167983
it's true. jesus constantly appeals to authority and basically wants you to submit to them.

>>41168647
/thread

>>41167759
>This causes them to go MAD.
Truth hurts.

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>>41168536
>nature remains beautiful
Beauty on the Earth is a reflection of the Pleroma. It is an imperfect reflection, but still something to be treasured. This world is an imperfect imitation but it still has plenty to be appreciated.

>Why doesn't the Pleroma seek to save us directly
The Pleroma has sent Christ and other figures as guides. Sophia, a member of the Pleroma, came back in person.
The Demiurge has an uneasy truce with the Pleroma, as if the Pleroma interviened, the Demiurge would "flood" (purge) the world of all life and refuse to let them reincarnate. Since so many are not ready to pass through the archons, this would effectively keep them forever in stasis.
It's also a doomsday event for him, because without active subjects his entire reality becomes meaningless, boring, and dull. It would drive him mad.

>Is it the only way that would allow us to escape
No. Many other religions have the same idea. You can feel it when you read into them. They understood, though you'd likely have to talk to a real high level monk about if the system actively works to keep them trapped. Also, you do not lose your sense of self upon return. The Pleroma is a collection of divine spirits, the Monad is the OG God inside it.

>How is it that the Demiurge had the ability to recover beings from anti-matter to enclose them in matter
If you mean divine sparks? He stole them from the Pleroma. I don't know how yet. It happened once, I believe because it was a surprise attack, but I do not believe it will be allowed to happen again.

>Why would they have left us certain hallucinogens or psychotropic drugs that seem to allow us to glimpse other realities?
I've never gone down the hallucinogenic rabithole. That's an interesting one. Obviously, please don't do anything dangerous to your physical health anon. Knowingly inflicting suffering on yourself corrupts you.

>>41168639
damn your right they are actually just agents of the demiurge at that point

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>>41168536
>>41168959
>Consequently, what is the point of the pact with the devil made by certain Satanists or so-called Satanic elites, since, in any case, whether we serve Yahweh, Allah, or Brahman, we would ultimately be serving the same God, that is, the Demiurge?
These people make a pact for power on Earth in return for NEVER going back. Not in ANY reincarnation. Knowing just how incredible the Pleroma is, that seems like a poor decision to me.

>Does this mean that Satan, or the Demiurge, as we like to call him, has some creative talent/power?
The key thing is realizing the Demiurge isn't some cartoonishly evil creature. He is flawed and human in many ways. If you read the Old Testament from this perspective, you can get a feeling for it.

Maybe he's actually an all powerful alien
Maybe he's in charge of an actual simulation
Or maybe he really is a godlike figure in the material realm

I don't know.
But the point still stands about breaking through.

>>41168348
Someone who wants people to burn in hell are the ones most likely to end up burning in hell. Repent. Your attitude of hatred will bring the fire of judgement upon you.

>>41168405
How do you know you are placing your trust in the "real Jesus"? How do you know you aren't wrong? What if the gnostic Jesus was the real Jesus, would you go to hellfire?

>>41168445
Exactly, discussions about Gnosticism brings out the shills like no tomorrow.

>>41168405
>ONLY HE CAN SAVE YOU, ACT NOW THIS IS A LIMITED TIME OFFER, DEDICATE YOURSELF TO HIM NOW NOW NOW
Yeshua would kick your stupid ass and the bible is a scam which insults his existence.

>>41168959
What triggered my spiritual awakening, at least on a domestic level, was LSD. Or, at least, it was both its cause and its instrument.
What amazes me is that if this world is a matrix, shaped in a certain way, I have trouble understanding how a particular molecule or even mushrooms, which I haven't testedcan possess such a spiritual capacity.
It's as if the Demiurge left us certain clues to preserve our free will. Despite doing everything to prevent us from awakening, through numerous subterfuges, he still leaves us some possibilities.

Thanks to LSD, I encountered the "cosmic Christ," a universal consciousness that goes beyond the framework of the historical Jesus. What I felt was a presence that predates matter, the Big Bang, a universal consciousness that transcends dimensions. An extremely powerful energy, which I would compare to a "diamond sun." It was impressive; I didn't expect it. I had never met, so to speak, "God" before that. When I met Christ, he spoke to me energetically; it wasn't with spoken language or even telepathy; it was even more than telepathy. So, that energy was as if I had always known it, even though it was the first time in this life, at least, that I was in contact with it. But it wasn't like a discovery; I would say more like a rediscovery, as if something deeper than me already knew what it was. 1/2

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>>41168959
I also had a bad trip where I felt like my MIND was being affected. At that time, I was already interested in gnosis, which helped me understand: I felt like I was being sucked into matter, and it was horrible. I then understood that this world could be a prison. These are direct experiences that I had, not just readings.

A few years ago, during another session, I was "shown" the Big Bang. At the time, I believed an external entity was showing it to me. Today, I realize that it was my own mind seeing things before the creation of this world. It was extraordinary: there was nothing, then suddenly, matter appeared.

I consider these molecules to be "spirits" or spiritual masters who initiate us, provided they are used for spiritual purposes and not recreationally. It is essential to have a good environment to avoid bad trips as much as possible, and to be accompanied by a sober and caring person, in a safe place. 2/2

>>41169158
In fact, I remember that I incarnated on Earth precisely to remind others that this world is a prison, that we must reconnect with our spirit and connect to this matrix. But today, when I see my life, the state I am in, not only do people not want to listen to me, they think I'm crazy, and what's more, in gnosis, we don't really proselytize, because not everyone has the same level of consciousness. So, we must not destroy people by telling them that the world is a prison, our body is a prison, that we must overcome our ego, that people don't understand that we are not this character that we embody in this life, people don't understand that. So, it's difficult to approach. I feel alone and I have the impression that even after my death, liberation will be complicated.

>>41169035
The bible is the only legitimate source for anything Jesus. Everything else is larp, coal and retard pagan cope.

>>41169165
Are you me

>>41167983
You know what?
This does make sense.

"Believe in me or burn" lines up with OT Yahweh.

