Anyone notice how so many atheists have a frothing, single-minded hatred of Christianity? Like you would expect them to be equally hateful to all religions or supernatural beliefs, but they mostly seem to have this irrational hatred of Christ as a personal figure that goes well beyond "not believing he exists".
>>41202649Its cus youre in America and America's majority religion is Christianity and shit like Evangelicals exist.That and Christians push for more bullshit via legal enforcement like establishing statues and erecting Christian monuments in high traffic locations. It is the most annoying thing on the planet.There is not a damn thing on this earth that would ever convince me to be a Christian. If the Christian God itself landed on earth and pointed at me and said "convert" i would bite its finger until I was destroyed via unmaking itself.I, however, am not an atheist.
I think one of the biggest lies I was told was that God in the OT is cruel when a lot of the stuff he did was a necessary evil and it was after several, several warnings that were warned.
>>41202649The common Christian desperation to validate themselves through a narrative of persecution is cringe. To the extent that Christianity is responsible for this behavior rather than just a device used by people who already seek out victimhood, it is also cringe.
>>41202649"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first."
>>41202649I suppose this must seem true if you ignore the vast majority of Western atheists that will freely admit that they dislike ("hate" is a strong word, and no, thinking that Christianity probably isn't true isn't the same as having a "frothing, single-minded hatred of Christianity") Islam, Judaism and all other forms of theism too if askedThey talk about Christianity the most because it's the most culturally relevant to them, atheists from other cultures will talk about the dominant religion from their own cultures instead, eg. ex-Muslim atheists will talk about Islam the most
>>41202649Most atheists are from countries where Christians are exerting power over others, why wouldn't they be most opposed to the people who are making their lives worse?
>>41202649go look at atheists who grew up in Muslim countries. Guess what they fixate on as their target? Yep, Islam.It is quite simple.
>>41202674This is the powerful and Good mentality.To not acquiesce to Evil even if it is 'very heckin powerful'.Glad to see another who has this atomic resilience.
>>41202674True you’re Jewish.Many atheists are Jewish.
>>41202649They're probably jews. Genetically or culturally, raised in a judaicized environment. That includes many churches, ironically enough. Babylonian or degenerate isolationist with a culture of grooming and sexual abuse.Many that were raised in churches like that fail to distinguish God and Christ from man's church and man's bible. It's a fucked up mess, but does not mean that Jesus and his messages were untrue.
>>41202649Evil will always overplay its hand, and reveal the truth through its hatred of it; Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life.There are many ignorant, blinded by satan, and there are a few who know and serve satan, who shepard the ignorant, to destruction - we should pray for those being misled by satan.I follow the Good Shepard, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. I'm going to sit outside and pray now.
>>41203033>you're a kike if you disagree with my kike book that tells me to hate kikes
>>41202722>and it was after several, several warnings that were warned.Tale older than time
>itt: anons trying to tell other anons of cultural influences, and christians not getting it
>>41203118It's usually spelled shepherd, just so you know
>>41203252Thank you for the corection
>>41202649Christianity is just the worst one. It's like the republican party of religions. It's the one that has our world the most fucked in the head.
>>41203252Thank you Anon, God bless - I have played too much mass effect, and not worshipped God enough, frankly
>>41203888wow tripslucky
>>41202756>Christians go out of their way to be obnoxious just so people will hate them because Jesus said they wouldIf only he had said "You will be loved because of me" instead, then maybe evangelicals would be pleasant to talk to instead of making obnoxious posts that manage to come off as both whiny and self-congratulatory at the same time about how other people "persecute" them (read: tell them to STFU) for absolutely no reason at all and how that totally means they're right about everythingI'm not even an atheist and I think there's a lot of truth to Christianity, but shit like this turned me off from the entire religion for a long time
>>41202649jesus is the antichrist
>>41202674> There is not a damn thing on this earth that would ever convince me to be a Christian. If the Christian God itself landed on earth and pointed at me and said "convert" i would bite its finger until I was destroyed via unmaking itself.And if it was a different God?
