Federico Faggin, the guy who created the first commercial microprocessor, claims that your consciousness is not inside your body, but inside a quantum field. Your thoughts, emotions, all of it, do not originate in the brain, but in a field that talks with it, and then the brain translates as nervous sensations. This is an admission by a scientist that other planes do exist, and we are just at the tip of the iceberg. What is your take on this, /x/? Is our reality like a computer simulation where we are just moving a physical body like a puppet? Or such things are just delusions of the mind and we are only larping meatbags?
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>>41188847>This is an admission by a scientist that other planes do existWhat other planes exactly?
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>>41188847a field i just a region in which the defined rules unfold, it dosent say its some other dimension. >This is an admission by a scientist that other planes do existno it isnthere ill say it - the consciousness field is the logos is the earth.
>>41188854It is not about believing, but discussing the subject. It is pretty evident thoughts are not tangible like matter is. >>41188913The field could be in another dimension, since it is invisible. In fact, anything invisible and intangible could be considered another dimension of sorts. I'm not talking about alternate timelines.
>>41188944could be in another dimension =/= an admission by a scientist that other planes do exist..........
>>41188951True, but that is open to interpretation. The field can't be located in time, so we can interpret it as another dimension.
>>41188944>It is pretty evident thoughts are not tangible like matter is.also not that guy but - you may not be able to touch a thought but i trust you can hold one? fingerist
>>41188955>The field can't be located in timey? all spacetime would be the ideal place to find it.
>>41188847>some guy who did a thing we rely on has some ideas about something completely unrelated>discussPersonally, I think we should ask more drunk hobos about the meaning of life, instead of highly specialized cogs in the machine.>>41188944>It is pretty evident thoughts are not tangible like matter is.No, it's not. You cannot prove a negative. It is impossible to prove that thoughts are non-material. Further, we know that brain activity strongly correlates with stimuli and qualia and thus very likely with thoughts as well, which means thoughts are material effects. Unless you claim that lightning or thunder aren't material either, I guess, which I suppose you might.>The field could be in another dimensionYou don't even know what a dimension actually is.
>>41188847>fagginGuy probably takes it up the ass by niggers
>>41188963I was talking about dimension as a plane of existence, that cant be aprehended by the five bodily senses, not as a part of spacetime. >It is impossible to prove that thoughts are non-materialBut they are non-material, else anything you think would become matter and able to be touched, smelled, etc. Still you can only see it, that is, only vision can have a relationship to it, not the other four senses. Are images material for you?
>>41188975>But they are non-material, else anything you think would become matter and able to be touched, smelled, etso many assumptions you have to stack to think this... why do you think the innertia of your thoughts exsists in isolation... espically if your posting in the conciouse field thread... they dont, to manifest matter with thought you have to outweight all the thoughts And memory in the logos on what material is and how it comes about.... lets try a nice easy one, define consciousness, if you dont know what it is finding it, ie figuring out where it is, is impossible.
I disagree, not because I am particularly knowledgeable in the subject, but because despite what my consciousness responds to, I still cannot separate myself from this body. Meaning that I live and exist in this body, and I am not possessed by a consciousness located somewhere else. Otherwise I would be able to ignore the mismatch of my body's sex and my identity's perceived gender.
>>41188994And if that were the case, where consciousness were located elsewhere and able to just transfer in and out bodies like that, I would have just selected an ideal body instead of going through this situation.
>>41188989Consciousness is focus and awareness. But we can't define what focus and awareness are, unless as a opposite of being unconscious. And we can't define what unconsciousness is either, except as a absence of consciousness. So how do we define it? I only know that consciousness can't be located in time. You have situation in time, but consciousness is outside it.
>>41188994>the mismatch of my body's sex and my identity's perceived genderWould not be that this mismatch actually proves your consciousness is not inside your body?
>>41189002awareness - conclusion without the latency of thinking ie confusionfocus - the center of ones attention presentlyconciousness - a body in motion with the potential for self reference.>I only know that consciousness can't be located in timewhy do you keep saying this?>nd we can't define what unconsciousness is either,you only think this because you define consciousness as 2 undefinable - this is probably why you wont say how you know where this thing you cant say what is doesnt exist anywhere known.unconsciousness - a body in motion without self reference or self reference without a body in motionps.... guess what emotions do :D eeeeeeeeeee
>>41189022>conclusion without the latency of thinking ie confusionThats instinct, not awareness. >a body in motion with the potential for self referenceThat would be awareness. Awareness is not consciousness. >why do you keep saying this?Because it is not ontologically viable to have consciousness inside time. Inside time you only have situational awareness, which is not consciousness per se. Else you would not daydream, you would not have imagination and pastimes.
