They say that she will be a powerful intecessor at the time of our death but I’m wondering how? It really feels like Catholics have just made her into a Queen of Heaven/Ishtar figure? If she is, why was the Rosary able to drive out demons in my life?
Why are christretards like this?
>>41241707she is nerfed by judaism and islamotherwise she would be recognised as the Queen of Heaven: Death: the purest pure(no material contamination), interacted with through an angel which is a compounded Dream concept (the only way to interact with Death is seemingly through Dream)her power in that 'name' isn't very much as a result of judaism and islam, we can't 'honour' her as she should be and she parallels the 'mother of the universe' or ~the Queen of Heaven~'if' she is the Queen of Heaven she is as powerful as the Father of the universe 'if not MORE'
Sorry but she's dead. Jesus told her "woman, what have I to do with thee?"
>>41241755ye well if jesus didn't mention the Queen of Heaven he was never Christ so wtf is that clowns opinion worth?
>>41241707Mary, like every other follower of Christ, died and went on to whatever state we are in until the coming of the Lord. She was truly a blessed woman because God chose her to bear Christ into the world and knew the God-Man His entire earthly life. What a blessing indeed! But there is not the slightest hint that dead Christians are to be prayed to, or that they can hear the prayers of millions of people all the time. There is certainly nothing to support all the grossly inflated claims the church of rome makes about her.
>>41242015if Mary isn't recognised as Christ equally and 'the source of Christ' equally, jesus LITERALLY can not be Christ in this reality, in order for 'him' to be Christ 'she' needs to be also: it's a BOND: a maternal bond and 'why' She was CHOSEN because otherwise why not just 'materialize' the Christ larping jesus out of thin air if you're God... it requires a duality: a source and a relay: BOTH would be bondedso... if in our 'reality' Mary isn't considered Christ then jesus isn't: his Christ-hood is literally dependant on HERS.
>>41242121you're simply wrong. God the Son is God from all eternity. His human nature was derived from Mary, only created from from Sin, unlike all other humans since Adam.
>>41242137smd faggot I'm Christyou're not.jesus is the antichrist in this reality.smd'adam' what a faggot narrative.
>>41241707https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i4ioSH67-bgEnjoy.
>>41242121The Christ existed before the foundation of the World was laid. This is not true of Mary. The Christ lived a sinless human life but suffered a sinners death in the Cross. This is not true of Mary. The Christ went into the pits of hell to gather those in chains, and ressurected from the dead after three days. This is not true of mary.The Christ will send out the Holy Spirit as our guide, when you are baptized after the age of accountability He makes His dwelling within you. This is not true of Mary.The Christ is the first and the last, Alpha and Omega, the beginning and end. He is the Lord God. This is not true of Mary. Mary was an exceptional woman, which is why God chose her of all woman, but she wasn't more than a woman who was a sinner and died as all who sin (everyone of us) must die. She would be appalled at this idolatry that perverts the message and purpose for which her Son was crucified for. Equating mary with God is an unscriptural heresy and it would be righteous and in accordance with Christs teachings if you to abandon this lie.
>>41246561depends if Mary is the mother of the universe or not ultimately and whether jesus is the analogy of THE CHRIST that binds all atoms and was present BEFORE jesus existed.the jesus story is arguably THE WORST story EVER written: it's dogshit and I don't care how flowery the verses are; the moral is>God came down in the flesh, got mocked, tortured and executed by psychopaths and ultimately LOST to them because their ((cult)) still exists...what kind of LOSER is jesus then?the ULTIMATE LOSER.that's your aspect: it's not mine.
>>41246561Move Mt Everest to Washington DC in the next 10 minutes or be proven a fraud
>>41241707rosary - ars ory - arse orgyrosary - sor ary - sore Maryrosary - arry so - marry son
>>41241707It is very powerful, generally when I feel annoying presences I pray to the Virgin and they all disappear
No.41241707because the real mary is inaana the rosery is repesentive of the beeds of souls.Inaana wares it>it casts out devils.because it traps souls of the damned.old babylon protection ritual alot of christian things are rooted in babyloinian paganism.christainity is its child but later versions where corrupted by my father.i won't say more.
