Is pop culture paganism legit? Should I do it?
>Should I Worship [a pop culture character made up by some atheist video game plot writer]I mean, I wouldn't, but I also doubt it would hurt. Gods are all just philosophical concepts that help guide our lives and help us navigate life; Poseidon represents being a good sailor, Silvanus encourages you to take care of the forest and respect wildlife, christianity is a system of controlling poor people and forcing social cohesion. If Sheogorath represents some value or ideal that you give a shit about, by all means do it. In my own opinion, one should make an effort to uphold and update the traditions of their ancestors, so you might consider researching folk religions from the region of your ancestry.>Is pop culture paganism legit?Paganism is not a religion, it is your status as a hillbilly in the eyes of the ancient Roman empire. As far as treating a video game character as a focal point of a folk religion
>>41252627basic chaos magick
>>41252627Don’t call it that. Pagan religions are specifically European religions that were syncretized into Christianity.Worshipping sheogorath wouldn’t be paganism. It would be idolatry, because he’s a video game. If you want to be a pagan worship Zeus.
>>41253318When I was reading the letters from Paul it seemed like anyone who worshipped multiple gods was a pagan
>>41253479Then either the letters from Paul, or your interpretation of them, are incorrect.
>>41253098Paganism did start as the hillbillies of Rome, but I think it has become a contemporary umbrella term in the modern day for a disorganized belief system acknowledging more than a singular divinity. PCP or Pop Culture Paganism is just the catch all term for recognizing and honoring deities from a pop cultural origin.What I have to ask is what is real and what makes any God real? Was God or any God/Goddess real before humans? Or did every God have an origin from a culture/story. Humans just trying to understand the world, making up stories about it and sharing and retelling those stories. Everything is organic, interconnected and flows.Silvanus is the Roman God of the forest, but he himself was just the Roman version of the Greek God Pan, and where did Pan come from? Rural folk stories from earlier people than the Greeks about a forest spirit I'm guessing.The point I'm trying to get it is, every single God is just a human created character from some sort of story. Maybe everything is just thoughtforms that are just aged with time. What makes one God legit/real over any other? Isn't it all just stories at the end of the day?Sadly, I have never cared about my ancestors. The mass of people that make up all the little bits of my DNA are just strangers to me and I doubt I would have anything in common with those people. I am the sum of my thoughts and ideas not the contents of my blood.
>>41252627Yeah, you can call out to a fictional diety for help because in the grand scheme of things, the gods are concepts and archetypes that invariably form the basis for all ideas, situations and characters, so the "fictional" god will line up with a real fundamental source consciousness (or maybe many). Come to think about it, it's probably better to invoke the "fictional" god you allign with that has as many details to represent what you're looking to achieve as possible bacause that way you'll be invoking all the fundamental principles the character embodies instead of the old way of individually calling on the many gods that are needed. I put fictional in quotes because as a thought form, not only does it exist completely in the minds of those who know them, but they also exist as a sort of mixture of all their source materials because of the nature of how imagination is the creation process in the astral plane. They're much weaker and insignificant than say us people, us being ideas in the imagination of the infinite source consciousness (godhead), but they're about as real as us at the end of the day.
>>41252627yeah go ahead lmao
Mad God's Blessingshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quo5G-joSi0
>>41252627 No one is stopping you! You don’t need permission or a “Mother-may-I?” from anyone! You probably won’t get much out of it, as that “god” wont do much for you, as it isn’t well known and there are no other “believers” to “fellowship” with! Being the only “worshipper” isn’t worth much… what’s in it for you? But, “Do what you wilt is the whole of the Law; love under will.”…
>>41252627I accept Tayler Swift as living incarnation of babalon, the holy whore. May her pussy reign supreme. Milf-Power!
>>41252627Everything people worship could be considered an egregore, so it comes down to which one you want to feed.
>>41255830lots of irl daedra worshippers in places like tumblr, reddit, and discord. you just need to know where to look. I wouldn't be the only one, far from it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUuih0miZZshttps://www.docdroid.net/pncSsAd/a-treatise-on-the-subject-of-daedra-worship-luke-a-fytch-2016-pdf
Speaking of irl daedra worshippers, about a year ago I was in an 'invite only' discord server just for irl daedra worship. It had a lot of active members too, only way to get in was to DM some of the active folks on tumblr. One of the members of the server was a well known YouTuber and Elder Scrolls content creator. I don't want to name-names, but I will say they worshipped Molag Bal and believed themselves to be a 'daughter of coldharbour' or a vampire in spirit.Just pointing out, irl deadra worship is a real thing nowadays. it's just something no one talks about openly mostly due to the stigma.
>>41252627eh, you could go with momus
I'd say go for it, some think that having faith in something makes it real, especially if there's a lot of people doing it, and TES religion lore is deep enough that you have specific days dedicated to a deity, as well as rituals you can do, so you wouldn't be going in blind. Rituals help you focus your intent and anchor your faith, you don't need anything to pray to something but if you do it at night with candles while wearing a fancy robe, you'll subconsciously believe it more. Other possibility is that an already established real world deity associates itself with what you're praying. Assuming Dionysus exists for example, you praying to Sheogorath might direct your intent to him. Or it just doesn't work (but Todd would disagree)So you have nothing to lose, and trying would make for an interesting experiment, spend a year actively worshipping Sheo and see if it works.