>>41169165
Sounds like Gnosticism is just a prettier prison.

>>41167821
>3) Call the Old Testatment God the Father Satan which are fighting words.
Yahweh was a demon that people did moloch sacrifices to and was just one among a polytheistic pantheon of many gods (Elohim is plural).
His very origins denounce him being the One True God.

>>41169165
>I feel alone and I have the impression that even after my death, liberation will be complicated

What do you mean by this. Are you talking about liberation of the Earth? Or your own soul?

Reason I ask is because I was under the impression that starseeds who incarnate here are free to return to leave if they choose to after they die. Assuming they avoid getting trapped in the karmic loop (like avoiding kids or murder)

>>41169191
The bible only exists through the legitimacy of the Church, as the Church deems what is and is not canonical. If the Church itself is called into question, how can one rely solely on the text it produces?

>>41167759
The thign with them christians is that they are dumb, they are sheep, and sheep are dumb. That's wthy they are considered sheep. God has to hold their hands and guide them trough the land. God becomes a baby sitter, something like that But we? We know better than them. We don't want God to baby sit us. We want to be able to baby sit ourselves and be like God or even better. That's what we really want and aspire to be something. But the Demiurge being the control freak that He is doesn't allow us to be free and ascend the higher dimensions of existence. Instead He keeps us trapped here in this dense plane of existence where suffering reigns supreme. And He does that with fake promises of Heaven andorganized religions like the catholic church, gatekeeping us away from the true light. Making us slaves in this Earth. And making us love He who trapped us here in the first place. That's why I say christians are sheep and dumb and we are better than them. Better in the sense of what we think. We are not sheep. At least we don't want to be sheeps anymmore. We don't love or embrace our slavery like the christians do. They thank the Demiurge for trapping them and making them be weak and fucked up in the head because the demiurge fucks with their heads. He makes them feel bad for getting a hard on when they see a pretty girl. aha

>>41169659
Not quite. God Himself directs it's preservation through whatever means necessary, one being the church: >>41168443

>>41167983
Jesus has the name of Yahweh in the Old Testament, he is the Angel of the Lord in Exodus.
>Acts 7:30-34 NKJV
>30. “And when forty years had passed, an Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire in a bush, in the wilderness of Mount Sinai. 31. When Moses saw it, he marveled at the sight; and as he drew near to observe, the voice of the Lord came to him, 32. saying, ‘I am the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ And Moses trembled and dared not look. 33. ‘Then the LORD said to him, “Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground. 34. I have surely seen the oppression of My people who are in Egypt; I have heard their groaning and have come down to deliver them. And now come, I will send you to Egypt.” ’

>>41168085
Luke, Mark, and John were useful idiots. Judas is literally the only disciple who "gets it." The rest of them believe Jesus was sent by YHWH.

>>41169946
“¶ Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.” (Matthew 27:3-5)

If Jesus wasn't who He said and proved He was, He would not have been innocent.

If Gnosticism is true it either means the original God isn’t good for allowing this to happen and or the good God isn’t strong enough to stop what is happening here.

>>41169463
Dude's very much might makes right. He doesn't care that the "Old Testament" 'God' does atrocious things, in fact, he thinks it proves he's The Creator.

>>41167759
>muh sports ball team
Truth is the truth it doesn't need you
vouching for it

>>41170353
Even with so many people thinking The Creator would commit atrocities?

>>41170366
The earth is exactly how it is
Where would you make an end to correction?

Let the good stewards shed light and
bring the world into peace
If it be the will of the Lord, Almighty God.
Amen.

>>41170372
You know there's no need for any suffering, right?

>>41167759
I dont hate gnostics but >>41167821
Is basically the reason I tend to disagree with them especially since many of them follow the heresy that the God of the new testament is different that the God of the old which sounds nice because the old testament God is meaner until you realise that Jesus said more things about condemnation and eternal condemnation and gave more condemnation than the old testament alone and furthermore if the new God didnt want to be associated with the old God he would say "yo I'm not the evil guy I'm a new guy" or something but you just dont get that

>>41170381
Except that's still not The Creator and nothing can prove he is simply based on the fact that he already drowned the world in a worldwide flood.

>>41170378
Well yeah there is
Contention begets souls

>>41170381
gnostics are not christians, they just used the figure of christ to inflitrate and spread their ideas.

>>41170399
No, there isn't. Anytime you suffer, it's because it's someone's Astral self enacting their will upon you. And/or demons. There's no need for it and the fact that you think The Creator would act like that is beyond me.

>>41167883
>>Source poops out Sophia
>>Sophia poops out Demiurge
>>Demiurge makes earth
You're kinda right, but you're misunderstanding how gnostic cosmology works. Christian gnosticism is essentially panpsychism + God. Source is not a player on the field but rather the field itself, Sophia emerges from the source like a patch of flowers emerging from a field of grass, as such Sophia distinguishes itself from the source while still being a part of it. This line of thought continues with the demiurge coming into being followed by humanity, followed by whatever we end up creating. Each step takes us further from the original source but it's impossible to be totally disconnected from it which is why the demiurge is destined to fail.

>>41170411
Contention begets souls friend
Without it would be stagnation
Nature spins the dial so we can get to perfect peace
Albeit we need to contend to be animate

>>41170404
Gnostics are the true followers of Christ, the Catholic church is a Jewish tool to control the goym since the jews can't prozylatize and embrace foreigners as kin(which every other faith leaves room for).

>>41170526
Don't believe man, believe God.
Where the truth is find it well
And open your heart and mind to wisdom.

>>41170515
Not only are you wrong, but you're proving to be a Yes man.

>>41167759
>And the funniest thing, is it explains almost everything about the world.
This is the real reason, they're afraid of Gnostics being right.

>>41170569
Just think

>>41170585
Dude, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and it shows. I'm telling you nothing but truth, while others lie to you.

Thinking is the difference between
Life and death
And all schools of thought attributed to
them

>>41170591
Again, you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. You're dealing in cognitive dissonance. Where you don't want to blame anyone but yourself but you also blame The Creator. Get a hold of yourself.