>>41241707Stop reinventing paganism, it's already been invented
The Virgin Mary who constantly appears to people is false.Most likely, it's Innana, Isis, Ishtar, Astarte, or Sophia. I don't recommend interacting with her. Fatima told children to make sacrifices. Is this normal for the Mother of God? The point is, she pretends to be a saint, but each time she has distinctive features, a name; this is called binding. Pagan gods did the same thing; the easiest binding occurs with the help of an idol or image, signs, for which the being itself gives instructions on how to bind.(It's worth noting that all rock music is imbued with secret signs, and people wearing them bind themselves to demons. But I honestly don't understand what benefit they get from this. Baptism, by the way, is also a binding.)
>>41241707“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Timothy 2:5-6)
People didn't pay attention to the miracle at the wedding. Christ turning water into wine would not have happened without his mother's begging
>>41248382proof?
>>41241733>Cathocucks actually believe this shit
Her power level is 12/10. She’s the strongest Saint and Goddess and the whole earth.
>>41248891The adults are taking. Go away
>>41249151Begging? she literally just informed Him they had run out of wine:“And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.” (John 2:3)Also the purpose of the miracle was for Jesus to manifest His glory and cause His disciples to believe on Him, not to please mommy:“This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.” (John 2:11)
>>41241707Mary was officially made the second most important person in Christianity in the Council of Ephesus in circa 450AD as part of the rejection of the Arian hersey. Basically they said Jesus was not man and God, the councils of the time, same as the popes today only issue rulings confirming existing doctrine. As the Arian hersey was promoting new doctrine, they reconfirmed that Jesus was both fully man and fully God and as fully man and God, Mary as his mother was mother of God without which salvation coming into the world was not possible. This is adhered to by all ancient churches, Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox and was even upheld by Luther and the original Protestants.It's only in the 19th and 20th century that you really get, mainly American Protestants who's grasp on Christianity is light at best stating otherwise. She is considered a powerful intercessor with Jesus for many scriptural reasons which I can go into but one small example is the wedding at Cana. For the queen of heaven but, read into the position of power the mother of the king of Israel had in the old testament. Solomons mother for example. Jesus being the king of kings means his mother is the same in terms of kings mother's.Read what the ancient Church fathers who established Christianity had to say about her and not uninformed people in here who think they figured out Christianity 2000 years after the fact she contradict what the founders of Christianity actually say. History is where you find the truth, not did made up in the last 150 years
>>41241755Another prod who is Bible illiterate! The term woman is only used by Jesus for his mother. The only other person in the Bible who is referred to as woman as a name is Eve before she sinned in Genesis. After she sinned she became Eve. So why does Jesus only ever call his mother woman? Well as the very early church father's told us it's because she was sinless. In addition, if what you're trying to imply by your out of context quote is that Jesus dismissed his mother then Jesus broke the commandment to honor his mother and father! So basically you said Jesus sinned and is under Satan. Now go back, read the entire passage and now that you understand what the term woman actually means you may actually interpret it correctly
>>41241733This is why the God of the Bible, specifically Jesus told us not to worship Mary and not to worship the Queen of Heaven.
>>41242015Are you all illiterate? Not the slightest hint except for revelations, the book of Maccabees in the non redacted Bible etc etc
>>41246561So you disagree with the founders of Christianity citing both Genesis and the new testament use of woman to show Mary was sinless? You also claim Christs flesh was formed from flesh that had sinned meaning he carried original sin and could not be God and pay the debt of sin which could only be paid by God in flesh as the wages of sin is death. You didn't understand your claimed faith very well do you. Ava before you disagree with the church father's they put your Bible together so if they are wrong on Mary, they are wrong on that too
>>41248891And Christ breathed the holy Spirit upon them and said go forth and forgive sins. So him making the apostles mediators doesn't count. Another prod who doesn't read it understand Scripture
>>41253227Ignoring completely the fact that Jesus has to ask permission of the Father as it was not yet time to reveal who he was and if not for Mary the miracle and the result you cite was purely down to Mary whom the Father changed the divine plan for but yes let's ignore all that so I can stay comfortable in my pride filled position invented less than 150 years ago and nothing to do with ancient and true Christianity
>>41253439that's why no one will remember your name
>>41253439It's a good thing no Christians do then because of you're stating otherwise please provide proof from the catechism of the Catholic Church otherwise you've broken the commandant through shall not lie and Paul's condemning of those who slander fellow believers trying to prove what a good Christian you are.
