Nothing belongs to evil, not even violence. The greatest rape and humiliation has been prophesied (revelations) to belong to Michael the Archangel when he drags this worms pathetic corpse to the feet of the Virgin Mary
Light wins, beauty is saved, love lasts.
Jesus Christ is unmatched in literature or history. No other voice carries as much authority as His.
And here's some ass. God made it. Everything belongs to the light.
>>41181357spoiler: that's a man
>>41181374I think hermaphrodite, this suffices for me.
>>41181316If I had my way I would redeem him and turn him back to God, and be friends with him, and for all the sins of the world to be forgiven.
>>41181411Hard to say, can we trust this guy ya think?
>>41181425Knowing what I know about him, I feel sorry for him, rather than hatred.
>>41181316how can you feel this much hate toward something that you believe your own god made and allows?
>>41181316They were elves once..
>>41181466They just follow what everyone else is doing.
>>41181445You don't know him. Those are alligator tears. >>41181466Its easy to see why I would or why anyone would, Satan is a destroyer, rapist, liar, perverter, manipulator, abuser. He's even dull, boring, he wants to drain the world of all life. But God does allow it because we can make choices, freewill. If you shot someone in the head would you think *gasp*''why did God do that!". He didn't, it was you. You can actually make choices and so can anyone.God wanted actual partners and children to work with, free.The promise of Christ is to bear the consequences of all the suffering this causes.
>>41181505Wow, funny that you should take Zoroastrian lore and put it on an angel...
>>41181505>>>41181445 (You)>You don't know him. Those are alligator tears.I've spoken with him, and asked him about himself.He told me that he had been the lone survivor of a war that destroyed his universe, and drifted through space completely alone for 300,000 years before coming to our universe. Hearing that, it made sense to me why God let him come here.And I've felt evidence that his isn't our first universe, that the previous one was totally destroyed to such an extent that its existence is like an echo that can barely be perceived as a possible existence. I think in our lives here, and in our journey to heal our souls, we might be able to recreate or recover some part of that previous existence, but the entropic destruction was of such a level that it might be impossible to ever truly recover.If Satan was actually a survivor of that previous existence, then I'd also imagine, perhaps all of us, who had to incarnate into this universe, are the people who didn't make it in that previous universe. I'd say, that has huge karmic implications for everyone, and kind of makes it seem that any pain he dishes out to mankind, is something we halfway deserve, due to it being a reverberation of our previous failed existence where we destroyed ourselves, and each other.For the one being who survived, had to carry all that pain alone, and also has the karmic duty to share that suffering with us in small doses until we are mature enough to withstand the actual memory of it all, I feel a lot of sympathy and compassion for.
>>41181520We're all talking about the same things. You think this stuff originated with zoroastrianism? It's root is in reality itself, all cultures and religions are pulling from the same source. It's different for revelation though, burning bushes and resurrections.
>>41181543Judaism says evil comes from God. Both good and evil, I mean. There are good and destructive angels that do the will of YHWH, none of them stand against him.
>>41181550I'm not a Jew. Apostolic Christianity is the truth. There are lots of inconsistencies on the Bible, it's evident that we're watching them develop monotheism. The point is that they do, because it's the truth.The dualism between good and evil is similar. It took time to devolop and imo is still developing.
>>41181529Don't seek a relationship with him and don't listen to what he says. We have to be careful in life and in spiritual matters.Speak with your Maker, He literally exists, the one who knit you in your mothers womb. He knows those intimate inner parts of your personality that you can barely ever share with people, if ever. Its amazing to feel, like a central presence and relationship you forgot about but is right there. Your God. He is Yours. And you are His.
>>41181529classic demon liesJesus is King And about the relationship between God and the devil? Nind your own business
>>41181600Is that 22?