>>41170385
>that's still not the creator
Yes it is
Why wouldnt it be

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>>41167759
Gnosticism is essentially taking Christ's name to stroke their own ego.

Where Christ teaches noone is worthy and how we are only justified through our Father's love, they teach how they worked for their own salvation/ascention through hard work and studies, making them so much better than everyone else.

Where Christ teaches discipline and self sacrifice, the gnostics use His name to justify their drug fueled gay orgies.

Where Christ teaches that He is the truth, the gnostics engage in theosophy declaring how there is truth in all religions, while also removing the OT due to its calls to discipline and order, picking and choosing the bits they like and discarding the rest.

>>41170600
What is your argument

>>41170609
Because we're talking about a Creator that's actually capable of teaching lessons without the violence.
>>41170615
My argument is, you don't understand The Creator in any intimate way.

>>41170619
That's an opinion not an argument

>>41170625
Arguments are opinions and opinion based.

We are meant to rise to stewardship to beget peace
There has to be something to do
Yeah its bad now but imagine what
providing the light of the gospel can do

>>41170629
Truth is not an opinion
Its self evident
Science and wisdom are discovery
We compound upon a central truth
In society and in all

>>41170632
You're of a false light. You think you can hide behind the Gospel as if that will make you right or garner you some points with "God."
>>41170638
>Truth is not an opinion
>Its self evident
You know those words should give you pause, because you Stan for a violent "God."
>Science and wisdom are discovery
>We compound upon a central truth
>In society and in all
You don't know anything. Watch this. How does one be righteous?
He's gonna say through the blood of Christ or some bullshit like that.

>>41170650
Don't believe man, believe the Lord, God,
friend.

>>41170660
You're bear false wisdom and try to pass it off as a gem. You say platitudes towards your "God" hoping just maybe he would give you a crumb.

>>41170619
>without violence
Every single conception of anything in history has been with violence
God is violent

>>41170705
YOUR "God" is violent.

>>41170709
Yeah he is he's scary
He is God of heaven and of hell.
Lord of All creation
Life and death are the metric of the soul
We are meant to live and to choose life
Death is a parameter whereby to guide to steer and to learn
Like the Assyrians in the Bible
God utilizes evil to shape the righteous
We have the ability to rise to the course
And bring the light of wisdom and with that peace
Love is a curse and a blessing
It's the only thing that escapes material loss.
All is spirit.
All is conceptual at the primordial basis.
Sensory context helps flesh out understanding.
We have the stage equipment and the play.


In the beginning God gave us a fundamental lesson in wisdom

To beget souls through understanding
That is to trust in the Lord in faith
And be of the resurrection and restored body on the new earth with new resources
Or beget the death of the soul which is masturbation.
The philosophers stone.
That is to try to become like a God in the flesh.
Albeit hell is a contention chamber
Where we learn we cant produce, only corrupt.
Tool use is corruption.
Where we take our tools we scatter the
amalgam of thought God gives in the
form of material justice and spiritual freedom.
Evil takes it's course through appetite.
And life through love that is freedom to
decide between matters compounding
between life and death.
God hates evil too. He just wants you to
decide through freewill to honestly beget
a soul through wisdom.
He didn't make us to die he made us to live.
Albeit we are subject to both.
God has stated that he will forgive even
the farthest flung souls.

>>41170774
No matter how many platitudes you spit to your "God," you moron, it won't make him The Creator. There is no Christian or Islamic Hell, bud.

>>41170783
Then I said: "What is the purpose of this blessed land, which is
completely full of trees, and of this accursed valley in the middle of them?"
27.2 Then Raphael, one of the Holy Angels who was with me, answered
me, and said to me: "This accursed valley, is for those who are cursed for
ever. Here will be gathered together all who speak with their mouths
against the Lord - words that are not fitting, and say hard things about His
Glory. Here they will gather them together, and here will be their place of
judgment.
27.3 And in the last days there will be the spectacle of the righteous
judgment upon them, in front of the righteous, forever. For here, the
merciful will bless the Lord of Glory the Eternal King.
27.4 And in the days of the judgment on them they will bless Him, on
account of his mercy, according as He has assigned to them their lot."
27.5 Then I myself blessed the Lord of Glory, I addressed Him, and I
remembered His majesty, as was fitting

>>41170783
The only way to die is to be stagnated into oblivion
Led as far away as it takes from the rest of our character choices
With hell
The ability to not die confirmed by death burning in torment too
It's a hardcore lesson in understanding
All is spirit
We beget understanding between the parameters he set before us
He fleshed them out of two prime concepts: humility and pride.
Judgment is a deduction

We aren't perfect so we cant judge perfectly
If we don't take peace for our Messiah then we are a hypocrite biting the hand that feeds us
Because we cant produce from the void
We have to go about in humility
Hell is a checkpoint to prove humanity has no hope in pride.
We cant lead our own soul so we couldn't save ourselves from stagnation and couldn't go ahead of God
And we cant produce atoms/ from the void.
Since the afterlife is a resurrection we have need of sustenance
There is no water in hell and nothing grows.
We eat bread and wisdom.

There is a fundamental dichotomy at the heart of all things
Pertaining to life and death and the nuance of information attributed to it
In this case we were built in the image of God
Our sensory organs context the world in understanding and our understanding of humility and pride fleshes out our soul vehicle.
All the sins pertain to pride but they are the most nuanced pride can be at a fundamental level.

A good and wise pertinent decision to
make is to refrain from the pitfalls of pride
at all costs. We are sinners. Everyone is
Retarded to some degree we cant trust
Ourselves or anyone else really
where we dig our heels into the ground with
material conjecture we pay for it, and who has
the wisdom for love? We have what we have
Of freewill but the gentle hand that guides us is also culling.
So staying away from pride is pertinent
We limit ourselves by comparing ourselves to others.
If we follow the most High and don't look
back we will struggle to maintain
elevation with others.

The lamb of peace is the Messiah because
peace is perfect faith in God. Whereby we cant
Judge so we have to let the Lord do it
Otherwise we profess a hypocrisy onto someone else.
Something we neglected and maybe are self righteous about.
To have faith in His messenger is understanding.
Peace is intelligence.

