Only 1 in 10 people understand the essence. The remaining half are delusional. And the other half only understands what they want to understand and twists it to serve their own ego. I will have to correct this misunderstanding in this thread. I will explain it to you in more detail because now that I am using a translation program it should be easier.First of all, Buddhism did not exist to serve the political ideology of the Nazis. Those who are crazy about "Aryan" and then "lose their minds" when they find that Furry like me talks about deeper things than you guys understand. Buddhism is not meant to be used to insult other people, but to get rid of suffering and defilements.For example, using a picture of "Chud" the murderer and superimposing it with a picture of Buddha to make a meme. It's not funny and it's disgusting.Joking posts make me laugh. And harmless humor is better than invoking strict ethics to make me feel bad. That is "bad verbal karma"You will never be able to attain arahan or attain nirvana if you do not have the Eightfold Path. And one of them is right speech and right action.
I'm not really in an environment to completely practice strict adherence to most paths like this, but I'm interested in what I can do.What are some general guidelines for purifying oneself
2. I never said I achieved nirvana or became an arhat. Or there are Jhans or Jhana (people often get confused about these two words because they are pronounced similarly)And immediately one of the "Anonymous" attacked me saying that I "claimed" that I had attained Nirvana and that this would be my karma preventing me from achieving Nirvana ever again.It was clear that he did not understand Buddhism. Because there are only 5 kinds of karma that will prevent nirvana.(after die)Murder: Killing one's mother.Patriarchal murder: Killing one's father.Arahant: Killing an Arahant.Lohituppada: Attacking the Buddha until he was covered in blood.Sangkhaphet: Incites the Sangha to split up, destroys the Sangha.And even if these karma were truly performed like Devadatta He can still become the next Buddha and enter nirvana after he has undergone his karma for a long time. Metteyya- last buddha of this Gulpa
>>41239415Keep the 5 precepts. Don't talk to make people feel bad without any reason. You're on 4chan that's dead. There are people here who do bad karma every day. And Jae must face these tests in not being angry.This is the simplest little part. Then you should start Vipassana meditation. Set your breath in and out. Notice your body awareness. Don't be fooled by the thoughts. Let the mind be with the body.Do it until you understand. It's not reading what I type and then using "imaginary wisdom" or using the wisdom that comes from imagining yourself entering it. You must take action.
>>41239519>imaginary wisdomThere is the trap, even in meditation, of visualizing too much (or at all). What advice do you have for those in this trap?
And if you know me well I always said I didn't want nirvana. Because I know it's too difficult for me to do. What I want in spreading Buddhism is to accumulate good karma in order to have the power to understand and attain Dhamma or Nirvana in future lives.I don't know, maybe I don't want Nirvana at all. Because it's like literally disappearing from everything. And by the way, there is another thing that I am very interested in besides Buddhism: Taoism.Who knows? "Wanting" to go to Nirvana might just be another desire. Just like clinging to magic and jhana.Many people who meditate attain Jhana. Especially those who focused on Kasina until they got Jhan. Often deluded into thinking that one has already achieved Like they saw the light or great joy Or various visions occur There was great peace. They may be delusional that they have attained arhatship.Which isn't yet. It is only by being attached to Jhana or Jhan that they do not understand that even Jhana and Jhan are governed by the Triple Law. That is impermanence and decay.
>>41239452Praise Tamamo-no-Mae.
>>41239538Humility helps to ease this. In visions, we try to picture what we choose. What we want, and often the things we want appear. We want to be heroic. Correct. Right. Picture yourself incorrect. Wrong. Not the hero. A cog in the machine. But for a moment. Enough to tether these visions to reality. Nothing wrong with having visions and ideals but they can blind us if we believe they are fate and factual.Chip away at fantasies, embrace small moments of humility and the waking world. You have limits and your mind is impatient. Teach it patience. Teach it to chew it's food before swallowing big ideas.
>>41239395One thing the Buddha teaches is to be a gay faggot who dresses up like an anime wolf and angrily argues with strangers from western countries on internet forums
>>41239395Doesn't seem right to assume that you know western peoples' understanding of Buddhism.
>>41239538My advice is to practice it yourself until you really understand it. It is not understood through imagination. Or believe what I say The Buddha taught that you should not believe anything easily, even if the words come from a teacher, come from a textbook, or have been told over and over.If you practice stimulating knowledge to become proficient, you will understand for yourself that Your mind became calm and your power approached the first level of Jhana. That is, separating nāmā from form.You will begin to see how your feelings and your body are separate parts and how they are connected. To be able to separate nāmā from form, you must practice separating nāmā from nāma. Separate form from forms first to be proficient. Easier said than done.Consider your slow walk on the ground. That each step has what actions and actions that occur? It's like you're watching a slow-motion picture. Every reaction in daily life This is how to separate forms from forms.
>>41239550I have an idea regarding the concept of moksha in Hinduism.What if instead of trying to eliminate all desires and break free from samsara, you integrate it.Like in the spiritual circles how they say in order to overcome your shadow, you must integrate it.Just a thought that I've had for a little while, I'd love to hear your opinion on it
>>41239588LOLNonsense, he doesn't teach that. It is my old karma or "wasana" that has to be Furry. What do you know? There was an Arahant in the Buddha's time. He went around cursing people with vulgar words (but cursing in order to become a better person). His disciples went to ask the Buddha Why did he become an Arahant and still speak so rudely? The Buddha replied: Even if one is an Arahant, one cannot escape from Vasasna.Just as the Buddha still suffered bad karma from his past actions. Even now that he has attained Buddhahood, he cannot escape it.>>41239576:)
>>41239643I don't know. There are many sects that disappeared during the Buddha's time. Because it's more serious. or more slack For example, Ajahn Kolsala Those who believe that we go through rebirth and death and will be freed on our own. Good and bad things happen because of random fate. We don't really have any freedom. The Buddha's disciples went to talk with them. But he didn't respond. After listening, he left. Because the teaching doesn't match. They do not believe that free will exists or that karma exists.For me who believes in Buddha I have to say that thinking about things like this is "อจินไตย4". It's something we shouldn't waste time thinking about because it doesn't help us escape suffering. If we haven't reached a higher level of insight or understanding, thinking about these things will drive us insane.
