Am I the only one who feels demonic presence in carnivores?
>>41213934Yeah, when I see lions and tigers, I get that feeling.
>>41213934“For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.” (Romans 14:2)
>>41214123Stfu Christ cuck
>>41214123so it's ok to eat naturally deceased humans?
>>41213934Carnivores suck https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yWvQRwen8ag
>>41214123I think the case against inerrancy is about as convincing as the case is for anything. The Bible is filled with bits that look like obvious errors. For instance, Genesis 4 and 5 have related but contradictory genealogies.Genesis 19 tells the story of Lot having incestuous sex with his daughters, who then gave birth to what ultimately became the enemy nations of Israel. It’s obviously far more likely that the Israelites would make up mean stories about how their enemies got there than that a single act of incest with two daughters would result in two pregnancies, which then founds two separate enemy nations.In Exodus 3:6 God says “And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El Shaddai, but I did not make myself known to them by my name [Tetragrammaton].” However, in Genesis, God was known by the Tetragrammaton. The modern scholarly view of the Torah—which claims different stories got fused together—has quite an easy explanation of these facts. However, inerrancy does not.
i feel a demonic presence in vegans, also carnivores if you mean the type that only eat meat and nothing else. those with normal diets are not demonic.
>>41213934no nigga that's nuts
>>41214950Oh damn, is this presentation demonic? https://youtu.be/j1cqNDDG4aA
>>41215082anything that tries to control your life and take you away from god's work of creation is demonic.
>>41214950How about vegetarians who aren't vegan?
>>41215127Meat eaters and vegetarians control animals lives and take them out of creation by slaughtering them
>>41215135they're cool i guess, we all have our own preferences and all that. problem is all the aspects of control and general bad vibes among such people.>>41215159it's called a normal diet and god created cattle animals to be our food, they gladly sacrifice themselves for our sustenance.
>>41215168>I'm created in the image of God and God tells us that we have dominion over the beasts of the earth.Christianity is probably not true https://benthams.substack.com/p/why-im-not-a-christian?utm_source=post-banner&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&triedRedirect=trueEven if it were true it would almost certainly have to be a "liberal" form of Christianity because of SERIOUS issues with mainstream Christianity like that scriptural inerrancy is almost certainly false.AlsoGenesis 9:9-10 (In your preferred KJV) "And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth. And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth."God established a covenant not only with humans, but with every beast of the earth as well.>There isn't anything in that bible that suggests beasts have any kind of preeminenceEven in the KJV, it says, as I just quoted, "yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast." And notably in the Hebrew the word translated "breath," ruach, is the same word translated "spirit," in the verse under discussion. Man and beast all have one spirit.
>>41215217>no beast having a soulThe main Hebrew word usually translated as soul is nephesh, which is applied to humans and animals. It used of animals before humans in Genesis.>No beast prayingJob 38:41 "Who provides food for the raven when its young cry out to God and wander about for lack of food?"Psalm 104:27 "27"All creatures look to you to give them their food at the proper time.">no beast being promised anythingIsaiah 65:25 "The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, and dust will be the serpent’s food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain,” says the Lord.I will say that the Abrahamic religions are, on the whole, very human-centric religions with limited concern for animals, and that's one of the things that makes me pretty confident that they're wholly human inventions, but if you're willing to look, you can certainly find that animals aren't wholly excluded or relegated to being just props.Romans 8:19-23"For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the children of God, for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its enslavement to decay and will obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning together as it suffers together the pains of labor, and not only the creation, but we ourselves..." And word translated creation can mean creature as well. It includes all living things.