She has a lot of authority and respect. Far be it for me to order an evil archangel. But through prayer and Her intercession it was ordered that it leave me alone.
>>41253457>You also claim Christs flesh was formed from flesh that had sinned meaning he carried original sinSo let me get this straight - you dont believe that God could create in the womb of Mary a body free from sin, but God could create in the womb of Marys mother a body free from sin?why is that? where is that in the Bible. It says plenty of times that Christ was without sin, but not a thing about Mary being in that condition.
>>41241707>How powerful is she really?About 0.7 MegaJesus
>>41253433>The term woman is only used by Jesus for his mother. The only other person in the Bible who is referred to as woman as a name is Eve before she sinned in Genesis.where do you get this stuff from? demonstrably falsehttps://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_1135.htm
>>41241707Imagine worshipping women. Bunch of simps.
>>41241707>made her into a Queen of Heaven/Ishtar figureother way, they had to retrofit the waifu into their new desert cult or there would be no end to revolts
As an eastern orthodox Christian this is our viewWe still believe Mary is the 'Theotokos' meaning 'God-bearer' or 'Mother of God' and therefore hold a lot of respect but there isn't any biblical or tradition to suggest she is the literal queen of heaven. Though we once again still hold A LOT of honor and respect to her though we simply dont use the title queen of heaven. Mary is still seen to be the holiest of all creation. anyways god bless youif u have any questions abt on theology on mary or rlly any eastern theology js ask
>>41257148>We still believe Mary is the 'Theotokos' meaning 'God-bearer' or 'Mother of God' and therefore hold a lot of respectas a reformed protestant i can definitely affirm that. we call her blessed just the angel said all generations would. no more than that, and no less.
>>41255606Imagine not allowing the woman in your culture to worship the divine feminine
>virgin Sure thing cucks
>>41241707She was neither holy nor a virgin
Angel faced and graced to seeimmaculate her beautyempathy infinitydivine choice of suitor theebestowed to duality impart sacred heart duty and ye through we see Christ beMary to what did they doa tortured love parallelnamed by you and in full viewthe bleeding heart a dark spellsorrow compounds the love knewweeping greeting the farewellarms taken to wishing wellher forgotten sacrificestrange how it plays to witnessthere's records that bastardisespirits replaced with sicknesstold to heed the countless liestrust the frame but no picturesthought victors losing the prize
>>41241733Nigger that shit is gay as fuck. Just worsip saturn
>>41258277I'm a child of Saturn: we see control systems better than mostwhat's gay is abrahamism.a 'single source father' you sprouted from? how?>we exist within a 'womb' (the universe)https://youtu.be/UwEpR3HKoy8?list=RDUwEpR3HKoy8
>>41241707I don't think Mary gave birth to Jesus. Baby Jesus was given to them.
>>41253008Jesus is the Sun. Mary is the Moon. The 12 stars are the 12 constellations of the ecliptic. But actually, there are 13.
It was invitro. Joseph was mad though like beyond mad
>>41249909Not this anon but The Descent of Inanna has what he speaks of. Sumerian mythology in general is interesting and I think it contains a lot of truth, especially for the parts that were recycled. It should also be noted that Inanna is one of the deities that have perdured for long in cultures. By that, I mean that she's also Aphrodite, as the early Aphrodite was a goddess of Love and War. Turned into a goddess of simply love, then into Venus with the Romans and it's not too far fetched that the Christian image of Mary as a fertile mother matches that idea too. That aspect of Mary is thereason why Americans converted easily to christianism when the Europeans arrived, by the way.I remember some anon saying that cases of people seeing virgin Mary appear were similar to those of seeing Inanna/Ishtar appear but I don't think I've seen an actual contemporary description despite having extensive knowledge about Sumerian stuff and somewhat understanding Old Babylonian, so I don't have sources for that part. Babylonian texts are hard to find, though, so it may be based on some actual account.
>>41241707A last ditch attempt to counter the wild even for the era misogyny of Israelite religion by sneaking a divine feminine back in where it belongs.
