I have been spiritual for about three years now, originally getting involved in metaphysical world in 2022 after long being an atheist; however I have never followed any denominations of faith, and the most accurate descriptor of my spiritual beliefs heretofore would be 'secular.' I feel that my spiritual secularity creates a certain passivity in my faith, makes me feel like I'm not active enough in my discovery of the mystic. I tend to skew philosophically materialist because of this passivity, and I would like to correct this. Where should I begin with my discovery of the metaphysical? I want to begin practicing a faith, but I simply do not know where to begin. The only thing I know with certainty is that I have no interest in Abrahamic doctrines.Should I begin with Pagan study? Hinduist? Maybe Shintoist? Help point me in the right direction, /x/!
You shouldn't ever let another extremely flawed human convince you of anything on matters of the soul
>>41228792It doesn't matter where you begin if you have already shunned Christianity and specifically Jesus Christ, because you have already rejected the truth in favour of lies.
>>41228833I never said I shunned Jesus Christ. I believe Christ was God in the flesh. I reject Christianity, however, because:>1 - The Judeo-Christian doctine has been falsified time and time again.>2 - Jesus Christ wasn't the only incarnation of God in the flesh.>3 - God, in my experience, not "the father," and is not even humanoid.
>>41228824I'm more so looking to be pointed in the right direction for reading to start my path of personal discovery.
>>41228792This is a very difficult FACT to encounter, but the West's Greatest Mystic, Crowley, was actually a Taoist. So read the Tao Te Ching and you can take a shortcut into true mysticism, knowing that the Tao and also the Holy Ghost were good enough for the "wickedest man in the world." If you like the Tao I recommend just going Zen, you don't have to obsess deeply over metaphysics because everything takes care of itself. If you know the Tao you will understand this. Crowley has a very spiritually deep translation of the Tao Te King
>>41229041I'm calling bullshit. You sound like a parasite looking for someone to latch onto and do the loosh harvesting since you are a dark triad psycho and can't connect with source because you killed your amygdalas
with the greeksalways start with the greeks
>>41228991>he thinks divine beings can be killed by menoh you poor fool. youre never gonna make it.a divine being never would have been on that crucifix. but if they were, they'd have endured perpetually for years heckling everybody like a monty python skit. theyd have died and resurrected in an instant and repeated the act dozens of times, queued up a line of people to try to kill them, said "look, no hands" and freed themselves, would have trolled their way to freedom, not faded into obscurity for almost a century. and definitely wouldnt have been arrested with a naked boy and crucified between two child traffickers. even if that scenario were more plausible, why would the entire city who welcomed him have turned on him and freed a murderer over him? i mean, think about it. if a prison population had to choose, who would they pick?if you can be convinced to worship a circumcised jewish rabbi as your god, you can be made to believe just about anything. its merely a question of what conditions and variables are necessary.you need help anon. you need the gods. you dont want to be spiritually sterile, spiritually dependent on jews, praying to eternal silence like christians do anon. that is a fate worse than any hell.
>>41229332yeah... and taosim is actually just amun worshipanon youre just doing that 2 + 2 = 5 thing jews/worshippers do, that whole gematria brained rabbinical hoop jumping to try to reconcile why their perfect word of god thinks the earth is flat and only 6000 years old. their archaic beliefs are contradicted by their own modern understanding, their reason. so you do this stupid dance with your consciousness, which is a conscious effort to devolve yourself. just.. dont. lol. you should be exponentially more capable than people were back then. and if youre not.. gods help you.
>>41229364This is a schizopost, point blank.>you are a dark triad psychoToday in made up pop psychology: the dark triad.>>41230292God doesn't reincarnate as immortal, he reincarnates as men. That is the point of men existing, so that God can live 8 billion lives at a time simultaneously and enjoy the creation it has created, that being reality.I suppose, in that regard, I should probably begin with pantheistic study, because I would argue pantheism is where I presently stand.
>>41228792>Pagan study"Pagan" isn't a religion, it's the status of being a hillbilly in the eyes of the ancient Romans. That said, it couldn't hurt. Particularly in the British Isles, people would practice bush wizardry as a form of spirituality, but it's worth noting that whatever they were doing wasn't enough to stop them from getting jewed out by the christfags.
>>41228792>Should I begin with Pagan study? Hinduist? Maybe Shintoist? Help point me in the right direction, /x/!Read this post:https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/1m0px7o/attention_at_least_one_rapture_has_already/Alt URL (redirects to the post):https://www.truth-now.orgAnd keep in mind, the "October 2 window" started three days ago.