>>41215227Oh, there's also ye olde talking donkey story, which as silly as it may be does attribute obvious intelligence to an animal when given the power to speak.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2022%3A21-39&version=NRSVUEThen the Lord opened the mouth of the donkey, and it said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?” Balaam said to the donkey, “Because you have made a fool of me! I wish I had a sword in my hand! I would kill you right now!” But the donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your donkey, which you have ridden all your life to this day? Have I been in the habit of treating you this way?” And he said, “No.”There's also 1 Kings 17, where God says to Elijah, "You shall drink from the wadi, and I have commanded the ravens to feed you there.” and the Hebrew word used for God commanding the ravens is the same word used many times for God commanding humans to do things throughout the Tanakh, including God's command to a widow just a few verses later.https://biblehub.com/hebrew/tzivviti_6680.htm
>>41215231>This has nothing to do with a spiritual connection with GodBreath and spirit are the same word in the Hebrew, so it's up to the translators to make the distinction.>Not in the kjv, none of my business.I guess no one correctly understood God until the KJV was written, though the KJV translators themselves were under no illusions about being divinely inspired. https://dbts.edu/2012/04/09/the-embarrassing-preface-to-the-king-james-version/>That's not praying for God's sake, that's a reference to ravens croaking in distress for lack of food and God being mindful of that.>Again, that's called figure of speech, and expectation wouldn't be the same as prayer anyways.Who are you to tell the writers what they mean?>That's not a promise to beasts, that's a promise to man concerning beasts. Come on now.I wouldn't have expected to find a direct promise to animals in a book written for humans, but to my surprised I did above, in Genesis 9:9-10, where God explicitly establishes a covenenant not only with humans but with every beast of the earth, and he promises to them as well as to humans never to flood the earth again.
>>41215234Another instance of God making (promising to make) a covenant with animals is in Hosea 2:18. "And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely."
>That doesnt mean we should treat them cruelly though and battery farming is cruel.Obviously factory farming is cruel, humans breed these animals into existence and then they are tortured they suffer immensely and experience very little well-being then they die.But "humane" animal agriculture is still immoral.If animals are living net bad lives (like in factory farms) they should not be bred into existence by humansIf animals are living net good lives (like on a "humane farm) they should not have their lives cut short by being slaughtered when they are still relatively young and would have had many healthy and happy years left to live.
It's only natural, the devils and the aggressive sentient species of the universes loosh more obviously with predators, they're more congruent in thought which is soul.We need to put some cells in predators and prey alike through prayer and meditation, if you would be willing to help there's spiritual pay in it for the work, and you don't have to clock in for a whole hour at a time if you don't want. These cells could dual-purpose as means of modulating loosh for a variety of benefits such as greater occult powers, greater intelligence, etc.
>>41213934YOU ARE THAT DEMON!
>>41215242Plants feel pain. By your logic we should let all the factory bred meat animals go free, provide them housing...it makes sense from a point of view where Earth is going to stop eating meat. If only we had some laboratory-made food substitute that consisted not of meat, plant, bacteria or anything else but just pure nutrition and flavor and texture at a cheap price point everyone could afford it, and could make it fast enough to feed Earth...the mortal realm is wrapped in sin, can't get away from it, sorry, plant and meat eating remains legal on most planets where they need to do that, and some where they don't.
>>41214126Bible says man and beast was made vegan.
>>41213934I feel it too. Killing a living being so that you can eat their flesh is undeniably evil, but unfortunately I can't quit cuz it tastes too good.
>>41215830It's representative of the fallen state of the Mortal Realm; we were greater before when we didn't need to consume others, plant or meat or even electricity for androids which endangers others because of the radiations emitted, even universes away...but before The Dawn of Time we were greater and we will be later. In the Heavens one can consume if they like but the thing consumed will be soulless, and it will endanger nobody at all in the consuming. Unless it were consensual. They could literally just resurrect afterward.Some parts of the Heavens are built here in the Mortal Realm, in the form of cells and thoughts in beings; much of the Mortal Realm is built in The Heavens, a lot of the reason there's a field, an energy that binds us to one uninterruptible fate.