>>41239395Understanding Buddhism isn't the point of Buddhism, so why the fuck do you give a shit?
>>41239723I am spreading the teachings so that you guys will stop misunderstanding, accumulate merit, and you have misunderstood. Spreading religion is a part of Buddhism. (Though not as serious as Islam or Christianity.) The Buddha "chose" to spread his teachings after his enlightenment, even though he knew better. He sought enlightenment even though he knew that his teachings were too difficult for normal people to understand.and in order to inherit the age of Buddhism Even though it must have deteriorated according to the prophecy.
>>41239764Why should one seek understanding from you, rather than the teachings of the Buddha which are readily available?
>>41239819It is said that high level Jhana practitioners can read people's minds. He could immediately sense what that person was thinking, like an adult knew what a child was thinking. Because he had long practiced considering separating nāmā from nāma and understanding the relationship between nāmā and form.I think I'm starting to understand. It might actually be possible.
>>41239395buddhism is a sad cope religion of defeatist cowards. It does not serve humanity, it's just a suicide cult of quitters. If you actually think that any religion is a guide to anything but neutering yourself you've fallen for the trap.
The difference between Jhana and Jhan or "Dhyāna"No wonder they misunderstood. It has a similar pronunciation and even Thai people are confused by it.Jhana is knowledge and insight that comes from contemplating Dhamma. or Vipassana practice It gives wisdom to see the truth in things such as remembering one's life. or giving up desires. there are 16 jhanaAs for Jhan or "Dhyāna" it is a state in which the mind is firmly concentrated by focusing on emotions. which is the result of practicing samatha meditation make the mind calm and refined. - focus Kasina These two things are paths to nirvana that come from different paths but go to the same place. This is the reason that some Arahants have great power, while others do not or have very little, but some are good at explanations and wisdom.However, the Noble Eightfold Path is necessary for both of them to achieve it.Many people train all their lives and fail to achieve anything. Some people can achieve it with just a little practice. This is the power of old merit, old karma or vasana.
>>41239881>>41239932You say this because you understand very little about the enormity and length of time.Do you know what will happen in the future after WW3, after AI and robots? Humans may have to turn to develop a Buddhist mind after the capitalist era ends.It is true that Buddhists did not fight against anyone until they were destroyed by Muslims and Mongols. And we are not the most popular religion in the world. But Buddhist teachings did not disappear from the world. Because good karma protects us. Christ, Islam, Christ. They are like the three legs of a teacup holding each other together.How do you know that Christian people don't use their karma by being born Muslim? And Muslim people do not use their karma by being born Jewish. and on the contraryJust because someone has more respect does not mean that they are happier or free from suffering. I see a lot of foreigners fleeing to Asia because it's more comfortable. Meanwhile, Asians want to go to the West for one reason: because they can print unlimited money.
>>41239395There was a guy posting yesterday claiming to be enlightened that didn't know the difference between samata and vipassana, he also said that you did vipassana for kasina lmao
>>41240052Maybe he was confused by my use of Thai. and my own terrible translation into English Don't go at him. Maybe I'm confusing these two words without realizing it.There is one matter of interest. Ancient Egyptian monks who worshiped animal-headed gods shaved their heads like Buddhist monks. Like Buddhists, ancient Egypt also revered the lotus as a sacred flower.
>>41239395Serving below HONG Triads, the 'positive' and 'negative' schools of Buddhism are part of the 'invisible hierarchy' who filter down information to the AOA/OTO through various channels.If you aren't the know, then you aren't in the know!
>>41239395Why did you make another egotistical "only I know what true Buddhism is" thread when the one you made yesterday still exists? Stop polluting the board with your ignorance
>>41240116In the Sutta "Akkosaka Sutta," which talks about the Buddha not accepting the insults of a brahmin, it is said:Akkosakabhāradvāja brahmin knows that His own brother was ordained in the Lord Buddha's monastery. He was very angry and went to see the Lord Buddha. Then he cursed the steppe with harsh words.The Buddha listened silently until the brahmin finished cursing. Then he asked,Do you have any close relatives or friends visiting? The Brahmin replied that sometimes The Buddha then asked: And did you prepare snacks and drinking water to accept it? The brahmin said We have arranged to welcome you.The Buddha then asked: What if close relatives don't accept those foods? Whose will it be? The Brahmin replied: It is mine as before. The Buddha then said:“Look, brahmin. This is the same thing. He curses us who do not curse. You are angry at us who are not angry. You are looking for me who is not looking for me. We do not accept complaints of cursing, etc. from that person. Look, brahmin. The matter of cursing, etc., is yours alone.Look, brahmin. Whoever curses responds to the person who curses. Angry in response to the person who is angry intending to answer the person seeking Look, brahmin. This person, we say, eats together. They will act in response. We do not consume together. I will never answer with you.Look, brahmin. The matter of cursing, etc., belongs to you alone.” The Lord Buddha said, “Those who are not angry, have trained themselves, have a consistent existence, are liberated because they know right, are calm, and remain stable. Where does anger come from? Because of that anger A person who is not angry in response to a person who is angry is said to be able to win a war that is difficult for an individual to win. Anyone who knows that others are angry Then one can be mindful and calm. That person is said to act beneficially to both parties, to himself and to other people. that is, to yourself and to other people
>>41240170Generally, when you are using a translator, it's better to make small succinct points without jargon languae.
>>41240170Yes, you're vastly superior to all of us, you're never angry and you never curse, after all, you've never said anything along these lines:>HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH>poor westerners>When will you barbaric Westerners admit that you are just uncivilized savages compared to Chinese people like me? You will scream and deny the truth until you die, please do as you please. In the end, they were able to cling to their clothes and beg for their lives in the end.
>>41240244Oh, hes a sine? Hes probably doomed!
>>41240082>Dhamma, and with respect to the Kami.What was alchemy became chemistry, what was demonology, became virology. All of those ancient things that the miraculous healers of ancient times imbued in there talismans were things that would come to have innate microbial properties that would ward away... "bad spirits". What will Buddhism become you think?Egyptian Marsh-mallow for example. Or silver being another.
