I have been trying to get into the zone recently with AP, and have been failing, but getting closer and closer with my attempts to exit the body. However there have been many drawbacks and obstacles that I have and many other people have probably experienced while trying to attain the perfect state of calm.Common problems include-1: Random itching on the legs and feet that screams at the mind to scratch while trying to stay perfectly stillMitigation: Scratch legs in advance before settling in bed2: Invasive feelings that some sort of presence is trying to enter the body through sensitive areas, soles of feet, belly button, armpits, back of knees etc. and cause discomfort or tension to break meditative statesMitigation: Pillowfort under arms or over stomach to provide placebo of safety3: Unbearable intrusive thoughts that break any coherency when trying to recite mantras or intents to astral projectMitigation: Concentration and conscious attempt to hold onto mantra4: Fast heartbeat when the previous three problems are successfully mitigated preventing my consciousness from slipping out of the bodyMitigation: None5: A sudden "switch" being pulled with my mind shutting off and being taken into deep sleepMitigation: NoneWhat are some problems that anyone else here experiences when trying to AP? If so, what are they and how do you deal with mitigating/canceling them out? If you have successfully projected, what are the checklists you go through to try and get into the zone for setting yourself up to nominally project? How do you deal or cope with actively fighting to stay in a zen state while retaining consciousness?
It depends on the approach, fren. I've had success with the WUBTB method, so my troubles are:1. Can't sleep again after waking up. Fatigue carried over to the next nights.2. Wake up but fully awake and in my body, already moving, somehow missed the 30 second window. Forget to try anyway.3. Don't miss the window but I won't simply separate. Sticky.4. Bad environment or too tired by life/work/family/previous failures, black out for the night.5. Lack of faith: managed two AP events, but still not sure it's just lucid dreaming with somewhat realistic scenery. 6. Fear: believe it or not, I'm not at all OK with the idea of exploring the "other side" of my old house in the night.Two nights ago I managed to WUBTB all right, but got sticky when waking up, wound up dreaming that I was AP, only I was someone else in another place. This last night environment prevented me to sleep before 4AM. And so on.I keep trying. Great thread, anon. Thanks.
BTW, I'm working on an Arduino gig that will sense REM from my eye movement, and wake me up. Currently working on safe pressure sensors for the eyelids (conductive foam?). Trying to perfectly time the wake up timing. There must be a scientific, repeatable approach.
The only thing stopping you from astral projecting is fear. Conversely, the closer to the limit of fear you push, the more easily you will exit your body. Meditation is the key. It modulates the amygdala preventing those sudden fear responses that wake you up. You need to find the sweet spot between too much fear and too little. If you meditate too much, you will experience insomnia, dissociation and panic attacks. If too little, you will simply not project. If you're not projecting, meditate longer. Over time and with consistency, your brain will change and there will be less fear.The first OBE will likely be spontaneous. You will wake up and feel lighter but you will not be sure whether you're awake or in a dream. Just get up anyway and do whatever you planned to do.
>>41276278Plenty of times I get separated but it last shortly and nothing happens later I get awake
