Is there a permanent soul or Atman? Buddhism denies its existence.
>>41272536>Is there a permanent soul or Atman? Absolutely.>Buddhism denies its existence.Who cares what Buddhism claims?
>>41272536Actually you should read the Nirvana Sutra for the Buddha's final teaching on the Self. If you feel you are ready for it
>>41272639Hard determinism.
>>41272536Buddhism was essentially laughed out of it's country of origin, should tell you everything you need to know.
>>41272536no, and thats a good thing
>>41274548>And was adopted by the superior far East.
>>41274786Far East adopted communism too, doesn't mean anything
>>41274861Japan isn't communist.
>>41274869Either way the east practices Mahayana which is heavily watered down from original buddhism. You don't even actually aim for nirvana in it and it has essentially an atman in buddha-nature/dharmakaya
>>41274882The higher vehicles are improvements not downgrades.Buddha taught different "versions" to different disciples who were more advanced.You really think he was teaching Tantra/Vajrayana techniques to jeets memorizing the four noble truths?Lol.
>>41274893His actual teaching was probably closer to the one preserved in the agamas and pali canon. Everything after seems like a concession, like "yes we believe the ultimate goal is to eternally experience nothing at all, but we won't actually do it since we're noble bodhisattvas"
>>41274937Nothingness wasn't formally adopted until Nagarjuna.Buddha in the Pali Canon emphasizes Vipassana and Samatha to be cultivated. But there never was a "formal" Vipassana meditation or anything like that. It was later made up by Goenka and passed down as authentic.The "Theravada" you practice is not the one Buddha did. He gave different "techniques" to different disciples at different levels.That's why when it reaches Tibet/China, it was all "Buddhism" but very different in intensity and power.He was that ahead of his time. But what was recorded in the Pali Canon was not "everything" the Buddha knew. He realized that certain methods could not be given to the public so he settled with the Four Noble truths, eightfold path, etc.If anyone is practicing a "watered" down flavor it's you.I mean think about it logically. Most Buddhists adhere to the original "version" but will never awaken in one lifetime.That should tell you something
>>41274960I'm hindu
>>41274976Opinion discarded then.Hinduism isn't as inquisitive as Buddhism.Perhaps Advaita Vedanta comes close but Shankara was late to the party.
>>41272639Interesting
>>41274989Advaita Vedanta has the same problems as Buddhism, it denies the world has any real existence and has the same ultimate goal to cease experiencing anything dynamic for the rest of eternity. Most forms of Hinduism affirm the creative knowing/willing/acting power of the absolute as an inseperable ability of the conscious ground itself, aka God, and don't treat God like a meaningless illusion to be transcended.
>>41275050Completely wrong.Advaita Vedanta teaches Brahman and Atman are one. And realization is attained by seeing them as nondualistic.Via Neti Neti or Self-enquiry.I'm not a fan but I do respect that path more than Shaivism because it mixes in a bunch of nonsense into the equation of awakening.Vajrayana does dirty worship to but there is upward mobility to realIe non-duality You don't stay stuck in the narrative of Shakti uniting with Shiva or whatever.That's why Hinduism is weak sauce.
>>41275060diety worship too*real non-duality*
>>41275060Nonduality of Atman-Brahman is not the distinguishing feature of Advaita Vedanta, "jagat mithya" is. The metaphor of the world is a rope (static) and only appears as a snake (dynamic) because of ignorance in the individual, and Shankara wants to return to being a lame ass rope
>>41275083If you take the perspective of the Koshas which even Maharshi goes on about.And that's exactly my point. It's why Hinduism/Shaivism is dumb because it incorporates the subtle body so heavily into awakening that you think realization comes from living your life.It doesn't. You just create a further duality between you and "God" where you confuse the two. The deeper realization was there never was separation in the first place.But that escapes you because you believe nondualism is a spiritual bypass to God because you prioritize how you feel about ontology rather than what's actually true.Nagarjuna basically eliminated that BS and Hindus have been in denial since.
>>41275097You're just ranting about nonsense now.
>>41275114>Can't refute the argument.I accept your concession.
>>41275097Why does magick work then?
>>41275192Because the occult is completely beside the point to awakening.
>>41275202No overlap?
>>41275211Well who is the one doing the magick?Where is the experiencer taking place within experience?
>>41272536Isn't there something like that in Pure Land Buddhism?
>>41272536Yes but also no but also yes and no at the same time but also neither yes nor no>Congratulations, you are now a Buddhist
>>41272536Everything is impermanent, even your cherished "soul" once it disposes the cycle of bodies it is using to escape the prison. https://z-lib.fm/book/118586013/10e152/o.html
