whats even the point of a 'Hell'?is there meant to be some reconciliation aspect? like when some guy gets 100+ years in prison for some horrible crime there obviously isn't any notion he's coming out at any point a reformed man or some stupid shitbut in most cases where the guy gets like 20 or something years the idea is that he'll have changed and no longer a threat to society or wtv until his deathwhat does perpetual suffering even achieve?
in contemporary christianity it needs to be black and white so you are forced to accept jesusin judaism you serve different sentences in there to purify your sins, only some are stuck there foreverin orthodox christianity everyone goes to the same place after death - being exposed to god. its your experience of it that is either suffering or paradise based on your own self judgement: Unbearable shame or bliss.
>>41272786>what does perpetual suffering even achieve?We do not form hell. We form heaven, and hell is created as a potential inverse. Job 1:6One day the formulations of good came to present themselves before the selector, and their inverse meanings also came with them. The selector said to the inverse meanings, “where did this shit come from?"Follow the way, the truth, and the life. Everything that is not selected, will be vaporized.They are like a dream when one awakes; when you arise, Selector, you will despise them as fantasiesHell is the knowledge of a place we did not choose.
>>41272786I like that if I'm exposed to Jesus, but I still choose not to worship him, I'm damned to suffer for eternity. Christians are sadistic.
>>41272786Where in the Bible does it say that anyone who doesnt make it to heaven is perpetually tormented in hell?I’m Christian and see no reason to believe that is what hell is like for every individual. I think the perpetual torment is for very specific cases and i think most sinners without Jesus will just cease to exist, they will be denied eternal life in heaven.
>>41272925Im a Christian and actually read the bible and dont let the world tell me what to think about things. I have not read anywhere in the bible that says every single person who doesnt make it to heaven is eternally tormented. God is a just judge. What kind of just judgement gives everyone the same punishment? That’s not just and so it’s also likely not going to be how the afterlife works. I think most nonbelievers who arent horribly evil people will get the afterlife they are expecting: they will simply stop existing at death. Their soul and body will be dead. Some next level evil people like satan, the angels who fell with him, demons, murderers rapists sociopaths with no remorse…okay maybe those people get a similar eternal punishment. But for some lady who is an atheist but lives a more or less decent enough life I believe God will just destroy their soul and they will no longer exist. What is so evil about giving people exactly what they expect?TLDR; if you actually read the bible the punishments at the end of the world for nonbelievers doesnt sound black and white heaven or eternal punishment. There are even mentions of things like ‘outer darkness’ as a punishment which is obviously different than traditional ‘hell’ teachings.
>>41272786Hell is a place withoutHeaven is a place withThere is no water in hellThere are the living waters in heaven -from which all life springs forth.Hell is a place to prove that you aren't a god.You have to produce from the void like God did to feed yourselfAnd build for yourselfAnd it is a spiritual death in the form of stagnationThe Lord who is God of wisdomPulls for us concert from the sum of life and deathTo lead our souls and mature us to understand His grand message.If you keep digging your heels into the ground or if the Lord ignores you then eventually you will be stagnated in the spiritAnd led completely away from the product of time that made you who you are.But the Lord said he would forgive everyone.He is the God of mercy.Not the presidentNot even the kingAlbeit the God of mercy.Lord of all the living.
The real Hells are a place to pay for any sin you committed you didn't already pay for in one of your life times or the Land of the Dead. It is beyond life and death and so one can take on the perspective of those they've hurt perfectly; each small insult and big crime is paid for. For most that's it, they are few who use occult powers to earn for themselves more punishment then that, for you have to really pursue it and mean it, we grade on a curve since people are idiots. If you have no idea what you're doing when you try some evil occult power and it does nothing we don't really count that, but if your soul were aligned with Satan and the evil was real and the danger then you have to pay for that, and that's where you get into eternity and longer in the Hells. Some few dable in helping Satan without cosigning themselves to eternities in the Hells but among the list there for an eternity or longer you'll find a bunch that sided with Satan for at least one forever against the Almighty.
It’s the only way to burn off their demonic energy. It’s not eternal.
>>41272786The point of it is to destroy the non believers that couldn't accept the Christ and give up their sin. They don't spend "eternity" in there, though to them they will experience eternity. The fires will leave nothing but ash, even the corrupted soul will be destroyed.
Hell in chinese mythology is a bureaucratic shitshow of diplomats and officials trying to register the "deceased". You're only source of nutrition in the afterlife is libations. I had a nightmare of the canopic jars in hell before, apparently souls linger near their burial urns and speak amongst themselves in silenceThe entire point is to escape hell via using a shi or personator to carry out your trivial persons duties while you slip away as a shapeshifting entity that can conjure it's own food through celestial gleaning or materialization. When you are a disembodied being you make your own body and eat your own imaginary food.That's why it's an identity matrix, people want their loved ones to be apparent after the die so you hirer a daemon to be your stand in or servitor. It's like having a guardian angel who knows the workings of hell. The worse part of hell is the endless dying and reemergence into an infernal plane filled with demons that thirst for blood. It's like being born endlessly at a slaughterhouse.Best case scenario is that you become a denizen of the underworld and get sorted into your boat (family) but since people aren't happy with their lives on earth they want to be someone else. That's why having a shi is important, cause it acts like a boundary daemon that punishes evil doers for the exchange of plutonic wealth.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_(personator)People encounter shis all the time in dreams, and sometimes they take on the roles of relatives, sometimes they can be harmful, but not always.
