>>41255810

Go out into nature. Do not think, just observe. Notice the richness of details in everything around you. Do not force not thinking, just keep observing, watching, listening... don't sit still if you can not do it easily, walk instead. If you find a place that feels good to pause, pause.

>>41255810
its not just focusing on the breath, you have to treat it like a proprioception exercise and feeeeeeeel
try to execute a perfect breath over and over
randomly thinking carries its own habit energy
there is no way to destroy a habit outside of replacing it with another habit
this is why to truly make this work, one needs a handful of sessions per day, once or twice doesnt really cut it
5, 10, 20, a few times a day
a moment whenever you can grab one
and a long session at the end of the day
also understand that random thoughts arise partly as a sort of neurological blowoff valve
the conscious & subconscious operate at different rates that dont wholly resolve into one another
so there winds up being this bit of energetic remainder that builds up, until it reaches a threshold value where it can jump into higher brain centers and pop off a thought
sense activity contributes to the remainder, focus of awareness lessens it by bringing the two into closer alignment
but so long as the senses are untrained, the remainder gets added to faster than the awareness can resolve the discrepancy
so to break the thinking habit, fine tune the breath like you're a professional and its your job
the instant you notice any deviation from this, immediately return to breath tuning
each time you do this, the meditative habit is slightly reinforced and the random thought habit is slightly lessened
tis fully possible to eliminate all random thoughts from occurring, but this takes quite a bit of training
but its important for later things, as these random thoughts will destroy those states, being that they consume the same root energy required for those later things to manifest

>>41255810
> Focusing on breathing doesn't seem to help either.
because you either believe or you’re telling yourself that “meditation” is something more than it is. it isn’t.
try this:
> close your eyes
> imagine yourself in a temple of your own creation
> imagine there is a pile of rocks in front of you
> each time you breathe in and out, pick
up a rock in your mind
> keep track of how many rocks you have in your hands until you get to 12, then dump them out and start again
>if you experience thoughts or loss of focus while counting, dump the rocks and start over
can be rocks, or jelly beans, or money - whatever it is doesn’t really matter - the process of creating an activity for your mind to deal with mitigates loss of attention by tricking brain into focusing on that task, when really it’s a stand-in for counting breaths. you shouldn’t be thinking at all, just occupying your mind with the simple task of counting rocks in your imagination.
you can also try what i call the “Mississippi method”, where with each breath you count very slowly “one-mississippi” and so-on, focusing on the syllables as they enter your mind. by the time you get to “pee”, you’re on the next breath. again you are not thinking a your mind is quiet because you are actively doing something with it, leaving no space
for thoughts. tying your breathing to an activity like this creates an association in your mind which forms a habit, and there are many ways to do this.
by the way, frustration with loss focus *is* the meditation. set a timer and do this for 5 minutes at a time, and slowly work towards 20 minutes. meditation is pushups for your brain - (dis)ability isn’t really a valid excuse; no pain no gain, anon, practice is what makes it go

Here's a tip. Whenever you have an urge to go to /x/, observe that desire but do not act on it. Let it fade away. Leave this place.

>>41256695
>Whenever you have an urge to go to /x/, observe that desire but do not act on it.
honestly not that hard to if you have a meditation practice going, you get to the point that it’s just a choice
anyway this place is still too slow to be a total time suck
also these days you inevitably end up reading or seeing some shit so fake and/or retarded that whatever you were avoiding by browsing /x/ seems more fun
>Leave this place
You are here forever

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>>41255810
If your mind wont shuddup, use it as your meditation object. Just watch your attention hop from one thing to another without trying to stop it. You don't need to stop thinking, you just need to not get caught up into whatever thoughts arise.

>>41255810
The Leaf Method:

1. Picture a leaf of any kind on your mind. (picture the form of the leaf in your imagination, make sure the shape of the leaf is easy for you to picture)

2. Now, count to 10 as you see the leaf fall into a pond of water. (1 it swings to the right, 2 it swings to the left, 3 it swings to the right, and so on when it reaches 10 the leaf falls into the pond and imagine the waves of the pond go towards you. When the waves touch your feet. You begin again from 1.)

3. Do this until you can get to 20 leafs, or more.

>>41255810
First of all are you on meds for ADHD?

>>41255810
Read the path to nibbana by David Johnson

How do I make it stop? I don't know how to make it stop!