The darkness cant stand the light since the light exposes their wrong-doings. No other religion exposes their wrongdoings except Christianity, because all other religions are false and wrong in some way or another
Its about not being a little cuck bitch and bending. Thats the real reason. There mystery solved.
>>41202649Yeah, a lot of "athiests" are really just combative edgelords. They'll falter if their delusions fade and they realize they aren't top dog and the most intellectual in the room, so they project and overcompensate with shit slinging.
>>41202674>America's majority religion is ChristianityWhy do people always say this? You know this isn't true. Most people just say they were Christian but aren't, or were "raised in a Christian family" which means nothing when it comes to personal salvation, unless it actually led to you being a real Christian.America's real religion is Scientism, otherwise known as the worship of the official narrative as well the universe itself to some extent. You know this is true.
>>41202649Christianity is the dominant religion in the west and its adherents expect to meet their open worship and chastising of other beliefs to be met with open and unceasing acceptance. Christianity is therefore more of a political belief in it's obnoxiousness. Suck it up, buttercup, there will never be any hard evidence for Jesus, he is a fictional character. Everyone else is tired of hearing about your fandom.
>>41202649Only men who come from the pure and perfect descendants of Adam are to be saved out of this world.All Sheep are saved. vs All Goats are sent into hellfire with their fathers, the fallen angels.All fish of the good race are saved. vs All fish of the evil races are cast away.All (White) wheat is gathered into YHWH's barn. vs All (non-Whites) tares are burned.This is why the book of Genesis goes into such painstaking details about genealogy, who your fathers are matter.There is White, and then there are all the devils and the 'beastial' races.This is why Cain was able to go East of Eden and find 'other' people and build a city out there and have a wife and children, even though Eve had only had TWO CHILDREN, at that point. So where did these 'other' "people" come from?-According to the Book of Enoch, these 'other races' came from the union of Fallen Angels and animals.
>>41207941>Most people just say they were Christian but aren'tI guarantee you that the vast majority of these people that you think aren't Christian actually are Christian despite whatever retarded purity test you've come up with to determine if someone is a "real Christian" or not, the majority of Americans are Christian and to say otherwise is to be willfully ignorant.>otherwise known as the worship of the official narrativeThat's rich, the Bible is the archetypal "official narrative" to be believed in and obeyed without question, "don't question the Church" was actual law in much of the west for several centuries. Do you want to see a return to getting beheaded in public for "heretical" views?
>>41202649Noticed indeed. They know the truth of God in the bible (unlike garbage manmade religion) cannot be ignored, overturned or argued against, so they feel threatened by it and act accordingly.
>>41202649Reddit atheists have the aura of kids from abusive Christian homes lashing out. They need time to actually work through their trauma first before they can start considering spiritual matters again.
>>41207941My God and my government are supposed to be separated.That's why I have never liked the right wing. I saw where it was going with those rightous Christians when they were blowing up abortion clinics and murdering Doctors. How they intimidate, talk hate, hurt women both emotionally and sometimes physically.Do you think thats ok?!!!!!Do you believe Jesus wants that!!You mother fuckers!!!Yous are the devil's and yous, are lucky Jesus says don't do it, Blasphemy.Dont go to prison for them. They will meet their fate when facing the Father, God. This is a part of my anger. Then add in the radical right wing.Now, we bout heads. And I'm not scared of a fuckin one of them. Ever...They use MY Jesus for Evil. This, i can not have..
>>41208322Jesus says love everyone. So I fuckin do, even to a fault. Hurt time and time again by these fuckin "Christians". Read to many stories of families kicking their children from the homes. Never talking to them again because they are either gay, or rejected their parents version of Christiany.American Christians are confused about who Jesus is. I'm a bad human but, I'm not greedy, nor hateful, nor judgmental. I can't help what my mind thinks but, I can show caring and love. ..That's who I am. I dont have to know you, to love you.I already know you all. I know you because I see you. I reflect, you...I know we can't follow Jesus in America because, Jesus is NON VIOLENT.I've been taught violence from birth. Anger, deep, deep, anger. Blindly anger to where I black out....I have faught and won over those demons. I contain that demon and it, will never escape. Fucked up? Yep...