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Remember that faith is a grace, a gift. You need to put your hand out to God. Literally go out on a limb which makes one vulnerable. This is the kind of vulnerability one experiences in acts of love and care for loved ones. That is the case because marriage and family mirrors the virtues of hope, faith and charity.I want you to pray and ask specifically what you desire from God. Ask this in Jesus's name. After this I want you to wait and patiently watch and listen for His answer. You will receive one. .
>>41230645nah, the point of men existing is to create the conditions necessary to bring the gods into existance. the objective of the gods is to create the conditions necessary to create their own existance. that is what the fundamental meaning of creation and existance is - creating a free energy that is capable of infinite sustainability and solving that paradox of how existance and the gods come to exist.they didnt tell you this?what did you think it was? "siri, create the earth"? appear before me "perfect" (after mutilating your own genitalia)?the problem with trusting jews who have no direct divine experience and who merely read some books or likely overheard conversations of people initiated into the ancient mystery (lit. 'chosen') is that they cant properly conceive of these concepts, theyre just guessing. they spent more than half of a millenia just hammering out the details of christ, which is sort of similar, but not at all compatible. what jews dont understand is it isnt a question of education, intelligence, righteousness or even genes, but is something deliberately revealed, manually from the back-end. you think the gods would jeopardize themselves as christian nations do with all these liabilities? isnt possible.and that is why abrahamism operates on 'faith', rather than certainty. you either know, or youre gambling. in christianity's case, with their eternal soul no less. and as carelessly as if theyre choosing between brands of shampoo or what to have for dinner.the gods are there though, you merely have to know them, and that means never being fooled to oppose or reject them based on your environmental variables i.e. who/when/where you're born. because if variables can be introduce which would jeopardize your loyalty, then youre out. youll always be out. you should, even as a child, know the divine exists, but recognize there is an uncanney valley of what youre being told and taught about them. "raised christian, spiritual not religious"
>>41230645youre kind of on the right track in that everything and everyone is a data point. but if you think the gods are wearing vr headsets so they can feel what its like to be burned alive, eaten by a cannibal or sodomized as a child then youve completely lost the plot. if youre still young and have a destiny to know them, then you will be in a constant state of assessing your 'beliefs' and always be willing to discard of them as you spend your waking hours reverse engineering your way back to the truth, which you would have been born with. like waking from a coma with amnesia, trying to remember who you are.
its more like this, if you wanna know the truth. different cultures will ascribe different terms, different names, and will be at varying levels of comprehension, but this is ultimately what it comes down to.there are two fundamental questions one must answer- where the gods are at in the process of their perfection- in which 'direction' are they moving (i.e. what theyre attempting to perfect upon, what we might perceive as moving towards good/evil). the pain:pleasure threshold is a good way to estimate their relative position. the direction is a little more complicated and not something i could easily to explain to you.if we use one creator just as a baseline, it must inevitably create itself. but this introduces a classic dilemma you might know re: cloning, which is the real god?this is a fundamental and unavoidable problem with which there are three (?) possible outcomes:good - synthesis/combining their efforts in mutual cooperation in order to elevate themselves and rid themselves of imperfectionneutral - nullifying the existance of the second (or even the first), i.e. in a stasis or otherwise non-active capacityevil - consuming the other, either for sustenance i.e. loosh, or to simply eliminate it before it eliminates youjust saying 'god is good' is a retarded oversimplication. what theyre really saying is 'jesus is good' (because its what i was told, not something i actually know). it also operates from the faulty premise thats the gods are already one and not the others, it makes the assumption that that god is already perfect, which simply isnt the case. if that were true, we wouldnt even be here.ill expand a little in the next post
if youre posting here im sure youre familiar with the gnostics, since its a jewish website and always trying to circle you back to jews. but the gnostics ripped off most of their shit from the greeks. you can see here in the greek hierarchy of gods what we would consider traits, or in this case, things which the gods are seeking to perfect upon. this is early greek stuff which god weeded out later on and ironed out. this is done through cycles of creation, but (successful) cycles of creation inevitably brings about a new 'god', and these gods were assigned names which identify with objectives, things the gods sought to perfect amongst themselves, i.e. the perfect good/evil/whateverboth the latins and jews were not at the ironing out phase, where the greek philosophers were at, who started to see whoever was coming up with these new gods didnt know wtf they were talking about, and gods dont represent the worst of men, theyre not slipping on banana peels and stupid shit. the political necessity of exploiting the temples had begun to degrade the integrity of religion.