>>41255810
try to separate your self from your mind and watch your mind as if you're just a quiet child watching a TV show
the problem isn't the mind being busy, the problem is you are identifying with the thoughts as yourself
if you can quietly watch the mind chatter away it will quickly lose power
this is a constant practice
there is no end, just keep watching
you will get caught up and forget you're not it
then you will catch it and watch again
back and forth
it will eventually get quieter

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>>41255810
When I was a noob I counted marbles in my head while rearranging them/changing their color with each breath.

Example: Breathe in, one white marble, spin it. Breathe out, it switches to black. Breathe in, two white marbles, have them orbit each other. Breathe out, they switch to black. Breathe in, three white marbles, arrange them into a line and then a triangle. Breathe out, they switch to black.
So on and so on
Can repeat at 10 or continue until you can no longer keep track of all of them in your mind in the duration of your breath
If you catch yourself thinking about anything other than the marbles and your breath, you start over from one.

I also think doing some light asanas for 15-30 minutes before meditating helps a lot to get into the right headspace, as long as they are done with full attention and not to any degree of exertion. Not exercise, just some quiet mindful stretching as a physical and mental warm up so you're not jumping right in to trying to meditate after just turning your monitor off.

>>41255810
I pretty recently started "seeing things" in meditation. It's pretty cool. I'm not sure im astral projecting or what, it's a state kind of like a dream and dream logic applies to a degree. But it's not as malleable.
This is after like a year of meditating daily with gateway or random binaural tracks. I reach a state after I lose touch with my body, around 80 minutes in, then my feet start tingling with what feels like static electricity (kinda). Then I Will myself to fly feet first downwards off my bed, and I open my third eye in this weird dream version of my house.
It's weird

>>41255810
>Tell me your go to method to shut off your thoughts

>>41257433
>Well, you start by ***thinking*** of this leaf

>>41255810
Larp as if the thoughts are not you, they don't belong to you - and that you didn't even create them. Thoughts are their own separate entity and you can only "tune in" to thoughts with your radio antennae (your brain).
Once you're in this frame of mind - you can meditate anytime and anywhere. Regardless of thoughts.

>>41259490
Vision work. It is a form of astral projection. Be careful with it.

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>>41255810
I've been doing metta meditation lately as a sort of "reset" to help get back into meditation after a long break. The goal of metta(goodwill) meditation isn't to "shut off your thoughts" but to spread thoughts of goodwill in ever widening circles, until you encompass all living beings, there's a general script that one can use, but you can also get creative and use the "language of your heart". A simple formula is as follows

>May I be Happy
>May I be free from animosity and pain
>May I be free from trouble, free from ill-will, free from harm, and free from oppression
>May I look after myself with ease
>May I find true happiness in my heart(nirvana)

You can use the script starting with yourself, and then your family, people close to you, people you like, people you don't like, and even people you hate, and then finally to all living beings everywhere in the whole cosmos, insects, animals, and even aliens too!

This meditation practice involves centering the mind on the theme of goodwill and is very* powerful and can even lead to states of Jhana or bliss-absoption if you're interested in that kind of thing(I've personally experienced this with this specific practice)

This practice has also been shown scientifically to improve empathy with other people and in general help at forming connections.

>>41260428
metta is a natural and proper outcome
its annoying seeing mcflavors of stuff like this

>>41255810
Try the direct path instead. Realize that you don't actually ever think. Mental processes occur and thoughts arise in the mind-body complex you are temporarily attached to and percieving. The direct path is when these mental proceses and thoughts are redirected towards locating their perciever alone. In other words make yourself, the pure subject, the object of your meditation. You start by first establishing all the things which are not you - you can't be the body, not the senses, not any thoughts, not any subtle perceptions or blissful sensations which can be seen as awareness, etc, these are all objects of perception and therefore not the subject to which they occur. The pure and blissful consciousness that you are should become increasingly clear through this process, but if it can't be found, look for that which is percieving the looking itself. But remember any resulting perception, can never be it.

>>41260562
Metta isn't some kind of mcflavor. It itself* can be used as a legitimate method for developing concentration and meditation. Metta is simply a theme like the breath or anything else and can be used accordingly. There are monks who have developed concentration through body contemplation or simply repeating the word "Buddho" over and over again. The theme* of meditation that works best for the individual is going to vary from person to person and there's no "one size fits all" solution. This is simply one of them, and you would do well not to look down on it, respectfully.

