I've been hesitant to fully let go during deep meditation. Whether it's seated silent practice, or lying down in a sound bath or reiki session, both in person and listening to YouTube videos at home, the same thing happens:>feel very relaxed>in a dreamlike state>body starts to feel very heavy>but at the same time something else feels very light>floaty sense of expanding with no boundaries>see golden light without eyes and feel pleasant vibrations>heart chakra center exploding with energy, rapid heartbeat>feel very excited like something big is going to happen>then get nervous and open my eyes, aborting takeoff>againSo to help with facing this, I would like advice and firsthand experiences from those of who have crossed this threshold (Without any drugs/plant medicine catalysts). What has been helpful in my own reframing of the resistance is to recognize it as overwhelming excitement, rather than being afraid, because I think I know now that this process is nothing to fear, I want to let go and allow, but time and time again end up noping out instead of surrendering to the true self, so to speak..
>>41169209Meditation is demonic
>>41169213No, it feels the opposite. Cannabis and certain psychodelics on the other hand, maybe.
>>41169226shiva god of meditation loves mushrooms and cannabis
>>41169213Pardon the rhetorical question but if I may ask, why?
>>41169226Cannabis can help with relaxing and feeling heavy, but you need to remain clear minded and aware, "separating" consciousness from body.
>>41169229They may be powerful catalysts, but they can also create distortions. One thing I've noticed is that people who awaken on weed are kinda schizo (or very schizo) and for some reason, people who awaken on aya tend to cover themselves in tattoos afterwards, I wonder why.>>41169251I'm autistic, so it just makes me schizo. Been on the brink of ego death on it, but it wasn't a calm loving feeling like with relaxed meditation, but weather felt forced like something trying to pull be out or through.
>>41169248its not prayer to jesus
>>41169266Is prayer to Jesus the only way?
>>41169209you don't have any choice, either way. bt keep at it.nothing really bad can happen to you, and if it does, just let go.your ego will have a different perspective on this, but that is the point.
>>41169209https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUTF8n_WJkoIts a rather long video, but you may find it interesting/helpful in some capacity. He actually describes pretty much what you're describing here, especially the heart rate.
>>41169226Cannabis is fine if you aren't tokin every day. It makes meditation a little bit easier if I'm feeling anxious beforehand. But everyone is different. Jesus even drank but He limited Himself.
>>41169319You're starting to get it. You were lied to about space and Earth. They're Phoenician/Canaanites at the top and they hate Christ.
>>41169396for me it only amplifies anxietyprobably has a different effect on autistics
>>41169387adya is probably the only person I think I would more or less trust out of the entire spiritual world.
>>41169209Being absorbed into the light is just jhana. That territory has been thoroughly mapped out by the Buddha and others who came before him. It's a temporary focused bliss state. Its main purpose is to put you into a mental state where vipassana practice works more effectively, but is otherwise just a pleasant state that strengthens your mind. Don't listen to feeble minded Christians screeching about demonorinos, they're just afraid of everything that isn't endorsed by their jew book.
>>41169251>Cannabis can help with relaxing and feeling heavy, >but you need to remain clear minded and awarereminder that weed dulls the body outand when one is undertaking a proprioception exerciseit is simply counterproductive
>>41169213abrahamism is praying to a blood egregorenow fuck off out of this thread, we dont need to hear from those who have subscribed to a long storied history of blood sacrifices itt
>>41169209>heart chakra center exploding with energy, rapid heartbeat>feel very excited like something big is going to happen>then get nervous and open my eyes, aborting takeoffyou need to keep your mind out of this processthis is why any and all deviations must trigger an immediate return to the practiceotherwise the habit energy of deviations from the practice is strengthened instead of the habit energy of sustaining the practiceit doesnt sound like you have refined your bodily processes sufficiently quite yetit does sound like you are getting to the point of detecting the motion within the stillnessbut without having your practice solidly habituated to the extent it needs to bethe heart will need to be brought into harmony with the breaththis means that as the breath slows, there will be a point where the heart isnt well harmonized and this ration gets very high>Normal Heart Rate (HR): 60-100 beats per minute (bpm) for adults at rest. >Normal Respiration Rate (RR): 12-20 breaths per minute for adults at rest. >The Ratio: When you divide the typical heart rate (e.g., 75 bpm) by the typical respiratory rate (e.g., 15 breaths/min), you get a ratio of 5:1, or a Heart/Breathing Rate Ratio of about 5this ratio gets a bit out of whack as your breaths get very long and requires some time focused on the heart just more or less imbuing a calming intention upon it>accomplished meditative heart rate: 40-55bpm>accomplished respiration rate: .5-1.5 breaths/minwhen you feel the movement within stillness, that's just one of those times you need to really just stay focused on your practice, ignore the viewsstay focused, keep the awareness diligently focuseddont pay attention to the scenerydoing this will let the fruits manifest properly
Drink a beer, believe in yourself, and talk to your important people in your head. Memories are important. There is nothing to fear. No sex stuff. Thats important. Otherwise your talking to yor reproduction organ.