>>41189044>Thats instinct, not awareness.no, it would depend on what catalogue of awareness your referencing. when you articulated your hands to capatolize the t in Thats you didnt have to stop and think of how hard to depress the keys to achieve your desired result, this is not a result of inbuilt knowledge you are born with ie instinct, its the result of trial and error ratifed to a conclusion referenced without the latency of pausing to think about the key depression process.>That would be awareness.again no, your bad at being definitive, the latency of the reference process would determine awareness vs thinking.>Awareness is not consciousness.i agree, your error is defining all self reference as latency free. consciousness is a body in motion with the potential for self reference... not awareness, hency your mistake in concluding>Inside time you only have situational awareness, which is not consciousness per setell me one of your day dreams with no worldly references of any variety?
>>41189074>the latency of the reference process would determine awareness vs thinkingBoth are part of consciousness, but aren't consciousness itself. >when you articulated your hands to capatolize the t in Thats you didnt have to stop and think of how hard to depress the keys to achieve your desired resultOf course not, because it is instinctual, it is automatic. Animals are also on automatic, but how much awareness do they have? They can have a lot of spatial awareness, but their time awareness is limited. They dont daydream though, their memory is also limited to a certain extant. So they aren't as conscious as they are aware. They act purely on instinct, but can't use reason. The self-reference would be consciousness, the body in motion is awareness.
>>41189403im not saying awareness and thinking are consciousness itself... ive been quite clear what im saying consciousness is and i didnt mention awareness or thought.....there are instincts you are aware of that are automatic ie latency free, but not all awareness is instinctual, learning to type at a keyboard is most certainly not a natural human instinct... > its the result of trial and error ratified to a conclusion referencedoh and space time exists to facilitate ops consciousness field, my brother in christ you have dissociative schizophrenia - this is why you think the thing that you are but cant say what is exists elsewhere then anywhere or any when you know exists, this is okay, you will eventually ratify the confusion of this thinking with awareness - its instinctual for you to do so :D
>>41189583>not all awareness is instinctualThis dont contradict what I said. I said awareness and instinct are two different things. Instinct is part of awareness, but not the other way around. Doing something without latency is instinct. You doing it automatic, because the memory of the body is instinctual, so you dont need to think to do it. This is awareness, but doing something with latency (that is, thinking before doing it) is also awareness, but non-instinctual. However, both are not consciousness itself. A body in motion with the potential for self reference is awareness, and this includes both action with latency and action without latency. The self reference itself is consciousness. When a dog dont jump from some height he is conscious he will be hurt if he does. This dont mean he is conscious all the time. If the dog is given a piece of raw meat he will act mostly unconsciously in order to eat it, ignoring even if his owner is in danger. If he is trained, he is not going to do this, because training increased his consciousness, as he will be self aware he is doing something wrong. So consciousness comes from a field of information, not from the animals brain. We can apply this to your christ as well. He is not tangible, he is a thoughtform, so you dont reach for him instinctually, you have some latency to do so, you have to pray and focus on his image. This means you are applying information to it, and becoming self-aware when doing so. This means the consciousness of the thoughtform comes from a field of information, a quantum field.
>>41188970>sees vaguely homosexual word out of context>immediately thinks of anal sex with niggersAnon...
>>41189690>So consciousness comes from a field of informationthis is just a fancy way of saying the region in which the rules of information exchange took place. you wanna pretend its some timeless other dimension cause saying quantum field makes you feel smart, but the dog was trained by the main probably in their back yard, you were trained to use a keyboard in probably an office or school, not a timeless extra dimension obfuscated in contuse terse.AND it is not training that makes you consciousness its moving forward [in time] past the instance in which you were trained well carrying your Memory of your training as reference, not an unknowable untouchable timeless other.
>>41189690>But we can't define what focus and awareness are, unless as a opposite of being unconscious.>you have to pray and focus on his image. This means you are applying information to it, and becoming self-aware when doing so.also help me rectify these statements, by your definitions. when you pray and do anything that is not unconsciousness on the image of Christ your applying information thus becoming self anything that is not unconscious. to you this means that awareness and focus ie anything not unconsciousness come from the region in which information exchange and quantum effects occur. how is this NOT space time?!>located in time, so we can interpret it as another dimension>This dont contradict what I said.im not trying to your doing it yourself, im just pointing it out
>>41189817You are mistaking the training for the memory, anon. Are you sure I'm the one with dissociative schizophrenia? The field of information is what others would call the memory dimension, or the mental plane. Scientists call it a quantum field because it is related to quantum mechanics, which works differently from the "classical" mechanics, which is materialistic. The dog has acquired memory, he is now accessing the field, he gained consciousness. Before he only had awareness, but acted unconsciously. Animals are most of the time controlled by their digestive systems. A rational being, however, can endure not eating for a long time if doing something rational. It is not fancy, it is just another way to aprehend information. It is like what happens when two inventors invent the same device at the same time period, but separated by a long distance. This happened a lot in the 19th century. >>41189858It can't be located in space, nor in time, so it is outside of these dimensions. We call another dimension for convenience. See the case of the dog, he use electrical impulses in the brain to remember his training, but the information of the training itself is not in his brain. Else he would have consciousness before it. Normally we would assume he would protect his owner without training, when facing a piece of meat, because of affection, but he doesn't remember it when the meat is there. He only remember after training. The training gave him consciousness enough in order to tame his digestive system at that specific moment his owner is in danger.
