>>41183132
You cant fight the truth friend
Whatever it is

>>41183132
Ironically, defeating false religions like Christianity and Islam weren't in the top two priorities of Olympian gods. Possibly third. *shrug*

It's worlds better than it was even 50 years ago, or especially 400. Just religion, not the world.

>>41183132
Christianity is the ONLY religion that teaches that God loves you. It's here to stay.

>>41183170
God doesn't love us at all...

>>41183132
Islam could be wiped out today if it weren't for leftist traitors and retards like you coming to their defense ad infinitum for the last 60 years. The fact that people don't have a disgust response at the mention of Islam to the extent that they do to Nazis is absurd, they literally did 9/11 and killed thousands of innocent people. They are openly hostile to western civilization and wish for nothing more than the entire world to return to the stone age, the fucking luddites. You can't rid of Christianity, though. People have been actively, legitimately trying to do that for the last 2000 years. If the soviets couldn't do it despite decades of the concerted effort of their authoritarian government, if Islam couldn't do it despite conquering vast swaths of Christian Europe before being pushed back across the Mediterranean sea, you cannot do it.

>>41183183
You cant love yourself and God

>>41183183
OK Satan.

>>41183193
40~second post time interesting

>>41183188
How about we try de-converting younger people since they're more likely to actually listen and then their children would be born into their belief, so it'd spread like that. Also tons of Muslims are converting to Christianity in the Middle East, so we could just show them Zoroastrianism or something since it's from there and say that it's the original. Paganism/Atheism is already rising but slowly and not as fast as Christianity and Islam

>>41183193
Yes I am Satan in disguise so I wanna eradicate Christianity from the face of the Earth :)

>>41183132
>doesn't mention judaism

>>41183231
> I am Satan
Good disguise.

>>41183188
>>41183224
>jews not mentioned once
You are glowing extremely bright. Muslims would be harmless if it weren't for jews. They used to be straight up allies of the west until jews

>>41183231
I 100% guarantee it's because of masturbation
When you tell a lie you have to fill it with
emotion because there is no truth
This first fundamental lesson in a dichotomy between right and wrong
Is governed by respect to the effect of God.
Even because His will is respect.
Let love life across the land and bring all into accordance with it.
Lest ye stand in the way and taste the fire.
Praise be to the will of the Almighty God.
Amen.

If you do have questions maybe I can help
I have set my mind to the service in some ways
If you honestly have any question maybe I can help
I know that mindlessness is a fire
That consumes human souls
I get that you can cough up an insult here and there
But can you raise an argument?

>>41183188
Jews did 9/11

>>41183132
Churchianity≠christianity

>>41183224
>How about we try de-converting younger people since they're more likely to actually listen and then their children would be born into their belief, so it'd spread like that.
Rome and the Soviets tried that, along with contemporary liberal atheists. Doesn't work. People become Christian when times are tough. When you put the screws to people, they seek God. Christianity is like ooblek. You hit it and it hardens. The most success anyone's had has been the aforementioned liberal atheists, and they were successful by passively labeling Christianity as lame and passe. But the effects of their ideology became apparent eventually, and the ooblek hardened. It always happens. Christianity is designed to work this way.
>we could just show them Zoroastrianism or something since it's from there and say that it's the original.
It has nothing to do with the human experience and only has significance as being explanatory for material phenomenon we already mostly understand so it's useless. It doesn't resonate with us. That's why there aren't really Zoroastrians anymore. It's a bronze age religion for bronze age societies, Christianity is made to be universal and touches on realities about the human condition that everyone everywhere understands.

I know they didnt speak old English btw
But it does sound cool

>>41183170
>Christianity is the ONLY religion that teaches that God loves you. It's here to stay.
What the hell does it matter if it's not true and it's not about a real god? No pun intended, but who will also supposedly let you go to hell for the dumbest things.

>>41183306
The same who will forgive you in a moment
And it will no longer be brought up

But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?


We have to obey the ten commandments
That's it

>>41183306
> What the hell does it matter if it's not true and it's not about a real god?
I'm assuming you're asking about why the doctrine of God's love means Christianity is worthy of our belief, and not asking about why that same doctrine means we should expect it to persist, which answer I believe is obvious enough. To answer briefly, it is not given to human beings to know anything at all with complete certainty. All knowledge is contingent and informed by observation & experiment. That includes spiritual knowledge. In Christ's words, "by [its] fruits shall ye know".

>>41183132
For any qualms one could have about Christianity wiping out this or that, I think we have to acknowledge that if not for Christendom, Islam would have conquered Europe and been even more merciless to the cultures and practices there. It may be true that Christian Europe wasn't exactly tolerant of alternative practices in its heyday, but if you are a Pagan or whatever today then you kind of have Christendom to thank for anything surviving from antiquity. Islam seems to dictate that the entire world needs to be the Middle East; just look at Spain under the Moors.

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>Can we somehow get rid of Christianity and Islam?
why didnt you mention the jews OP?

>>41183170

That is kinda grafted onto [GENERIC HIERARCHICAL DESERT TRIBE DEITY]. Would have likely worked better as a standalone version. That way it simply puts an outdated model into new clothes. Now add church authority to it and you end up with some pretty messed up stockholm syndrome cult again. And ridding it off that is tricky as you got that damn generic desert deity baked into it.