>>41181316> Nothing belongs to evil, not even violence. The greatest rape and humiliation has been prophesied (revelations) to belong to Michael the Archangel when he drags this worms pathetic corpse to the feet of the Virgin Mary.B A S E DASED
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This thread brought to you by the tribes that hated Sol and conspired against Him and everything He established for the sake of human kind
>>41181529>Talk to prince of liars>Immediately believe everything he saysGood choice man
>>41182958Who told you he was the prince of liars?
>>41182966What the fuck does that matter? He is known to be deceptive
>>41182971Who is still alive from Jesus' Disciples?
>>41182976All of them besides Judas
>>41182987Are you trying to say they didn't taste death but were assumed into Heaven?
>>41183001You are alive in heaven. I can't say whether or not they were assumed, but I know they aren't dead.
>>41183048He said "Taste death." As in they wouldn't die on Earth, which they all did.
>>41183051This comes from a misunderstanding what he meant when he was referring to >This generation This generation as in the generation that would live through revelations. He was prophesizing about his second coming.
>>41183066Sure, bud, that's an apologetic.
>>41183076>Misunderstand the Bible>Structure beliefs around this misunderstanding >No that's not actually what that means>"Uh, akshually that's explaining things? You aren't supposed to do that? Literally just let me be wrong because I like it???"Ok dood
>>41183091This dude thinks it's not Hell that disgusts me about Christianity and Islam. Bro, it doesn't matter how much you defend your "faith," you're not gonna kiss ass enough to get away from having to prove yourself. Unless someone actually chooses to save you, which is just like "Good luck with that."
>>41183109>Christianity and Islam >But not Judaism Curious
>>41183128Judaism doesn't have an Eternal Hell after one life. It's part of the reason they laugh at you for believing they actually think that Jesus is burning in Hell in excrement, that's ridiculous.
>>41183139It has Sheol you dumbass that is hell
>>41183168Yes, Judaism has a concept similar to "hell," known as Gehenna (or Gehinnom), but it is a temporary spiritual cleansing process, not eternal punishment. <----- That's as close as they get.Sheol isn't Hell either.
>>41183168In ancient Judaism, Sheol was the general, shadowy underworld or "pit" where all the dead, regardless of their righteousness, descended after death. It was not a place of heaven or hell, but rather a dimly described, bleak realm of existence that was synonymous with death and the grave. Over time, as Jewish beliefs developed during the Second Temple period (around 500 BCE – 70 CE), the understanding of Sheol evolved, with some texts suggesting it became a place for the wicked and that the concept of an afterlife with different destinations began to emerge
>>41183172Yeah? That's wrong>>41183176Yeah. It's hell. Everyone went to hell prior to Christ's passion because we were all corrupted by sin, no matter how good of a person we were in life. We are now eligible to dwell with our creator as he intended because the sins of humanity died and went to hell with Christ on the cross. Christ collected the holy men from the pit during the harrowing of Hell following his death. If Christianity never made contact with northern Europeans, we would just call hell Sheol. We picked up the word Hell to describe the place from scandis. But prior to that, it was Sheol.
>>41183207It's not Hell, you moron. There is no Lake of Fire or destruction of the soul in Sheol. Just stop trying to make it your belief system.
>>41183219The soul isn't destroyed in Christianity and the lake of fire is where the damned go after revelations. Are you done pretending you know more about my religion than I do?
Demons possess what is given them. They can only be deprived of violence by refusing to inflict it on them.
>>41183230You're wrong, because Jesus himself mentions souls being destroyed in Hell, you utter imbecile. You don't even read the Bible, you fag pedo.
This is what christ cucks actually believe
>>41183289He has the power to destroy the soul you fucking retard. That doesn't mean the soul is destroyed in hell. There are conscious people in hell described by Christ in the Bible, like the parable of the rich man. Which you would know if you knew anything about the Bible besides out of context information you use to support your own beliefs.