>>41188847what difference does it make one way or the other? none whatsoever if we're talking daily life. question is why are you getting your panties in a twist over it?
>>41189888We are in /x/ anon. This is a schizo neighborhood. For daily life go to /adv/.
>>41189874define a field.>Before he only had awareness, but acted unconsciouslybut awareness is anything not unconscious to youis rationality an instinct or the result of training?>It can't be located in space, nor in time, so it is outside of these dimensionsyouve failed to demonstrate this in any capacity.a field is the region in which the rules of the fields name describe, an information field is the region in which the rules of information exchange occure, a quantom field is the region in which quantom rules occure, a memory field is the region in which the rules of memory occur. your 19th century inventors only demonstrate the efficacy of standardized information exchange and training, yUno into swarm logistics, oh right you prefer undefinitive magical thinking....like here for example >but the information of the training itself is not in his brain. the information of the training occurred in the time space and manner in which the man trained the dog... this is where the information field of the dogs training occurs, and its why you wont define a field... (the region in which the rules of x occur) because if you do you cant say its not located in space or time anymoremore over why do you even think a dog being trained by a man equates to a man learning and mastering the use of a key bored with out pausing to think about finger articulations? my metaphor wasn't about taring, it was about awareness.. the fruits of successful training.
>>41189965A field is a quantified spatial represention of something. This does not mean this something is inside space and time. You've failed to understand the point raised here, where it is demonstrated that information can't be located inside space and time, but it is outside it, in a infinite field of consciousness. We call it a field because it is a way to interpret it, but it is infinite. You are mistaking the history of the training of the dog for the information accessed by the dog. They are two different things. History is not information, it is a memory of an event that can be located in space and time. Information itself is a memory of the instruction or knowledge acquired by the dog. The event and the knowledge are two different things.
>>41190018>spatial>space>spatial dose not mean of spaceyou went full retard.>You've failed to understand the point raised hereye> where it is demonstrated that information can't be located inside space and time, but it is outside it,calling a dog being trained by a man a spatial representation of something dose not demonstrate this.>We call it a field because it is a way to interpret it, but it is infinite.>A field is a quantified spatial representationdem quantified infinities>The event and the knowledge are two different things.you can only make this statment because you have ignorantly changed from discussing the information field to information, history (the present and the future) are the information field in totality, the region in which the rules of all information exchange take placeyour knowledge of anything, be it history, typing or not gouging yourself on meat when your master requires you.... are information.. ie that which is in formed... ie formed within....
>>41190101I didnt change anything, you did. You are changing the point of view to a materialistic notion of space because it is convenient for you, so you mix information about knowledge with information about events (history) which are two distinct categories. The animal does not remember pictures of him being trained by his master, because animals cant imagine or visualize stuff. He only remembers the knowledge, which is a different type of memory. The event itself is only remembered by his master.
>>41190134>You are changing the point of view to a materialistic notion of space becausen it is convenient for youa substantial point of view is the opposite of convince heres a coinvent point of view - consciousness is anything thats not unconsciousness that exsists in a spatial something thats not spatial time because dogs think in knowing and computer men just say so !>The event itself is only remembered by his master.your evidence?
>>41188847It goes around electromagnetism and gravity/space-time, and magnetism being something about spins and those quantum things. Consciousness and spirit goes around those "fields".Think something like consciousness is how you spin and how you change your spin and it's still a physical thing but how do you change your spin can be quantum apparently random if you still respect the rules and conditions of spins.
>>41190134>more over why do you even think a dog being trained by a man equates to a man learning and mastering the use of a key bored with out pausing to think about finger articulations?you failed to answer this, more over, when your hypothetically instinctually denied dog trains his master in the burning slaugher house and he ignores the delicious carcass to save daddy, dose his mouth water?heres another, when you capitolized Thats with out stopping to think of the finger articulations required to produce the word, did you have to stop and spell it out in your head or was the process of dictation also rectified or /rollseyes instinctual (your know born knowing how to spell That dog) as you would say?