>>41240244That was when I wasn't training myself. And maybe you guys deserve it because you often attack me with racist slurs. I am not an Arahant. Don't forget this. Even though I try to train myself It doesn't mean I can do it. You will be the same if you can attain the Dhamma.You too, if you could achieve Dhamma, you wouldn't have to eat bad verbal karma as your daily food. And it will cause you to accept bad things in the future. Stop it and turn to Buddhism.
>>41240285How is 4chan better at "u rage u lose" than a claimed Buddhist? looool
>>41240268It is mysterious and mysterious.It is beautiful to think that the Egyptians understood Buddhism. And their gods are actually incarnations of gods or humans who have left humanity and returned in the form of gods mixed with animals to teach them. After all, animals were the spiritual teachers of humans in the early days of civilization.
>>41239395well can one escape the cycle of reincarnation while still alive?
https://oshoworld.com/buddha-the-tathagata-thus-came-thus-gone
>>41240824If you mean going to Nirvana with a physical body like Enoch went to heaven without dying.NoNirvana is not a place. It's not hell or heaven or anything like that. And if you deliberately destroy the physical body before the time of death, it is equivalent to committing suicide, which is a Bad karma. The mind that has attained nirvana lets things go according to their nature.However, there was one case where an Arahant was seriously ill and wanted to die to end his suffering. The Buddha went to him and asked him to make sure he had truly attained it. He then allowed them to commit suicide.But this is a very rare exception. and is not considered something that should be done in Buddhism.
>>41240976what is the nature of a anagami?
>>41239395>10% of people get it>but 50% of those who don’t get it are delusional>50% of the total only understand a bit and change the restWut. Forget Buddhism, you need to start with statistics.
>>41240991is to see the truth of the universe Anāgāmī are those who have attained the 16 levels of Jhana through vipassana or samatha meditation.To put it simply, those who complete the 16 stages of Jhana 3 times completely destroy the foundation of defilement, leaving nothing left to arise.He is the one who has Vassana to reach the 12th-16th level of Jhana. Ordinary people with many sins will never pass the 11th step. He is not interested in anything and is not fascinated by the power of the mind. Do not force yourself to be free from samsara, but put everything aside and understand it thoroughly.
anagami has let go of the fetters enough to slip into pure abode after deathliberation can be attained during lifeliberation does not require a teacherliberation does not require effortliberation is understandingunderstanding can be spontaneouseverything has a buddha naturethe paradox of freedom from samsara is that one cannot yearn it if after breaking the fetters the aspirant still has a motion towards the ocean he is free
>>41241017kids1 in ten So that means there's about 9 left, right? And half of nine is 4.5, right?I'm speaking roughly to make it easy to understand. I'm not taking it seriously.Go do research.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTbVVbDpGzM
>>41239395>I know this method to get rid of suffering and defilements and delusions>I am also a furry>what do you mean this is a massive contradiction
>>41239452you're that halfass monk that used to come here, arent youthey tossed you out, didnt they
>>41241598According to your evil logic The police will never accept a bribe. And a thief will never rob a rich person. or repent to be a good person They must be what they are labeled to be. Like the caste systemWelcome to the world of human diversity.>>41241641I don't know who you're talking about.
Damn that's crazy
Pure intelligence does not free people from suffering. When he graduated with a Ph.D. Your desires that are ready to deceive and mislead you also have a Ph.D. Human intelligence is as limited as the capacity of reason.Smart people suffer like smart people. Poor people have suffering in the same way as poor people, and rich people and stupid people have suffering in their own way.Without moral guidance, he would just be an incompetent city watchman. It would allow enemies to invade the city.
>>41239550You should aim to get a taste of nirvana in this lifetime, it's not that hard. It can take a few months to a few years of 2 hour a day practice depending on natural aptitude and whether or not you find a good technique (the best one is Mahasi Sayadaw's noting practice). You said you maybe don't want it because it is disappearing from everything, but that is momentary and when you come back, you feel way better. It produces an amazing afterglow like the biggest relief in your life for a couple weeks, and when it subsides, it doesn't go all the way back down to your old baseline. You get a strong sense of relief and improved meditative abilities for the rest of your life. Do it now.
>>41241762Thank you for the good advice. I'll think about it. But please don't criticize or be disappointed in me if I can't do it.
>>41241673>human diversity means my delusions are okhahahaha wooooooooooooooooooooo
Sup OP. Threads pretty ok, do you mind if I help out? >>41241885No, he's right. Just because the dudes a furry doesn't mean he's blocked off from nibbana. Guy even admits he knows being a furry is an odd habit. Anyone can become enlightened if they have the self awareness for it. Even the most lowly of people have a chance. Even if he was delusional, he certainly wouldn't be the first person to be eventually saved and upheld by the teaching.
>>41241907>let me teach you all about jhana>well no I havent actually achieved it>no please dont notice I'm writing false things in the middle of good things because I cant really tell the difference and havent accomplished it>ok let's trash this thread, I'll make another and shit talk westerners right in the OP as I deride others' ego, before finally saying you people wont reach nirvana with all that baggagenah I dont think you've been paying attention to what this deluded furfag has already written
Fuk yiu take that elsewhere
>>41241918Even he is capable of attaining the deathless state. Personally, I don't think talking about Buddhism on here is wise. I don't think almost anyone who uses the website is quite ready for it. But OP is trying his best, and I applaud him for that.As far as the other things, he's admitted he doesn't know everything. I think largely there's a language barrier. That's perfectly alright too, as long as he can be honest about what he doesn't know and tries his best, that's well and good. >>41241022I think you're confusing Pali words here. 16 stages of Vipssanā are ñana, not jhāna. But ñana *do* occur with jhāna if properly practiced.Wrt to vāsanā, the practice when done right imprints that onto you. Original purity. ---Regarding your earlier posts about jhāna, the Pali word is related to dhyānā. Both have a meaning of "burning". Thai people tend to confuse some Pali words, so I don't blame you. Alot of it is written out the way it sounds instead of how it's spelled. But I think you were trying to speak about ñana vs jhāna
>>41241885The main rule of attacking others is also The bad verbal karma of an immoral person is to type as briefly as possible. Because typing long is equal to reasoning and logic. Therefore, typing something short like political propaganda will stimulate people's emotions better.One beautiful thing about Buddhism is that it is not attached to caste. Nationality or background of people Including labeling people for politics.I'm sorry I didn't use Buddhism to oppress people different from myself like you do.