>>41241707A queen of heaven, aka ishtar
>>41259566Mary and Inanna have basically nothing in common aside from being female. Aside from that they are basically opposites. Mary is defined by humility, purity, and motherhood. Inanna is royal, ferocious, sexual (wspecially if we are considering ishtar in the equation) but barely mother except in like 1 or two references out of hundreds (unless you count personified love spells as her literal children). Inanna was so vicious that the other gods agreed to make an ugly version of her to fight her as a counterpart to try to get her to chill. Inanna is a bringer of war and conquest and in some poems seems to be referred to using male pronouns to highlight her dual nature. While I am of the opinion that Mary reflects the tendency of Mediterranean religions toward the inclusion of divine mothers Inanna frankly seems like a stretch to me. She seems far more likely a merging of the dual streams of femininity in hellenic religion of holy virgin and great mother.
>>41249909he doesn't know cathotic rituals are babylon oneserr.....why don't you just look them uplike the wine and the bread breakingits tummunz worshipgod of celibrationI'm his dad dummywhat more proof do you need?ii be mag dumping truth since 2019i'm telling the..... you know what just assume i'm i'm bot or telling lies, i don't have time for hylics
VERY POWERFUL HAHAHAHAHHA
>>41253465>muh bruhtestansYou don't even have same commandments
>>41258290So you are orthodox jew?
>>41262006naw, I'm a dragon
>>41258013Scholars agree that Panthera's unit wasnt located ANYWHERE near judea or galilee, because of the sheer distance, it was possible for panthera to be the father of jesusany more questions about christianity ask away and youll see things add up
>>41255450>>41241755NTA but the idea that Jesus was being rude or dismissing Mary completely misunderstands the ancient language and the core of the passage.The term 'Woman' (gynai) was a respectful, formal address, sometimes even an honorific. Jesus uses it for other women, and most significantly, he uses it again for Mary from the Cross (John 19:26) at the most tender moment, confirming its respectful use.The idiom, 'What have I to do with thee?' is a Semitic way of asserting independence. Jesus was simply clarifying that the launch of his miraculous, messianic ministry the moment leading to his 'hour' of the Cross must be governed by God's divine timetable, not by any human or familial request.If it were a flat rejection, Mary would have walked away hurt. Instead, she tells the servants, 'Do whatever he tells you' (John 2:5). She had perfect faith. Jesus's action immediately after his words shows he was not rejecting her as a person, but was moved by her intercession, thereby demonstrating both his divine authority and his perfect love for his mother.
>>41246561>letting another man dwell inside youAka possession.
>>41258290Saturn is a gas giant planet, not a godEventually I believe saturns rings will be quite useful as reaction mass for a starship.
>>41261972This is your argument?
>>41258013This is some seriously blasphemous shit my friend you should repent and believe the Gospel and ask Jesus Christ for forgivenessto all the Prots in this thread: y'all are the ones breaking from sacred tradition. Almost all of our problems can be traced back to Martin Luther, who broke his chastity vows by marrying a nun (who also broke her chastity vows)
>>41255074You don't understand Genesis obviously. The seed of the woman, only Mary had a seed, will crush the head of the serpent. Mary cannot crush the head of the serpent if she had sin as she would be under the serpwnt. That's Origen one of the early church father's. But let's use your warped logic. Jesus who is God as a gestating fetus wishes to be housed in a tainted sinful according to you? Well done as that's an epic fail
>this tradition>that tradition>pray to this saint>eat this cracker and wine>no dont do that>go to my church>pray this way>no actually u must pray *this* way>no go to *my* church>no my tradition>no mine!Fuck off, all of you can fuck right off.
>>41261972I lost so I change topics. Okay but you're now going to lose this one too uneducated prod.Did you know (obviously not) that the first Bible to say only ten commandments was the king James in the 16th century and do you know why dumbass?As every ancient text had the same commandments but often grouped in different ways, some six, some 8, some 10. The commandments are the same in all just some are grouped together. For example though shall not covet another man's wife or goods nor commit adultery.I hate to break it to you but King James 1500 years after the fact didn't set the rules. Catholics use the grouping of 8 as set out in the oldest Bible the Septuagint but you stick with your redacted modem Bible and think you have the fullness of truth in your own pride
>>41265319>follow le 10 commandments>actually lol jk call no one ur father but ur father in heaven>uhhh unless its a church father>oh btw hate ur own life and hate ur family etc etc also none of ur own works are good enough to go to heaven but u still have to eat the cracker drink the wine confess ur sins read bible all day and night and give the cult your $$$ and btw ur still a worthless sinner unworthy of any grace>also ignore the terrible shit our church leaders doNo, fuck you asshole.