>>41190242If there is a torus field around and inside Earth, then a torus field might be around and inside our bodies as well. As above, so below.
>>41188847the physical is a sort of fake abstraction, it is only emergent from consciousness and is not absolute."physical" death is just parting from that illusion.
>>41190269dem reciprocal gets.. what do you suppose it would mean if a em field shaped like a torus was generated by a material resisting the flow of a preexisting external electrical current?
>>41190323Something like the torus is a container in motion that does not diverge because it constricts itself autonomously by the type of motions it has?
>>41190269Morphogenesis of reality, seen as a fractal process of information unfolding, either (bottom up) from an implicate order frequency domain (below) up to the Planck scale, producing elementary particles, atoms, life molecules for the build-up of whole structure of the cells and organs such as the brain. All elements are proposed to be equipped with a toroidal memory workspace (consciousness) in a scale invariant manner. Universal information processing finally results in a black hole/white hole structure that (top-down) transmits information for the fabric of reality, thereby constituting a circular (rebound) mode of our universe (for bidirectional information flow, see large arrows at the two sides of the figure).
>>41188859Think of the totality of your experience, all the good and bads, and i mean all of it, choices you made AND didnt make (this is important) because this would the subset of YOUR existence as a fraction of the subset of the COLLECTIVE existence. Think Russian nesting dolls, you can literally get deeper about this philosophically because its almost a literal representation, your parents, lineage can be seen as a subset of something greater than you and so on and so on.If you could somehow access the totality of your existence, which is a really unjust way to explain it/state it, as words like fragmented arise if we consider what these ideas even imply, because like what is YOU or the Essence behind that individuality? I attribute to a soul but again complicated thing to even consider for one, and two even harder to describe something that can be commonly felt/understood, anyways point is if somehow i had a top down view of the total subset of my existence, it would be what i consider the point of the OPs thing but idk i just schizopost my view here and thats what i would consider a possible thingy. But theres a lot of implications about passing the torch and trust because of measurent bias when you get into it, and you could lose your mind honestly, but yeah its craazzzyyyyy to think about what that level of access would do to anyone.
>>41190470Thanks for your opinion, anon.>you can literally get deeper about this philosophicallyIs there a term for this in philosophy?
>>41190470Sounds like proof for manifestation and the whole "I AM" thing, that existence is already done and you're choosing what to experience in "time"
Albireo, Piano Concerto for Quantum Mechanics, Tachyon, Solid of Revolution...
>>41188970>>41189694>sees, "faggin">calls it, "vaguely homosexual word">calls out anonAnon...
>>41188994I left my body before, you're wrong.
>>41188847I mean people can actualize ideas, but this is true as well: closer to more true without discounting the instrument that is humans. Sometimes though that's the absolute truth. Any version of metaphysics that isn't about our interaction with God is basically wrong.
>>41188847He also invented the touchpad. I think he received the information subconsciously from the aliens like many scientists did. He then had some enlightening experience with "love". That's what people experience with supposedly positive oriented aliens.
>>41188970It's an Italian surname you fag, because he's Italian
>>41193377>GodStopped reading there.
>>41188847how in the do you extrapolate from this claim that reality is le matrix chungus simulation? What's the connection, elaborate. Sounds like a huge leap to me
>>41193390Slavic/balkan italian from veneto region, not weird if you met people with similar names from balk stock(lots of french, welsh, irish, cornish, spanish and portuguese have this too)...
>Fagginhe's faggin' alright
>>41190269I posted some of this on the last thread here but ...Anything with an electric charge (like our bodies) produces an EM field. No one disputes this, however the human biofield is seldom talked about, probably because darpa already heavily researched it and doesn't really want that info in the public domain.If you're interested in defining the how and where electrostatic and magnetic fields exist in relation to physical space, Eric P Dollard is likely the best source, unless you're inclined to read lengthy ass books from the turn of the last century yourself.Eileen McKusick has and does clinical studies and research on the human biofield. She actually went back to school as an adult to get an MS just so people would take her research seriously. Shes worth checking out if you're interested. She uses tuning forks to manipulate human biofields, however light, radio, etc...all have effects as well, like any other em field. She claims the human biofield extends out from humans in 6 foot radius toroid (like the pic in the OP) and that memories/trauma are stored in a descending fashion from oldest to newest, with newest being closest to the body.
>>41195397Interesting, I will check their work in Anna's Archive. Too much sliding happening in the board, unfortunatelly.
>>41188847Le'dem old Rafiki tell ye a seecret naw:You look up to the sky, what you can see is the other end of your consciousness. You look down your own consciousness, what you can see is the other end of the sky.