>>41208322>abortion clinicsYeah, like "Concentration Summer Camps".>and murdering Doctors.Real doctors don't murder babies, and killing a murderer isn't murder, it's justice and innocent lives saved.
>>41208352I'm not going to argue. I have no need to. You can believe what you choose as I can. 'Yous' hurt people in my presents and I will fucking destroy them. Because I dont start fights. And I sure as shit don't run from one. I'm like, ok, I have my God armor on. And if they believe they do also then, let's find out.I have no fear. I wish no violence. I will, defend myself and anyone around me to, the fuckin death. Why? Because its the correct thing to do. Because, Jesus says so. I am, a warrior for God. I will defend..
For no particular reason I remember Potato Jesus. Was God trying to tell us something?
>>41202649because you are not real christians. If you were a christian you would not be posting on 4chan
>>41208296>(unlike garbage manmade religion)All religions are madmade, though? Even if they do speak to some higher truth you have to admit at least this. Even God wasn't able to write the scriptures himself, he could only direct men to write them, and even so he didn't actually choose the words himself, he only "inspired" them, so the whole thing is ultimately filtered through a lens of Bronze Age human beliefs and superstitions instead of being some final direct revelation of God's existence like Biblical literalists claim. The whole "all religions are manmade (except mine obviously, that's the real one)" thing just reeks of self-importance to me.
>>41208394> Even God wasn't able to write the scriptures himself, he could only direct men to write them, and even so he didn't actually choose the words himself, he only "inspired" themHow do you know any of that?
>>41208376In my view, if Jesus's death didn't change the world, than nothing and nobody will. Things have changed very little. I think it just repeats with different faces and names. Hate, violence, ect. It's so ingraded and taught from birth in every country in the world. A bunch of killers, just waiting to kill. Doesn't take much from peace to Anarchy. The line is so fine and people fuck with it. Anyway, I hold no ill will towards anyone in reality. Because this body is temporary but, my soul is forever. I'm enternal from the garce of my Lord Jesus and God.Because, here i am. And only God can call me home...
>>41208412>garceGrace. Fuckin phone is the real devil
>>41208422>22See....
>>41202722Why is this necessary?>At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him. But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it. “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said. So the Lord let him alone. (At that time she said “bridegroom of blood,” referring to circumcision.)exodus 4:24
Modern ethics...High technology life style...Retro Gods...Need not apply...Bigger better things to fuss over...Like mental rebirth...So much more room...For activities when you fuck him off...
>>41208394“For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 1:21)It's a different type of "inspiration" as you read, where God''s in full control, no mistakes or distortions are possible, so whatever it is that He wanted us to have, that's what's written there. Also He doesn't inspire because He somehow can't write it down Himself like He actually did with the 10 commandments, but rather because the book was intended to be read and understood by men, and through our agency and styles it speaks better to us.Also "higher truths" are not what distinguishes the bible from manmade junk; it's fulfilled prophecy and facts we know today that only God could have known back then.
>>41208401God told me in a dream, duhAlso bit rich for you to be asking me "how do you know any of that?" when your entire argument is based on faith, ie. knowing things are true without any direct proof. That God inspired the Bible without directly dictating it is biblical consensus, and if he had dictated it instead he would've probably have made a note of that somewhere.1 Corinthians 2:12-13:>12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.>13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 2 Peter 1:21:>21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.It's very human-centric of us to think that God himself would write in a human tongue, why would he do that when can just directly communicate with people? The exact words don't matter, I could've used any translation of the Bible and you would've understood what I meant. If God meant for there to be a single authoritative version of the Bible that could never be altered or translated ever he wouldn't have allowed it to be changed so many times.>>41208469I see you've used the exact same verse I did to come to the exact opposite conclusion I did, isn't language great?
