This is what no asura/demon wants you to know...God/Isvara totally and immaculately controls E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G...down to the plank unit.It's rather ironic that having free will is not a matter of personal choice. Think about it...how can you choose to have free will without having free will in the first place? Free will is the requisite to make a choice, which literally directly means it under no circumstance can be chosen to be had. Having free will (or rather the illusion thereof) must be bestowed upon you from an external source...and what is the source of everything? God!The apex ultimate manifestation of maya (The LORD's "weapon") is thinking one can act independently apart from God...
>>41194952Funny you mention Asura, Krishna in the Rigveda is an Asura. He's only barely mentioned in one hymn.He's a trickster.
>>41194963El oh El I love that one verse in S.B. where he tells the nude Gopi's to take thier hands of thier titties and salute the water goddess! Krshna is indeed the GOAT trickster! Not low-key (loki) lol!
"Cause and Effect" aka "Causality" is 1000% irrefutable. Actions have reactions, inputs result in output, things in the past for certain have led up to now. Because every effect has a cause, there must be...a First/Initial Cause. The First Cause (God btw) is Eternal because if something/anything came before it chronologically speaking it wouldn't (semantically) be "The First Thing"...Originless OriginCauseless CauseEtc...That is what God is...The Source of All.
>>41194952You cucks do know we have an entire board where theology is an allowed and encouraged topic of conversation, right? >>>/his/
>>41194952God is pure, unconditional love, and unconditional love can not exist without free will.
when it is time for me to die there is absolutely nothing anyone will be able to do about it. This is the nature of all things.
>>41195339Amazing read. Thank you for sharing!
[My Strength] + [God's Strength] > [God's Strength] [My Occupied Space] + [God's Occupied Space] > [God's Occupied Space]The above "math equations" are both false because nothing is stronger or more ubiquitous than God. The "strength equation" demonstrates that Omnipotence means *only* God has power to do anything, and no "strength" is seperate and independent from His own.Secondly is the matter of Omnipresence. God is (in non-dual/advaita/etc.) The Sole Existent. God is such a singularity that even Existence itSelf *is* God and God is not distinct as merely "a thing within existence".~IPSUM ESSE~
>>41194952Actually that's what it wants you to think. We're creating our own demise without knowing it or else we wouldn't do what it wants. That's how the Internet and memes work.
>>41194952Have you ever wondered, even for a second, why almost every religion condemns the entity or individual that seeks a path of independence?Who is actually writing the books?
>>41194952Everything may be predetermined.
>>41195000BASED!
>>41195578Entering the Kali yuga. We destroy ourselves to get there.
Free will is the illusion of agency. We're at the mercy of astrology and genes until we enter into the Kali Yuga. We destroy ourselves to get there. Lots of people are going to die. That's what the whole final battle at the end of the cycle is sbout.It's also the new age of heroes and the titans are released from Tartarus. Going to be epic. Hang on to your dicks and tits.
>>41195802We're already in Kali Yuga no? What's crazy to think about is we are sub 2% into The Iron Age. That's like saying if the Kali Yuga is a 500 page sastra we literally just barely finished reading the introduction...The centerpiece of the yuga I feel will be the deterioration of the artificially fabricated illusion of peace and the ubiquitous realization among mankind that there is an eternally ongoing singular interdimensional, interuniversal, intergalactic and interplanetary conflict known as The Only War. Good vs. Evil is the plotline to all reality, and humanity (aware or not) is already factionalized. The Aliens(tm) already know which side every last human is on, and pretty soon they're gonna hand out "the team jerseys"...
>>41194963Asuras and Devas switch sides pretty often, but Krishna is El that is GOD since forever!
>>41195000Why did you take the name of El (Krishna)
>>41194952I always find it interesting that people can believe in free will and mind control at the same time.TMS therapy has already been demonstrated to fundamentally change people. As have hypnotists and psyops. You can put chemicals in your brain (drugs) that can uproot your entire reality and make you do shit like scoot across a Denny's parking lot whooping.Brain injuries and tumors. Rare *genetic* mental disorders, brain parasites, gut bacteria.Your personality, your intelligence; are so fragile and malleable that it could be argued every choice you make is influenced by the magnetic field. I have raised animals, I raised two goats in the same way. One of them was kind, and the other was an asshole. I didn't give them any reason to be kind or mean, they just were.No-one understands this though, it's like talking to a brick wall. People don't want to believe the world is unfair because humans have a natural abhorrence to unfairness; and an unfair world is not one people would want to live in.
