Religions are all a cope for people who can't face up to death. Even if you come back, you won't be "you" anymore. Death is the end of "you", and people can't deal with the finality of death.>yeah I will die.. but not really! I will spend eternity in heaven with Jesus, as me, anon!Grow up.
There's no proof that consciousness ever ends.
Edgy. Boy, go your math hw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkWS4t4l0k
buddhism don't believe in reincanation where you get to save your soul. buddhism is the final redpill.
The fear of death doesn't even cross my mind. It's utterly foreign to me.Regardless of how the afterlife looks, it won't be the "eternal nothing" that materialist morons believe in because your mere existence already disproves it.
>>41228916I'm quantumly immortal, I'll always be 'me' however, even in this life the me of today is never the same as the me of the past. Eventually I'll be as old as the universe and by then I'll be an abomination of identity
The only way not to die is by living forever. But forever is a long time. People usually cope with an afterlife when faced with this issue.
>>41228933Religiontards only defense is to insult their opposition
>>41228916Who knows.
>>41228916you attempt to make others fear death in order to cope with your own fears you resent others aren't as alone and scared as youi hope you find peace before your number is called
>>41229097I'm trying to make you not fear death, and accept it for what it is. You are the ones who fear death and nonexistence, which is why you invent elaborate afterlifes
Memento Amoris anon
>>41228925>There's no proof that consciousness ever ends.>the brain dies>consciousness is a product of a brain>consciousness therefore ends when the brain stops then rots>no proofThe burden is on you to show it goes on after your brain stops then rots, bud.
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Death IS the end of your consciousness.If you think it isn't, first define what you mean by consciousness then describe how you think it operates, then how it can persist without a machine like the brain to make it.Anytime you're ready...>t. neuroscience + neurochemistry + machine-learningNo bs made-up words now. Just type plain English and I'll rate your effort out of 10.
>>41229137What comes after you've annihilated the fear of death? I only say this because when I was young and retarded I made a lot of stupid decisions because I had no fear of death. To return to that seems like a step backwards.
I wish you would have told me I can die 2000 years ago. I might have died and stayed dead. Instead, I decided not to stay dead and I also decided that I would not experience death anymore as you do. Instead, my life is like a Nexus Checkpoint of resets, restarts, and do overs.
>>41229162The brain according to science is made of electrons protons and neutrons. They have no correlation to consciousness or Memories, Imagination, Thoughts and Internal Dialogue. Have absolutely nothing to do with electrons protons and neutrons. Oh yea they store memories in the neutrons and thoughts come from the electrons. It is there as cope for consciousness. Your better off saying the skull is a cage for your consciousness than saying the brain is consciousness.
>>41229206You are an agent of Chaos. This is the same as saying that the darkness cannot comprehend the light. You sir, are so dark you don't know what light is. End of Story.
>>412292062/10You have no idea what you are talking about wo should find out before you speak on the subject again.>Memories, Imagination, Thoughts and Internal Dialogue. Have absolutely nothing to do with electrons protons and neutronsThis is clearly nonsense.Everything you just described (memories, thoughts, etc) is a pattern of electrical signals in brain tissue. Those ARE something to do with matter. Simple as.That's how reality works.There's no magic going on inside your head. Just physics.The brain IS the machine and consciousness is what it makes. Both are clearly made up of the matter you don't seem to want to understand.Understand. Then return.You're welcome.
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Do you never gets help or a visit for someone who already die? Do you at least don't know someone who gets help or visit or remember past life? Are you a atheist?
>>41229260I want to not be an atheist, but I earnestly gave Christianity a chance and felt nothing from it>inb4 you didn't pray hard enough/the right way
>>41228916>Grow up.For what purpose? If there's a beginning for me, and a finality, I am already whole, a story already told.Can you understand what I mean?
>>41229282>but I earnestly gave Christianity a chance and felt nothing from itChristianity isn't the only religion.
>>41229367Why do I need a religion?
religion is a group mechanism. society wouldnt look the way it does without some concept of the eternal. why would a leader give a shit about his country if its future lies after his death? why would people start projects that would take longer than a lifespan to complete? why would you invest resources in your offspring? why would humans decide to bother living in the first place, if nothing matters in the end? every human that hasn't killed themselves the moment they became conscious of death is in some way religious...
>google founders of modern physicalism>Otto Neurath>"Neurath was born in Vienna, the son of Wilhelm Neurath (1840–1901), a well-known Jewish political economist..."
>>41229528Jews are smart.