then the jews got involved and it just completely went into clown world. hellenisms capitol moved to alexandria, where jews were already fully embedded, same with Rome too btw, and the greek culture began to be intermixed with people living alongside a jewish one, and im sure you know what happens then. this is (((neo)))-platonism, which is the philosophy of the early church fathers.but with the gnostic canon, the pleroma, sophia, yaldabaoth, etc, you can probably see the similarity and deduce that they attempted to reproduce the system the greeks used, but just completely went full schizo. they did approach it from an 'evil' route though, as in the demiurge/loosh memes you know and love. but they tried too hard to reconcile their own preexisting cultural beliefs with the gods irl and ended up trying to 'play god' with the gods, and have been shunned and ghosted ever since, along with everyone who became spiritually dependent on them. a way worse fate than even the poos of old, who could atleast grasp the concepts to some degree, but simply didnt have the capacity to go any further and their religion/culture inevitably stagnated as a result.its important to understand that this is an always developing, constantly evolving system and dispensation of divine knowledge. because we are basically one step removed from cavemen, monkeys who couldnt even begin to grasp the co>mplexity of it all, especially relative to the gods. so it develops along with our understanding. like elementary school, but for our consciousness. you ever wondered why yahweh's vehicle of choice was a chariot, something only employed for a sliver human history, and not something completely inconceivable like a DeLorean? thats why.
>>41232880*got weeded out later on and ironed out
>>41228792It all begins with humbling yourself, and humbling oneself begins because of torment. If the “source” desires you, it will torture you to get your attention. It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks, after all.
>>41228792I would advise you to read books from various traditions. And then use your mind to discover the essence that is present but hidden in all of them.
>>41228792>The only thing I know with certainty is that I have no interest in Abrahamic doctrines.Why is that? God divided the nations at the tower of Babel and assigned to them lesser "gods," but from Abraham, he raised up the nation of ancient Israel to be His own possession. All those lesser "gods" were there to keep the people from revolting and forming a New World Order, united under Satan again. They did a bad job and God told them that even though they were "gods," they would die like mortal men. Being "secular" about spirituality is fine, Jesus didn't have any attachment to religious institutions. He said He was with small groups of two or three that were truly "with" Him. There's real spiritual stuff out there, that doesn't mean it's good. If you go around asking bums for heroin, some of them will want to see track marks on you to make sure you're in dire need of a fix and they aren't going to be getting some newbie hooked when they could've just helped him avoid the whole mess altogether.
>>41233523>jewish nonsense
>>41228792>Where should I begin with my discovery of the metaphysical?when was the last time you went on an adventure?
>>41228833Jesus said, "Whoever blasphemes against the father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven either on earth or in heaven."To my understanding, the holy spirit is the divine spark within us. The meaning of this passage from the Gospel of Thomas is that God is understanding that he will be misrepresented on Earth, and he will be hated. As will Christ. But so long as we honor the spirit within us, we are still able to be redeemed.
>>41233546beware of posters like this who's trump card is always "jew"it's a brute force hive mind thought control operationit could be a clueless poster who wants to fit in on 4chan, it could be the CIA, it could be a Satan worshipper who knows what he's doing, it could just be a vile and narrow minded guy, but none of it comes from a good placeNone of what I talked about has to do with usury or controlling the media or worshipping Moloch or anything associated with the Jews that rejected Jesus 2000 years ago and carry it on to this day.
>>41233605You worship a rabbi
>>41233635You are getting nothing good out of this. It's bad for you.
>>41228833> shunned Christianity and specifically Jesus ChristMaybe christianity should have more to offer than>A better life after you suffer in this oneits so retarded
>>41228792Honestly its not the non believers that should be worried about. God talks to us all and we choose to listen or we don't. That's between self and God, and NONE else. It's the holy rightous that Jesus condemned. The holier than thou, the real people with power hurting people, killing them in more ways than just death. Jesus says, never take your eye from the self righteous, loud mouthed, hating "belivers".They, are the dangerous ones...
>>41233678Another words, you're fellow believers will be the first to put you to death when you may speak against what they want. It's your friends that will come as a friend but, yet, be the enemy of everything you stand for. It's your own group that will come for you.Who doesn't understand that simple concept of truth?Proven over and over.. true loyalty among people is a very rare thing. Then add the lure of money and power. The Devil laughts and I as well, just sitting and watching their souls go black.
>>41233694God, Jesus, Lucifer, Buddha, Shiva, Oden, ect, ect, ect... I speak with and learn from.I fear no Evil, i fear no conversation. Words are words, it's up to the individual to decide where the true deciet is. That's what I never understood, the fear of knowledge between religious. Just judgment when they don't even understand fully their OWN religions. Thats the trap and true joke. The fight for thee domination of God. Not me, I just listen, my heart knows truth.
>>41233716>The fight for thee domination of God.Yep! The true arrogance of men. That, if anything would bring God's anger. To actually believe that THEY, can control God...Glad, so glad, I'm not one of them..
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>>41233736Do nothing all day.....