>>41183132

Issue is not so much replacement but offering something useful that not even needs to contradict. If the old cults then get marginalized, it was their fate. If they transform around the new path, it was their fate.

>>41183426
It has nothing to do with a desert
The truth is the truth contend it

Don't believe man believe God
Science and wisdom are discovery

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>>41183426
>That is kinda grafted onto [GENERIC HIERARCHICAL DESERT TRIBE DEITY].
Christianity completely upends Judaism and its law-based conception of God. It's a direct antithesis to the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob, in fact. The Jews themselves understood this well and that is why they crucified him, and it is why Jews now believe Jesus is in Sheol boiling in a pot of excrement.

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>>41183340
>I'm assuming you're asking about why the doctrine of God's love means Christianity is worthy of our belief
That's not what I asked at all. I asked, in other words, what the value of a good sounding religion is if it's made up and fake.

>To answer briefly, it is not given to human beings to know anything at all with complete certainty.
That's the nature of rationality. Even a god couldn't know anything with complete certainty.
>All knowledge is contingent and informed by observation & experiment. That includes spiritual knowledge. In Christ's words, "by [its] fruits shall ye know".
Careful what you wish for. But Christians would cope and backtrack and make illogical excuses as they always have if their religion was trounced and forgotten by the world at large.

>>41183448
> Even a god couldn't know anything with complete certainty.
That is not correct. God is not contingent and does not depend on "rationality", because reality is not external nor separate from God.

>Christians would cope and backtrack and make illogical excuses as they always have if their religion was trounced and forgotten by the world at large.
"What if everything was different to what in fact it is?"
Indeed.

>>41183442
Oh wait no
Do you know the ten commandments?

>>41183478
Matthew 22:36-40

>>41183472
>That is not correct. God is not contingent and does not depend on "rationality", because reality is not external nor separate from God.
Just because you say so. Because god is so good he can bypass logic. Which you know for sure, despite saying you can't know anything for sure.

Kind of what I was talking about, illogical excuses.

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>>41183388

Please avoid redundancy. The other two might be up to debate still, but not even gonna argue on this one.

>>41183485
> because you say so
You realise I might just as easily try the same tactic in reply, don't you? Why does God need logic, because you say so? Well in fact, it appears that by asserting that God is burdened with subjective epistemological problems, that you are simply redefining the subject of discussion from a non-contingent being to a contingent one.

>>41183484
Thou shalt not kill
Jews attribute a justification of their own
device

I guess I'm confused about what you're talking about
Both Christianity and Jewishness are not
well defined save for the Lord.
It's never a law of man
It is only the ten commandments
Everything else is wisdom

>>41183497
>Why does God need logic, because you say so?
It's the fundamental nature of self-awareness, whatever your self is. You have a perspective, and you can't know if information which reaches it comes from where you assume it does.

It's very basic philosophy, Descartes, cogito ergo sum: I have awareness, therefore I exist, and that's all I can really know. (Then iirc he coped out and try to say you could also know god is real lol.)

>>41183132
>Christianity and Islam
>Kikery omitted
NGMI

>>41183188
>they literally did 9/11 and killed thousands of people.
That were jews

>>41183442

Yes, and that is a point I would gladly discuss. :)
But as the situation is right now this is not exactly the common messaging here. Complex topic but I think you can guess where I take the issue here. The Jesus picture we mostly get these days is sanitized for the most part, and for a good reason ... the churches never had much use for a revoluzzer here. A puppet on strings just suited their aims better, and this is why (where nothing worse as political bias and influence comes into the mix too) it mostly propagates a certain passivity these days. Belief and adherence to some rules (where the old desert cult sneaks in again) is the most common "cultural package" we encounter in this context today. Must not necessarily be the case but is what it is for now.

>>41183440

Nah, often too simple in the interpretation it leads to. That might have sufficed in the past as a horizon of understanding, but what humanity will face in the near future ... I quickly see it becoming very maladaptive. Anything that does not ensure species survival goes outa the window if you ask me. See, it is that oldschool mindset that got us complete bullshit ideas like all-seeing AI surveillance "deities" instead of considering much more viable use cases, not even mentioning true symbiosis yet. I mean, just look at the idiots that come up with something like that!!

>>41183543
Those who try to save their life will lose them

>>41183520
> I guess I'm confused about what you're talking about
Jesus distilled the ten commandments into 2, undercutting the legalistic & loophole-seeking obsession of Judaism with the law and calling us to focus on the spirit.

>>41183554
He said those are the two greatest of the commandments
And the rest hinge off them

>>41183522
That argument holds good for a being which has a definite demarcation between "self" and an external "reality" from which information originates in an originally inaccessible state and somehow enters into awareness. In Christian tradition the closest to a commonly accepted "definition" of God is "that than which nothing greater can be conceived", which entails among other things that no such boundary exists for God.

>>41183567
It actually doesn't make any difference if you perceive your self as separate from other things or combined, because all perception could be illusory, by pure reason. You could perceive yourself as the universe and be wrong, or perceive yourself as an object within the universe and actually contain the whole universe in your consciousness.

>>41183593
What we take our tools to we corrupt
That much is for certain

>>41183593
Indeed, the idea that the notion of "perception" is well defined for God or would be in any fashion analogous to what we call perception in humans is specious.