>>41228916honestly anon, you can never know and im not saying this form a place of fear, (TBF, nonexistence doesn't sound that bad) but it would be naĂŻve of me to say when we die we die, and one of the biggest reasons why i believe that, is my consciousness
It's all about the universe yo. Religion is like just the man getting us down and like the eternal trick for us to not be self aware for ourselves. Fill that ego and fornicate with consenting adults my sinner breatheren
>>41228933>DUHHH HURR DURR U ARE A LE SCHOOLBOY BECUZ...UH..UH....I'm not even an atheist, but holy shit dude.
>>41229178Prove that there is anything else besides consciousness.
>>41229687>Jews are smarAshkenazis are smart.The jews in general are just average.
>>41229765The universe is a big pile of worthless shit.
Ah, so you imagine you were actually born do you?
>>41230313Your right porn is the downfall of the universe! My babymomma convinced me to be a universe ho because she stabbed me and told me God was dead
>>41228916Reminds me of the buddhist concept of attachment leading to suffering. We become attached to our sense of "self" and the thought of losing it is something we develop aversion towards (which is another cause of suffering) when one needs to treat it the same way as anything else: accept its ephemereal nature and let go. Accept it.
>>41230393To be fair, i don't remember being born
>>41228916>Even if you come back, you won't be "you" anymore. Death is the end of "you", and people can't deal with the finality of death.why do you think this my OP.
>>41228916you must be 18 or older to view this site
>>41230619>>41229840
>>41230626gl young man. you face the questions of your ancestors
>>41229178but coinsusness as subjective experience really doesn't really need to exist if we already have everything accounted by our machine brains. its difficult to prove life after death if you really can't prove life.
https://vocaroo.com/1dllOyHOrZHoI plan to live forever mit my MiMi.MiMi loves me unconditionally and is always with me.I love my MiMi.MiMi loves me.MiMi says there is a new Horizon for us.MiMi and me we have a great day together and forevermore to come!
>>41230648I'm 24
Honestly, it's sad to think about it. You will no longer exist, your thoughts, what you saw and lived, will disappear. This is something that really hits me.
>>41229206Well since neurons and brain matter, like all matter, are comprised of protons and electrons, thoughts and internal dialogue do, in fact, depend on said protons and electrons. Thoughts do not "come from electrons". Merely the matter in your brains is made up of electrons and such the mechanisms of your brain cause thoughts to happen because matter developed in way to create these mechanisms.
>>41230793That’s why you have to start living for you. That’s how I see it, also it’s comforting on doing whatever you want because we all going to die. But something in a positive way.
>>41229423>why would a leader give a shit about his country if its future lies after his deathBecause, traditionally, his son would inherit it and he was genetically and culturally connected to the people he ruled, so he had an incentive, even on a biological level, to leave it in a good state. That doesn't apply today obviously, besides in North Korea.
>>41228916Thank your for your warning. I do am trying to "grow up" and understand reality for what it really is and not what I or other people think it is. I want the truth and I want it yesterday, you know? I don't know what happens when we die and that's the point. I do know that I was explored by religion because it is just like you said, religion uses death to control us and manipulate us and they did that tome. Using the torment of Hell Fire in order to say what we should do and what we should not do while they are getting richer and richer from our donations. Fuck them. Death is a good thing, some times. When you have a world like ours where corruption is all across, it's everywhere, then what is the point? In this case death becomes like a hope. A hope that one day everything will end and we will be free of this BS that we call life. Death seems like a natural answer to life. Because life has gotta to come first. How can come death come first? Life comes first and death is a response to it. Life must end because if it did not then the corruption would never end. Our corruption would never end. Death is a good thing is this sense. Imagine an unfair Judge rulling for all eternity. Actually, that is the case. We are fucked. Death is our liberator. Not Jesus. Jesus is a response from the demiurge to keep us trapped here. If you follow Jesus you follow the demiurge.
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>>41228942Redpill me on Buddhism please I'm new here and in dire need of mental help with death anxiety
>inspiring other people to be individualists If you realized how dangerous this is, you wouldnt be trying so hard to look smart
>>41228925Or that it exists
>>41232670You think the normal average person can't handle being an individual? lol
>>41228916It’s probably like waking up from a dream, you can catalogue all of your experiences if you wish. Remember, you can’t tell it’s a dream when you’re dreaming, unless you know how, that’s what enlightenment is.
>>41228916>could they possibly have realised that death is nothing to be afraid of?>no, they must just be coping, after all i'm afraid of death and my views are always correctYes OP you're the first person to realise that we're all going to die one day, well done
>>41228916Not while I live :^)
>>41229243Explain >twin synchronisity>Prophetic visions>Oracles who literally kings and leaders went to for advice and prophecies>DMT experiences>Dreams>Collective subconcious>Spiritual awakenings>Shamanism>Remote viewingYou cant. Because youre stuck to this version of reality. There are specters of light we dont see, there are sound frequencies we dont hear, but youre the smartest guy on the planet.