>>41239395>First of all, Buddhism did not exist to serve the political ideology of the Nazisstopped reading, thanks for outing yourself so quickly
>>41241918if a monkey can recite a poem that allows a aspirant to reach nirvana does that mean that them being a monkey invalidates their words?you have a confirmation bias about them being wrong in some way or another which makes you ignore all the truths while focusing on all the perceived flawsonce you have reached a certain meditative state you no longer care for disrespect or praise, you no longer care who the one you're conversing with is because you see the "buddha nature" of all living beingsall the things that are flawed that he has stated are an invitation for correction and knowledge is shared willingly, the fact that he still has aversion and distinction shouldn't matter to you unless your own ego feels bruised by himlearn from others mistakes, see how their behavior looks from the outside instead of taking it personally, seeing a person behave in a manner that you believe doesn't suit a mentor should just make you more inspired to be different from themthere's plenty of "mad monks" and others similar to that that have unorthodox methods of teaching, a person being racially biased to the western way of thinking shouldn't be a shock to you seeing as the root philosophies in west and east are so vastly differentthey have not met many westerners that have reached meditative states because it isn't common to aspire for that in the west which creates their bias
>>41241270Favourite movie. It's so good. Wish there was more like this.
>>41241951Absolutely, and those who use Buddhism for politics deserve to be condemned. For example, those who are very angry that I am a Furry and understand Buddhism better than the Nazis who used Buddhism to oppress people who think differently than themselves in the Western world.>>41241957Don't reason with the Nazis. It doesn't work.
>>41241949>you're using buddhism to oppress peoplepointing out your failures and contradictions is not oppressing anyoneyou were retarded for doing that last thread and saying ask me anything about jhana, writing incorrect things about it mixed in with correct things like you were sprinkling droplets of shit into potable water, then admitting you have not attained any jhanathen you have the nerve to bitch at people for their ego!realizing you fucked up, you came and created another thread where you opened with disparaging othersyou have no basis to type, your master should be beating you with a stick right now
>>41241993>those who use Buddhism for politics deserve to be condemneddoesn't get more blue pilled than this
>>41241993calling people nazis is a very western exclusive thing, i don't think asian people even in thailand resort to calling people nazis
>>41241957>your ego feels bruised by him writing incorrect things, brandishing his ego and disparaging others, all the while trying to maintain the air of a devout buddhistyou should avoid writing stupid shit, tooI've trained with veritable mad monks and they dont say such dumb bullshityou're basically saying dont call out any dumb bullshit, especially if there's a grain of truth floating amongst the shit droplets sprinkled into potable waterthis helps precisely noone
>>41242019>tranny furfag>calls people who point out his bullshit nazisit pretty much means he's a retarded plebbitor
only other country apart from western ones that uses nazi as a condemnation label is russia>>41242022aspirant should be able to tell shit from water, only ones he's "deceiving" are the tourists that are never going to bother taking the path seriously
>>41242051>holy imagesi never understood the desire to worship idols
>>41242019 Some do, depends on the area. Most Thai people wouldn't say that though, they'll typically focus on saying what about your behaviour is not sparkling. When they're really mad they'll call you a fool. The more educated will point out if your political affiliations (perceived or actual) are impacting you to them.OP is a bit of an odd duck, but that's alright.The other side of things is that he is somewhat correct. People on the website do like superimposing white nationalist and explicit Nazi regalia onto holy images. When they aren't doing that, they like to make memes that are quite dangerous and unhelpful. He may not have worded it very well, but he does have a point. Alot of anons could stand to become kinder and more thoughtful people.Take for example his point on bad speech. He isn't wrong when he points this out- looking at the thread, how many people are just calling the guy names? Insulting him? It's one thing to point out what he is genuinely wrong about in conduct or speech, but it is another to tease and call names. We genuinely do create some awful speech kamma on this website. It is very easy to do, because it's a big part of the culture here. But it is a bad part of it.
>>41241995>pointing out your failures and contradictions is not oppressing anyoneThat's what you're doing. And I wouldn't be surprised if you did this to people who have a different identity than me, like LGBT or non-white people.You are slandering and distorting the truth.1.Scroll up and see what your first bad verbal karma was? It is an attack on me that I am a Furry so I have no right to speak about Buddhism. Are there any rules in Buddhism that prohibit certain people from speaking or spreading the Dhamma?Do transgender people have rights? What about Furry? So there's a thief? So there's a murderer? There are people who make mistakes or right? Yes, everyone has the right to speak about Dhamma in order to gain correct understanding and to develop the mind.On the contrary, who has the right to prevent others from speaking about Buddhism because of their birth, because of their caste, or their gender? Or his taste?There are probably only racially obsessed Hindus and the Nazis.2.I don't "admit" that I don't have Jhana. Because I have no intention of hiding at all anymore. I "speak openly" but that makes me blameless. So you have to adjust it to be "admit" In order to create an image of me as a villain when in reality you are the one who does evil all the time.3.What right do you have to lecture others about ego when you yourself can't accept that other people make mistakes?
>>41242036does not excuse claiming to be knowledgeable and posting incorrect thingsit is our duty as adepts and masters to ensure good teachings
>>41242077it's a cultural difference, helping someone without insulting them for being wrong can be seen as being too much of a goody two shoes and patronizing, hurling insults while pointing out what they did wrong is much "kinder" than talking to them like a toddler >>41242081if the aspirant can't tell shit from gold they aren't serious about the path and deserve to recite bullshit
>>41242066The image is a way for us to relate to what is sacred. It's not much different than how you might use a church, or a sacred grove. It's a relationship we have to what is sacred to us. In Buddhism, we treat the image like it is real, because it is a way of continuously reaffirming that relationship we have, as well as embodying those qualities in a sense experience. The image does not only represent the Buddha or other sacred being, it also represents us. So when we attack a holy image or desecrate it, we are attacking our relationship to it. As well as our own person. There's also some other stuff about images, but this is what I think alot of people here will find easy to understand.