The truth is enough
Shed enough light and no one will fall into the pit.

>>41170871
You're saying a whole lot of nothing but think you're being profound, there is nothing to be learned from you by me, sorry.

>>41168037
>Mormon Jesus
>Hey siri, what am the "Skofeeld Bybul"?

>Why do Christians hate nihilists who consider literal fan fiction to be the "real" Gospel
GEE I DUNNO IT SURE IS A MYSTERY!

https://youtu.be/50LVOC7JrcY?si=r6lP1jLFLdCsjrYw
Adult Swim bump saying "Satan x2! Hail Satan or else you will die!"

>>41169513
Unfortunately, it's not that simple. Many souls, who incarnate in matter, end up falling into the veil of oblivion, and forget who they really are, and truly identify with their characters, even though they are not. In the end, there are people who come to save people, only to be trapped themselves. Yes, I'm talking more about my soul. I've heard about certain tests that we will have after death. The first test will be unconditional love. In that life, I was loved very little. A very complicated test for liberation.

>>41170709
ALL gods are violent and so is God
If you arent violent against evil you are that evil which you should be violent against

>>41171257
How is The Creator violent, bud?

>>41171281
God created love and gentleness. God is therefore loving and gentle. But God also created violence. Therefore, violence is part of his abilities, his credentials. A God without violence would have no power.

>>41171407
That doesn't mean he practices violence or evil. I agree, it's a creative potential, I don't agree that he practices such nastiness. You're trying to argue he does to support your Bible.

There is nothing not accounted for
Not one hair, penstroke, or blade of grass or star in heaven.

>>41171436
Here we go with this shit again. When you find out you're wrong, I don't want to hear this shit anymore.

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>>41167759

The Malazan world's The Crippled God is strong like YHWH, why don't you worship him instead?

Over here acting like The Creator is incompetent.

The One Above All created the Marvel Multiverse, why don't you worship him?

>>41171496
It doesn't confine reality
It confines superheroes within the
context of someone's imagination.

Science is the study of nature
Wisdom is a deduction of right and wrong.

Theories can be checked
Information can be contended by others

>>41171525
You really believe The Creator is so weak that he can't or wouldn't do what he obviously did with supposed "fiction."

>>41167821
>3) Call the Old Testatment God the Father Satan which are fighting words.

well they could be on to something


>If your offering is a goat, you are to present it before the Lord, lay your hand on its head and slaughter it in front of the tent of meeting. Then Aaron’s sons shall splash its blood against the sides of the altar. From what you offer you are to present this food offering to the Lord: the internal organs and all the fat that is connected to them, both kidneys with the fat on them near the loins, and the long lobe of the liver, which you will remove with the kidneys. The priest shall burn them on the altar as a food offering, a pleasing aroma. All the fat is the Lord’s.

Leviticus
3:12

https://biblehub.com/leviticus/3-12.htm

>>41167983
Yaweh


>At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him. But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said. So the Lord let him alone. (At that time she said “bridegroom of blood,” referring to circumcision.)

exodus 4:24


Jesus

>For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

Matthew 19:12

yeah that checks out

>>41167983
Jesus demands that the Chosen grab goyim babies and smash their heads against walls while taking their women! Yes, Jesus said that, right??

>>41171620
Yahweh: "No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall come into the assembly of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:1)

JC: For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can. (Matthew 19:12, more literal translation)

JC: *Proceeds to heal a bunch of lepers by going out of his way to touch them even though this should be sinful between Leviticus 5:3 and Leviticus 13*

>>41171647
God never demanded that they be killed like that specifically, and taking the women was not a commandment either but something they were allowed to do sometimes, and it wasn't gentiles in general but those whom God specifically targeted for extermination, yet Jesus said this of the wrath that He Himself would be unleashing upon the earth:

“For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” (Luke 21:22-24)

>>41171693
>Implying The Creator has to lead an assault on anyone

>>41171708
God is a just God, and when you keep ignoring His warnings (God giving people even whole generations to repent, as we read in Genesis 15:16) and refuse correction, at some point He has to step in, even if He doesn't want to:

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9)

“Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?” (Ezekiel 33:11)

>>41171760
You're an idiot. In the Book of Revelation, Jesus leads an assault on Satan and his forces. The Creator wouldn't have to do that. He could just snap them out of existence, there would be no need for any of the bullshit you believe in, which there is no need for it. Get real, dude.

>>41171771
Nowhere does it say He "has to", it's just that He chooses to do it that way. He kills people all the time without lifting a finger, but when he does it like this, it is for a purpose, which also conveys a specific message.

>>41171794
Yeah, no. The Creator doesn't do theatrics, you refuse to see The Truth because of sunk cost. You will never convince anyone with a relationship withe The Creator that he's actually evil. The Creator doesn't kill anyone, moron. That's other people and beings with their own agendas.

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you know honestly, after having seen countless apologetics for both gnosticism and orthodox christianity, i'm starting to think that this whole thing is a dry well. someone will post a bible verse saying God supports [A], and someone else will post another verse refuting it where God actually supports [B], and then people will argue over whether a work is canonical or not based on the opinions of some dudes who died several millenia ago. applying occam's razor, it seems like it's just an anthology of the theological views of a bunch of schizophrenic levantines + greeks, half of whom disagree with the other half (before you even get into later schisms), both usually having some kind of worldview so ghoulish that it makes one wonder if the antinatalists have a point.

that said there's probably some amount of truth to it, but there's so many volumes of contrafactual information that discerning fact from fiction is nigh impossible. if there's a way to know God, it's evidently not through the bible, and it's certainly not through these threads either. i no longer see the point in any of this, and short of direct experience of the sublime methinks there isn't a way to actualy know what God wants, if he exists at all.

>>41171771
Satan is a later invention. The book of revelation refers a beast and a seprhant who is ruler of this world.
The mortal realm is his. The beast and serphant is the demiurge, the serphant with the head of a loin. Jesus leads a rebellion against him to end the false world of illusion. The beast is Yaweh, and the Father the Bible refers to is the consciousness which all is brought forth. Jesus is the son of God but also God, because the monad is in all, including you. We are all devine sparks.
When Jesus says he's the son of God and also God, he's not talking about Yaweh/ the demiurge.
You would know this if you weren't missing over half your bible.