>>41260608
Also, once you have found it, you don't have to continue looking as that's a mental process. You should let yourself experience the freedom of just being as that, and not having to identify with the thinking mind anymore. It's sublime peace.

>>41260615
no I'm saying when you've legitimately generated it straight from the core, the notion of just artificially generating it without having it manifest as an outcome of proper practice is pretty much hollow

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>>41255810
It's like spinning a ball on your finger, if you lose concentration on the ball you're going to drop it. That's basic meditation, focus on one thing and when thoughts pop up in your head, just return to what you intend to focus on (without thinking, just observe without thought or judgement).

>>41260719
>just observe without thought or judgement
as a reminder, here's the definition
>ob·serve
>1. notice or perceive (something) and register it as being significant
one absolutely does not want to "observe" as per the definition of the word
full stop once the word "notice" is hit, return to practice
I think sometimes people use words without realizing what they truly mean
so while this may sound like a semantic nitpick,
the connotations for meditation are significant

>>41255810
Take meds for adhd I think this is much better than meditation

>>41260734
Why would English tell you anything about Buddhist meditation? "Notice" might not even be a word in Sanskrit.

>>41255810
For the longest time I couldn't shut off my thoughts. There were plenty of times I totally failed. You only make it worse by fighting it, instead learn to observe the thoughts and just let them pass. If you have a problem, that's when you drop the desire to solve it and focus on meditation.

>>41260773
Not OP but ADHD meds are medical grade meth. It still comes with side effects. I'm able to be productive with discipline alone.

>>41255810
Try yoga nidra as side training. Once you can switch relaxation on and off, apply it to meditation.

>>41260895
Just go to a psychiatrist they’ll prescribe you medicine for your ADHD

>>41259670
Have to crawl before you can walk

>>41260329
Careful how?

>>41255914
What this guy said, he posts in nearly every meditation thread and he is right: take care of the somatic aspects first.

I've been doing it for some time now and it's very hard, my body is extremely tense and my breath is all over the place (tense, shallow, fast) and it takes lots of time sitting in order to relax them both (body and breath) but when I managed it my mind produces thoughts at a very slower rate and thus I am able to concentrate better.

>>41255810
try to watch a movie

>>41255810
Barefoot walking in the sun
Mind focused on the outside and inner world
Total immersion in reality.

>>41260839
>Why would English tell you anything about Buddhist meditation?
are you really making the asinine assertion that buddhist meditation cannot be described in english?
>"Notice" might not even be a word in Sanskrit.
imagine thinking there's no word for this in sanskrit
tf are you being argumentative for, these are distinctions that are impactful for cultivation, dumbass

>if you have difficulty controlling breath, try breathing as if you're underwater. the extra strain on your throat and lungs will force you to take the air slowly
>imagine a golden field around you expanding and contracting as you inhale and exhale
>imagine that what touches the field (ground, objects, insects, air, water,, etc) becomes part of you and you become a part of it as it enters and leaves the field
>imagine the field expanding as much as you can and get into the feeling of what it's like to be the things that come in contact with it
>imagine energy flowing up and down your spine. if it gets tingly and pleasurable/orgasmic, allow it
thats what i do

>>41255810
I've found, as someone who also suffers from adhd, that meditation focusing on a single idea to be helpful. typically I like to use objects, like a white flower (lotus or rose usually).

I'm an experienced meditator, but my thoughts are not always or even usually shut off when I'm meditating, half the time it's the opposite; that's when I do my thinking, otherwise I'm on autopilot. But I grow cells in myself and destroy parts of cells to automate the process; the meditation comes over me like an ocean wave and I'm doing it till I'm done, then I start again. I meditate most of the time.

There are plenty of situations where I can see part of the future. I can see when you will be practicing occult things in the future like meditating. With your permission I would like to grow some cells in you that help you to do it, and help your meditation to help the rest of us.

Not in you but in three of the most experienced Buddhist meditators we did grow one neuron each to further help your studies.

I would like to do more of that on alien planets, you know there are all different forms of meditation and all different effects they have on beings, and the loosh of that is very important to us.