>>41242079lmao now I'm only correcting you because you're a delusional furfaggot!you should just get back in your room and stay there and dont try teaching anyone anythingyou began this thread with your own bad verbal karma and you cant even see thatsad, many casesexcept for the whole furfag partnobody needs to listen to furries anywaymad monks are not delusionalbut furries most certainly are delusionalreminder that being a sexual deviant and cultivating a spiritual path is very harmful
>>41242094attachment to holy scriptures and idols is still attachment, attachment to the garments and tools of a monk are attachmentsonly understanding of the mind, self and the path matters, the rest is just garnishings that distract from the pathzen buddhism did it the best and even they still got stuck with dogmatic practices
Konnichiwa OPdidn´t you drink Tea before Meditation? I had questioned you and i thin yo had overseen my question, if you drink Tea, then wich Tea do you prefer. Or is this Question to OT for you?I have read the Bardo Thrödöl, Pali Kanon Tipitaka, but sadly only online, i love to reads Books, on an Screen it is not nearly so well to study, cause the Noise from the Techniks.Please give me an Answer, otherwise it is also ok then i can clearly say that Tea is for me an very mighty tool to do Meditation.
>>41242086I understand, but I don't think this is a good part of the culture here. I think it's actually very bad for us. I don't think we need to talk to eachother like toddlers, but I don't think the way we insult and try to humiliate or degrade eachother here is helpful.We all know that meme, where the guy says "no! I don't want to go offline! I'm starting to ENJOY my anger!"That's very much a big part of the experience here. It's the culture of the website to troll and tease eachother. People trying to make eachother upset or angry for fun. This might be right in the culture, but in the dhamma is very wrong. Again, we don't need to speak to eachother like toddlers, there's even room for insults...but the way it's gone about here normally is very bad for everyone involved.
>>41242112if you were indifferent to praise and criticism you wouldn't care, meditate on that statement
>>41242097Thanks for the advice, I think I'll keep it up.>>41242101>you began this thread with your own bad verbal karma and you cant even see thatKarma is caused by intention. I didn't start this thread with any bad intentions.Do you understand the meaning of karma?I explain the misconceptions of western people on this board. and defended the use of images of Buddha in combination with murderer memes.Where do you think I have "bad intentions"?Why don't you just admit that you're angry that I took Buddhism away from you so that you wouldn't use it to oppress people in the name of the Nazis?
>>41242105I am sorry to say, but this is a protestant understanding of Buddhism. It misses out alot of why these items exist and their utility in the practice. We must make a distinction here, Buddhism is not protestantism. We have a vastly different understanding of what mind means, what attachment here means. What the use of tools is for. On one level we can say that yes, these are outer things. That the Bhavana (cultivation of mind) is more important. It is even possible to form a bad craving to these. But the other level is that these things aren't just here for no reason. And calling them idolatry and trying to throw them out, this betrays alot of what Buddhism is in favor of eastern flavoured protestantism.
>>41242124I didn't claim that, I am still a humble person. But there is such a thing as bad speech kamma, that's real. It is not betraying my practice to point such a thing out. I think, many people here, do not really understand what Buddhists are teaching or talking about.
>>41241992Same very great OST>>41241907I'd love your help in this thread.>>41242107KombunwaI don't drink any tea before meditating. I think it's a Japanese and Chinese tradition. But in Thailand, we don't really care about tea.
>>41239932I wanted to speak on this, because it relates to what I said here. >>41242153Buddhism is not Christianity. It's not anywhere close to it, beyond very superficial aspects and some of the wisdom teachings on compassion and money. We do not teach an original sin styled doctrine. This is something many westerners have as a baggage, that they use to interpret other religions. Along with other facets of western Christianity. We do not teach that you are inherently wrong. That there is something dirty about you. We teach instead, that you are originally pure. I'm hopeful that this alone will show the vast difference between the two religions.
>>41241944These two words give me a headache. Because it is written very loosely in Thai, "ฌาน" AND "ญาณ""ฌาน" When I tried to find the English translation, it turned out to be Jhana. "ญาณ" which I tried to transcribe into English myself without using a translator, so it turned out to be Jhan.It is ñana vs jhāna as you think
you don't seek liberation from the cycles until you realize that life is inherently unsatisfying
>>41242182Thank you ^^ if you will test it, you have some good Green Tea there, i prefer Green Tea, the Catechines have an great Effect to me. It deepens the Calmness and Ability to concentrate, but i do not regular Meditating, i do it with the Tea Session i do. That i have sat down only to meditate is a few Years ago.
>>41242434That's right, believe it or not. But I have had many near-death experiences.When you are close to death, everything in the world will seem meaningless. But when you come out It has meaning again.At first I thought it was strange. But it was no longer strange when I observed the extinction and birth of nama and form according to Buddhist teachings.
>>41242141>it isnt bad karma to give watered down teachings with incorrect information>it isnt bad karma to posture and say you westerners are full of misconceptions about buddhism and dont know correctly>karma is only intentionsso you dont understand karma, eitheryou keep failing and dont think you are
>>41242402Yeahhhh no worries I thought that was the case. Thai spelling for Pali words is done based off how they sound, that's why they're so loose.