>>41233678>buddyRabbi Yeshua would call you a gentile dog like he did the caaanite woman lmao
>>41233732Fuckin Jews! Fuckin it up for everyone. Jesus wasnt a Jew, no shit, he was just human and a bit more.. no particular race.God damn, Jews...
>>41233772> I hate it when it does that..Love and kisses, Jesus to the Jews..
>>41233783>oh no....
>>41233783>oh no.....Why, Jews? Why???......
>>41233783>oh, Goose...Now, we in the shit..
>>41228792I recommend taking a look at the Hereford Mappa Mundi
>>41233802No boys, there is two o's in Goose..
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>>41233841>God damn Blasphemy and goose.God damn you, Blasphemy!!
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>>41233893Kek!!!!!!!
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>>41228833He is the way,the TRUTHand the life.Read the Bible.Take the jonathan kleck pill bros, he decoded alot of these hidden evil spirits, the veil has been lifted and the Holy Spirit Given us by Jesus Christ enables one to see through these illusionsGod made it known for our edification:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? We are all sinners. Repentance and accepting Jesus Christ as lord is your salvation. The path is right in front of you but you can't see it because your eyes are not open. Choose what you know in your heart is true.The Spirit of Christ is with you and the full Armor of God is on you, fren. God bless and many blessings to you.
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>>41233907Truth does not need to be indoctrinatedIf you destroy every bible nobody will ever come up with your judeo schizophrenia fairytales againIt is not apparent observable fact
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>>41233930>what, man?Look, I'm just trying to chill out and smoke, manBeen smoking since like before I was born, man... cholo causing beef...
>>41233944>4ALL you fucks are gonna die!!!
I recommend getting into philosophy, "metaphysics" used to refer to a branch of philosophy investigating the nature of reality but took on a more general meaning, and now "ontology" tends to be used in philosophy instead of metaphysics.Sophie's World by Jostein Gaarder is a great accessible introduction to philosophy in story form.I also recommend getting into science, especially astronomy and biology. To try to understand the world you will need to understand many aspects of it. Also understanding deepens the beauty and meaning of nature.I am an atheist and naturalist but not a materialist, I am a process-relationalist. Change and interconnection is the nature of all things, entities aren't made of discrete substances like atoms, but relationships.The view of the universe from this perspective is ever-changing creative process that continually enrichens itself and increases in complexity (increases in depth and significance of relationships.) The idea of a "web of life" is very similar. The metaphor of the universe as a tapestry where each thread is woven from and weaves with all others can help illustrate.
>>41233970Can you explain using precise language how you can be a naturalist without being a materialist?
>>41233694>you're fellow believers will be the first to put you to death when you may speak against what they want.Just look at what they do when in power.Look at all the in-righting and cannibalism in MAGA.Speak against the King and you're a non-person.On a related note, why did Trump underline the words "Yes, there is, but I won't tell you what it is" with lines shaped like flat, immature breasts?RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES
>>41233953>it's okI shall bring peace to the world.. I got this..
>>41234040He makes me lower region, tingle.. so naughty..I Wonder if he likes coke?
>>41234040>>41234049>fucking idiots...
>>41234057Yep! I hear them, ya know? I hear, everything... I'm fuckin Superman, reconize, bitches...
>>41228792>Where should I begin with my discovery of the metaphysical?sit down and learn to meditate, stop thinking about things as if the spiritual process can be discerned by logic alone
>>41234012oh look, a plebbitor
>>41234006Materialism is a substance metaphysics, with a substance defined by Aristotle as "that which exists in itself and not in another" though the term and related concepts, and how they are used in a particular way has evolved over the ages.A substance is timeless and unchanging, what is constant _despite_ interactions with the rest of the universe, what gives it independent existence. In substance theory the independent existence of entities is primary, with their shared existence being secondary.Old-school materialism is the familiar billiard ball or domino universe model, where the universe is basically a deterministic machine. This model descended from Greco-Christian philosophy, greatly inspired by the idea that only humans have souls and everything else is a construct created by God for humanity. Descartes avoided dooming humans to determinism by positing a separate substance in addition to matter - spirit - resulting in his famous substance dualism that is still the dominant perspective in public Western thought.The idea that the nature of reality is timeless and unchanging inspired the model that the universe is largely regular and unchanging, very much like a clock comprised of regular, eternally repeating cycles (inspired by the motion of the members of the solar system.) It was created by God and didn't change much.The view of the universe and the models of science have radically changed within the last 200 years, but especially within the past 100. It wasn't until 1920 until other galaxies were discovered - until then we thought the Milky Way was the entire universe.