>>41183132
Are you Indian?

>>41183132
All the Abrahamic religions need to go, they’re the cause of so much needless suffering over a god who previously existed in a whole other pantheon before he threw a fit and told Jewish people to only worship him.
What’s happening in Palestine is just modern day crusades, with the Israelis slaughtering everything with justification from a false bloody God.

>>41183615
> What’s happening in Palestine is just modern day crusades
Blaming Christians for the behaviour of Jews? No what would provoke you to do such a thing?

>>41183615
Religion doesn't matter in the slightest bit
Save for helping people understand truth


The truth is important all else is failure

God isn't needing to hide behind idealism

>>41183388
There's barely any Jews and they're very ignorant and dumb, so there's kinda no point, thought Judaism is the most evil out of all three in my opinion.

Anyone else think jew is a derogatory
term for Hebrew?
Possibly Judas having to do with it
Their entire paradigm has to be on lies

>>41183543
> You are the body of Christ
It does not God to critique the church in my opinion & it reinforces the erroneous equivocation between human institutions and the divine. The Church is anyone who accepts the salvation of Christ.

>>41183640
Typing God repeatedly has made me do it by reflex.
It does no* good* to critique ...

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>>41183170
I'm going to preface this by saying I appreciate Christianity, and especially that of the orthodox theology and the wonders that it brings in the form of beautiful churches, assemblies, etcetera. As a cultural icon, it's beautiful; but the religion overwhelmingly feels like lovebombing.

The core idea is that humans, tainted by sin, are not worthy of God without salvation, that is that without the sacrifice of Christ there would be no real way for people to partake in the Divine nature that is life, instead they'd be damned to eternal death. However, if one repents of their sinful nature, a nature that seems to neatly overlap with most human impulse (whether it is an explicit violation of social compact or otherwise), then one can let Christ into their hearts and find salvation. Creation exists, the creation is tainted, it is the creation's fault that it is tainted, and there is no salvation for creation unless it stops having its own will and submits entirely to the will of the Creator instead - this is "love". Except it isn't, because if we looked at this very same behavior in other humans we would normally call it coercive, abusive even. One could say that submission is required because we do not possess the faculties required to understand the will of God, or how the will of God is actually good for us (I've seen the analogy drawn to a dog being sad over being told off for eating a pizza off the counter before, the dog of course not understanding why it's being scolded), but then why give us intellect? Are we made in the image of God, or are we not? There is no "both". If there is to be a relationship with anyone, God included, then there must be conversation and understanding, I have seen no such thing, only the offering of "forgiveness" without full explanation of initial transgression, nor justification of what makes it a transgression.

Maybe this could all be chalked up to some Wittgensteinian limitation of language, who knows.

>>41183640
Well Catholics call the Church the Mystical Body of Christ and when interrogated by fascists, Joan of Arc said
>About Jesus and the Church, I just know they are the same thing
I think she had Down Syndrome

>>41183640
How?
The very first church was corrupt
People are corrupt.

Accepting Jesus is great
The Messiah is peace.
Peace is perfect faith
It saves us from hypocrisy.

If one can walk in perfect peace
And we cant
Then let him stand in our stead if he will
For judgment

>>41183656
>the religion overwhelmingly feels like lovebombing
That is a common feature of cults and religious communities (however you want to demarcate the two...) - I remark only that it is not a doctrine of Christianity that we must "lovebomb" each other, but love each other as sincerely as we are capable of.

Love is self sacrifice
Patient and kind

The opposite is masturbation
To love the self

>>41183552
So, just accept your doom? Everybody dies, and saving your life doesn’t always fail! Why do you accept being a sacrifice? To what, why?

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>uhmmmm xatan can w-
THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NEVER PREVAIL

>>41183664
>>41183673
Jews actually have a word for loving-kindness, or metta in Buddhism. Christians don't practice it. They're all text and if you don't agree with their INTERPRETATION of the text they call you a demon. Allah said he set enmity between Christian sects for changing the text. Christians will say love of the neighbor but that's very convenient when everyone who doesn't agree with you is a demon.

>>41183682
You shouldn't test the Lord
And you should preserve yourself
But not at the cost of your spirit

>>41183552

Almost prophetic. But kinda fits my reasoning ... those who cannot learn how to help themselves AND others capable of the same will face rather hard times soon.

>>41183640

Better already to argue more in "community" here. That ofc can become a trap too, depending on the nature of the community and if it can encourage actual development in those it is composed of. A sense of belonging alone makes for no resilience. It can also commit to the universalist error, which is another threat factor to species survival.

>>41183606
>Indeed, the idea that the notion of "perception" is well defined for God or would be in any fashion analogous to what we call perception in humans is specious.
Yet we're debating it, and we have different views on divinity, and you claim to know that what god is is beyond our understanding, which is indirectly claiming to know the nature of god. And I'm saying anything with perception at all is subject to cogito ergo sum.

If you live in a meta reality so you know you're (a) god with respect to this one, you could still be in the matrix and have no knowledge of it. For example.

>>41183685
You're trying to attribute ideology to an amorphous blob

>>41183691
Let's see your argument for species survival

>>41183656
>>41183664
> I remark only
Spoke too soon.