4-7-8 breathing
Been doing it for three weeks now. In 4, pause 7, out 8

this is why this website is full of fucking women just like every other fucking site on the internet. everyone rushing in to give their two fucking cents in hopes that OP follows THEIR advice. it's so fucking annoying

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>>41264377
>Tell me your go to method to shut off your thoughts while in meditation.
>reee why are people suggesting their methods

>>41260681
>the notion of just artificially generating it without having it manifest as an outcome of proper practice is pretty much hollow
You're looking at it the wrong way anon. Meditating on the theme of goodwill is* itself a proper practice for the centering the mind, like the breath or anything else. It's not hollow if you're goal* is to meditate on a theme. Its a matter of getting the mind absorbed, there's no method thats "hollow" compared to another, so long as it leads to Jhana or concentration-absorption. It seems like you've created an artificial category of "legitimate" vs "artificial". That is superficial and not grounded in reality. Careful not to look down two millennia's worth of meditative wisdom because it seems "artificial" "hollow" or whatever.

>>41264173
>I'm an experienced meditator, but my thoughts are not always or even usually shut off when I'm meditating, half the time it's the opposite; that's when I do my thinking
you'll never make much of any progress in meditation this way
I know everyone wants to just do meditation however tf they wanna
but understand, thinking consumes the root potential required to build up for advanced states
the mind cannot waver if it is to manifest samahdi

>>41266101
eh, the problem comes about when there's all kinds of methods that dont really produce high efficiency
this is the reason why one can go to a monastery and most if not all of the monks have no real attainment
people fuck around with lesser methods and dont do the refinement
when you do the refinement properly and actually manifest metta as a practice outcome without ever intending to produce it, its just different than if you sit there thinking feel goody things and hope jhana will come one day, maybe, if you're lucky
I have no problem challenging those years with my own experiences, but I do realize that's a bit much for scholars

>>41255810
I used to chant Amitabha, then take a break from chanting and my mind would stay quiet. Eventually I became able to keep the mind mostly quiet without chanting. Additionally I'd say that having thoughts isn't necessarily bad/wrong, you should just be aware that the thoughts aren't a consequence of some inherent self, that they aren't you, but rather that they are separate phenomena (if that makes sense)

>>41266449
>eh, the problem comes about when there's all kinds of methods that dont really produce high efficiency
Metta meditation is a pretty reliable beginner meditation practice, which is what OP is looking for. I agree its not as refined as meditating on the breath/body in terms of the insight it will yield, it can nonetheless be a great starter kit if you will.

>this is the reason why one can go to a monastery and most if not all of the monks have no real attainment
This is patently false. The real reason most monks don't have any attainment is because monkhood is more of a social class that involves ritualism, as opposed to being a spiritual vocation for people willing to do anything* to attain awakening. In short their not that committed. There's a prevalent belief in Thailand for instance wherein most monks had collectively agreed that enlightenment was "impossible" in the current era. This is a ridiculously common belief globally from what I've encountered. In any case a monk will come around like Ajahn Mun did in Thailand at the turn of the 20th century, and abandon the spiritually corrupt social structures, train in the forest on his own, and attain awakening and then help awaken other monks who are more seriously interested in practicing the Dharma. Until the monastic communities they* founded wither away into stagnation again and are left with "social monks" who are spiritually bankrupt.
- Also Monks in almost all* Buddhist traditions take vows that prevent them from sharing their attainments with anyone who isn't a monk

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Forest_Tradition

>its just different than if you sit there thinking feel goody things and hope jhana will come one day, maybe, if you're lucky
I've personally experienced Jhana and bliss-absorption from Metta Meditation. Not as frequently as I have with the breath, but it still is possible nonetheless.

>>41266528
>Metta meditation is a pretty reliable beginner meditation practice, which is what OP is looking for.
you might want to go reread the OP about what he asked for
>This is patently false
I wasnt insinuating that all monks have no attainment
>I've personally experienced
I dont want to get in to nitpicking people's perceptions of jhana, it usually devolves into some argument and the vast majority of the time nothing's said that gives any indication that anything serious was accomplished

>>41257461
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>>41260895
>>41260928
Yeah, ADHD medication absolutely mogs gay ass meditation. Western medicine beats eastern medicine again, score 100000 - null. Not saying that meditating doesn't work at all for ADHD, it does improve it, but it a) requires WAY more effort, than just going to the pharmacy once a month and pop a pill each morning b) is considerably weaker in it's effects
Let me ask you a question: If meditation would mog utterly medication, why is medication the gold standard for ADHD treatment (don't give me te tinfoil hat "le big pharma hooks people on drugs to make more money")
In this fucking thread alone several people have come out telling from experience that medication works better than meditation for ADHD, but I guess they're all paid shills by big pharma, right?