>>41169209I got to this stage during a 10 day vipassana. It felt like this reality was about to peel away like ripped fabric to a bright light that was there all along. Like I was about to go to heaven, but my ego didn’t want it. I was too anxious to go further. I didn’t want to leave this reality as I have more to experience, despite the illusion it is. In this state all concepts in this reality lost meaning. Then the next night I had a Kundalini awakening during group meditation a fireball pulse of energy went from my root to crown. Afterwards I had the sensation of being pure energy with no solidity. It felt like I was about to shoot chi out of my hands. I saw sacred geometry on the floor. I left the retreat that night. Two days later at home I had another massive build up of spiritual energy while in contemplation. This time I felt the presence of a spiritual entity telling me I was ready and to just surrender myself to the process. It was like I could ascend to 5D right there, leave this world behind where my physical body would die. I had too much fear to go further and had to resist as strong as I could to not be taken by the energy/entity. The kundalini energy then left my body for good, it was like the entity was saying thanks a lot for wasting my time. In hindsight my thinking mind was projecting unwarranted fear on the situation. I don’t think I would have died, but I know you must be prepared to do so to go further.
>>41171569>a 10 day vipassana>I had a Kundalini awakening during group meditation>This time I felt the presence of a spiritual entity telling me I was ready and to just surrender myself to the process. It was like I could ascend to 5D right there, leave this world behind where my physical body would die.fake and gay imagination running wild
>>41171591The kundalini energy is unmistakable. I’m not some flowery hippy dickhead, I have 2 engineering degrees
>>41171650>kundalini energy>from some entity>left retreat early>k>from some entityyour engineering degree does not preclude your mind from delusion
>>41169257and idiots who "awaken" on meditation write moronic comments like that. Man there really is no way out.
>>41171688>awakenawaken to what, eventhat's the problem with discussing these topics in places like thesealways someone out of left field writing preposterous shitthat the accomplished as well as the uninitiated both cringe at
>>41171686you seem overly invested and passive aggressive in disproving things that challenge your beliefs :^)
>>41171717nah its just that such word salads are cringeI know you're just trying to describe your experiencebut when you use a whole bunch of words and dont appear to understand their meanings, what else do you expect
>>41171738you seem to have a strange spiritual gate keeping complex then, perhaps work on that and you can experience “kundalini” and receive packed thoughforms from “entities” like I did my friend
>>41171788>experienced a little chi>wow its kundalini99.999999% of people tossing around the word have no business talking about it at all>OP: I would like advice and firsthand experiences from those of who have crossed this threshold>You: LET ME TELL YOU A STORY OF WHEN I FELT SOME CHI>BUT ITS GONE BECAUSE I DIDNT BELIEVE THE ENTITY THAT GAVE IT TO MEits probably a good time to stop sliding this thread with this bullshit
>>41171278This is why TM is so effective, cause you just focus on the mantra which allows the sensory/extrasensory sensations to occurr without distracting you. As Tom Cambell pointed out, you don't need a super secret word, anything ending in -ing will do.>fucking>fucking >fucking>.......
I took 7g of mushrooms in my darkest times, and I surely felt I had a ''spiritual enlightenment''
>>41169213Prayer is literally a form of meditation.
>>41173016atheists ruining spirituality againthe point of a mantra is to tap into the heaven, energy and wisdom of a deityAnd each beej sound has characteristic vibrations, sounds, colors and energy, that resonate with different parts of the body and draw forth different patterns of thinking. Choosing random sounds without having any idea what your doing is dumb.There is a science behind mantras, but atheists like to ruin things with their arrogant assertions that the world is only material. >>41171569Fear is a good sign you should stop or significantly slow down the practice, or risk mental destabilization. Try to figure out you imbalanced yourself. Hindus have Ganesha and Shiva for troubleshooting spiritual blockages.
>>41173016TM is just manasika japa meditation, and absolutely any mantra works, in fact literally any object of concentration (breath, mantra, kasina/candle, sound, etc) performs the same fuction which is to reduce mental activity, just have to keep your attention solely on the object and keep coming back to it
>>41173220Anything works but best is a mantra which directs the mind to Brahman, like Pranava (Om), Yoga Sutras teaches specifically that practice first and in the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna as Parabrahman teaches meditation like this:> "controlling the mind and fixing it on me, sit in meditation with me as your only goal"
>>41173422dogmatic faggot
>>41173016>>41173184anyone who's still a materialist in 2025 is 100% a braindead NPC.
>>41171686Your co-workers have already proven that the kundalini has some effect on the body lol
>>41169387It could be that years of disciplined meditation don't actually prepare you for enlightenment, instead they just prepare you to let go of attachment, so there is no resistance to block it from happening automatically. That's why guys like OP can lie down with binaural beats and quickly reach that state but then chicken out, but hardcore zen practitioners are calm before, during and after coming back from sudden consciousness expansions/upgrades.