> humans, tainted by sin, are not worthy of God without salvation
That is not a correct framing. God is salvation, salvation is God. Accepting the one is accepting the other. Salvation is offered freely and we can reject it or accept it. If you do not believe humans are tainted by sin I simply invite you to examine our history. Or examine yourself, if you are honest.

> without the sacrifice of Christ there would be no real way for people to partake in the Divine

For my own part I do not believe God would be incapable of offering us salvation but for the sacrifice of Christ. The offer was sent to us in a way we could understand. Many nations had already cottoned on to the idea of performing magic rituals by "sacrificing" God's creatures, including human beings, to obtain earthly ends such as good weather or wealth. God put the entire question of the necessity or utility of such practices to rest once and for all through the sacrifice of Christ, permanently obviating any real or imagined necessity for it on our own part.

> if one repents of their sinful nature, a nature that seems to neatly overlap with most human impulse
It certainly does, it overlaps even more with out mammalian and pre-mammalian impulses. If these impulses are something to overcome, it must be because God has greater designs for us than for us to be lizards of chimpanzees.

>>41183693
Can you elaborate further? I don't even know whether you mean Jews or Christians.

>>41183710
Well it doesn't matter the group
The person is important

Labels are not important
They aren't lumped together
The individual can voice reason in lieu of the rest

>>41183704
The Koran is written in very clear language without pagan crap and it clearly says the Most High forgave Adam and Eve of their sin. Your story is so hokey. It's UNBIBLICAL to think Islam is not the inheritance of Ishmael.

>>41183692
>you claim to know that what god is is beyond our understanding, which is indirectly claiming to know the nature of god
I don't believe either of these things are true. I don't claim to *know*, I am open about the fact that this is my own belief. And even if I did claim to know, I don't agree that this would be making a claim to understanding the divine, because such a belief may simply be a result of understanding humans and our own limitations with certainty.

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>>41183717
That's being a bad neighbor

>>41183728
To voice truth?

>>41183733
If the Holy Spirit can guide you he can guide anyone

>>41183737
Yes indeed
Far be it from me to stand in the way

>>41183704
Additionally, the act of sacrificing Christ was a square refutation of the idea that God needs or wants anything from us, that we have anything to sacrifice to him. We have nothing God wants, hence our "sacrifices" are a nonsense. It's essentially God telling humanity the he needs nothing from us, and the only logical direction in which "sacrifice" can work is by God, for us.

>>41183723
That seems like a non-sequitur to me. I'm sure God did forgive Adam & Eve, if they literally did exist. I don't see how the rest is meant to follow.

>>41183132
Hope your family converts seething nerd

>>41183754
I used too many words. The Islamic story is just so simple and easy to understand. The Christian story is "I murdered my son because I am unforgiving."

>>41183766
Freewill brings in the souls

>>41183766
> The Christian story is "I murdered my son because I am unforgiving."

I remarked on why the sacrifice of Christ is not that banal here >>41183704 and here >>41183744

There is at least one more aspect of the matter that I haven't touched on yet, which is that the life of Christ is exemplary and shows men how to conduct our lives. Christ sacrificed himself out of love and this set the bar for any sincere Christian to be willing to do the same (as many since did, the blood of martyrs being the seed of the Church).

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>>41183633
>no point

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>>41183704
>If you do not believe humans are tainted by sin I simply invite you to examine our history. Or examine yourself, if you are honest.
Sin is definitionally that which God views as error. Why does God view these things as error? That is the question asked, and the answer tends to be something to the effect of "Because He wills it", which feels like a non-answer. If we codify something into law, or if we create some kind of safety regulation in the civil sphere, there is always a reason (even if an erroneous one), so surely God must have reasons for the current set-up of things, no?
>God put the entire question of the necessity or utility of such practices to rest once and for all through the sacrifice of Christ, permanently obviating any real or imagined necessity for it on our own part.
Many have interpreted it as a form of penal substitution, so methinks the message perhaps wasn't that clear. I think the juxtaposition of Hosea with Exodus/Leviticus regarding sacrifices is pretty interesting though.
>It certainly does, it overlaps even more with out mammalian and pre-mammalian impulses. If these impulses are something to overcome, it must be because God has greater designs for us than for us to be lizards of chimpanzees.
Yes, but why? More to the point, why give us those impulses to begin with? If one's relationship with God is to be subject to the free will of the individual, and impulse itself (as a function of neurological processes) often subverts or otherwise impedes free agency (the expression of free will), then impulse must naturally be in opposition to free will, either in a hard determinist fashion (wherein all is impulse, even if one thinks otherwise) or in a compatabilist one (wherein one can perhaps overcome certain impulses by consciously focusing effort on other impulses - like shifting attention from a sinful thought to the Jesus Prayer).

>>41183132
Don't forget the jews. They started all this, and christianity and islam branches off the old hebrew religion, along with it evolving into judaism. If you don't get rid of judaism and jewish infiltration too, it's all for nothing. You have to get the roots too.

>>41183835
> Sin is definitionally that which God views as error. Why does God view these things as error?

Sin is whatever damages us. God views it as an error because he loves us.

> Many have interpreted it as a form of penal substitution

I have given you an alternative way to read it which I do not see you considering. You seem to be arguing against what you've already refuted privately to your own satisfaction.