>>41255914
Great stuff as always.
May I ask which are the senses? How do I tame each one? The breath is one of them right?

>>41266579
>don't give me te tinfoil hat "le big pharma hooks people on drugs to make more money"
>dont give me that crap about side effects either, nobody gets those
>there's nothing wrong with using drugs to fuck with you serotonin pathways and dopamine cycle
wew lad

>>41266544
>you might want to go reread the OP about what he asked for
A meditation practice, that is not breath, but also beginner friendly, hence Metta.

>I wasnt insinuating that all monks have no attainment
Only that most don't, has it ever occurred to you that most* laypeople have no attainment either? What does that prove?

>I dont want to get in to nitpicking people's perceptions of jhana, it usually devolves into some argument and the vast majority of the time nothing's said that gives any indication that anything serious was accomplished
Ultimately I give you my testimony of Metta meditation leading to Jhana and you imply "well you could be deluded". That's fair you're right to be suspicious of anyone claiming to have attained jhana(though its not a really crazy attainment and can be experienced by a beginner fairly easily). Fortunately you don't have to take my word for it, The Buddha is pretty clear on the question of "Can Metta lead to Jhana?"

>>41266544

>"Bhikkhus, when liberation of mind by loving-kindness (mettā-cetovimutti) is developed, frequently cultivated, made a vehicle, made a foundation, established, consolidated, and properly undertaken, four benefits are to be expected. What four?

He dwells pervading one direction with a mind imbued with loving-kindness, likewise the second, third, and fourth directions, and so above, below, around, and everywhere, and to all as to himself; he dwells pervading the entire world with a mind imbued with loving-kindness, abundant, exalted, measureless, free from hostility, and free from ill will.
From this, he enters and dwells in the first jhāna, which is accompanied by rapture (pīti) and happiness (sukha) born of seclusion, with directed thought (vitakka) and sustained thought (vicāra).
With the subsiding of directed thought and sustained thought, he enters and dwells in the second jhāna, which is accompanied by rapture and happiness born of concentration, with inner tranquility and singleness of mind, without directed thought and sustained thought.
With the fading away of rapture, he dwells equanimous, mindful, and clearly comprehending, experiencing happiness with the body; he enters and dwells in the third jhāna, of which the noble ones declare: ‘He dwells happily with equanimity and mindfulness.’

- Aṅguttara Nikāya, Book of Fours, Sutta 125 (AN 4.125).

>>41266594
for reference
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/21998-cranial-nerves
consider that sense inputs generate neurological potentials by which signal is carried
basically you want to attenuate all of these neurological potentials
which equates to restraining the senses
the breath isnt quite a sense, but the olfactory nerve by virtue of air coming across it, is one of these places to target and eliminate the signals generated
so if you sniff the air, that's the most direct way to generate signal
when smelling something like a flower, you want this input to detect the scent of the flower
I've literally had bad smells go completely undetected because I was breathing too subtly
helps when its something like a fart, lol
so the idea is to let go of the airways and not use them at all to breathe with
just use the gut, all the structures that have an effect upon the peritoneum (sack surrounding the guts)
the diaphragm inhales like there's a little guy with a sail attached to a rope,
the exhale is supported well and fully by the perineum and abdominal muscles
exhale completely but not to the point of strain
the eyes have a handful of cranial nerves
CNs go all over the face and head, this is why its important to relax the face, jaw, shoulders
sounds and movement trigger the vestibulocochlear
herky jerky breath movements will trigger the vagus, etc
attenuate these signals down to 0 and yin will transform into yang