>>41272786Its reconciliation for everyone else that bad things happen to bad people and we live in a just world."Deserve" is a myth. Things just happen, with some probability. We say that someone who forgets to take a precaution one time doesn't deserve to lose both his legs and become a homeless drug addict...but that's just what happens, with some probability. So you're supposed to think of hell, or "the worst thing that could ever happen to you", when going about life, or else.
You don't even need fire and all that just lock someone in a dark room and the human condition will sort out the rest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cacodemonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEucLZLMkacYou have to fight the cacodemons to escape hell, so it would be like this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws8JocOpkvY
it's to control stupid golems and to keep humanity in FOGS regarding the demiurge system
>>41272925>Christians are sadistic.
>>41272786PAIN, pain fear and ignorance are tools of the asshole false god that "loves you" and does this.>>41273169people will come to this cause its logically explains false religion. Which there is plenty of, 100s of religions and the ecumenical movement wanted to say they all bring people to Christ/God. >you can enter heaven, so can you, and you. OMFG a war just broke out in heavenWe all know it is not going to be paradise with those people in it. They will turn it into Hell very fast.>>41273172sums up the church in a nutshell. They will never accept you and there is always need for constant correction. Their god will never get it right with you. You do not worship their fake Jesus and fake god.
>>41272786the purpose is to scare people on this Earth into following Earthly sociopaths.
>>41272786I don't believe in hell, but if it exists we're probably there now. We are all technically burning at the moment, just very slowly. It is a merciful hell, if so. Rather, it could be so much worse (or better, or both). Now as for why we're in hell I will defer to higher powers regarding that matter.
>>41272786What does it matter? If Christ came back from the dead, it's reasonable to assume the rest of the bible is true as well. You narrow it down to just that and make your choice. Humans will persist even after their death either way so you need a place to put them. You can't have them hanging around and fucking up the new kingdom on earth and they obviously can't go to heaven, so it's just dead nigger storage.
Because without fear of hell people would do bad things. It's an extra level of safety where Law would fail
>>41273983there's no way that this can be a real answer that you actually believe in.
The point is a blunt weapon to beat your enemies and subordinates with.Hell is an invention of weak men who want to wield power over their better.
>>41273999More or less. I have no idea what heaven and hell are like. But I know with 100% certainty that Jesus is real and that He was crucified and he was resurrected. I don't really need to see anything else. Why would anyone? I know that is the truth and the world is specifically designed to do everything possible to distract and pull you away from that truth. I don't know what happens to people that don't arrive to the truth. All I see are a lot of people engaging in transient bullshit that doesn't matter, and I have no doubt that in many cases their conscience is seared and they're a lost cause, morally. I don't know what happens to those people, that's not my problem. I don't even know what's going to happen to me, that doesn't figure into it. I don't follow Jesus because I expect to spend the afterlife some certain way, I do it cause it's the right thing to do.
>>41272976>I believe God will just destroy their soul and they will no longer existI think God loves us more than this. Imagine an incredibly loving, empathetic person, who was simply born into an atheist family. You think God doesn't value love for other souls above faith in His existence?
>>41272786>perpetualFirst things first.There are different sizes of Infinity.A soul doesn't go to hell for no reason, it actively have done so much shit in his/ger lifetime that the most loving solution is put it in a eternal punishment [the lesser [countable] infinity]Yes some souls can exist throughout SOME infinities.
>>41274081I was born into an atheist family and found Christ all the same so your argument doesnt work. The Shepard leaves the 99 to find the 1 missing sheep.
>>41272786The point of Hell is to induce a terrible fear in you so that I can completely control you, and your life you lead. You're going there very soon! And I have the Only Solution your wretched life and the Existential Dread that I projected onto you by preaching to you to get you to believe it, and accept my orthodox solution! There is an infallible book, assembled by a biased committee, that you must read! A Holey Book that was written by the Omni-God Himself, or at least inspired by the God who will send you there, but He is not to blame for being an absolute schizophrenic asshole - you are! Therefore, you must repent! You must kneel, you must genuflect, scrape, and beg and whimper, you must accept the ritual drowning, you must symbolically or literally eat His Flesh and drink His Blood and plead it to your enemies like I'm doing to you now, so that you can hide your true Evil nature from your newfound God that you found! God says It's All Your Fault! "For Power makes Pure as the Wind-driven Snow!" Or you can say NO and have a good life free from Right Christcuck FUD!!
>>41272786Love these threads, filled with ignorant idiots talking about stuff they do not understand.The reality is that we are already in hell.They removed 20+ gnostic books from the Bible that explained quite well, that we are already eternal sparks/souls trapped in a material body where you are constantly ruled by our desires.They removed those books because people who achieve gnossis (knowing) by reading that stuff, are no longer controlled by fear and stopped worked for Caesar.It is all a known fact.We are get trapped in hell to learn lessons and to learn to control our desires.Everything else is bullshit to make you a servant, a slave for the system.
Hell as an idea exists to scare you into not raping and murdering. It's that simple
>>41274683that's not what your jew book says lmaoyour dogma dictates all humans should go to hell BY DEFAULT since you have original sinthey can only escape hell by accepting the jesus chicken sacrifice
>>41276224It's a demagogical play on words. I'll ignore the blueprint of Jesus' story, which is identical to Mithras, Hiram abiff, Osiris, and many other "god's" cultures have worshipped throughout the ages.The real gnostic blackpill is that we are already trapped in hell, we are eternal souls trapped in a human body temporarily.But that story is blocked from history because it ruins the slave system of the masters, where you have to work hard and be good and other stupid shit like that so you would be useful to them so they wouldn't have to work themselves.