> Yes, but why?
Same answer as above. Because God loves us.

> why give us those impulses to begin with?
To answer this would be entering into the realm of speculation. But that we have them, that we are better off bringing them under control than letting them control us, and that Christian salvation is an effective method for bringing them under control (and has more benefit besides) each of us has to satisfy himself of - and for my part I am satisfied.

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>>41183724
>such a belief may simply be a result of understanding humans
It is very much this FYI, in the case of Christians. That is, people invented the religion for Earthly reasons. Devilish ones. Jesus was a prophet, but got all mixed up. The stories are more mixed up.

That is of course only if my perceptions are reliable...

>>41183662
Christcucks are hypocrites, haven’t you noticed? Everyone is Evil and we have thee only Cure - for something we created! Believe you’re a crappy loser, so a 2000 year old human sacrifice can “save” you using symbolic drowning, and cannibalistic blood magic!, so you can hide your dark side from your God,by hiding what you believe you are from Him with His permission! It’s sick, and there’s no cure except experience. I refuse to burn books, or people, that don’t say or do the “right” things. “But “we” don”t do it anymore!” You just haven’t convinced the State to do it for you yet again! The history of its tyranny over the mind, and the present yearning of Christain Nationalism for a godsdamned Christain Nation proves it! I’ll go my own way, and if there is a Christcuck He’ll then I’ll at least be me - not a manipulated, Spiritually Correctt puppet! Never again!

This boards walls of text of niggers saying absolutely goddamn nothing.

>>41183870
>I have given you an alternative way to read it which I do not see you considering. You seem to be arguing against what you've already refuted privately to your own satisfaction.
To clarify, I only mean that the message sent through the crucifixion isn't entirely clear to all given the variety of opinions held by Christians. I'm not arguing against any one particular interpretation.

I appreciate your answers though anon, thank you for your time.

>>41183914
No problem. Be well.

>>41183914
Fucking uptoked

What if God smoked cannabas

>>41183920
Shalom macaroni & sausage

>>41183701

Primary issue here is anything that relies too much on passivity, appeal to authority or does not encourage dealing with one´s own issues and responsibilities except for a surface level. Roughly put, that attitude kinda worked when we did not have the capabilities to wipe ourselves off the face of the planet but now ... eeeeeeh!! And my point here is not to instead push for some form of utopian new humanity like most of the idiots out there do, still following unconsciously the same logic that got us here. Cannot just impose some fancy new ruleset here. Either this evolves into something workable or it will be nothing but relabeling the old mess.

>>41183224
>Also tons of Muslims are converting to Christianity in the Middle East,

There is no evidence of this on a mass scale

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>Creators previous paths?

Black and white earlier do to linguistic safety? The share of context and concept

>>41183656
tl;dr

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>>41184124

monotheism is mindless

>>41183132
Put yourself, and your relationship with the gods and spirits first. Your connection with the numinous forces of this world will always be more important than the institutions we make to assist in that connection.
To keep these fuckers away from power, do everything you can to support people's ability to use their own conscience. This means making sure that violence and all forms of coersion are denied in discussion, or met with retaliation whenever used.
And when somebody's trying to force Christianity down your throat, keep a few atheist fedora-tipping oneliners on hand. Watching christcucks mald is funny.

>>41183188
Based on Islam.
Christianity though is at a state where it's entirely sustained by externalities. It'll be fine as long as governments, political parties, communities and individuals use it as a tool for validation but the moment they stop that religion is fucked. Even in your own example, people use Christianity as a way of distancing themselves from the soviets. Nobody gives a fuck about the theology because it hasn't been about theology for some 1700 years.

>>41183280
My guy the Romans made Christianity. Look up the First Council of Nicaea. The Roman emperors dictated what Christian teachings would be.

>>41184141
411 on that bb, gl rn's amiritt~~

>
Now play together nicely

>>41184143
Odd thing to equate Christianity with the same Romans who persecuted the early Christians including crucifying Christ himself and fed many of his later followers to the lions.

>>41184143
>My guy
Go back to Bluesky

>>41183132
So you are saying to kill all jews? Uhhh, based op????

>>41183132
>All the middle eastern countries used to have their own traditional clothes, music etc. but Islam wiped that all out.
we still have them modernity they mostly used in weddings due to modernism

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>>41183188
>they literally did 9/11 and killed thousands of innocent people.
your more retarded then both

>>41183224
>lso tons of Muslims are converting to Christianity in the Middle East,
not true
>so we could just show them Zoroastrianism or something since it's from there and say that it's the original.
the type of guy to leave islam is not the type that want to convert to something else
>Paganism/Atheism is already rising but slowly and not as fast as Christianity and Islam
i dont know about non arab Muslims but most pagan arabs are weirdo rejects

>>41183170
Lmao

>>41183442
Everytime I come across a Christian I am shocked at the level of retardation their beliefs descend to.

>Direct antithesis of Judaism

No. Judaism is a direct antithesis to the traditional civilizational pagan faiths - the idea of the cosmos emerging from chaos, the gods being a force of cosmic goodness maintaining and controlling a force of evil, religions based on self-discovery where the gods journey with man to find our meaning, one where the forces of nature are governed by good forces who want man to succeed and prosper.