>>41265316What an intelligent reasoned and definitely Christian response.You've convinced me! (Of nothing except you're uneducated, have no ability to reason and are not a Christian but keep larping and see where you end up because of course God must okay by your rules. By the way all those things you just dismissed so eloquently come from the Didache, the oldest Christian writing known in English as the teachings of the apostles and were put down by them, you know the ones Jesus gave Authority too, as the instructions how every Christian must practice which is why Catholics, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox, you know the ancient churches from the time of Christ all practice them. But you know better ha ha
>>41265336>u r worthless unworthy wicked sinner u have a demon u must give us ur money and fast and pray in cult approved manner u wicked foul demon possessed blasphemer!>btw ignore the awful shit our cult leaders do>everyone is a prelest and "holy" people are fucking miserable and the best way to get to god is to hide in a cave for 30 years aloneFuck off
>>41265343I agree, I am not a Christian and do not fucking like your cult of self hatred>these old dead douchebags said this thing so it must be true>muh authoritah of muh book and muh tradishunsReligion is nothing but a $$$ scheme
>>41265336Showing yet again retarded man you don't know Scripture. If call no man father is true why was Abraham called by Jesus the father of all? Why did Saint Paul say I am your spiritual father in his letters both in Scripture? Why did acts and the letters say you just take instruction from the appointed bishop but sure let's ignore all thatAlso burn your Bible as the early church father's you you're dismissing gave you that so if you can't trust them on those things don't trust that they have you that Bible
>>41265355Can you cite any of that from the Catholic cathechism please? You know the book available online which sets what Catholics most believe and practice.No? Thought not. Maybe jimminy Joe Bob pastor lied to you
>>41265367Says who you? A mind so great that you've been acclaimed where exactly. I hate to break it to you, no one gives a toss what you think and you can't even defend a single point you make and I'm fact outright lie.The evidence currently shows you're restarted and no one should pay a jot of notice to a thing you say but I enjoy making you a plaything of my intellect so please continue
Throughout history, we have had many facets of the divine feminine, mother goddess, Gaia in cultures. Mary is just another symbol used to channel energy to some goddess.
>>41265412Evidence or is it just the fact they were all women that you're using as your claim ignoring the historical evidence for Mary. Funny that since Mary's story begins in Genesis so your sources showing these identical characteristics must be older than that
>>41265389I was referring to orthosI can sum up catholics>this asshole in a fucking hat is infallible>ignore our history>u must memorize and pray to dozens of different fucking saints I have heard disparate opinions from catholics as to whether people outside the catholic church are saved or not.But you know what.When your organizations are routinely and institutionally complicit in covering up abuse, and both catholics, orthodo, and prot churches are guilty of institutional abuse, you can take all your useless fucking rituals, your fucking histories, and traditions, and shove them up your ass. They are meaningless.
>>41265466Again zero of what you said is true but why let days get in the c way of a good story but get again changing topics with more lies as you think no one notices you losing hard. Now whenever you want to back up any of your claims with an actual Catholic source I'd love to see it. Let's start with Catholics believe the Pope is always infallible. Prove it using a Catholic source.Also dumbass Orthos also call themselves Catholic
>>41265466Now let's deal with the lie of abuse. According to a US government study kids in secular schools reported abuse at 4 times the level of religious schools. Unlike you I can provide a source: The John Jay report
>>41265466The only saints anyone ever asked me to know the name of were the ones my school was named after.
>>41241707>The Virgin Mary: How powerful is she really?No one is powerful- God is lord of all power seen and unseen. >IntercessionIt occurs on the day of judgement after people are sent to heaven or hell. People granted intercession will remove their concerns from hell entirely by the will of God. However, during this day it will also be common for people to remove family members and such, so it's not a mystical attainment, but another bounty on that day.
She had a lot more kids later on, some are even named but Jesus' brothers and sisters make several appearances. Not to disrespect her but she didn't remain a virgin her entire life, and I think her treatment by catholics is the result of syncretism with other religions hanging around Rome at the time the empire converted, as you said, likely originating from Ishtar/equivalents.
>>41266099>Jesus' brothers and sistersthis is referring to the children of Joseph, the husband of Mary.