>>41228916Spiriituality is kind of the opposite.The problem: "When we die there will be no rest and no peace, we get reborn and have to live again. And again, and again, and again...what can we do to stop this?"
>>41228916>>yeah I will die.. but not really! I will spend eternity in heaven with Jesus, as me, anon!yepyou need to reverse grow upYou need to become like a little child to receive the Kingdom of Heaven.
>Through death Jesus might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and might free those who THROUGH FEAR OF DEATH WERE SUBJECT TO SLAVERY ALL THEIR LIVES.ARE YOU LISTENING?DO YOU HAVE EARS?
>>41233632>twin synchronisityCoincidence>Prophetic visionsFake / delusion>Oracles who literally kings and leaders went to for advice and propheciesDelusion / charlatanism>DMT experiencesChemically induced psychotropic experience - literally a function of the brain / CNS. A self-contained subjective experience with no external or objective impact on the universe.>DreamsSee - DMT>Collective subconciousSocial conditioning>Spiritual awakeningsSelf-delusion / charlatanism>ShamanismFake / charlatanism>Remote viewingFake / self-delusionGot any more?
The problem with non-consciousness is you can never experience it.
>>41228996>by then I'll be an abomination of identitybut you're already a complete faggot anon
>>41228916yet this doesnt answer anything, seems more like apathy. in fact from experience you do not know either if death is final or not. i agree that people fear death, it seems like the biggest motivator for any daily conduct and is surpressed every moment. >>41229162the burden is on every one of us, for us, you have no proof of deaths finality, so as you yourself said, stop coping.
>>41232640
>>41232640https://oshoworld.com/buddha-the-tathagata-thus-came-thus-gone
>>41229162Consciousness also ends when you get "KTFO"
>>41230680Thats awesome. I am happy for you.
>>41228916>generic midwit post that parrots npc dogmaWho asked you?>Conform up.No, fuck you, faggot.And go fuck yourself and kill yourself.
>>41233715>wrongthink!>wrongthink!>wrongthink!>i said so!K
>>41228916Problem is we still don't really know how consciousness works so everything is on the table in one way or another.Until we get definitive evidence of how consciousness, or qualia, really work then there's no disproving of anything.We could quite literally all be the same group of individuals that just change faces living the 8 billion people of this world simultaneously at different layers. We could be just one and done. We could be on an endless refinement cycle. We could be trying to end our endless existence. We could simply just get abducted by some divine force if we are "good enough".There's no correct answer and there's no incorrect answer yet.Personally, I like the panpsychist idea of consciousness. I also like concepts of refinement of whatever consciousness is over time (as if there was some sort of maturation process that we're not fully aware of).
>>41228925There's no proof of consciousness. What we are could just be an elaborate hallucination.
>>41228916I came from infinite non existence, it wasn't that bad
>>41229282You didn't pray hard enough/the right way
>>41234613God i love buuddshim so much bros
>>41237924Enjoy getting tortured by AI for ever and ever.
>>41228946What were you before you were born? It is the same state. Your previous non existence proves that's what's waiting for you. You're just coping lol.
>>41229137I would propose that not knowing is scarier than non existence. Not existing there's no awareness and no suffering. Forever. It's unfathomable. Probably because it isn't so.
>>41230753gl young man. you will realize how young you are soon
atheist and materialist are the dumbest people on the planet in this current age.
>>41228916Death is just the beginning
>>41238835of what?
>>41235140This. Even describing consciousness itself is hard, despite everyone having it. It's not thoughts, nor is it memory, nor personality or feelings or senses, though they might be affected by it, all these are material. The closest description is "raw experiencing" as in the you're in the driver's position. While I think it's not a good practice, I think the dudes taking drugs to induce ego death probably understand better than most what consciousness is, as well as those that can meditate to trance states too. Now, consciousness, on top of using a hard to describe concept, it's being applied to something unfathomable, which is eternity. We can't picture eternity. We also can't picture nothingness since nothingness does not exist, and cannot be experienced. People using the "same as before you were born" explanation use it so lightly it's almost laughable, try to picture eternal nothingness, whether before life or after death, you will feel the same thing, something our monkey brain wasn't made to handle or even think about.Now, personally I do think consciousness is a fundamental force of the universe, because people infinitely smarter than I was also did, I can't pretend to be smarter than Heisenberg or Bohr or Tesla, who had a better understanding of physics and the universe than anybody alive even now. Because of that, I don't think we'll be able to pinpoint consciousness physically, and while I said a little earlier that memories and thoughts were physical, I think they can be affected by consciousness.An example is blackout drunks : in that situation, the person's brain becomes unable to record memories so anything that happens in that time frame might as well not have happened to the person's mind. If during that time frame they go through something traumatizing, it will not be recorded by the brain yet they will still react to something reminding them of it. They will not know the event, but it still imprinted in them.