Judaism undoes all of this by recasting chaos, disorder, the wild, etc. as "evil" and suggesting that evil is a byproduct of God which only God knows why it exists, that the gods themselves are evil for daring to maintain nature and not submitting to the Jewish god, that all knowledge is complete with the Jewish god and nothing else, and deracinating man from his culture by placing shackles on his soul, making man seem irredeemably evil by virtue of his connection to nature, which was deemed evil and fallen.

Christianity only continues these horrific psychologically destructive ideas, and then some, while making this crazy Jewish mythology the only exclusive way by which one could perceive God.

No. Its garbage and needs to be tossed away in favor of a more seasoned and mature, nuanced moral belief system

>>41183621
People wouldn't be killing each other over this backwaters part of the Roman Empire of billions of people didn't believe Jewish holy texts are holy writ.

>>41185087

Holy shit bro , I think this single handedly turned me off monotheism from the religious/institutional perspective

I wonder if there is such a thing as Pagan Monotheism , monotheism without institutional ideals?

>>41183141
>the truth
people are retarded

>>41183170
>Be god
>God "loves" you
>Creates jews and niggers
>Incarnation was probably ethnically jewish
Yeah I don't want his love. Hard pass.

>>41185129
I mean there's Neoplatonism which heavily influenced Christianity (and Kabbalistic Judaism) - while Neoplatonism traditionally is connected to the Greek gods, I don't think that Neoplatonism is bound up with one specific mythology (which is why Jews began using it with their mythology).

There was a great lecture from a practitioner of the Golden Dawn tradition on the topic of the mythology of the primordial / underworld, how in a sense the Old pagan religions personified the primordial chaotic forces as monstrous beings which the gods overthrew / subdued / cast into the underworld / hell realms to establish a civilized order, and there's a psychological / spiritual reality to this in regards to human civilization and the predators of nature, and how Christianity took advantage of this psychological reality by identifying the Old pagan gods as synonymous with these primordial forces (e.g., Lucifer is often depicted as a Roman god or wearing Caesarian attire in order to personify Ancient Rome as a primal uncivilized force of the underworld).

However, I've lost this video because Golden Dawn videos / lectures on YouTube have been polluted by schizophrenic Christian videos and AI slop.

>>41183141
Christianity sought the truth and the truth destroyed it.

>>41183170
I think Zoroastrianism teaches something along those lines too though.
>>41183132
A Buddhist/Pagan America would be surreal and lovely.

>>41183170
>loves humanity
>sends most humans to hell even though he's omnipotent and could easily stop that
Tough love?

>>41183442
Christianity doesn't. It just universalizes aspects of Judaism.

>>41185129
>Pagan Monotheism
Arguably some sects of Hinduism are like that.
They see Brahma as the only God who has many emanations.

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>>41183530
>>41183388
>>41183244
>doesn't mention judaism

>>41183132
In my opinion -- yes, if all of us will understand, that there are lot`s of different relegions in our world, that we we can choose lots of different types of Gods of every religion that exists and belive in it. Moreover we can create our own religion, our own God and believe in it and Him.

>>41183132
WHAT ABOUT JUDAISM, OP. YOU HAVE SUCH STRONG OPINIONS FOR THE OTHER TWO ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS. TELL US ABOUT JUDAISM.

>>41183132
Working on it!

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People use religion to fulfill two purposes
>getting community
Capitalism is extremely isolating, transactional and cutthroat, religion is one of the only ways to get a sense of community and belonging
>coping with injustice in life
if you're poor your whole life and see rich people living for 100 years while fucking children and getting fat on caviar while you die of cancer at 50 from work related reasons you get to cope by telling yourself that they'll go to hell and you'll go to heaven.

Religion is the opium of the masses in the sense that its there to ease the pain. If we lived in a society that doesn't consist of psychological torture for the poor, the poor would no longer need psychological fentanyl. There's a reason millionares push for religion even though they all act in ways that fit under the definition of satanism or at the very least mammon worship: it keeps them in power.

How to get rid of this shit? get rid of capitalism. Eventually all religion will just go away on its own once its no longer necessary for it to exist.

>>41186175
>How to get rid of this shit? get rid of capitalism
Worked for the Soviet Union and East Germany and Romania, etc.

>>41183132
Ark of witness just record that all abrahamics are based on an inversion set in place from when our galaxy was recorded and the heaven/hell's of them are false realms by cosmic law. So, the outcome is NULL for both. Harmonizing with the broader universe and flowing freely is the true space of ascension and that has been restored. That about completes the work the comets are doing. It will take years to fully manifest but yep. Your call has been answered. Cheers

>>41186175
>How to get rid of this shit? get rid of capitalism.
Religion predates capitalism, you dumb fuck.

>>41186190
> recorded = Collided with (theia/gaia).
The galaxy that slammed into our consumed its cosmic womb and corrupted ours. It's set for nullifcation now. The heaven of abrahamics was a hoped for false stasis realm of repetition so souls couldn't rise and flow freely throughout galaxies. It will be nullified too.