>>41202649Christianity demands mastery of one's self and provides the means and a system of doing so. But it doesn't require some autistic detatchment on one end but also not occasional hedonism on the other.Notice how in christianity there are things which come natural to humans and are good. Happiness, sexuality, sociality, leisure, pleasure etc. However they can be exceeded in their proper use and misused. What's funny is that the excess of these things does not increase pleasure and actually makes us more miserable. We only think it will make us feel better because we have a more = better mentality.Christianity simply tells us that if we temper our appetites we will be happier than if we indulge. This angers people for some reason.On the other hand. There's a tendency to create a legalistic and rigorous system to maximize self-denial which is also retarded and drives people insane. No sex, no art, no enjoyment of things in any way. Many heresies manifest in christianity in this form because they appear under the guise of piety.Modern society is actually the complete inversion of christian values because those things which christianity says must be tempered are left unrestrained. Which is why we have a bunch of obese sexual hedonists glued to their phones. But it also completely restricts the things which christianity says has no limit and are intrinsically good. Like beauty. Which is why we are surrounded by ugliness wherever we go.Also they might be possessed by actually literal demons
>>41208482>Also they might be possessed by actually literal demonsNTA but sometimes I have urges to blaspheme the Holy Spirit whenever I'm overwhelmed or angry, could I be possessed? Also, could you explain why it's the one and only unforgivable sin? It never made sense to me
>>41208477>I see you've used the exact same verse I did to come to the exact opposite conclusion I did, isn't language great?“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.” (John 14:26)You need to read more carefully.
>>41202649I don't hate Christianity. I hate Christians for what they have done to the world, and their evil lies.The first lesson of the first chapter of the first book of your book of lies is "God made the world to give to you to dominate and exploit.""Be a cancer on the Earth."And that's what the Christians did.>And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.>So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.>And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
>>41208477> knowing things are true without any direct proofIf faith were "knowing" in the ordinary sense we would simply call it knowledge. Faith means trust. If you want to say that you "have faith" that God neither wrote the scriptures nor inspired them such that they could be accurately written, then I have to ask what is it you are trusting in, because obviously it's not God.
>I'll tell you what you did with Atheists for about 1500 years. You outlawed them from the universities or any teaching careers, besmirched their reputations, banned or burned their books or their writings of any kind, drove them into exile, humiliated them, seized their properties, arrested them for blasphemy. You dehumanised them with beatings and exquisite torture, gouged out their eyes, slit their tongues, stretched, crushed, or broke their limbs, tore off their breasts if they were women, crushed their scrotums if they were men, imprisoned them, stabbed them, disembowelled them, hanged them, burnt them alive.>And you have nerve enough to complain to me that I laugh at you.”
>>41208491Yeah, okay? Again, that reinforces my point, not contradicts it.I'm not getting into a Bible-off with you, autistically nitpicking every single detail of every single verse to prove some point is exactly what I'm talking about. It's the "Holy Spirit", not the "Holy Word", it's the spirit that's important, not the exact wording.>>41208498Yes, knowing that things are true when you have actual proof of them is called "knowledge", and when you don't have proof it's called "faith" and implies a certain degree of trust. Do you think I don't understand this point?
>>41208513So I ask you again, how do you know that God didn't write or inspire the accurate writing of scripture? Or if you simply have "faith" in this assertion, who is it that you are placing your faith in?
>>4120848690% percent of the time it isn't demons. I'd say don't worry about it. I get intrusive thoughts too sometimes. A mortal sin requires full consent of the will.Also, I had always learned that blasphemy of the holy spirit = unrepentance. Which makes sense as the only unforgivable sin.
>>41208525Thank you Anon
>>41208498I have faith that the beauty and wonder of life and existence is not a lie.I find nothing uplifting, beautiful, insightful or truthful about The Bible.I just see the scheme of the authoritarian ruler projected onto the celestial sphere.And it isn't just appearance: that's how Christians act.Your God is as psychologically grotesque as Trump."I'm the greatest, the best! Worship me, nobody else, your Dear Leader, think of me constantly!"
>>41208513It's not nitpicking. We use the word "inspiration" today in a completely different manner, so letting the bible itself define the term is but a minimal excersise of prudency.
>>41208531> that's how Christians actWould you give me an example of what you mean?