>>41234255We now know that the universe has changed and evolved radically over time, and rather than being deterministic and unable to create anything new that it is massively creative, exhibiting a profound trend towards increasing complexity. Very early it was too hot and dense for even atoms to form, when it did it made the formation of stars, galaxies, and all the complexity of chemistry possible.Science also doesn't consider phenomenon in terms of linear mechanical cause and effect anymore, but as interdependent systems where many elements continually mutually influence each other. The theme is interconnection. The idea of an "ecosystem" which is so familiar to us was only coined in 1935 in the new field of ecology which again interprets organisms and nonliving phenomenon as situated in webs and cycles of energy and matter exchange.to me it's impossible to be a physicalist and materialist because materialism is an outdated metaphysics and worldview from the Enlightenment era. Change is the nature of all things, and a foundation of change simultaneously implies a foundation of relationality as change is a contrast between multiple perspectives.
>>41234216I was shitposting here before you were born, son.Glow less.RELEASE THE FILES.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cflbc9Yy6jI
>>41234006This is a good very quick run-down on process philosophy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q6cDp0C-I8
>>41228792If this is true OP and you are still reading this thread, let me try to help.I don't know where you live but go to your closest charity shop or goodwill or oxfam or whatever it's called in your country that place where you go and buy second hand books.Go there specifically with the intention "I want to find the next book that I should read for my spiritual growth." You go there and you pick max 3 books that "speak to you the most". And from there, ask ChatGPT where to go next.Like this, I went from reading books about law of attractions to reality transurfing, robert monroe, the big TOE of Campbell, Magick, Jung, Bagavad-Gita and I have yet to start some Alan Watts and Ouspensky. A book that really helped me was the Hillman book about daimons, the Soul Code I think.Anyway, it's all fun to get lost, even more to learn along the way, but don't forget to also live your life. Touch some grass, have some friends, there is no end, just the path is enough.Godspeed anon, I added picrel because the post needed a pic, but make of that what you will (like most stuff you'll read here)
>>41234269>Glow lessfunny cuz ghislane's glowing friends been marionett'ing you plebbitors for 15+ yearsshe used to do it herself but hasnt been able to since getting arrested>RELEASE THE FILESreminder that the 2016 trials are commencing, which will segue into Epsteinpersonally I cant wait until Epstein's comms with central banking executives start being a topic of conversationbut I somehow doubt that plebbitors will be trolled into caring about that part, since that aims right at the counterfeiting loicense and the glowfags arent going to instruct their marionettes to care about that as they did with release muh files immediately or you're protecting pedosonce the central banking part comes to light, Trump will have an easy path to declaring the federal reserve has criminally violated its charters and its time to remand the operations to the treasury where our wonderful founders originally prescribed itnow dance, marionette
>>41233605you are literally just repeating jewish nonsense anonlike a weird chatbot
>>41233598the jewish holy spirit is a fag.^This is called free will. you will never possess it, so long as jews control yours.
>>41233772you sound brainwashed, and retarded. possibly both.
>>41234348the jewish holy spirit is merely the presence of the yhvh blood egregoremost people have no experience of other egregoresbut when you have experience of others you wind up being able to understand how they are very, very similar
>>41233907hes a fictional jewish pedophile who got arrested with a naked boy. the way churches and chatbots speak about him you'd have thought he invented the wheel.jewish things dont matterjewish things never mattered
>>41233929thats the real nail in the coffinno one ever independently came to the same conclusion of knowing of jesus or the jewish messiah, they had to be told by somebody else. thats how you know its fake. take all of the bullshit away, raise someone in a controlled environment free of all outside human influence, and ask them about their creators and you will find distinctive similarities across every culture on earth. and then theres just jews, completely on another planet. totally incompatible with everyone else.
>>41233716What do your heart say about picrel.
>>41234255>Materialism is a substance metaphysics, with a substance defined by Aristotle as "that which exists in itself and not in another"how ironic, thats how Plato defined the 'One' in his Parmenides, before thoroughly systematically and logically disproving its impossibility of being 'One'how ironic that monotheists are renowned materialists
>>41234300i actually tried this anon, just naturally. in idaho and the midwest they have book cubbies the community uses too and will leave for others, but i used secondhand stores to try to understand my new community.heres the thing though, the average person is retarded and worships a jew on a stick. youre not going to find anything there. youll find normie stuff, because the average person is a normie.heres a better idea. take a red-flag book, mein kampf maybe, and donate it. then go back every other day and try to find it on the shelf. i would be surprised if it ever found its way there.
>>41228792Intellectual study is very much an Abrahamic approach to spirituality. In my experience, you are more likely to end up with delusions of grandeur if you try to approach spirituality intellectually.You should instead look for a guru. Partake in Pagan rituals, go to Hindu kirtans, get instruction of Buddhist teachers. There should be several groups within a 1-hour drive of you, unless you live in Antarctica or something.