>>41183304I know about that parable. The Lazarus parable, which is also immoral. But be serious here, you don't read the Bible and you're a gay pedo who thinks they know more than they actually do. Mr "HE DOESN'T HAAAAAAAAAAAVE TO DO THAT, BUT DOES IT THAT WAY BECAUSE... BECAUSE UH, HE JUST DOES, OKAY?" Get a hold of yourself, bud.
>>41183304>>41183289You are also making the assumption that destruction implies deletion, not that it's describing the experience of being in hell. Your body and soul are destroyed, you are in a state of torment, continual destruction. Again, please stop pretending you know more about my religion than I do you stupid faggot.
>>41183319>Which is also immoralThat's funny you say that because the impression I have of you is that you're a terrible person >impotent rageJust say you give up there's more dignity in it
>>41183321Your religion is false, bro, and you have to apologize for the bullshit it teaches. First you Sheol was Hell, where's the proof of the Lake of Fire then? And the destruction of the soul is just people retirin', huh?>>41183327This from the gay pedophile, that's funny af.
>>41183294Yeah. The utter triumph over all death and misery, an infinite hope in goodness and mercy. How cucked.Stop being so insincere. All these internet cliches. Cuck. Muzzie. Haha I'm a memer. Get over it. We're in an important time in history.Tell me how it's cucked?
>>41183332>Constantly wrong an needs to be corrected >"AW FUCK NO STOP EVERYTHING I BELIEVE IS CONTINGENT UPON MY MISUNDERSTANDING OF SCRIPTURE!"If your priors will not allow you to accept the information I'm presenting to you then this conversation is kind of pointless isn't it
>>41183346Millstone, my guy.
>>41183353I don't have to understand "Scripture" to know that Eternal Hell is immoral, you fucking moron. You presuppose as if The Creator is only your type of love and not Unconditional, because that's what you were taught and you're okay with it. Get a hold of yourself, my guy.
People are constantly angry about what's in the Bible and what they think Christians believe about it but then also get angry when Christians tell them they don't actually believe the things they assumed they did and that the Bible isn't actually saying the thing that made them mad or made them think this fake thing that no Christian actually believes. And then they get mad because the Christian is not the fake person in their head.
>>41183373So there's no Eternal Hell in Christianity? No infinite punishment for finite crimes? Absolutely no one believes this and they don't revel in it, huh? They don't hide behind it, huh?
>>41181316Michael is mindless.
>>41183369>I don't have to understand "Scripture" If we're discussing what is actually in the book we're talking about them yeah that is kind of a prerequisite >to know that Eternal Hell is immoralThe only people it happens to deserve it so you don't have to worry about little Timmy ending up in the sulphur pits just because he's a bit of a brat. You people are crazy, you know we Christians have a name for this condition? Scrupulosity, every sin is irrecoverable and damns you irreversibly to hell. No, that isn't how God works. He's merciful and understanding. Literally all you have to do is apologize and make a genuine effort not to fall into sin again. And if you do, he will still forgive you. Literally all he wants is your sincere, concerted effort to be a good person.
>>41183395You don't even know what it's like to be good, you fucking idiot. You don't know what it takes to be righteous and it fucking shows.
>>41183380Eternal hell only happens to people who deserve eternal hell. To put things into perspective for you, even as a Christian and even you being who you are and saying what you're saying, I seriously doubt if you died today you'd go to hell.
>>41183405You seem very upset.
>>41183405Does it
>>41183415Oh, so you can call me a dumbass and you're not upset, but I say you're a fucking idiot, and that means I'm upset. Be consistent.
>>41183420Yes, it does show.
>>41181316The virgin Mary, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are not in the Book of Revelation. The Antichrist is not in the Book of Revelation
>>41183423That guy isn't me. This is me>>41183420>>41183410
>>41183431How's that
>>41183433You actually think The Creator is so petty that he would send someone to Eternal Torment in Hell?>>41183441You're still running your mouth, that's how you can tell.
>>41183423I'm not the same as the guy you were arguing with. I'm just pointing out the incongruity between your aggressive tone and the subject matter of righteousness.