>>41183132
I notice you didnt say Judaism OP. Which is worse than Christianity or Islam by far

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>>41186191
Religion has been around whenever adversity had been around. Early humans needed to cope with not understanding anything about the world and seeing their friends get popped by sabertooths and shit. After hunter-gathering comes agriculture and the ability to accomulate wealth, and with that later comes slavism and feudalism. Two systems that have similar inequality as the one presented in capitalism. Capitalism is just one of many material conditions that create the need for a metaphysical cope: religion.
>>41186185
Obviously all of those fucked up. So what? marxism is understood as a science, if an experiment fails then we study how and why it failed instead of dogmatically entering denial or trying to say it wasn't actually a failure. Thanks for reminding me to read on those countries to better understand what they did wrong.

>>41186224
>Capitalism is just one of many material conditions that create the need for a metaphysical cope: religion.
If capitalism caused religion then capitalism would predate religion.

>>41186224
>Obviously all of those fucked up. So what?
Communism can't work from a utilitarian contentment perspecrive because of human nature. It could only work on a species that didn't even need a political system, and then it would be too fragile to survive in a chaotic environment such as those in reality.
>just share everything bro
Need totalitarianism to enforce it
>just genetically engineer people who want to share bro
They all die at the first hardship because they don't compete so some do well.

>>41186264
Read my post again? I didnt say capitalism is the cause of religion but that capitalism is one of many material conditions that create the need for the metaphysical cope that is religion. I'm not presenting capitalism as an exceptional thing that on its own cause religion. As long as people live miserable lives they'll have to convince themselves that theres a heaven. Given that capitalism is a class based system in which there'll always be a miserable slave bunch, it follows that there'll always be religion, as it did in slavery and feudalism.
>>41186266
>human nature
Read Hume. Muh human nature has been dunked on since before we even had photography. We have been convinced that rugged individualism is our nature when in reality we are conditioned to it due to living in a system based on competition.
>just share everything
Thats neither socialism nor communism. You dont know what either of those are.
>genetic engineering
Nobody is pushing for that at all.

>>41183132
[*Abrahamic religions will continue until moral improves*]
Lol

>>41183265
>Muslims would be harmless if it weren't for jews. They used to be straight up allies of the west until jews

t. pedophile worshipping goatfucker running cover for his brown brethren. Muslims have been a problem way before the siege of Toledo when they started working together

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Abrahamic religions have plunged the world in ignorance and constant conflict

>>41189121
Lmao. Sure, jew. You're worse. Keep crying for daddy usa to give you more money because you're running out of teenage tik tok soldiers. Hamas chads actually know how to fight, and they kill Soldiers. You kill children. Crybaby coward

>>41186204
Several anons already pointed this out. This is a dirty jew thread. Abrahamic religions would get along much better if jews weren't such babies. They are a bunch of crying babies with a military. Beyond pathetic. The shame of the whole world and yet nobody has the balls to do something about them

>>41183132
If you want to destroy religion, you need science.
Until you realize that, you are at best a distraction, and most likely only want to peddle your own form of mental slavery.

>>41189601
>we were always at war with eurasia

>>41189653
Science and philosophy mingle at some point
Both are discovery

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>>41183704
>If you do not believe humans are tainted by sin I simply invite you to examine our history. Or examine yourself, if you are honest.
Not my problem.

If the creator is so dogshit at creating that he creates a defective creation then tells it to go against the programming he himself gave it (which he is saying is wrong), keeps us in the dark, won't talk to us, won't help us, just watches on as the evilest people rule the world then how is that our fault and not the creators?
If I create something and it doesn't do what I set out to do it who is at fault? The thing I myself created or the created thing which is simply functioning by the parameters I gave it?
If it is fucked up, the fault lies with the creator, so spare me with all that 'humans are evil' bullshit. We do what is in our nature. If our default nature is evil and not good then that's how we were designed.

Then, this fuckup creator doesn't accept the blame himself, no, he blames and punishes us for the mistakes he made. How can he be omnipotent omniscient and omnipresent yet still make glaringly obvious mistakes such as the ones he has made? That's not a glowing review fucking up at the very first hurdle.

So then according to christianity, the parameters for salvation are accepting the story of christ.
Well, I did at one point but now I don't, and I'll tell you why.
If you know anything about the world you'll know that it's full of lies. Our history is rife with lying bullshit that the rulers of today have made up, because he who controls the past controls the future.
I stopped believing in Jesus because of somebody on this very board when I was extremely militant that he existed and do you know why? It'll blow your mind. Because of Napoleon. Oh yes, you're reading that right, I stopped believing in Christ because of Napoleon.
Napoleon who we all learned about and didn't question it... isn't even real. He never existed. He's yet another caricature of the sun, like Jesus.

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>>41189663
Discovery is indeed the precise point of most mingling.

The universe can be imagined as a process of seeing what it is capable of, and continually pushing the limits of what it can possibly do in the process. Over the last few decades the sciences have described a trend in the universe's history towards "greater complexity," which means "depths of interactions and possibilities of forms." Very early on the universe was too hot for even atoms to form, and phenomenon were capable of only the simplest kinds of interactions. When the universe expanded and cooled enough for atoms to form, all the possibilities of chemistry, stars, and galaxies emerged. The universe was categorically transformed. The first stars forged heavier elements that didn't exist before, making rocky planets like Earth possible, which made the emergence of life possible, which made the evolution of consciousness possible.