>>41171862
Do you think that would make me more susceptible to the idea? No. Just no. You obviously have no relationship with The Creator.

ITT: https://youtube.com/shorts/3ZtUD5s5uns?si=hmIYE1I4CIwVS92I

>>41171815
>The Creator doesn't do theatrics
Are you kidding me? Weren't the 10 plagues like the biggest play on record? Ever read the prophets like Ezekiel who literally performed before audiences at God's commandment? Pick up a bible once in a while you animal.

>>41171888
That's was literally not from The Creator, is what I've been trying to get through your thick skull this whole time. You think might makes right, just say that. You think he's "God" because he can do powerful things, things that The True Creator wouldn't do. You're presupposing bullshit because that is what Apologetics taught you to do.

>>41171907
Your creator comes straight out of your ass. I get the real Creator, the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, out of the bible.

>>41171933
When you find out you're wrong, don't say shit to me. Not a sorry. Not a "My nigga, John." None of that bullshit, because I'm pulling your throat straight out of your body. The Creator has literally spoken to me audibly and so has "YHWH" and "Jesus." They all sound different and I know the fucking difference, unlike you, who's never had an encounter with any of them.

>>41171907
>You think he's "God" because he can do powerful things,
I believe He's God because of my own salvation experience, fulfilled prophecy and the miracles I have witnessed myself.

>>41171884
The guy in the bathtub is God orchestrating the whole debate.

>>41171946
Why is he trying to convince you of anything? Who says The Creator has to convince anyone who he is?

>>41171933
I think it's insane that Christians act like joining their specific denomination is obvious, morally correct thing to do when they've never been agree among themselves who or what God is and what it takes to be saved. To an outside observer it's like you're all children insisting that your imaginary friend is totally real while the other kids' friends are fake and gay. If Christianity was the obvious truth, it would not have so many schisms and heresies and reformations. Sorry, not sorry.

>>41171947
Exactly.

>>41171960
>>41171947
That made me lol.

>>41171957
Judge God by His word miraculously preserved in the KJV, not by the doctrines and actions of self-professing christians who are prone to error and corruption.

If it contradicts the book, throw it away. That should be the standard.

>>41171978
>Yeah, you should totally make this book an idol, I'm sure my "God" would be okay with that

>>41171955
He already did. Now I trust Him blindly.

And He does that so you can put your trust in Him, be saved and avoid hellfire.

Not sure what you are on about, you are being mind controlled, all of you. Just take a step back and observe what you are seeing. I'm not against spirituality or having a soul, but the constant deception towards you makes me feel sad.

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>>41171978
>KJV

>>41171992
Of course you only believe because you presuppose the Christian or Islamic Hell exists. You're a yes man and you Stan for a being that thinks everyone should go to a special place full of fire and anguish and burning. He will send all the people you don't like there, then everything will be okay. Fucking retard.

>>41171987
Reverence towards his word is not idolatry, it's an entry level duty he expects from any believer. The Lord Jesus Christ Himself is called the Word of God, no less. His words are very, very precious to Him:

God promising to preserve his word:

“The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalms 12:6-7)

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Matthew 24:35)

Which He considers to be more important than his own name:

“I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.” (Psalms 138:2)

Which you cannot even take in vain without getting in trouble:

“Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.” (Exodus 20:7)

Also God's solemn warning against anybody messing with His book:

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Revelation of John 22:18-19)

“For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 1:21)

>>41172018
You're an idiot. You do realize that you're making excuses, right?

Why is there only one religion which ends in a golden age being so evil the creator destroys it? Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, they all have a happy golden age.

The real bar for wisdom is pain.
Naturally you have to have the moral proclivity for truth
So that met with contention you run in the right direction.
However nothing will be gained of pride.
Tool use is corruption
No one can shake the tree of wisdom.

What is really hard is to get you to see something fundamental enough

You can be outright wrong, embarrassingly so
But if you can't see it then what?
You cant keep casting light into a black hole.
It is nice to hope
I hope vehemently so for peace
We are imperfect by nature that is the wellspring of consciousness
Because we aren't perfect we consider
If we were we wouldn't have to

Whatever you have contention for in the Bible
At least try to see if there is any way to figure it out
If you deny it on an emotional basis what right do you have in truth?
It is freewill to decide upon yourselves
The world is destroyed through arrogance
And so there is a reason to try to summit stewardship through guidance -- that is truth.
Albeit people are left to their freewill.
I can't explain circumcision
I have no idea about that
But I'm not quelled by it
I'm curious to know the truth
The bible is a dense read there is a lot to contend
And the Lord is the Lord of Wisdom
Such that everything bar the ten commandments, the seven sins and the opposite are left to speculation on the part of truth and disorder.
Like when instructing the Israelites to kill and destroy, first God said not to kill.
Now then its a lesson in faith.
Like when the jews prodded Jesus about the adulterous woman in the chapter of John
They said in the law of Moses it says we should stone this woman
What do you say?
And Jesus replied let he who is without sin cast the first stone at her.
It isn't the law of Moses that's important it's the law of God.
The bible is full of the merits of wisdom to the effect of lives lived before.
It's instruction to see for the wise

You see the shit he has to say to convince himself of all this?

>>41172166
It's never going to be a pride competition

>>41172211
The fact that you have to try and show how humble you are, means it is, bud.

>>41172224
I love you friend

>why do Christian's hate gnostics
>attacks every Christian politely disagreeing in a non hateful manner
Gee I wonder

>>41167759
because gnosticism is retarded headcanon(aka a heresy), besides, it is obvious that the preferred retarded headcanon(aka heresy) by christians now a days is dispensationalism

>>41172825
>argue with every Christian trying to convince you that The Creator did evil things
I'll go to my grave arguing against that nonsense.