>>41183452God doesn't send people to hell out of pettiness this is like saying people go to prison because the courts are just so petty they can't help but convict people for their crimes. Also why would I stop talking in what way does this reflect poorly on my character
>>41183459You don't know what it's like to be righteous. You don't know the beginning or ending of it.>>41183467Dude, you're literally comparing Eternal Hell for finite crimes to jail? Are you out of your mind?
>>41183479> You don't know what it's like to be righteousNo man does. Man's righteousness is worth no more than dirty rags before God.
>>41183503Oh boy, yes, we should all kiss ass instead of try to live for The Creator, awesome.
>>41183503If the Bhagavad-Gita is good enough for Einstein it's good enough for me.
>>41183509I don't know how you've derived that dichotomy but it's false. God does not value us for our righteousness, he requires us simply to surrender and accept and serve his will, so that we may be instruments of the righteousness of God.
>>41183528His will is to live righteously for me, that's enough for me.
>>41183518If the Bible was good enough for Einstein's close friend Kurt Gödel then it's good enough for me.
>>41183467>this is like saying people go to prison because the courts are just so petty they can't help but convict people for their crimesI mean, in some places...
>>41183479Guy who has apparently never heard of a life sentence is shocked to hear that hell is eternal
>>41183590Yes but those are brown places and God is White (spiritually)
>>41183539Lol this post makes it very clear that Christians can't create anything original. Looking forward to Jesus wiping tears from your eyes like a fascist
>>41183672Ok so this doesn't actually have anything to do with what's in the Bible you just don't like Christianity because it's a competing social institution
>>41181316Relax, they are just double agents!
>>41183646Literally not the same thing, you disingenuous freak.
>>41183354I'm sorry I actually just don't know what you're referencing. The parable of the millstone? Explain it if you want a response.>>41183369I haven't been following this argument and don't want to derail the other anon, but here's the thing about hell. If you can have mercy on someone, and think it's a horrible thought that they are damned, then God has MORE mercy than you and cares deeper about the person than you.'To those who show mercy, mercy will be shown''The measure you give is the measure you receive''Judge not lest you be judged'The reaction you have is a good thing. It means you have a sensitive heart.Personally I have universalist tendencies and I think the Churches are going to be returning to this belief, it was a common belief of the earliest Christians and greatest Greek Church fathers. Gregory of Nyssa, Origin, Clement of Alexandria. The word for the punishment God gives isn't torture, that's a medieval misunderstanding, it's a purgative, purifying, remedial and instructive punishment. >>41183432We don't have to rely on just the Bible. Where the Bible came from is inspired individuals, people, Jesus set up the church before any of the new testament was written, then they later wrote it. What's really important is the spiritual lineage of christianity in actual people. We are the church and the truth lives within people, not in books.
>>41183817I just realized you weren't that person, my mistake.
>>41183258I suspect this is a monist or pantheistic misunderstanding, but I'm not completely sure why, just a hunch. But theological or philosophic language is trumped by simple metaphor and story. Demons do not play fair, they will hurt you even if you're innocent.Angels don't operate by this law of give an take either. They will seek your benefit even if you hate them.
>>41183955>Demons do not play fair, they will hurt you even if you're innocent.They cannot. If you want "simple metaphor", they are like vampires. They can enter only where they are invited. The simplest way to protect yourself against demonic influence is to not engage with demons. Have you ever met an evangelical into "spiritual warfare"?
>>41183973The Book of Job is very relevant here. In this world innocent people suffer, and it's not deserved. It's not karmic.
>>41184026That is true but not all that is ill with the world is the work of demons. A large amount of our suffering is our own fault. > book of JobI don't buy it personally, like God would make a bet with the Devil as if he were Charlie Daniels. Same as I'm not a creationist etc.