>>41242573When you misunderstand, saying you misunderstand is not bad karma. That's right. If it wasn't like that, monks wouldn't be able to teach each other a lesson. If saying that the other person is wrong is considered bad karma, regardless of intentions and facts.Therefore, I had no bad intentions from the beginning like you allege.Nippetika Sutta - Intention is KarmaWe say that intention is karma.A person thinks and then performs a deed.By body, by speech, by heartWe would say that there are three types of karma.Karma that gives results in the present 1Karma that gives results in the birth world 1Karma that gives results in the next world 1
>>41242573He is right though, westerners do have alot of misconceptions about Buddhism. That's very much factual. If it wasn't, the west wouldn't have such poor Buddhist infrastructure. Not to mention the sheer amount of cults out there. There is nothing wrong with pointing out westerners have alot of misunderstandings with Buddhism. We see it happen all the time. He is Thai, so he is having some trouble translating this. But Kamma is action + intention. It means you have to deliberately make a choice to do something by body, speech or mind, to generate kamma. He is saying that he knows he was incorrect about some things, has accepted that, reiterating that even while being wrong- he has started both threads with good intention. Not evil ones. OP is not trying to be malignant, hes just doing his best to try and bring light into the world. He may fumble a bit, but that is ok as well. Again though, I personally think these threads are bad ideas. But I honour anyone trying to bring light in someplace.
>>41242623esl freak, I never said you had bad intentionsI basically said you're delusional and dont have the requisite experience to teachyou started out making a threat about something you have no experience of, quickly became defensive when this was pointed out and immediately began attacking those who pointed it outspreading false teachings, bad karmaattacking others, bad karmaacting innocent of your own transgressions, bad karmateaching that karma is just intent, more watered down teachingsyou dont understand the criticisms being presented to youyou only understand a small portion of what you're trying to teach and talk shit to those who correct your misunderstandingslike I said in the other thread,clean thy mirror furfaggot
>>41242673>you nazis dont understand>I'm talking deeper than you guys understand>I refuse to acknowledge my own deviations from right thought and actionbeing a furfaggot aside, there's plenty enough already presented to show this guy shouldnt be making threads, should not be attempting to teachfuckin last thread he literally said jhanas are dangerousI mean wtfit doesnt matter how well intentioned the idiot is, spreading false teachings is bad juju
>>41242709Spreading false teachings is bad juju, that's true. i didn't see his other thread, I can't say I know what he said about Jhana. But given he is Thai, he may have been trying to talk about kasina or "worldly" jhana. Thais have trouble translating to English sometimes, especially for Pali words. The Pali is written there based on how it sounds instead of how its actually spelled. We come back again to the other thing, bad speech kamma. He isn't trying to delude or harm people, when he was told he was wrong earlier in the thread he admitted it willingly. Why not just tell him when he's wrong and correct him, instead of trying to troll or shame?I don't think people understand how lucky they are to have this website, and how much they miss out when we treat eachother this way.
>>41242759>kasina or "worldly" jhana.this is the kind of shit I'm talking about, fkn word saladhe's deserving of trolling because he lashed out when corrected, then began to project about itobvious bullshit is not to be tolerated
>>41242681> I never said you had bad intentions>I basically said you're delusional and dont have the requisite experience to teachGoing back and reading what you originally typed, who doesn't think that you accused me of having bad intentions?>>you began this thread with your own bad verbal karma and you cant even see that>>it isnt bad karma to give watered down teachings with incorrect information>>karma is only intentionsThis is what you typed back even though I had already explained that intention is karma. And I don't have any bad intentions in starting this thread.And since you already know that karma must come from intention Why do you still accuse me of doing "bad karma" even though I said I didn't intend it? This means that you still separate intention from karma as before. If you admit that I have no intentionsYou must accept that I have not done any bad karma.It's really nonsense. You're testing the Buddha's teachings to see if there's a weakness for you to bully other people like you normally do.
>>41242709>he literally said jhanas are dangerousOf course, it is dangerous if you train in the wrong way. How can it not be dangerous? That's why I warned him that it was dangerous and that you should have a teacher who really knows about this, such as a monk, to teach you, not just practice it yourself arbitrarily.
>>41242770>Word salad When you troll someone effectively, you bring ruin to yourself first before you do the other person. As far as the rest, I'm not sure. He very quickly bowed down when I corrected him, and he seems willing to admit when he is wrong. Yes, bullshit shouldn't be tolerated. But I don't think this is the correct way to go about it, this is not helpful. I personally think OP could post much better than he does though. But this is a Thai thing, thais are very blunt with eachother and how they perceive eachothers actions.
>>41242770Nope I didn't do anything wrong. You are the one who did everything wrong because you are a Nazi who is angry that I forbid you from using it to oppress others.You don't understand Buddhism at all, no matter what its concept is.And verbal actions that will continue to be bad karma for yourself are not beyond my expectation. Do you think I don't know that this is a Nazi nest?I'm not afraid of you guys one bit. I will not let you use Buddhism to oppress others for your vile and nonsensical political ambitions.
>>41242807Oh, you're talking about micca jhāna. For others who do not know, we have a concept of "correct" jhāna and "wrong" jhāna. Wrong jhāna is "false" jhāna. OP is simply reiterating standard teaching; learn authentic jhāna.
>>41242775>you're bullying me if you point out where I'm wrong about anythingno, you're getting trolled because you're one of those dumbasses that absolutely cannot be liable for his own wrongdoingsthen you make up a story and present it as truth of having refuted the incoming argument, as if that even happenedego made you name that first thread "ask me anything about jhanas"it would have been one thing if you attained them, but this is just false posturing when you haventthen you project your ego that cant be harmed and absolutely cant be held liable for wrongdoings onto others, saying they are the ones with the problemsyou said a whole bunch of false things sprinkled about a handful of correct and proper thingsbut you want to say you have no bad karma from spreading false teachings because its not your intent to spread false teachingsif someone practices based off of false teachings and harms themselves, some bad karma absolutely is bestowed upon he who gave the false teachingsit is of course less than if you intentionally knew they were bad instead of just ignorantly saying you knew what was upbut you generate bad karma with that shit, refuse to acknowledge it, and continue to meme your innocence to the threadnow how will you deflect this time? the thread knows its coming already.
>>41242807jhanas are outcomes, one does not even "train jhanas"as I said, you are not competent to teach
>>41242849>I-I'm not afraid of you Nazis!this is why plebbitors should be outright banned from 4chan
>>41239850Instead of answering my question, they pivoted to claiming they can read minds and understand name and form relationships at an advanced level, like an adult who knew what a child was thinking. What's up with that?