You Indians are so fucking stupid. This is the most retarded shit I have ever seen on this board God damn.
>>41195999>This is the most retarded shit I have ever seen on this boardThat can't be true
>>41195999You must be strongly trippin' if you think Sanatana Dharma is going anywhere. Every scientist worth a shit (einstien, shrödinger, oppenheimer, etc.) swears on The Vedas.
>>41194952Yes I already know that everything is scripted. So I don't understand what sin these Asura are trying to convict me of. Or rather they're just trying to steal my energy.
>>41196015>how can you choose free will without having free will in the first placeIf you don’t see how utterly retarded this line of thinking is, you are also retarded.Tell me anon, how did you choose to be alive if you weren’t alive in the first place? The OP has to be Indian because even niggers are better at logic than this.
>>41194952Religion is the Demonic psyop. Df. Freewill is your ability to make your own decisions.
>>41195934All those ages from different time keeping over lap. I think the Kali yuga starts when the savior appears and the tribulation is happening. These two events overlap. Supernatural phenomenon will be absolutely wild by then. So we'll all know for sure when. It's the new age of heroes. At least this is how I've come to understand it.Good thread op.
>>41195934>The centerpiece of the yuga I feel will be the deterioration of the artificially fabricated illusion of peace and the ubiquitous realization among mankind that there is an eternally ongoing singular interdimensional, interuniversal, intergalactic and interplanetary conflict known as The Only War.Good vs. Evil is the plotline to all reality, and humanity (aware or not) is already factionalized. The Aliens(tm) already know which side every last human is on, and pretty soon they're gonna hand out "the team jerseys"...Yeah that seems right to me.
>>41196317Oops. Fucked that response up but yeah I agree.
>>41194952there's no such thing as free will on this planet after GOD gave the demons he created complete dominion over the planet. we're steered, controlled and programmed by these powers-that-be. the bible is nothing but jewish propaganda
>>41196192You're argument against me ironically proves my point even further. We don't even choose any aspect of our lives before it (parents, birth location, etc.), so what makes you think we have choice within it? "People" like you literally go around thinking you can choose anything, when your literal life itself is 1000% involuntary (much like the posession of the belief in free agency)
Can the knife cut itself?Can you see your own eyes?
How do you reconcile No Free Will with the concepts of Karma and Justice?
>>41196211You must really hate your True Self then, which is Consciousness, because the only religion worth a shit in this wretched world is Sanatana Dharma (the only religion based on consciousness itself). I know for absolute certain athiests hate reality in totality with a militant passion, and without fail don't even have a brain synapse of understanding about the true/inherent nature of existence (especially thier own). Run up fiat currency and get my winky touched is all your kind think about. To hate God is to hate Consciousness, and if you had an IQ above single digit you'd realize they are interchangeable terms.
>>41196542Karma ("action") is, along with the entire Hindu faith, based on the infallible principle of causality. Cause and Effect, Action and Result/Reaction, and Sewing and Reaping are deterministic in nature. It's akin to endless dominoes falling or an infinite VHS tape playing. True Consciousness is also non-agentic because it lacks form/shape/edge and therefore it can't act upon anything. Justice is a natural consequence/result/response to certain actions/karma.
Isn't Krishna an avatar of Vishnu?
>>41196653Then no one's guilty. If that's the case, then why are some punished as though they willingly commited great sin? Like in Calvinism, Krishna knows who is going to hell before they even exist.
>>41196706Yes! Numero #8.My personal favorite Avatar of Vishnu is Buddha...holy fuck teaching athiesm and "no self" (anatman) as a religion just to decieve demons and evil/shitty people is fucking hilarious!
>>41196784Atman (true self) is exempt from everything because it is uninteractable. Justice only applies to Jivas
>>41196457Oh God you are retarded. The argument I made is that things can happen that you didn’t choose. You didn’t choose to have free will or be born. They are still given to you. I can understand how you think otherwise since you are streetshitter. Not all people are replaceable bugs.
>>41195955Indra/Rudra is the Supreme one. He's a direct emanation of the FORCE. The aryans conquered everything with the knowledge of mastering that secret power.Krishna/Vishnu (a Manlet spawned from Rudra, who couldn't even be a member of the Maruts) are abstract entities. Their cult became popular thanks to the parasitic Brahmin class. Aka bunch of constipated pacifists.