We chose our virtues and sins for all out life times and deaths and The Heavens and The Hells, to which all but one, God Almighty, goes to them all; he is beyond The Hells. But some few Beings buy their way out of The Hells on entrance, spending some pretty vast spiritual wealth they've accumulated across the life times these virtuous beings. I don't recommend it, too expensive, The Hells are meant to be gone through, and all they are is anything a more moral person that you wouldn't have done to somebody else, you go through. Any bum that asked you for money and you didn't give it to them, you go drug-free and hungry as them for hours for doing that to them; if they die during that time, you experience a small part of that but many beings went into starving them. On some level where it's not so bad, you go through every animals slaughtered to feed you and every plant killed to do it's fate but just sorta, it was their fate to be eaten as proven by the fact it happened.There is one uninterruptible fate, where bad things happen to good people because of moments of weakness, lack of self-defense in action or thought or communication, agreements to suffer since before the Dawn of Time as part of spiritual work (the one way to be innocent), and sinners, anyone who takes too much which is culture-dependent but easy to do considering it feels so good, Satan's trick. Satan is defeated, soundly, but it's evil work is still felt and will be felt until 5 eternities have passed in The Heavens, such was it that Satan made perfection impure since before The Dawn of Time via rebellion and leading souls, time, space and matter away from the truth. Anything that through fate never happens belongs to someone's imagination or Satan's work, her kingdom. There are Hells so terrible they don't exist and real beings have to inhabit unnatural states of unbeing and being desouled and Satan goes through all of them, every Hells minor and major. There's a list of beings just as bad
Satan is guilty of every death, every weakness, everything less than perfect greatness, in all beings alongside they themselves, and shares more guilt than most of them. Had it not been for Satan The Heavens would have been the only Realm.
>>41214245Nope. Human flesh has never been given to us for food under any dispensation. Any other creature is fair game, though.
>>41214769>I think the case against inerrancy is about as convincing as the case is for anything. The Bible is filled with bits that look like obvious errors.God promising to preserve his word:“The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalms 12:6-7)“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Matthew 24:35)Which He considers to be more important than his own name:“I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.” (Psalms 138:2)Which you cannot even take in vain without getting in trouble:“Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.” (Exodus 20:7)And what kind of God inspires something just to let it be lost to human corruption and error? That's not the almighty God of the Bible.Also God's solemn warning against anybody messing with His book:“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Revelation of John 22:18-19)>For instance, Genesis 4 and 5 have related but contradictory genealogies.Can't find any. Exact verses please.
>>41214769>Genesis 19 tells the story of Lot having incestuous sex with his daughters, who then gave birth to what ultimately became the enemy nations of Israel. It’s obviously far more likely that the Israelites would make up mean stories about how their enemies got there than that a single act of incest with two daughters would result in two pregnancies, which then founds two separate enemy nations.If the bible says it happened, it stands until somebody proves it wrong, which you haven't done by just making shit up in your head.>In Exodus 3:6 God says “And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El Shaddai, but I did not make myself known to them by my name [Tetragrammaton].” However, in Genesis, God was known by the Tetragrammaton. The modern scholarly view of the Torah—which claims different stories got fused together—has quite an easy explanation of these facts. However, inerrancy does not.What a bunch of retarded animals. Genesis was written down by Moses as directed by God Himself, so He made sure His holy name would be used exactly where He saw fit irrespective of the timeline of the recorded events.“For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 1:21)
>>41213934bro looks at a jumping spider and says AAAAAAHHHH A DEMON no bitch you're just a pussy
>>41216331Bible never condemned human flesh tho. Humans are not animals. Not saying cannibalism is good tho.
>>41215168>they gladly sacrifice themselves for our sustenance.Sure...you sure enough to try that out with bull or boar?
>>41216652And the point is? It's like raping babies; it's not explicitly called out but can be easily inferred by just reading God's permissive will towards sex. Use common sense.
>>41213934I sense their fellow killer spirit and I feel a kinship and admiration for it. Apex predators have an almost totemic beauty to me; like lions and tyrannosaurus rex.
>>41215159Might makes right. We were born to kill and eat other living things.
>>41215242How "good" or "bad" my food's life was doesn't matter to me whatsoever. They're literally my food; the relationship is antagonistic and hostile. I do not care how much pain or isolation or suffering they feel before the end, only how expensive their flesh is, how nutritious it is, and how good it tastes.
>>41215830>Killing a living being so that you can eat their flesh is undeniably evilIt's actually really easy to deny because "evil" doesn't exist and the idea of it makes no sense.
>>41216787>le evil digger from the depths
>>41216733I agree, but it never says you cannot either. Even says what goes into a man does not defile them.
>>41216796Evil is just what it's called when you violate the Golden Rule.
>>41213934The weak are meat and the strong eat. - GOD
>>41213934Yes.Because you inherently anthropomorphize animals while not simultaneously doing the same for plants.
>>41213934The Zoroastrians said something similar. That venomous and dangerous animals were created by Ahriman, the primordial source of Evil in the cosmos, whilst other animals were created by Ahura Mazda, the primordial source of Good.