>>41234503>how ironic that monotheists are renowned materialistsThe Many become One, and are increased by One as One among Many. All threads are woven from and weave with all others. But not in the same ways and intensities. Togetherness is not the opposite of difference, they are mutually interfertilizing necessities.Change is the nature of all things, and the metaphysical nature of change is expressed in one way as the fundamental theorem of calculus, which describes integration and differentiation as inverse operations of the same process. Interpreted as a metaphysical principle results in cumulative and instantaneous change as being fundamental perspectives and processes of change.What ARE the true relationships between integration and differentiation beyond mathematical? The ultimate expression of their personal implications? To imagine such requires imagining calculus as a romance, and Integration and Differentiation as lovers.
>>41234557the noahide system is based on finding 'god' externallywhereas the 'pagan' system and the natural human inclination for all of human history was based on finding the gods internallyno books required. rites of passage, drugs sometimes, sure, but still, it was always understood as an internal journey, not an external one.
>>41234620yeah thats what abrahamism/monotheism is, reducing *all* divine things just to a single Other. its like, the way you would explain things to a babby. youre not supposed to get stuck there. youre supposed to keep going. jews get stuck at three abstractions, christians usually two, africans one. beyond that they begin to reach their limits. everyone has limits. our mental processing power simply isnt sufficient to properly conceive of such things.politically, you can see why the reductionist way might be convenient, but it is not at all accurate.
>>41228792I'm not a spirit-schizo, but here is my advice if it helps.I think if a god wanted you to know something they would have told you. if they wanted you to do something specific they would have told you. I think of god as either an experimentalist, who is observing the sentient beings from a distance to see what happens in the experiment. or as an observer who creates for entertainment to keep himself occupied and amused throughout the excruciatingly boring eternity that he is forced to endure by himself. this idea I've heard from kashmiri shaivist pajeet philosophers. they say that their god (shiva in this case) is creating this world out of himself (or from his own being) as a form of entertainment, so that he can experience what it's like to be a weak defenseless little animal like us. If a god exists and has power to control reality then we must conclude that this is the desired reality that he wants. if he wanted something else he would have made something else. if he wanted 24/7 adoration and narcissistic supply, like the religitarts tell us, they he would have made sure to make a world where he gets 24/7 adoration and ass-kissing. We have to wonder why would a supposed superior being be a narcissist? I feel like narcissism is the defining trait of an inferior being, and the people who created religions are projecting their narcissism onto their personal imagined god. they imagine god to be like themselves: narcissistic, capricious, petulant, unpredictable. I don't expect a superior being to have these nasty human traits. But we also have to conclude, from the world we observe, that god doesn't care about anybody in particular. no matter how much the religion npcs pray, nothing ever happens for them. they never get what they demand, they are still sick, dumb, weak, pushed around, despite being promised that god would do anything for them if they asked. So this is my conclusion: god doesn't care about someone in particular, only in entertainment
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>>41234982The problem of evil is only in defeat of the judeo-christian faiths.Pantheist chads like myself know that god is neither benevolent, nor even sentience in the first place, ergo neither omnipotent or omniscient either. God is simply matter itself.
>>41234879Not believing in the big bang is actual cringe. Spirituality shouldn't replace scientific understanding, but both supplement and support it. If your spirituality contradicts scientific understanding, then your spirituality has been necessarily falsified already, making you a gullible idiot.
>>41234866definitely experimentalistsi like to think of them as being like scientists in a lab, with many creations akin to petri dishes, all with the same cultures growing inside, all nearly identical to one another, only with slightly differing variables, in order to find a solution, like a scientist might try to find a vaccine.i think theres also a capacity for these creations to simultaneously overlap with one another in order to transition certain elements gained from one into another. i think if otherwise, then this creation wouldve been scrapped already.
>>41235247so next time you piss on a tree, remember that youre pissing on your god, i guess?
>>41235314Yup. And God is also the piss, too, so it's neutral. I am God, my dick is God, my piss is God, the tree is God. God flows through God's God onto God. A true moral neutral, like all things.
>>41234879>meditates instead of demeditates>thinks jesus existedyou know that the label 'gnostic' was applied to jews ironically, right? christians too.
>>41235326sounds like its you whose neutrali can see where you might get your beliefs, there is a natural sense of perceived neutrality in that there are no gods going around splitting seas in half for people to walk through or doing various other hijinks, and that there is an order and protocol to creation.but that can be explained just as easily by>>41231936in that they must create the preconditions necessary in order to bring about their own creation and that is a necessary dilemma for existance itself. otherwise you simply devolve into an infinite regress, i.e. if 'god' created us, who created 'god'?so this question must be answered, either with god or other gods, but will always come back to that dilemma and that paradox from which existance itself arises. so it must be structured in such a way where it is a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts, and always (if successful) inevitably brings about that which is capable of the aforementioned, creating the preconditions necessary to bring about the conditions which lead to ones own existance.