>>41266636
>op: focusing on breath doesnt seem to help
so your perception is thus that its just not a good method for him, instead of probing for depth on what was actually employed.
like some dumb old woman told me long ago, "I focused on breathwork for 20 years and it got me nowhere"...and then she got mad at me for telling her it sounded simply like there was something wrong with her method
I made achievements beyond hers within a year and a half, over 20 years ago
all in how the method is employed
>what does that prove when most laypeople make no attainment when that's not their life focus, vs a monk who it is their life focus to make spiritual attainment
kek maybe its a bad assumption that monks are trying to make spiritual attainments
or more accurately, arrange the conditions properly for their arising, since these attainments just quite simply are not directly manifested
>experienced by a beginner fairly easily
that's the kind of bullshit I'm talking about, any serious accomplishment isnt easily experienced by a beginner
thus we get into people's perceptions of words and what could they mean as applied to jhanas
when someone's perception is borne only of words and they convince themselves of things, thus we have distance in our understandings
with some effort, early signposts will arise, but most of those things mean relatively little and its among the reasons why it is taught to not focus on the scenery
experiences of joy are but the endocrine system coming into harmony
this happens more solidly when the foundation is trained and this is a natural outcome
were I deluded about these things, I'd be telling you I was enlightened for having experienced the real spark
but as I trained hard enough to generate it regularly like clockwork, I know it is very much a state of conditioning
ergo if refinement and driving efficiencies is not focused upon, then the outcomes quite simply do not have a high probability of arising
its a busy day and its time for breakfast.

>>41266636
>Fortunately you don't have to take my word for it, The Buddha is pretty clear on the question of "Can Metta lead to Jhana?"
also,
this translation of a translation of a translation of a buddha's words...
>when liberation of mind by loving-kindness (mettā-cetovimutti) is developed
>frequently cultivated, made a vehicle, made a foundation, established, consolidated, and properly undertaken
I dont say the buddha because there's quite a few
"when x is developed"
doesnt necessarily mean do x and x is there and you can express x
what I'm telling you is that from my own cultivation experience
foundational methods applied properly produce x
its similar to those who practice imagination exercises where they imagine something until they're convinced its real
its not the same as having the outcome naturally arise out of practice
inb4 but who are you to question a buddha's words

>>41266639
and a reminder that a buddha also said to verify these things with your own acumen, do not trust these words simply because a buddha has said them
because we wind up checking the interpretation of the translators as well

>>41266687
>that's the kind of bullshit I'm talking about, any serious accomplishment isnt easily experienced by a beginner
It is a matter of conditioning and progress will to some degree be halted or hastened by the quality of you're present mind and lifestyle, but it isn't all too untoward to suggest that a decent person of moderate virtue could taste some pitta and the first jhana after a few meditations. It might not be reliably conditioned every meditation, but its certainly not beyond the pale of probability as a one-shot experience like you're suggesting it is. I know reddit has a lot of stigma on here, but you can go on there and find countless people giving testimonies of bliss-absorption or pitti which is the keynote of the first jhana. If you were talking about the 4th Jhana, I think you would have a much stronger case anon.

>but as I trained hard enough to generate it regularly like clockwork, I know it is very much a state of conditioning
ergo if refinement and driving efficiencies is not focused upon, then the outcomes quite simply do not have a high probability of arising
its a busy day and its time for breakfast.
I'm glad you trained hard and have reaped the benefits, and that may have been necessary for you to attain the 1st level of jhana, but ermmm it just isn't for most people. You're dead wrong there.

>>41266718
And that's precisely what i'm saying, now we've gone full circle. I tested the idea that metta can lead to jhana in the laboratory of my own mind, told you the results, and now all that's left if for you to test it out yourself, and find out if my words are really true or not....

>>41266742
>t isn't all too untoward to suggest that a decent person of moderate virtue could taste some pitta and the first jhana after a few meditations
this just tells me you have a very low level understanding of jhana if you think a complete beginner can get right on to em after just a few meditations

>>41266747
>this just tells me you have a very low level understanding of jhana if you think a complete beginner can get right on to em after just a few meditations
Let me be absolutely clear. Jhana can happen spontaneously to a beginner after a few meditations as a one-shot experience. A beginner cannot* -reliably condition jhana every meditation- after a few meditations. There's even a name for this phenomena in eastern circles with a theistic bent. They call it the "Divine Fisherman" throwing you a bone, i.e. having an early meditation experience of pitti or jhana. It's really not that crazy, whether it will happen or not early on depends a lot on past karma, but it can happen and it can happen fairly easily* as a one-shot experience for the beginning meditater. It almost seems like you've cooked jhana up to be this CRAZY, OTHERWORLDY ATTAINMENT, when its really not all that serious or difficult to attain.

Again to
>consistently condition Jhana regularly
fairly difficult
>to experience Jhana as a one-shot
not really.

>>41266650
Based olfactory anon, thank you for all these posts.