>>41259796That's true, and speaking of holy days dedicated to the Daedra it's easy to find the real world equivalents since Elder Scrolls uses the same calendar we do just with different names for days and months. Here's a helpful list. oh and fun fact, Sheogoraths summoning day is Groundhogs day.*Tamrielic Date: Real Life Date: Prince*Morning Star 1st: January 1st - Clavicus VileMorning Star 13th: January 13th - MeridiaSun's Dawn 2nd: February 2nd - SheogorathSun's Dawn 16th: February 16th - SanguineFirst Seed 5th: March 5th - Hermaeus MoraFirst Seed 21st: March 21st - AzuraRain's Hand 9th: April 9th - PeryiteSecond Seed 9th: May 9th - NamiraMidyear 5th: June 5th - HircineSun's Height 10th: July 10th - VaernimaHaerthfire 8th: September 8th - NocturnalFrostfall 8th: October 8th - MalacathFrostfall 13th: October 13th - MephalaSun's Dusk 2nd: November 2nd - BoethiahSun's Dusk 20th: November 20th - Mehrunes DagonSun's Dusk 29th: November 29th - JyggalagEvening Star 20th: December 20th - Molag Bal
This is now an elder scrolls threadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-K2rUP86MHave you guys played the Grasping Fortune mod for Tamriel Rebuilt? I have been loving the Temple quests so far.
>>41260672No I haven't but it looks dope! I've been playing Daggerfall Unity with mods since I'm a fossil and grew up with the game. Tamriel Rebuilt looks cool, I'll have to check it outhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbTe_0mkM54
>>41260693I want to get into Daggerfall but from what I've seen the gameplay loop is essentially 100% radiant quests but with a bigger map. I like the idea of getting lost in a giant world but I'd rather have the unique landscapes of Morrowind. In the end, I like the experience of being an outlander and essentially killing god. I can feel how all members of the Temple are seething when one of their masters suddenly becomes the Nerevarine and Lord Vivce himself annoints me as a saint.
>>41252627no
>>41261121Okay, any reason why?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2JCyUI62Gc
>>41260745That's valid, I've also been enjoying the Elder Kings 2 mod for Crusader Kings 3. If you can get past the learning curve and get the DLCs on sale, Paradox loves selling DLCs.. it's not bad. it is an excellent Elder Scrolls mod and being able to play as just about anything even a Daedra worshipper with all the lore accurate religions is dope. If you feel like soaking your brain in Elder Scrolls and want to play something that's more of a RPG/strategy game I'd recommend it.https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2887120253
>>41252627Its just basic bitch idolatry. You dont have to make a clever name for it. Its powerful but it clouds the truth behind illusory waste.
>>41260672>This is now an elder scrolls threadyou n'wah!
>>41252627He's fake like all other pagan gods so who cares go worship a rock like the muslims if you want
>>41252627I like you
>>41262505awww thank you, I like you too
>>41262329Isn't everything illusion? If everything is illusion then why worry about it at all just go with the flow, not like we'll ever know the truth about reality anyway right? And hey, if there's Real Power in worshipping Sheogorath then even more reason to do it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUHjarR-Qc0
>>41263344Sheogorath is probably one of the closest that any of Humanity's spiritual writings got on what the Real God is like.
>>41252627>worshipping a video game characterBased
>>41252627>not Hermaeus MoraGit gud faggot
>>41266601Sheogorath had the superior DLC and story thou
>>41252627>worshipWhy does it have to involve systematic bootlicking? You can instrumentalize any representation with Chaos Magick (which I've done with Sheogorath) but it's known that belief systems are temporary tools within that framework. Unironically kissing a video game character's ass in a religious-like personal cult just seems incredibly pathetic. Maybe think about it as a way to align yourself with the given symbol and becoming more like it, or to access the Mad God's archetype knowledge through the Sheogorath representation. But worshipping it is just pointless and ridiculous.
>>41262472Don't be a svit, call me an n'wah with a hard h.
>>41266759Besides, it's fundamentally flawed if you know eve n a little bit of ES lore. Sheogorath doesn't need worship, if you're off your rockers he blesses you by default. Being sane and trying to worshipping him is like trying to see red while being colorblind. It's just stupid and the OP is a poser faggot.
>>41266759Who said anything about bootlicking? Worship isn't per se licking boot, it's mostly about honoring a divine being that is a part of your daily life. For some it is deeper and about forming a connection with that being. I don't think hardly anyone in the world of any faith licks the boots of whatever it is they believe in, factional or historical.Also it depends on how you define worship, many people worship in many different ways even Christians. Some read the bible, some sing at a church, some volunteer and help others and they are all valid forms of worship. Isn't that much more meaningful and powerful than meditating on a symbol and believing you are unlocking knowledge and power through the magick of chaos? I know it's all just ideas in your head at the end of the day, but one is powerful and intimate and the other is just huffing your own intellectual farts and feeling good about yourself for thinking you have some great power and hidden knowledge.
>>41266793minus the fact the Dunmer/Dark Elves worshipped Sheogorath in game and in lore but yeah..
