is there any truth to the black sun archetype?
>>41233381This. Suffering itself does not build character.The way you react to suffering does something to your coping mechanisms though.
No only abusers say that shitIt only gives you trauma, mental illess ad health problemsarchons love idiot people who think making loosh is noble
>>41233375this is is what mahitoschizo look like int he astral relm. And mahitoschizo has DID (alot of character) `so i would say Yes it dos
>>41233375Not exactly. The decision to choose it over the easy path, that builds character. Results may vary.
>>41233375Only if you're willing put aside your ego and learn lessons in the process. Lesson number one would be that suffering does not matter that much. By truly absorbing that lesson you would build some character.
>>41233375>>41233381Suffering builds character but not on account of the feeling of suffering itself but what it stems from - an obstacle, a problem, tough times to bear. In tune with popular meme, it's being forced to either adapt or bear and then overcome the difficulty that builds character. Like in other aspects of life, be it physical training, where body/muscles need to be strained to build up and the toughest work done to bring results unachievable otherwise. By comparison, smooth sailing and lack of discipline is why mentally weak people, once they inevitably do face tougher times - cannot deal with it, since they had no experience preparing them. It's also why many succesful, rich people surrounded by sycophants become spoiled - lack of people who'd contest their attitude and force them to grow means they don't need to grow - so they don't and they never refine their stance.I myself can admit that often only having my opinions and attitudes contested or called out led me to reevaluate and correct some of them. If I'd never face any opposition, then they'd seem perfectly fine and I wouldn't even think they do need reevaluation. So it is with practically every human being.I agree it is an excuse by bullies and I'd claim that in their case it makes no excuse for their behavior since not only an average person struggles enough, it's clear bullies bully for personal satisfaction, rather than to lift up others. And while others may overcome bullying anyway and grow from that, it'll be success despite bullies actions, not because of them - and it still will often leave an ugly mark or outright damage long-term some unable to overcome it. Therefore bullies are still disgusting and net loss due to their presence typically outdoes any positive effect.Easy, quickly dealt with situations never force one to improve to tackle them. Hard, unmanageable ones break ones unprepared. Like lifting heavy weights when one never even lifted light ones.
>>41233375A certain amount does but too much destroys you
>>41233375Suffering doesn't build character, in that sense that you need suffering first to create a character.Suffering is a byproduct of character construction, especially so in a mechanical world like ours.A character will have likes/dislikes. The second they construct said likes that means that they can be in state of suffering by not having/fear of losing thing they like and vice verse thing they hate. If someone was to remain a blank nothing with no desires, they'd have nothing to suffer over as they wouldn't care. That's why Buddhism tries to get you to stop wanting anything as its the only way to truly guarantee no suffering. In a perfect world like a dream where you get anything and everything you want magically then there is no suffering as you'll always have what you want and it can never be taken way. Suffering isn't needed inherently required.
>>41233530You talk about something else. You speak of developed personality having opinions and approach toward things and so perceiving things it lacks or dislikes.This topic is purely about experiences, especially the challenging ones forcing one to find way to adapt circumvent or overcome those challenges, thus growing.
>>41233557>This topic is purely about experiences, especially the challenging ones forcing one to find way to adapt circumvent or overcome those challenges, thus growing.That's not suffering though. That's a challenge, an obstacle. It doesn't inherently imply suffering of any kind. Those experience definitely can be beneficial, but suffering does not need to be there and is not a requirement.You're trying to talk about situations you are forced into which require you to do something in order to avoid an undesirable outcome. I'm saying that in a perfect would the consequences of said outcomes wouldn't need to exist. But that wouldn't mean that people couldn't and shouldn't still want those challenges. Learning to climb a mountain would be a fun experience and would require a lot of physical strength and knowledge. Knowing that if you died you'd magically be revived to try again wouldn't make the challenge to overcome any less exciting to learn to overcome. I guess you could say that its the real suffering is by lacking the kind of experience knowledge, the application of said strength and wisdom that can only be gained by actually doing the thing. I get what you mean by the idea that having basic stuff people don't want to happen (death) can force people into situations in which they have to adapt. And if we lived in a magical work where death never occurred, it'd minimize the amount of scenarios people would be forced to adapt to and learn from as there's nothing bad that could happen to them. I do think a lot of stupid people would end up being pretty dull people as they'd never have to learn new things. But I don't think it means we can't ever chose to be in such a scenario willingly, the thrill of learning new things should be an inherent desire of people. Suffering though a useful tool to make it happen shouldn't and isn't the only way for said experience to occur.
>>41233464Unlikely. It's not a difficult lesson, nor a harmful one.
>>41233509Someone who knows
>>41233375Only nerve power builds character. Someone who suffered a lot is stronger because he tends to work out so he can defend himself, therefore excellent cardio, body and brain condition, secondly, someone like this also can not afford to drink or be hungover or even fap, even stressing himself out is unnafordable to someone like this so he is an expert meditator aswell. If you suffer a lot and are still a hedonistic fuck with a weak body, suffering will strip your character down to the level of a female toddler. Character is mostly physical unfortunately. Go fap 10 times today, your nervous system will be so fried you won't be able to make eye contact and for some reason you will notice everyone suddenly treats you like shit
>>41233375Suffering purifies karma, so periods of suffering can reduce your karmic burden and free your mind from confusion and wickedness. So it can be helpful. But it needs a spiritual context to realize the suffering as a karmic process of purification. Without that it usually just leads to more bitterness.
>>41233582Yes, it's a negative motivator but suffering of a state you're forced to change to avoid suffering is exactly what OP's saying refers to. I do not claim it's the only motivator and source of experiences, but it - and its sources - are often the only potent source of self-refinement and willingness to struggle to resolve that source of suffering, by the same token building character.Sadly, purely positive motivators and experiences do not build said character like that.