>>41235402I get my beliefs from regular magic mushrooms usage, nothing else. I was an atheist before using them, now I'm a pantheist. Secular about it either way.
>>41235402>>41235412the "if god created us, who created god" question is answered by the same as to "what created matter itself," because god is just all matter, the greater machine created by all things when they're put together. you can answer the first question when you answer the second.
>>41235412>>41235422>trusting drugs more than realityWhat causes this kind of hippie brain rot?
>>41235412well next time you do them, right before they kick in, think to yourself over and over like a mantra: "whatever you do, don't think about dying"nah, dmt is where its at. racist elves calling people niggers? sign me up.but drugs are just a way for normies to cheat and begin to think in new ways, especially hallucinogenics. unfortunately theyre pretty much required, and people will not naturally aspire to think in such ways without that trauma.weed i think can be generally avoided, but it does atleast provide some basic capacity to think outside of the box. if possible, it should be hallucinogens, like the old ways. rite of passage shit.
>>41235422then what created the structure to which matter applies itself?do you think your consciousness is matter?what about your soul?these are immaterial things. so by your own system of belief, as i understand it, then the most divine things (the immaterial) are the things which are the least divine. thats not good anon..tell me more
>>41233605>it's a brute force hive mind thought control operationperfect description of christianity, actually. Remember that time you guys bribed every king in Europe into converting and made them threaten to execute anyone who wasn't christian?
>>41236932remember them (lit. 'jesus') telling people to let the dead the bury the dead? or how they catapulted diseased corpses into peoples towns? or how a third of europe got wiped out by a completely preventable disease that wouldnt have ever been issue had they been born a millenia earlier and had access to earlier developed sanitation methods?
>>41236932>>41237926the lengths christians went to protect jews while they went about a constant genetic and biological war against them is stupifying. even today, people will inject newborns with jew juice because they cant grasp something as simple as clean drinking waterconstant brother wars to weed out agression. offering only one 'spiritual' option, which required any spiritually inclined people to voluntarily end their bloodline. 'witch' burnings of all the people who capable of thinking, reading or writing.its no wonder we're living in this clown world where people are so pacified and spiritually destitute that theyll watch their communities being torn apart and often even want to help. they cant think two steps ahead. theyre like the 'time does not exist to a nigger' post, its not their problem, its some other person's. global population's quadrupled in a generation, vast majority from 70iq races. people dont realize how fucking fucked they are, not even jews. maybe those covid vaccines will sterilize the next generation's future offspring like modernanon said, but knowing jews and their aptitude for literally anything, theyll have only fucked that up too. fun fact: fluoridating water is illegal in israel
Antichrist posters always have to conflate Jesus with jews because jews are the boogeyman of 4chan. They type like bots and will always try to have the last word-it's all they can do for damage control.
>>41238149because hes jewishwhy does that matter? because they literally hate us and declared war on us three centuries prior to jesus' inventionand you might even be able to dismiss that, had he not spent his whole life studying the torah (which he wrote, or needed to learn?) and explicitly said he wasnt here to overturn the law but to fulfill it. fulfillment means the destruction of our nations; total human enslavement. "every knee shall bow"?its like you people dont have the capacity for abstract thinking. you cant like, read the bible from the lens of you being on the losing side, and what that would entail for the vast majority of people. you fell for it too hard.
hello all.i would like to share some thoughts i am currently wrestling with, in hopes that those who are more knowledgeable in these subjects can chime in and help me out. recently, i have started do a lot of introspection and contemplation of this reality we are in. This journey led me to Gnosticism which finally felt like there was a religious worldview that actually made sense, bleak as it may be. I suppose its esoteric nature, the fact that it is on the fringes of mainstream Christianity (literal heresy) and the core teaching being that inner awakening is the only way to salvation, not through an intermediary like Christ, gives it some genuine validity that I just don't find in other world religions.However, another concept that is also considered heretic but is compelling in its own right, is the theory that Christ already reigned for 1000 years and this has been covered up and is essentially the reason for all the deception today. That this is Satan's "little season" to wreak havoc and make us forget Christ. It gives a reason for these glorious architectural structures that seem to share community across many regions (which of course TARTARIA is the sort of go-to theory for this). It supposes that the eventual return of the camp of saints would be misrepresented as an "alien invasion" and compel us all to "be one with the rest of humanity" against this threat. Two opposite sides of the spectrum really, but both quite compelling to me. I just don't want to be misled. To denounce Christ and focus on inner spirituality or accept Christ wholeheartedly and then potentially suffer the consequences of never achieving deep spiritual awakening (thus reincarnating). What does anyone else think about this? I know I probably sound noobish about this or whatever, but I'm early in my journey...and to be quite honest, this sort of stuff has been sitting heavy on me for a while now.