>>41242849Op you have got to restrain your speech a little. This is not going to help you the way you feel it is. Utilize your Upaya here and speak a bit more skillfully. i don't think this person is a Nazi, I think they just are trolling you a bit because they feel you have done wrong. Most people here are not bad people, give them more upekkhā. You are representing your religion here, remember that when you speak.
>>41242857> you're getting trolled because So a Nazi like you has already accepted that you're a troll. or do bad deeds to me It's not me doing it to you. But it's the opposite.>if someone practices based off of false teachings and harms themselves, some bad karma absolutely is bestowed upon he who gave the false teachingsSure Of course, that is why I warn about its dangers. But you are the one who said that it is wrong to say that Jhana is dangerous or it is not.">>he literally said jhanas are dangerous">jhanas are outcomes, one does not even "train jhanas"People call it Jhana practice. It's something you have to practice. It's not just for calling results. You better not pretend to know things you don't know, Nazi.
>>41242863No this is not entirely correct. Jhāna is indeed something you train in. It can be considered an outcome, but it is an outcome of letting go. We train in jhāna, to sustain, deepen, and let go into it and return from it when needed.>>41242867I think they just wanted to be a bit mysterious. I don't believe they are trying to claim powers. It is true that someone who practices well can do that though.
>>41242900>You better not pretend to know things you don't know, Nazi.you say this while pretending to know about jhanasstarscream, this is bad comedy
>>41242913Oh boy...I might bail from this thread...>>41242900OP please stop calling people that, this is unraveling into a complete disaster. This is not helping you the way you think it is. Even when you are right about some things, the moment you begin giving people here these names, you throw any progress you could have made completely under the bus. If you are going to criticize them, point out when they're wrong and show how. But don't call them Nazis, especially if you DO think they are one. That is the last thing you should be doing when you are trying to represent true dhamma.
>>41242913no, anyone with real experience of jhanas are not going to assert that one trains the outcome>it is an outcome of letting gothis is also nonsensicalthe fundamentals that produce the outcome are what's trainedthis is why it is said to not pay attention to the scenerybecause focusing on them will detract from that which is producing the outcome to begin withthis is why it is taught that we can only arrange the conditions for something to arise and cannot directly force its arisingit is just quite simply this way when speaking of jhanas
>>41242913Meant to respond >>41242863HereI will take a moment though to apologize on OP's behalf. Furries tend to be a bit autistic in behaviour. I think OP is trying to be a good person, but is going about it the wrong way. I know it is not easy when someone is behaving in a way that is unhelpful, but I do ask other Anons here to please show some grace. We all progress at different levels, some of us take longer than others. Some people are more confused than others too. OP is right about many things, but hasn't quite learned how to use their speech skillfully. I wish them much well being and fortune, and hope that they can adjust so they can be a better light for others.
>>41242954I apologize good sir, but this is still wrong. We do have a concept of training in jhāna. >this is also nonsensicalBuddhism is not a path of acquisition, it is a path of letting go. Jhāna as a term means "burning" or "fire". Because it's function is that it literally burns away defilements. Jhāna is what happens when one let's go of the five hindrances and unifies their mind in the object of meditation. We do train to do this, to continually be able to let go of Dukkha and allow for great joy to arise.It is true that we cannot force jhāna to arise, because jhāna is the outcome of the mind letting go of it's hindrances and unifying. But when we obtain jhāna, we very much do train and strengthen our capacity with it.
>>41242928I don't pretend to know, I really do.There was nothing wrong with my perception other than confusion about language and translation. But in the content I understood everything correctly. And that's why I create new threads when I use the translation program. But aren't you the one who blames me for "escaping" something?For you, other people's faults are greater than your own because you have never looked into your own mindSuppose there is a wise man who misspelled one word. As for you, he must not speak any more. Or a person who falls once while walking must not walk again. Can such a person be called having a good heart or good intentions? Remember, karma is intention. You can deceive others, but you cannot deceive yourself and your karma.
>>41242989He said "people with real experience in jhana" but misunderstood the concept and practice. Do you really think he ever practiced it?
>>41243011OP, I must ask you please take a break from the thread. I know this is normal for Thais to speak to eachother this way, but in this website, it only makes people believe you are being arrogant. When we are speaking to westerners, we need to use much more careful language than we might use with eachother. Especially when they do not know the religion. Remember that you are behaving like a representative. You do not want to give people a bad impression about us.
>>41242989>We do have a concept of training in jhāna.entirely disagree, you have a concept of training the fundamentals that produce jhana>Jhāna is what happens when one let's go of the five hindrances and unifies their mind in the object of meditationit is every bit as much a matter of conditioning, nobody experiences jhana without getting the conditioning part of training down, which doesnt happen unless the mind and body are properly conditionedeven once one gets to the stage of utilizing turning the light around to stabilize jhana,this is still just training tactics that reinforce the fundamental aspects that produce jhana and not "training jhana" itself, since jhana is an outcome of the practicemore people would understand this if more people trained enough to attain them,but people who have not attained them sit around speculatingsome of this is just being picky about words, but then again words mean things and incorrect words can mislead peopleI'm only so adamant about this because I have caused their arising hundreds and hundreds of times over and can clearly make these distinctions, I'm not sitting here trying to figure out what the meanings of others' words are in an attempt to try and gain some understanding
>>41243011>I don't pretend to know, I really do.>even though I already admitted last thread that I have never attained jhanasyou've been given so many opportunities to quit while you were only a little bit behind,but you cling to your delusion and fight needlessly
aspirant can liberate themselves without any teachers, dogma, sutra, mantra or any of the other mystifying elements of the practicesilence and solitude are the best teachers for the path, the fact that there are so many schools of buddhism and the fact that zen buddhism exists is a proof of this
>>41243057I don't have Jhana. Does that mean I don't know about it? Is it related? Suppose that people who have never been to the moon Does that mean he doesn't know anything about it and is prohibited from talking about it?You are the one who said things you didn't know dozens of times with bad intentions. I really feel sorry for your future.