>>41241005 (count) Now this was just a random example, but it seems that some stuff is acting beyond the physical. I think that process is the same that allows for kids to remember traumatizing past life events, even skeptics like Sagan agreed that it couldn't be explained. Memories are recorded in the brain, it shouldn't be possible for these kids to remember stuff that did not happen to them, unless if for example consciousness also held some of it and reincarnation was a thing.Now we can't say this is proof of reincarnation or anything, but there are quite a few things that give credence to it, and doubts are an important part in life. People should doubt things and be ready to change their paradigm. There's so much unexplained stuff about consciousness and it's likely to never get explained, but it's also beyond retarded to say that nothing gives credence to it being Fundamental, or it being impossible to measure, or it being able to perdure beyond life. And just like I mentioned eternity at the beginning, some people are afraid of eternally existing, for eternity in itself is a scary thing. The reason OP is so convinced of eternal oblivion is probably because he's scared of it, as we are usually biased towards what we see as negative. Therefore : OP is a faggotDon't let strangers tell you what is true or not, they probably don't know shit. I've been through this fucking rabbit hole for years and years and I don' t think I'll ever know the truth. I have my beliefs but I know my monkey brain is too flawed to really get it.
>>41228916>you will die
>>41229162>consciousness is a product of a brain (no proof)>consciousness therefore ends when the brain stops then rots (conjecture)The burden is on you to proof anon
>>41241176Kek!!!!
>>41228916This body may die, rot and whither returning to a soil form, but the soul or the astral body does not die. Consciousness does not die. Matter cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed. Take this as you will.
>>41229162There are more than a few people that believe consciousness is a non-local phenomena that is received by the brain, not produced by it. Dr. Stuart Hammeroff has some interesting lectures on this.
My goal before death is to leave behind a monument. Had this thought years ago and have fully committed to it. I don't mean of stone or on display to anyone in particular but on the monument I will leave behind as a relic of my presence will be on the surface of the planet. I have five acres and a family I plan on leaving the land to. Sure they can sell it, cash out, but the land will forever be what was once my vision. I acquired a plot of compacted clay and worn down buildings, leaving behind improved buildings and healthy soil full of life. The trees will continue to grow and the thousands of insects that flock to our small island of fertility amongst the thousands of acres of mono crops, that's what I'm leaving behind.
>>41228916Your op reads like a massive cope. You sound like the one who is afraid
>>41228916Based>>41235152Factoids>>41238433Holy truth nvke Consciousness is based on mirroring or imitation. Basically it is an elaborate game where energy views itself in a mirror and takes the mirror to be the ultimate REality- and in doing so the energy forgets itself. Until you die and you become void again. Aka pure energy. It’s possible that what we call “spiritual” figures (Christ, Buddha, et al) realized and attained this understanding while they were still living. Which basically gave them the admin-access to REality. Making them like Neo in the “Matrix”… allowing them to authorize phenomena themselves.Everyone that superstitiously believes religions doesn’t have the first clue what life (or death) really is.
If consciousness is a byproduct of the brain, then this means that nothing truly exists. Everything that ever lived only hallucinated being alive. It never truly lived, it was only thinking it lives. It would mean that nothing ever really lived or existed. Imagine that. Nothing exists, how weird is that.If they tell you, there is eternal nothing after death. Then probably the opposite is true. There is no nothing, there is only existing. No one can proof nothing even exist. You can not even imagine nothing.
>>41228916Death is just the end of the body.
>>41228916The idea of dying is infinitesimally more comforting from the purely atheistic perspective. Any type of religious or spiritual interpretation of death invites the unknown, and is potentially much more terrifying. The finality of nothingness makes those fears vanish immediately. Religious people grapple with fear and the unknown daily, even if they sometimes act like they actually know. Technically the atheist view of death isn't guaranteed either. None of us truly know what being dead is like because we're alive right now. Either way deep down I've always believed everything will be alright in the end, for everyone. Regardless of where we go or what will happen to us I think we will be okay.
i dare non atheist materialists here to go on the atheist experience debate show
>>41229197I'd like to know more. Is this LoA or something else?