>>41208518You think this is some sort of gotcha, don't you? Yes, I have faith in God, I'm not an atheist. Christians don't have a monopoly on faith or belief in God, as much as they would like to think they do. Also having faith in a belief doesn't necessarily mean placing your faith in a person, not everything is about blind obedience to an actual person.>how do you know that God didn't write or inspire the accurate writing of scripture?If you think my argument is that God didn't inspire the accurate writing of scripture then you're obviously not reading anything I'm saying because I'm arguing that he did. My argument is that God is a universal concept that transcends any artificial human limitations of "language", "wording" or even "scripture". You can find God in the words of the Bible, but you can just as easily find him in the leaves of a tree or in the motion of the planets. If God's going to communicate with us it won't be through the words of a book that reached its final version centuries ago, that's inherently one-sided and communication is a two-way process.Again, not to argue from authority, but this is biblical consensus. Some Christians do believe that God literally gave every word to the writers of the Bible as-is to be written down exactly, but there's very little in the Bible itself to support that (turns out you can bend scripture to mean anything you want it to mean if you've already decided it means something else, imagine that).Why would God give something as important as his ultimate, final truth in something as limited as human language? It doesn't make any sense.
>>41208580> having faith in a belief doesn't necessarily mean placing your faith in a personBut surely faith has some cause. So I am asking what causes you to have faith in your prior assertion.> If you think my argument is that God didn't inspire the accurate writing of scripture then you're obviously not reading anything I'm sayingMy apologies if I misread you. You wrote:> so the whole thing is ultimately filtered through a lens of Bronze Age human beliefs and superstitions So are you saying that words filtered in this way can also be accurate?
>>41202649Ex-Muslim atheists hate Islam way more than Western atheists hate Christianity.
>>41202649Most people who claim to be atheist aren't actually atheist, they're Nihilist, Humanist and Thanatist. Anyone who has a hatred for Christ has hatred for themselves, atheist or not.
>>41208609>But surely faith has some cause. So I am asking what causes you to have faith in your prior assertion.My faith in God comes from direct personal experience that I'm not going to go into here. That's all I'll say about that.>So are you saying that words filtered in this way can also be accurate?The ideas are accurate, not the words themselves. This is my whole point: God didn't create the funny squiggles on the page, he inspired men who then went on to write the funny squiggles on the page, trying to communicate a transcendental experience they had personally had the only way they knew how: using allegory and relating it to things they were familiar with (the aforementioned "Bronze Age human beliefs and superstitions". God communicates with us perfectly, it's when we try to communicate God to each other (eg. the Bible) that something gets lots in translation.Again, why would God actually write something as important as his ultimate, final truth, to never be changed or altered in any way, in a format that was created to record something that originally evolved so primitive animals could communicate the locations of food and shelter to each other? You still haven't addressed this.
>>41208646I'd hate something that tells me to kill myself too a lot less than something that tells me to love my neighbor.
>>41207941America is a Christian country and a Christian society. All of our laws come from the Christian bible. All of our traditions and holidays are based around Christianity. Millions and millions of people go to church every week. Jesus Christ is on our money, in our schools, in our blood. Christianity is Americas religion. Whether it be protestant, catholic, jewish, mormon. It is a free country however. You are allowed to believe in what you want which is the basis of democracy but you can't say this isn't a Christian country.
>>41202649I hate Islam/Buddhism/Hinduism/Shamanism/Nationalism/Patriotism etc too. Anything that encourages human to sacrifice their individuality and blend into a group is dogshit.
>>41202674>i would bite its finger until I was destroyed via unmaking itself.Based
>>41206338>And if it was a different God?Doesn't matter. If any god wants my prayers or worship he has to beg me for it or kill me. Because I ain't doing it.
>>41208735Honestly if God showed up in person and demanded I repent of my sins and believe in Jesus's sacrifice (he died for YOUR sins, remember, so be sure to feel guilty at all times or you're a bad person) and to worship at his feet forever unconditionally, that would convince me that he isn't God at all and was just some guy in a bathrobe and a fake beard trying to sell me Bible insurance because I really don't think the real God would require any of that
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