>>41168443
Alright, so the books people had 2000, 1900, 1800, 1700, 1600 years ago, were those properly preserved then? Christians as a whole largely believed in reincarnation until like 1500 years ago when the catholic church decided to ban the concept and destroy all the churches that didn't fall in line. My beliefs are in sync with those of Christ.

>>41172967
You didnt argue you attacked and called us dumb and mean names and stuff like thay
Not cool man

>>41173237
Oh, so when he does it, it's okay because he agrees with you. But I have to be the perfect example, huh?

>>41167759
Gnostic "ethics" leads to suicide, feminism, homosexuality and communism:
They hate life so the answer for pain is death (suicide).
They hate femininity because woman's womb create life so they want to "make women like men" (feminism).
They hate new life so sexual intercourse don't have to bring new life (homosexuality).
They hate matter so nobody should own proprieties (communism).
Everything of evil in todays society is tied to gnostic teaching that are been spread across the world by freemasonry.

>>41173306
Who's he? I'm not he

>>41173491
You have no idea what Christian gnosticism is. Groups that choose to worship Yahweh/Baal Hadad/Saturn are the enemy of Christian gnostics.
Jahbulon = Yah-Baal-On (Yahweh, Baal Hadad, Osiris) is the god of Freemasonry. A gnostic would abhor this being as Yaldabaoth.

CHRISTIANS ARE ALWAYS MAD

PRAISE KEK

>>41173518
There is no christian gnosticism, it's an oxymoron.
You hate the god that created the matter that is the first person of Christian Trinity.
You think that Jesus is Lucifer that is blasphemy.
All your religious view bring to an "ethics" tied to death because for you death is the liberation of the soul from the prison of the body.
You are evil
You worship evil
Your is the religion of evil

>>41173497
Is that you, B?

>>41167759
>Why do Christians hate Gnostics so much

Why does every single one of your threads start with a retarded straw man?

>>41173637
Not every form of Gnosticism thinks Jesus is Lucifer. Not every form of Gnosticism hates "The Demiurge."

>>41173637
>>41174143
No forms of Christian Gnosticism think Jesus is that.
You'd have to dig for some fringe, 10 man group that thinks that.
Litterally everyone thinks he was a guide to show us a path to reach the Pleroma.

Dogmatics are fucking RETARDS. Literally killing the West. They can forgive murders but condemn more sophisticated takes on their works because they don't even bother to understand it.

>>41174046
Because is the truth

>>41174162
First time dealing with religion?
Fret not, You will become a master sooner or later

>>41174143
Tho they really should, The Demiurge hates us an put us on this flesh prison to suffer for its amusement, no mental gymnastics can change that little fact

>>41170610
Another conflict in the Bible is the esoteric traditions of the Pharisees aka oral tradition of Moses, which is gnostic in the sense that it's hidden knowledge only accessed by a select few, while Jesus is very adamant that God does not hide the truth behind closed doors.

Christianity is very open about what it's about, gnosticism by it's very nature is antithetical to openness.

It's like using the foundation of Christianity not as your base for a great mansion but instead digging underneath it to make strange tunnels eroding the truth. It is a declaration of war in that aspect.

Taylor Swift's 22 might be about the Holy Spirit...

>>41174143
Jesus being Lucifer is orthodox, not Gnostic, despite persistent fanfiction to the contrary.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/1c0y07r/lucifer_satan_explained/
>From the early Christian era and even into the 20th century, though, “lucifer” was frequently used to describe Christ (as it is in the 2nd book of Peter) and hymns using the term were commonplace. They’re still sung at certain Latin liturgies today. In conclusion, although it’s become very mainstream, use of this word/name in reference to Satan is improper, not only because it refers to his former state of grace as if he remains there (while in Isaiah it’s used ironically), but because it is a description given to Christ in the NT, so using it with negative language or in a negative context blasphemes our Lord

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>>41174429
>muh hidden knowledge only accessed by a few
No.
It's knowledge that anyone can obtain if they have the desire to seek it. It isn't nearly as elitest as you claim. And the knowledge to escape is based on "you don't belong here". Wow, very elitist...

And guess what the reward is? You get to escape and go to the Pleroma if you figure it out. And just because you didn't look into it this life, doesn't mean you won't ever go. Everyone eventually gets it after enough cycles. That's fine.

Now look at Christianity.
"YOU GET ONE SHOT AND IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW OUR RELIGION YOU BURN IN HELL FOREVER"
What the actual fuck? Jesus never said this. He never said the words "eternal hellfire". I mean really...stop quoting other parts of the Bible for this shit. Just focus on his words. You guys have edited the bible and removed so much of it, and you have the audacity to claim that everyone goes to Eternal Hell despite many being excellent and amazing people?
What the fuck.

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I don't worry about it cause Hell isn't real. I can feel it in my gut.
Simple as.

>>41174636
They think because people depict it in other places, that justifies their belief in it here.

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>>41167821
Abrahamists are so buck broken and gaslighted by archons they cant even acknowledge Yahweh's actions/conduct in the old testament. They wont even consider it, because to do so would shake the foundations of their entire dogmatism

>>41168536
>>If we are stuck in matter, why doesn't the Pleroma seek to save us directly?
The Pleroma is not an Omniscient marvel character esque "God" as Gods in most religions. Its inconceivable to even Pneumatics, because once it has been "seen" you have already ascended. It may not have the capacity or perception to "save" humans directly. However, emanations from it such as Jesus and Sophia have and do try to save humans all the time by within (the archetypal feminine/anima and masculine/animus within your mind/soul and the metaphysical rebis connection) and without (Jesus physical presence in the world).

>Why would they have left us certain hallucinogens or psychotropic drugs that seem to allow us to glimpse other realities?
The psychic backlash of these substances oft leads to more confusion and illness than insight in hylics and many psychics. But, they didn't. Hallucinogens are explicitly illegal in the vast majority of countries. Archonic legality structures banned them for recreational use because they fear pneumatics using them in a responsible and controlled manner.

>Consequently, what is the point of the pact with the devil made by certain Satanists or so-called Satanic elites, since, in any case, whether we serve Yahweh, Allah, or Brahman, we would ultimately be serving the same God, that is, the Demiurge?