According to modern sciences the universe is not at all like a machine, but a creative process that continually enhances its ability to create, a symphony of co-creators with no ultimate destination or final aim, only the endless exploration of mutual existence together.

Curiosity, our urge to create, explore, discover, connect, love, and understand is an extension of this aconscious "Eros of the universe." That childhood awe and wonder from learning about the world that comes from appreciating its beauty and meaning is the true spiritual impulse, and it is the purity of this impulse that gives science its power - that drives it towards such diligent clarity.

What happens if you take the question mark as a sacred symbol?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWnA4XLrMWA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxVVm75k_8Q

>>41186433
>Thats neither socialism nor communism. You dont know what either of those are.
No, they're the hippie dream of communism. Real socialism and communism are totalitarianism, because you have to prevent private enterprise everywhere.

>>41189724
Now let's assume that nobody knows what they're doing and we're all trying to figure it out together, and it's really hard and easily goes sideways because nobody even knows where to begin.
The question then becomes "How the hell is shit even this functional? Why hasn't everything exploded yet due to systemic incompetence?"

We're just an explosion that is determined to keep on exploding because it is already exploding.
The only thing carrying us forwards is momentum.
This is literally the most basic physical fact.
And look at how far it's gotten.
I mean holy shit.

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>>41189724
And here's another thing I want anybody reading to ponder on.
If the god of christianity is indeed the true god then he is without question the most evil, wicked, truly sadistic entity in all of existence.
If you ask any christian how many will be saved, the answer they all give is in the low single digit percentile, correct? You know it is.
In that case the 'gift' of life is anything but a gift, it's a curse.
>Be given life without having any say in the matter, you just show up here in these suits of pain
>Then be told you need to do something that is so hard that out of the billions of people who have ever lived, you need to do something that only a tiny fraction has managed to succeed at.
>If you fail at this test (who even asked to come here and take part in this test? People just want to enjoy life, not fucking be at war with themselves and have to behave and earn good boy points with a god that put us in this forsaken predicament in the first place) then you are punished in one way or another, the kind and benevolent god doesn't gently help you or correct you or renew you or any of that, naw he tosses your ass in the fucking garbage for not meeting his ridiculous expectations and (depending on what you believe) either tortures you forever after death (same god who preaches to forgive your enemies btw but can't do the same for you, totally not hypocritical) by supernaturally keeping you alive with all of your pain receptors fully intact or he annihilates you and makes you cease to exist or he reincarnates you, wipes your fucking memories so you can't learn shit from the previous life, puts you back in the same situation (or a worse one depending on what life you incarnate into) and expects you to achieve a different result.

Nah man, I don't buy it. If I logically think on this shit there's too much that doesn't fit into place as it should. There's no benevolence here, only evil.

>>41189811
Read through the top of the thread friend
And contend what you can

>>41189752
>we're all trying to figure it out together
>someone figures it out
>they're popularly ignored because it's taken as just another opinion in the sea of opinions
>we're all trying to figure it out together
And so on.

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>>41190183
Then someone comes along and says "And I can demonstrate it, and you can confirm it by repeating the demonstration."
Science is born.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_HroTxaZe0

>>41185087
This
>Ancient, non-Jewish religions generally believe in a higher, impersonal principle from which personal gods emanate
>These religions are all capable of coexisting with each other and engaging in comparative dialogue to find common, shared truths, not to mention tremendous feats in natural science and mathematics
>Jews (who, as recent research has shown, have an incredibly high disposition to schizophrenia) instead insist that the absolute is a personal god who tells them to murder infants and mutilate their penises
>One of many failed Jewish messianic movements becomes popular and spreads to gentiles, telling them that humanity is depraved and won't be saved unless they submit to the Jewish god
>they even acknowledge that this system is foolish by the standards of philosophy, so they need to just blindly believe in nonsensical claims no matter what (or else they will never be saved)
>Arabs take this Jewish system and modify it through a totalitarian pedophile warlord, which calls for the total destruction of the non-Jewish religions in favor of complete submission to the "word of God" and the conduct of that same pedophilic warlord
>Any thought that aims to go beyond the confines of the Quran and the Hadiths gets smeared as "innovation"
>Most of the world becomes consumed by the two Jewish religions aimed for gentiles, ironically causing the original Jews to be fucked over again and again (lmao)
>Mankind suffers through thousands of years of Jewish schizophrenia until their secularized offspring, liberalism and Marxism, take their universalism and messianic understanding of history and place them into a secular context
>Now Christians and Muslims bitch about our modern, atheistic world as if they weren't the ones directly responsible for wiping out all the religions capable of being reconciled with open inquiry and measured doubt

>>41183265
>Muslims would be harmless if it weren't for jews
lol
>They used to be straight up allies of the west until jews
lmao even

>>41186433
>as it did in slavery and feudalism
And communism. Right?

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>>41183244
>the abrahamic final boss that spawned the two spin off franchises. Gotta go for the root and cut it off like they cut off forskins.

>>41190857
>Then someone comes along and says "And I can demonstrate it, and you can confirm it by repeating the demonstration."
>Science is born.
Don't be a nerd. If gods don't want proof, there won't be proof. Quantum physics is their realm for example and we can't predict it.

>>41183188
<da moslens did 9/11

Lmfao no one buys your shit, butthurt faggot KIKE