>>41183798Yes it is and it's secular societies that have this punishment in place as well>Someone is locked up in an intentionally unpleasant place for the entirety of their existence on earth>Someone is locked up in an intentionally unpleasant place for the entirety of their existence in the afterlife Maybe you don't agree with either because you're a stupid leftist, but again, God knows who deserves hell and who doesn't. He isn't just throwing anyone who skips mass on Sunday into the lake of fire. You are acting like it's unfair that the worst, most reprehensible, and incapable of being reformed people are separated from everyone else and punished. Which again might be an actual belief you hold assuming you're a leftist >>41183679
>>41184060This has nothing to do with politics, the fact that you think it does says enough about you to me. Secondly even if they get several life sentences, it's still not as bad as eternity in torment and torture in Hell. Dude, it's petty no matter how you slice it.
>>41184074No, it isn't petty and the severity is the point. You are being punished for having an entire lifetime to good and going out of your way to choose not to. God takes into account aggravating factors, he knows what's your fault and what isn't. If you consistently choose to be evil after whatever certain amount of time God has deemed appropriate for you as an individual to prove yourself, then you deserve hell because you are evil. You would choose evil no matter what. Everyone who is currently in hell is crying out for God and forgiveness. And you know what? If God forgave them and let them out, even if they were there for thousands of years, they would immediately resume sinning. Taking advantage of others, being cruel, manipulative, materialistic, violent, and selfish. No matter how horrible the tortures of hell are and no matter how intimately they understand the connections between their own behaviors and the consequence being damnation, they would immediately resume whatever behavior landed them in hell. Then they'd die and go back, and start begging for forgiveness and a THIRD chance. Those are the people in hell. They don't want to be forgiven, they just don't want to face consequences for their behaviors.
>>41184108Do you think the Hell you are in now is not enough? You have no mercy in your heart for anyone you don't like or deem evil. Fuck off. Stop arguing for Christianity and be the Satanist you were meant to be, you fucking ingrate.
>>41184126The concept of hell upsets (You) because you're afraid you will face consequences for your actions. I don't deem anyone evil which God doesn't. Don't try this, you've already decided I'm evil. You are so obviously in the wrong here it's not even funny.
>>41184139You don't even know who I am or who you're talking to. You don't know up from down. And you don't know where you are. That's all I need to know about you. You don't care if you're wrong, as long as your "God" gets the glory.
>>41184032Hmm. I'll have to think on this. In practice I mostly agree, you shouldn't go looking for a fight. As a kid (13/14) I actually used to do this, I'd go walk around my towns graveyard at night praying the rosary. I wouldn't do that now, it's better to just focus on your immediate and normal life and do as much good as you can there.
>>41184126Also>You have no mercy in your heart for anyone you don't like or deem evil.>deem evilThe behaviors I have arrogantly deemed evil in my ignorance and callousness >Taking advantage of others, being cruel, manipulative, materialistic, violent, and selfish.
>>41184148I am extremely obviously not wrong. I've been kicking your ass the entire thread. You genuinely do not know what you're talking about
>>41181316Every color belong to light, even a color as violent as red belong to light, darkness hold nothing.
>>41184153Those things are wrong to do, yes. But eternal torture? Are you kidding me right now? You're arguing for eternal torture right now just because you want your "God" to be the true one?
>>41184163The fact you think this has anything to do with some sort of competition is fucking crazy, dude. To anyone with love in their heart, you look like a heartless bastard, which you are.
>>41184167I'm arguing for eternal punishment because I hate evil you fucking moron
>>41184174Anon you are not going to gaslight me into being ashamed for outsmarting you. You believed a bunch of things that weren't true, I corrected you and you got angry. We debated and you were wrong. Now it's>UHM IT'S NOT EVEN A COMPETITION SWEATY????Because you lost
>>41184178You're the moron, dude. You don't hate the evil in yourself, you hate it in others. If it were the case that you did hate the evil in yourself and had a repentant heart, you would show love to those who do evil in action just to show them The Truth, but you have no truth in you and it shows.