>>41267788
witnessed and namaste

>>41264331
anon how tf am i supposed to breathe out for 8 seconds if i inhale for 4, please tell me because I can't do it

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How do i meditate when i live in an apartment complex surrounded by negros that play loud music, and if not music they just talk loudly, stomp and bang on the walls like animals. I'm trying my best, the times I've been successful meditating it feels amazing. But lately I've had no luck focusing, the noise isn't the only thing, it's the vibrations, i feel them in ny head, it's driving me crazy. Whatever positive feelings meditation gives me, it ends up ruined by the anger these fucking animals create in me

>>41270803
b/w 4 am - 6am, 6pm - 7:30 pm or 10 pm - 12 am
any of these 3 slots are good for meditation

>>41270803
You don't.
I lived in a similar situation where my apartment was so poorly constructed I could feel my upstairs neighbors kid running around all hours of the day and night. I blamed myself for letting it bother me, but ultimately there's nothing to be done about it other than move.

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>>41270803
>How do i meditate when i live in an apartment complex surrounded by negros that play loud music, and if not music they just talk loudly, stomp and bang on the walls like animals.
You move to somewhere nicer, and a little uptight and WASP.

Also, 3M P3000 tri-flange earplugs and 3M X5A for the loud stuff in the meantime.

>>41266609
There is no medication without side effects. Every human reacts differently hence why there are different types of ADHD medication. What works for person a might not work for person b and vice versa. The key is deciding if the benefits of the medication outweigh the side effects and especially in ADHD medication they fucking do tremendously for most people, once they found the medication that works for them. Getting to this point is try and error and you have to take a risk, something a pussy like you probably is too afraid of.
>oh noes, i got a small headache from taking this pill, mommy please help!

>>41255810
Any experienced meditators?
Yeah.

>Tell me your go to method to shut off your thoughts while in meditation.
I don't shut them off. I accept them as they are and let them go. They come back, I accept them, let them go, they come, I accept, let go, come, accept, go...

>I have a real ADHD mind and i just cant make it stop talking and wondering around aimlessly. Focusing on breathing doesn't seem to help either.
That's normal. There is no goal with meditation, so you will get distracted, thoughts will come, you will accept them, and you will let them go. Breathing works as a metaphor for this cycle. The urge to breath comes, you take a breath and feel your lungs stretch and fill with fresh air, and you let it go, the urge comes, take a breath, let it go...

>>41270803
Noise complaint to the city, soundproofing foam on the offending wall that you share, headphones with hybrid ANC (there's new types that really cuts out voices anker soundcore space one for cheapest option).

>>41270836
pretty much any time is good for meditation, provided you didnt just eat.

>>41271176
>something a pussy like you probably is too afraid of.
now that's hilarious
look, my brain functions just fine so I dont need any of that bs to begin with
>what, scared of some little side effects?
>scared of losing your libido completely?
>scared of suicidal thoughts?
>scared of not being able to eat or sleep right?
>scared of not being able to shit?
>scared of getting other debilitating diseases?
>scared of things just not feeling right, ever
its funny and retarded watching someone akshually try to defend adhd meds
>but we need these
no, you never did, what happened is your dumb fuck parents listened to the dumb fuck doctor and put you on the wheel of big pharma as a guinea pig so your doctor could get a bonus from the pharma company for signing up another plebe into the experiment industrial complex

>>41271637
lol what the hell is accepting random thoughts

>>41271858
When people FIRST START OUT in zazen they accept thoughts as they come, but don't judge themselves for having thoughts. The next step may be to realize the thoughts don't even come from the ego, then you dispell the ego, and you are finally decently embarked on meditation

>>41271858
You basically just "cool story bro" to every thought you have and eventually the voice in your head gets sad and goes away
Works for some people who can't achieve quiet just from focusing on the breath

I'm very new to meditation, is it really just "not thinking"? I've heard of something like breathing through your muscles and imagining the breath going from your chest to your fingers, chest to toes, etc. how do I know if it works? It's all mental so it could just be placebo?

>>41271853
>look, my brain functions just fine
Doubt.
>so I dont need any of that bs to begin with
Ok, so you admit that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about here.
I was diagnosed for ADHD and medicated when I was 25. ADHD medication helped me being able to hold down a full time job and thus being financially independent for the first time in my life. A full time job. I'm fairly sure by the way you type that you don't even know what that is. Side effects for me are slim to none. I personally know a couple of other people with similar stories. But hey, we are only speaking from our daily experience. Clearly you know much more than us, because you read some retarded anti pharma facebook memes a 40 year old autism mom posted, right?