What is the "point" of any religion? Some are closer to the mark and others are further. Some take their anger at the Demiurge too far in the other direction and think becoming contrarian psychopaths will lead to gnosis. They are mistaken.

>>41168536
>And how is it that the Demiurge had the ability to recover beings from antimatter to enclose them in matter?
Despite his villainous state the Demiurge is composed of the same "Stuff" as human souls. He can interact and manipulate it, to a certain extent, because he is it, and part of it (And in the same way, Humans, to varying degrees could each by a tiny fraction of the demiurge = We are all our own prison guards. Being the prison guard, our keys to freedom lie within ourselves = gnosis). As our "souls" are just shards of the Pleroma, which is all, and being all, naturally, expands, we and other life (which have smaller pleroma shard "souls") can reproduce. But the Demiurge cannot destroy the "soul" of the pleroma, so he cant kill us = must reincarnate in new flesh bodies. He also cant destroy himself, so is stuck;.

>Does this mean that Satan, or the Demiurge, as we like to call him, has some creative talent/power?
Yes, despite his worldly status it is a being of incredible power and intellect. But the fleeting beauty of nature is just a reflection of the beauty of the Pleroma, given that all life is made of some particulate of the pleroma (Humans more so, and certain humans far more so). Even the landscape and geography probably has Pleroma "energy" in it

>>41175149
>>41168536
>If we are stuck in matter, why doesn't the Pleroma seek to save us directly?
>And if Gnosticism is true, is it the only way that would allow us to escape matter, or are there other paths like Buddhism, Hinduism, the concept of nirvana or samsara?
We choose to incarnate on Earth to understand Law. That's what it means to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. This is our punishment, but it is not done in anger or as a way to harm us. Incarnation is the simplest possible way to understand Law. It is a consequence of the metaphysical virginity of information. You cannot experience a story for the first time twice without dying, forgetting everything, and reincarnating as a fresh being. The Garden of Eden is a metaphor for physical incarnation. It is the Pleroma we have departed from.

If you don't have faith in God
You have to take faith in man
And look at the corruption
Where would it end?

>>41174024
No

>>41167759
Christian doctrine is entirely based on the idea that just opening the doors to everyone will eventually fix everything that unity under christ will bring lasting peace.
Gnosticism's foundation is the very failure of Christianity itself that Christian doctrine has completely failed to actually change any race subjected to it and rather than actually protecting the people has gladly walked hand in hand with the worst tyrants, most shameless jannisaries, and well looking up how much of a protected class the jews were under rome alone should give anyone with a good head on their shoulders a good idea what kind of scumbags Christianity actually protected.

Gnosticism is closer to the truth of this world than that whores church but Christianity is so obviously misguided that's a fairly low bar if you gave a 100 aliens a bible they might find commonalities in the old testament but most orthodox interpretations are so devoid of sense I doubt any species out there would produce an interpretation within a country mile of the mess the priests preach

Christianity is one of the greatest forces of evil to desecrate this world.

>>41171207
How hard it is to leave Earth greatly depends on each person. In the end we are our own prison wardens, our own graders, our own teachers. Some incarnate onto Earth just for the experience, some incarnate onto Earth to get straight As, some incarnate because they want to save someone else. While I agree love is one of the tests (and the main reason why souls come here, to learn to choose love even in the midst of widespread suffering and evil), it's actually a lot more simple to leave than you think. You just need to want to leave, with that want superseding any desire to stay. Also framing it as you being trapped only does you a disservice. What you believe in becomes true, after all, you are a creator. But if you believe instead you are free to leave at anytime and your free will is inviolable, than that is what is going to happen.

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>>41176343
Some sort of Astral Projection was sufficient...

>>41174636
“He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.” (Proverbs 28:26)

“¶ Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.” (Proverbs 3:5-6)

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there is no real stakes story.
there is no karmic loop or reincarnation.
there is no Hell.

It's not so serious.

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>>41176400
>>41176200

>>41176404
Is it... Thug Mansion?

A heathen will swallow a camel and
produce a gnat.
With all that he does.

Energy efficiency is the success of a lifeform.
Anything else is retarded. It's a bad trade.

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>>41170660
> I Corinthians 1:25:
> Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

> Proverbs 4:14:
> Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men.

Amen, my brother in Christ.

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>>41171207
The doctrine of the afterlife is demonic.

> Joshua 1:2:
> Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.

The dead are dead. we cease to exist dead people are not conscious whatsoever

There is no afterlife, apart from resurrection.
you are DEAD, death is the OPPOSITE of life.

The doctrine of an afterlife is a doctrine of demons.

It's purpose is to get you to deny the gospel, you can't believe Jesus died for your sins if you don't believe that death exists or that Jesus can die (same goes for the Trinity).

The rich man knows things. He has a reward, he has love for his brothers and wisdom.

See also, Ecclesiastes 9:4-10.

> Ecclesiastes 9:5:
> For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

>>41176520
Believe not the doctrine of man, only God.
The bible is a collection of events where
people made decisions and it also
houses the word of God.
We are not perfect not one single person on this planet can speak with perfect authority.
What we take our tools to we corrupt.
We can point to truth if it is of the Lord
But we cant stand in the way of it with our own doctrine
Not Joshua, Moses, or anyone.

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>>41171537
> Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
> Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
> What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
> And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

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Take the jonathan kleck pill bros, he decoded alot of these hidden evil spirits, the veil has been lifted and the Holy Spirit Given us by Jesus Christ enables one to see through these illusions
God made it known for our edification:

> 16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

We are all sinners. Repentance and accepting Jesus Christ as lord is your salvation. The path is right in front of you but you can't see it because your eyes are not open. Choose what you know in your heart is true.

The Spirit of Christ is with you and the full Armor of God is on you, fren. God bless and many blessings to you.

>>41176554
Bless you friend
Always

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>>41176324
> Matthew 10:28:
> And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

With blind people that act according to passion, God takes their passion and turns it into His Plan.

The evil that you had intended to do to me has been turned by God's power into good.