>>41184193What are you talking about? Girlie, stop being slow, you don't look good to anyone with half the capacity to love. You're a fucking charlatan.
>>41184196Yeah that's not what this conversation is about and you aren't a Christian so don't try that tactic. Vile. We are discussing whether or not hell is justified. It is, it is God's justice. Ergo, justified. Since you've had a sudden conversion, I'm sure you agree.>>41184200Talking a like a bot
>>41184213>Yeah that's not what this conversation is about and you aren't a Christian so don't try that tactic. Vile. We are discussing whether or not hell is justified. It is, it is God's justice. Ergo, justified. Since you've had a sudden conversion, I'm sure you agree.We're arguing whether Eternal Torture in Hell is evil, you moron, so your Ethics is called into question, sure.>Talking a like a botYou still haven't gotten a hold of yourself in any form or fashion. You think you're on the right side of history. I MAKE history.
>>41184224>so your Ethics is called into question, sure.It is ethical and for the same reason a life sentence is ethical in a secular context. Ok anything else>I MAKE history.You MAKE people concerned for your mental health
>>41184237>It is ethical and for the same reason a life sentence is ethical in a secular context. Ok anything elseYeah, the fact that you're comparing Eternal Torture in Hell to a lifetime in prison (Which by the way, not all sentences are death sentences, but all sins are Hellworthy) is beyond anything anyone can teach you on their own. You only Stan for it because you want your "God" to be The True One. When you figure out who the fuck you're talking to, you dumbfuck, brush your feet off and come in the house. I'll only give you a few seconds to feel the kind of nonsense you wish on others. You've obviously never been tortured and have lived many cushy lives and it shows.
>>41184263A life sentence is logically a death sentence because you serve the sentence until you die. That's the point. The only difference is that the state doesn't go out of it's way to kill you. >Many cushy livesIndian schizo retard. Yeah ok who am I talking to, the Buddha? Fuck off
>>41184273>A life sentence is logically a death sentence because you serve the sentence until you dieLiterally what I said in less letters.>The only difference is that the state doesn't go out of it's way to kill youWhat does this have to do with the FACT that you think Hell is just because you want your "God" to be The True One?>>41184273The Nobody, you dumb fuck.
Shit gettin' crazy, scary, spooky, hilarious...
>>41184280No I actually like the idea of hell because I don't like evil people
>>41184294Yeah, there's nothing else that needs to be said. You hate your fellow man so much, that you'd rather see them cast into Hell than redeemed. Don't even bother replying because this is my last reply to you.
>>41184304I hate evil
I'm just wondering how we're supposed to tell angels and demons apart whenever they're the same species, race or whatever you wanna call it, did they change physically too or what's up with that?
>>41184341Paul tells us how to test the spirits. Can they preach Christ Crucified?There is simply nothing more noble than total self sacrifice in the name of love. A devil can appear beautiful and give all sorts of wisdom but he can not encourage Jesus Christ Crucified.There is no fear in love, seek the endless heart of Jesus love for humanity, unto death. Test spirits against this.
>>41184386For the demons in the physical world to me I feel as if asking the jesus question is essentially like throwing garlic at a vampire or showing it a little crucifix, a trope really.
>>41184386Cont. And likewise. 'Know a tree by it's fruits'. Does a sentiment, spirit, thought, lead you to self sacrifice in the name of love, in imitation of Jesus. You have to be continually on watch because your own mind will deceive you. Are you growing in love for neighbor and God. Then you are on the path.
be careful chasing monsters, lest ye become one yourself.
>>41184430I kind of addressed this >>41184433 but the real power you get from Jesus is the ability to know what is good and the strength to do it. It's an internal presence. You don't have to expect a demon to shriek and shrivel at the sight of a crucifix. You just have to discern if it's in alignment with the Way of Jesus. If not just walk away. It's powerless to stop you.
>>41184386>>41184433>>41184453QFT.
>>41184440The monster I chase is already lurking in my heart. It's a part of me I seek to destroy.