>>41243041I don't claim that I represent Buddhism, ever. I always say that I have not achieved arhatship. And I wasn't so kind as to let stupid people "challenge" me.But I did as you said.
I'm going to leave this thread for a while.
>>41243095>I can speak clearly about something I've never experienced, because I read about it>nevermind the part about words utterly failing to describe the phenomenon to begin withyou are making false equivalences comparing outcomes of spiritual practices with videos of real physical objectsyou know jhanas exist and that's basically about ityou can only study the words of others and have no experience to lean onwhat do you expect when you say false things and then feign innocence because you dont have any explicit bad intentionswe can see what you expect by your behavioryou want to continue delusionposting and not get trolled or have any corrections made about what you're typing
>>41243136good, do the world a favor and go cultivate and forget about trying to teach from a waterlogged manual with half the pages missing and no experience to fill in the gaps
>>41243041He's been like this across multiple threads for months. It honestly comes across as him having a massive inferiority complex with how he has this need to constantly "prove" how superior his culture/religion is than anything in the west(which he seems to know even less about than his questionable takes on buddhism)
>>41243040I don't think so no, but that's not the point. When we correct people, we must do so in a way that is direct and skillful. >>41243043>entirely disagree, you have a concept of training the fundamentals that produce jhanaSir this is still wrong, I am sorry. I do understand why you disagree, but this is based on wrong understanding of jhāna. We call the training in jhāna, in English, "mastery of jhāna". There are five ways that we train in it. >it is every bit as much a matter of conditioning, nobody experiences jhana without getting the conditioning part of training down, which doesnt happen unless the mind and body are properly conditionedThis is a conditioning based on letting go. what you're talking about is called development of mind & body. I forget the English, but the verses for training describe it as a kind of ease that develops. Is very related to piti & sukkha. >since jhana is an outcome of the practice>more people would understand this if >more people trained enough to attain them,It's not incorrect to say it's an outcome of practice, but it is incorrect to say we don't train it when obtained. We very much do, the Buddha tells us to do this. Again, it's called "mastery in jhāna"I didn't quite understand the end of your post, but yes it is true that words do mean things. I understand why you are being picky, but nothing I say will contradict with good English translations of Buddhist wisdom teachings
>>41243161Ah, "The green letters of bad intentions, of slander through mental acrobatics."If having "experience with Jhana makes one have a big ego, doesn't know how to forgive, and is evil like you" I couldn't have asked for itPeople like you can achieve Jhana? You yourself still don't believe it.And I'm sorry, I'm not wrong about what I know. I haven't "read it" or "watched the video". I may or may not have. Jhana, do you really know? A person like you?You just don't know how to "practice Jhana" which is a very common expression among practitioners all over the world. You create a definition that you use alone and then force others to accept it as well.Why don't you go teach others in your own thread? Oh, I forgot, no one likes you.Really pitiful
>>41240317nonsensical
>>41243128No I know you didn't I am saying that when we make these kinds of threads, we become representatives for our religion. It's unfortunate but it is true.>>41243136Namo Buddhaya, I hope to see you again later, friend. >>41243191He's right about many of the things he says. It just doesn't come across very well due to a language and culture barrier. Thais are generally alot more forward and honest with eachother than westerners are. When they think someone is wrong, they tell them. This includes why they think they're behaving a certain way, they aren't a shy people about this. Online in a place like 4chan, this can come across very arrogant to others. Or like an inferiority complex. Like we hear people say, tone doesn't come across well online always.It's not really either of those things, he's just talking to you like you're a fellow Thai. He's a furry as well so he's a bit unique, but it's not too different from the norm. He's just trying his best to help people here, that's a noble aspiration. Even if it doesn't land well initially, it's an action out of love. Even when he is calling people Nazi, he did so because we do have a problem with political extremism and he is in guard for it. It comes from a desire to do well by you and show you respect. I apologize though, I know it did not land well at all.
>>41243234You really need to take an hour away from the thread. These responses are doing you more harm than good.I am trying to help you out here, but telling westerners they are being pitiful does not go well with them. They get offended much more easily than your auntie in ayutthaya. We need to use alot more precise and delicate language when speaking with them.
>>41243234>Oh, I forgot, no one likes you.everyone can see that you are a hypocrite
>>41243214>This is a conditioning based on letting go.the conditioning is based on the cultivation of awarenessletting go does nothing without the conditioning to support it"cultivating mastery of jhana" is cultivating the things that cause/sustain jhanathe point is that jhana cannot be directly cultivateddisagreement on things like this is usually only to be had with people who have only read about jhana
>>41243273Running damage control for him isn't helping, if anything the excuses given just make him seem more hypocritical
>>41243161>>41243234The conflict you both have is one of Buddhist rhetoric. While I would personally be inclined to try and distinguish rhetoric from Buddhism, it is hard to do because of the idea of the eightfold path and the push to refine one's existence including said rhetoric. But in as much as father's have failed to teach their sons. The requisite for enlightenment is not rhetoric, it is a self. It is a habit to promote discipline in a manner to try and cultivate and manifest it in others. However make no mistake, any blunt object can be made into a hammer. What is essential is to apply force and to persist until it is done. However long.
>>41243297Ok hours passed i am back nowAnd since you are very good guy i don't want you to have bad time here. Can i take my thread back ? You know there are many evil monks here in Thailand who claimed they have jhana. But actually it's a fake. They used Buddhism to gain money or politics benefits . They are hypocrite . You know the guy who committed his bad verbal karma here are evil. Don't waste your precious with him. Using reasoning with troll are feed them. >>41243998I am real Buddhist who know how to do mediation and jhana. The other one are nazi troll scum . Which he admitted ny himself That's huge difference. He said "no one training jhana it's results" he don't know karma is intention He have bias against indentity of people and want to stop them from saying dhramma He don't forgive anyone mistaken but don't see himself He admitted he is trolling because i worship my culture over the westThe last of the last he is literally nazi . Racism who wants to use Buddhism as tool to oppressed people in the west and he is upset that i take Buddhism back from him And saying the truth about how things really are mean i have inferior complex . WowYou really think this person understands jhana ? It's disgusting .