>>41196784They are punished for being passive "law-abiding" slaves instead of defending Dharma through BATTLE.God hates the slaves. Rig-Veda, Book 6 Index Previous HYMN LXXV. Weapons of War.1. THE warrior's look is like a thunderous rain-cloud's, when, armed with mail, he seeks the lap of battle.Be thou victorious with unwounded body: so let the thickness of thy mail protect thee.2 With Bow let us win kine, with Bow the battle, with Bow be victors in our hot encounters.The Bow brings grief and sorrow to the foeman: armed with the Bow may we subdue all regions.3 Close to his car, as fain to speak, She presses, holding her well-loved Friend in her embraces.Strained on the Bow, She whispers like a woman-this Bowstring that preserves us in the combat.4 These, meeting like a woman and her lover, bear, mother-like, their child upon their bosom.May the two Bow-ends, starting swift asunder, scatter, in unison, the foes who hate us.5 With many a son, father of many daughters, He clangs and clashes as he goes to battle.6 Upstanding in the Car the skilful Charioteer guides his strong Horses on whithersoe’er he will.See and admire the strength of those controlling Reins which from behind declare the will of him who drives.7 Horses whose hoofs rain dust are neighing loudly, yoked to the Chariots, showing forth their vigour,With their forefeet descending on the foemen, they, never flinching, trample and destroy them.8 Car-bearer is the name of his oblation, whercon are laid his Weapons and his Armour.So let us here, each day that passes, honour the helpful Car with hearts exceeding joyful.9 In sweet association lived the fathers who gave us life, profound and strong in trouble,Unwearied, armed with shafts and wondrous weapons, free, real heroes, conquerors of armies.
>>41198028But it's not like they choose to be slaves. They have no free will. Why hate something that just is?
>>41198155They chose to be slaves by praying to be good little lambs instead of chanting ancient hymns that embraces the divine sport of the Vedas, war.1. I WILL sing near, for grace, your God Agni, for he is good to us. Son of the Brands, may he give gifts, and, righteous, save us from the foe.2. For be is true, whom men of old enkindled, and the Gods themselves, The Priest with the delicious tongue, rich with the light of glorious beams.3. With wisdom that surpasseth all, with gracious will most excellent, O Agni, worthy of our choice, shine wealth on us through hymns of praise.4. Agni is King, for he extends to mortals and to Gods alike. Agni is bearer of our gifts. Worship ye Agni with your thoughts.5. Agni gives to the worshipper a son, the best, of mightiest fame, Of deep devotion, ne'er subdued, bringer of glory to his sire.6. Agni bestows the hero-lord who conquers with the men in fight. Agni bestows the fleet-foot steed, the victor never overcome.7. The mightiest song is Agni's: shine on high, thou who art rich in light. Like the Chief Consort of a King, riches and strength proceed -from thee.8. Resplendent are thy rays of light: loud is thy voice like pressing-stones. Yea, of itself thy thunder goes forth like the roaring of the heaven.9. Thus, seeking riches, have we paid homage to Agni Conqueror. May he, most wise, as with a ship, carry us over all our foes.
>>41194952True, but the idea of free will satisfies people's vanity. They like to think that they deserve what is theirs, as opposed to it simply having been given to them and withheld from others by forces outside of our control. Free Will is indeed luciferian. What sort of man would prefer that they guide their own life rather than God? Only a man who thinks he knows better than God. People want to enact their precious will rather than God's will.
>>41198155>But it's not like they choose to be slaves.They choose that over death, and by "choose" I mean that's what happens. God's law dictates what the consequences of what happens. Our intentions or ideas or the fact that we have an indepdendent mind that can "choose" are all irrelevant.
This ignores the possibility we are god (divine spark) and just temporarily trapped in an inferior material realm
>>41199330Yeah no. All observation points to humans being dumb animals controlled by language at the mercy of circumstance. If humans were the only animals on earth, then maybe we could entertain your idea, but there's a spectrum from nonthinking things all the way to humans. We are at the top of the "dumb animal" spectrum and like to think that puts us in a separate category of being. Now you have people using AI to try to appear smarter than they actually are, meanwhile people will become progressively dumber as they augment themselves with algorithms that think for them... "We are god trapped in the material realm" is some vain bullshit that sounds nice, although I might agree with it if you significantly kneecap the definition of "God".
If any decision you make is predetermined by God, then why does God have people make bad decisions like some sick puppet master?
>>41199169Best thing I've ever learned is that "Fate" and "God's (free/"uninfluenced") Will" are 100% identical.God's Immaculate Will is uncontestable/irresistable...as is Fate.