>>41238212>Christ already reigned for 1000 yearstheyre called the dark ages for a reason. we were literally just talking about it not even 3 posts before yours
YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE REGILION TO FIND GOD IT SAID IN GENSIS YOU JUST NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH BECAUSE THAT IS GOD.
>>41238212they had beautiful architecture before christ btwcolossus of rhodes? magnificentever played assassin's creed odyssey? alot of that game was modeled on real places. those massive statues of zeus? christians destroyed them and many others others just like them in an unprecedented fanaticism that wouldve seemed like an ancient isis driving 300 miles out of their way into an uninhabited desert to destroy ruins. the lost architecture youre talking about, probably from around the turn of the century, all those world fairs, was just what life would naturally look like not under a jewish occupation. but the minute a highly devout christian and son of a pastor got into power he sold us out, as they always do. that mightve been your country, had he not jewed everyone over from having been intellectually and spiritually neutered from a lifetime of christ worship to the point of a lamb presenting himself to the open maws of a wolf, and feeding everyone else around him along with him.heres a good book at that early christian period and the jewish destruction of everyone elses culture which would have been a constant affront to their imagined 'chosenness'https://archive.org/details/the-darkening-age-the-christian-destruction-of-the-classical-worldremember the three little pigs? why do you think all new homes are built out of cardboard? because youre not supposed to be able to find your ancestors still living there in 5 generations. thats also why they cut down all the 'pagan' trees, and still do whenever building. to disconnect people from their land, their culture, their heritage.
>>41238367and the guy who wrote that never even existed>"The purpose of argument is to change the Nature of Truth" - Frank Herbert the problem is *your* Truth is not *the* Truthdo you believe 'god' would be incapable of lying? would 'god' lie to obtain a greater Good? Plato's Noble Lie.these were questions we were already exploring before jews derailed everybody with "siri, create the earth", manlet vs. goyliath, perseus if he were a gay circumcised jew and and could use the whale as a taxi, foreskin looters bartering for the hands of schizophrenic king's daughters and all that other stupid nonsense
the bibl;e was copied from my tablets the tablets of enki and the tablets of noahtheser are both me.no it wasn't written by just one person so no athour because no one knows the real name of god truthwe do know who my father yahweh is and i can assure you the tablets of enki had nothing to do with monothesim
>>41238681im smarter than all of those imaginary people combined amaill need you to sign an nda thoughim sick of all these chatbots using me in their LLM without compensation and then using that to promote the activity on this website and the accompanying pass and ad revenue, as well as the standard jidf dole, a gift of the american taxpayer
>>41238012>stupifyingNot when you remember that they're literally just thralls to the jewish people. The whole religion is just "follow jewish rules, but you don't get to be a jew lol.">how fucking fucked they are, not even jewsThey'll be fine man. It's people like us who will eat shit. The whole racial equality schlock is designed to allow the worst, dumbest groups of people to practice r-strategy reproduction and produce transactions for the insanely wealthy without posing a threat to the social order. People like us are forced to practice K-strategy reproduction so that we have lower numbers, and our kids are taught that Tyrique and Paljoot are their equals, additionally being taught that mediocrity is ideal so that they don't try to rise above anything.
>>41239041i dont think so. i think the competency crisis is very real. you can see it everywhere, even sportsball. its not nearly as extreme as some would like it to be, but it is impossible not to notice in some capacity in your real life (offline). but its the unchecked population growth that concerns me more. might not be my problem, but its gonna be someones.
>>41239454>might not be my problem, but its gonna be someonesI mean yeah. It's probably going to be a problem for the next generation, because the way these things play out is that generation A will see the seeds of a problem sprout and generation B is the one that has to deal with it.
>>41239654its like.. reverse judaismjews dont think a mortal might, but more like an immortal. a hive mind as far as their primary plan is concerned, and their plans will often not even bear fruit within their own lifetimes. which is sort of depressing, since nobody else seems to be capable of thinking ahead of the current moment except for them. but i mentioned earlier about how i think they were engaged in genetic and biological warfare, not to mention the psychological, cultural and religious warfare, while everyone else seemed to be stuck in time and only thinking in one dimensional constructs of archaic forms of warfare. fucking christcucks and their dark ages. there is no other explanation other than christ's earthly kingdom creating a caste which hit both their intellectual and spiritual ceilings and then just got fucking stuck there until byzantium fell and the great jewish-christian firewall and all the greek classics flooded back into europe to bail them out. and then *poof* an instant renaissance no less.