You can't be in rebellion of Logos and expect to win.

God is in Charge.

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>>41176559
May peace and joy be forever with you, my brother in Christ. God Bless you.

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>>41167759
not all gnostics believe in jesus, champ.
Jesus came about after gnosticism. I'd like to say Jesus could've been a real person trying to help others escape, but it's more likely just an ancient psyop to get you to believe escape will come if you wait and grab your ankles instead of actively trying to break free

>>41173637
Death is not the end in gnosticism. We keep coming back for a reason

>>41176935

How do you know he came after Gnosticism? And not believing in Jesus as a Gnostic is stupid.

>>41176966
Can't be certain. Historical records from that time period are notoriously unreliable. Believing in a story that hinges on our lives being up when we die feels pointless in respect to gnosticism. Taking away that story and keeping the man attributed to being the savior in that story, saying he's a pneumatic saving people and that's why they escape the reincarnation, it's believable, but there's no fucking way the creator of this world would let such a thing thrive as a belief if it were true. I have memory of my past incarnation, but no memory of being a Christian. It's not settled for me, but I find it hard to believe worshipping a man will be the key to breaking out, in any case.

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Because Abrahamics are demiurge worshipers

>>41168445
nigga freemasonry is diametrically opposed to christianity

>>41176989

Who said to worship him, just follow in his footsteps and keep him in mind. He even said not to worship him.

Regardless, I feel it will nigh impossible to bust out without outside intervention. They have us in a looping dreammatrix. How tf do you leave on your own accord?

>>41176966
>>41177144

>66
>44

Eff off with them evil dubs.

>>41177144
>How tf do you leave on your own accord?
If I knew that I'd be shouting it from the rooftops. Just trying thw astral projection and trying to commune with fragments of the pluroma left in nature to see if the nonhuman elements also trapped here have any ideas. Let me know if it works with your method, please. I'm certain I'll give it a try if more people come back

>>41176534
What was the deal with Lazarus then?

>>41176534

I kinda feel this is correct, but idk. Like since this is a dreammatrix, if we die we should either wake up or 'respawn'.

>>41169902

The Bible is Mandela Effected.

>>41167759
christians worship the demiurge as npcs

>>41177130
lol retarded poltard you realize both worship the demiurge? christians just dont that they do while freemasons do know

>>41167759
Most Christians read the bible and if any info deviates from its literal text, they call you a heretic and shut down.
Gnostics can recognise that deviating information doesn't necessarily conflict with the bible and pursue further comprehension.

Another way of looking at it, most Christians will tell you they're Godfearing.
Gnostics don't fear God. They love God and wanna know more.

>>41177380
Most modern Christians DO NOT have a gnostic mind. They don't seek truth in their lives and what they belive, they just go with the flow. Most people don't read at all after they leave school. They may have never end read the Bible, let alone any other foundational texts that shaped the modern western cannon. And if they have read the Bible, it's the only foundational text they've read.


When most people study the bible they never approach it from a critical lense. To them it is the word of God, and an account of God in the flesh by 3rd party sources. When they study it everyone they study it with belives this and everyone who helps them interpret the Bible believes this. And they all belive the modern mythology of Christianity the been invented and interpreted over the past 2000 years. So they have conformation bias, and they're in an echo chamber of people who agree with them.

Also fear of God is how you know somone worships an imperfect God. They worship the demiurge out of fear.

Yaldoboeth knows the gate, Yaldoboeth is the gate. Yaldoboeth knows where the Archons broke free of old, and where they will break through again. Yaldoboeth is the keeper of secrets, Yaldoboeth is enlightenment. Yiah yiah Yaldoboeth ftgahn!

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>>41178123

>>41168340
so, so christlike

>>41178510
Demiurge isn't real.
It's just not as serious as Christians and Gnostics make it all out to be.

Even the Eastern Religions are too serious.

I'm talking Minecraft level of playful joy here.
I'm talking waking up in the bed you set as spawn point levels of joy here.

>>41178811
you have never had a serious problem in your life and it shows

>minecraft

so you're probably a teenager

>>41177269
masons worship satan

>>41178959
Satan as in the accuser, or are we talking a literal Ahriman kind of entity.

>>41177229
Every time this niggerfaggot shows up the thread goes to shit btw, "Migga Biscuit" is not only a namefag but a glownigger derailer. Beware.

>>41178851
Are you saying that you like child cancer and intense suffering?

>>41178851
The level of resignation in your post is awe inspiring.

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>>41179104

Gnosticism is self-hating.

I think of it like Sithrak, the god who hates you unconditionally. He doesn't really, but he was really pissed off when he founded that religion, and now the self-hatred is ingrained in the religion itself.

I don't get it, yes the demiurge exists but God from the Bible and Source/Creator are one and the same, right? Why can't christianity and gnosticism be simultaneously true when they exist in the same universe

>>41167759
>why enemy
>groups
:S

>>41167759
I've gotten so close to becoming a gnostic Christian, but never fell through w/ it. I can't. Regular christianity was enough for me and I stopped doing that 15 yrs ago.

How could you become something in
regard to religion?
The bible houses the truth.
The truth is fundamental self evident
intelligent design.
What God says is true.
It's meant to be figured out.
The rest is an insight of wisdom of the
others lived.
The only course of action is to read the
Bible.

>>41167759
They were Christians once upon a time.
If a fish has legs, wings, breathes air and lacks gills or even a swim bladder, is it still a fish? No it is likely a bird now. The majority of modern Christians have little awareness of their faith, history, teachings, etc. It is quite embarrassing to watch them debase themselves, reacting like animals given stimulus.
Occasionally I meet a real Christian and can witness the divinity of his or her character despite not being a Christian myself. Quite charming.

>>41175059
I think Christianity gradually dismissed much of the old testament as being corrupted and impossible to trust completely in good faith. It is only there for context.

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>ctrl+f
>plato
>0 results
yeah guys you are serious scholars here

>>41181715
Nobody dismissing the OT (or anything in the 66 book canon for that matter) has any spiritual discernment whatsoever. These people are either retarded, backslidden to hell or literal devils with skin.