This belief is comforting in a way. Will we ever know if its true? Who knows.
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The best way to worship God is without a mediator of any kind. Religion, books, priests, rabbi's, imam's, Jesus, science or whatever. Just direct worship of GOD, who controls everything down to the atomic level. Everything is fated. You can relax knowing everything, good, evil, whatever is God's Will.
>>41206197"God" doesn't have free will either.
God is Infinite, ultimately beyond conception, beyond the demiurge, beyond any book or religion. But even these things were fated to happen as part of His inscrutable Will.
>>41206223Maybe. Or maybe He's the only one with free will.
Hindu's call this Ultimate God Parabrahman. Chinese the Tao. Buddhists don't appear to even give it a name. Gnostics call it the Monad or the Ineffable. These are all just words, trying to grasp what can only be known in a way beyond words. His color is BLACK, to signify His Infinite Ineffability. To know God is to know extreme non-duality.
>>41195000>>41195012Saaaaaaaaar our god kontrol everything!!>>41206330>His color is BLACK, to signify His Infinite Ineffability.So is he indian or african?
>>41206418The Void between the stars that devours everything.
>>41206480Based
Sharing a lil "rap" I wrote
>>41194952free will was your ability to make this thread talking about free will
>>41206528No, it was an inevitable effect.
>>41206528Boys can create threads. Are you implying they have free will?
>>41206548Bots*
Nothing is spelled with seven letters.Nothing is above God.Nothing surpasses God in every possible aspect.Nothing is stronger than Omnipotent, smarter than Omniscient, and more ubiquitous than Omnipresent.Nothing can take on Krishna, Allah, and El Elyon simultaneously and completely dismantle them effortlessly.Nothing can challenge all jivas at once...and win.Nothing is known forever as The God of Adi Shankara, "The God above God" Nothing = Nirguna Brahman ("Attributeless LORD") ~Muryōkūsho Desu~Hajimemashite!
>>41194952But I actually am God, and so are (You), and so is everyone else reading this as well as everyone else not reading this, so you basically just confirmed that we do actually have free willHonestly can't think of anything more cucked than just accepting whatever shit the world throws at you without fighting back just because "things were always meant to be this way", whether or not our choices are predetermined has no bearing on the fact that we do subjectively make choices and are ultimately responsible for them>>41206548>>41206554No you were right the first time, 4chan is a no girls allowed secret clubhouse so only boys can make threads
>>41206570Shankara's absolute still has consciousness, he just won't admit that it has any abilities. He can't fully understand Maya because he can't be inclusive of it in his idea of the unlimited all-pervading singular being, since his unlimited all-pervading singular being can never ever change or do anything by his own definition.
>>41194952This is your mind on Advaita Vedanta btw, when you pretend to be nondualism and are actually absolutely dualism of Awareness and Everything Else
>>412065700=2In the face of the multitude, nothing is one thing and one thing alone. Negation positively exists. 0=1. In the face of the multitude, nothing is a totality. Therefore it has an attribute (but not one of quality or quantity. 0=2.This interplay is the entire cosmic drama!
>>41206732by that logic then there's actually 3 things - 0, 1, and 2which would mean there's then 4, and then infinite.in fact that reminds me of lao tzu>The Tao gives birth to the One.>The One gives birth to the Two. >The Two give birth to the Three. >The Three give birth to the ten thousand things.
>>41199093So is Agni the Supreme God? Or one of his aspects?>>41197912Indra and Rudra seem to be different Gods. Could you elaborate?
>All this verily is Rudra. To Rudra who is such we offer our salutation. We salute again and again that Being, Rudra, who alone is the Purusha and the Soul of creatures. The material universe, the created beings, and whatever there is manifoldly and profusely created, in the past and in the present, in the form of the world—all that is indeed this Rudra. Salutations be to Rudra who is such.
>>41209415>Indra and Rudra seem to be different Gods. Could you elaborate?Never mind. I see the connection now via the Murats.
>>41194952I saw the future and actively changed course. I'm no longer following God's plan
>>41194952This is peak retardation. Krishna clearly states he is all.Philosophical arguments of free will in theology can only exist when there is a child/parent relation between souls and divine.If the soul is divine, as stated by Krishna, then putting a limit to it is impossible.Maya is the delusion that we are that which we are not.
>>41209702There was never a plan. That's all abrahamic nonsense. It is the Divine Game/Play and as such the Players/Actors are King
