Discuss all buddhism related topics.Tengrism/Taoism/Bon welcome. Jewish desert war religions that preach cutting off your pee pee skin not welcome. Please stay in your designated threads.
>>41294799Brahma worshiper praticed circumcition before jews
>>41294799Only few people understand it.Even many 'buddhists' in Asia worship the Buddha like a deity.
>>41294831Wrong. Brahma as a creator God is not a buddhist concept either. Buddha does not believe that deities are creators, rather, they are also a part of the same cycle of rebirth. They die, get reincarnated as lesser or higher beings depending on their actions.
>>41294799Nah, the /x/ crew is too stupid to engage with buddhism on a meaningful level.
>>41294799Question for those who may be able to offer some insight into this. Is Tengri a personification of the Tao/Parabrahman?
>>41294799Thanks for posting a Buddhism thread I regularly check the board for them. Anyone think the "many worlds" in the Lotus Sutra are alien planets?The Vimalakirti Sutra also talks about beings who learn the Dharma thru scent rather than language but it's not clear if it's aliens or interdimensional.
>>41294866The Avatamsaka Sutra also talks about Samantabadra under the title Universally Good, and about siddhis which allow you to be present everywhere. But I'm not sure how literally to take it.
is Dzogchen really the GOAT buddhist sect\set of teachings? or is it just equivalent to other esoteric lineages (top level)? Such as; Shingon, Highest Yoga Tantra in normal tibetan vajrayana, etc
Recommended Reading for each major branch:Dhammapada(theravada)Bodhicaryavatara(Mahayana)Bardo Thodol(Vajrayana)
God i love buddhism so much'ate mara'hate clingingluv me metta suttaluv me angulimala suttalove me turning the wheel of dhamma suttaluv me paranibbana suttanibbanabrexit means nibbanabrexit.simple as.
bumping with some Nichiren Shu (not shoshu) altars.
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>>41294799Can you still enter Nirvana after attaining Buddhahood or are the paths mutually exclusive?
>>41295142ntaIn buddhist philosophy the state of enlightenment means no-self. You're consciousness/mind but without a self/ego. So there is no (you) any more that could like or dislike something, or want to be somewhere.
I feel very torn between Pure Land and Theravada. Pure Land practice appeals to me because of its simplicity, but sometimes it feels too simple like a shortcut.
>>41295142There's only one path it's the Single VehicleAlso the Mahaparinirvana Sutra sects no distinction between the Buddha and his Nirvana, at least on my reading
>>41295176Sets
>>41295172There is no difference between the two
>>41294799>all buddhism related topicsLike Adi Shankara Acarya refuting buddhist ideas already more than 2500 years ago? Or that siddhartha gautama himself said his movement's life had been cut thousand years shorter when he made his wife and kid into monks? Are those topics on topic?
>>41295991Back to pol
You’re right to point out that the difference between “not‑self” and “non‑self” / “no‑self” isn’t trivial: it reflects different interpretative choices and different emphases. In classical Buddhist scholarship, many hold that “not‑self” is more faithful to the original intent (as a via negativa) than “no‑self,” but in practice both are used. Below I’ll sketch out the nuance, show how scholars argue for one or the other, and point to key textual evidence.The nuance: via negativa and apophatic meaningThe idea of a via negativa (negative way) is that we describe something not by asserting what it is, but by stating what it is not. So translating anatta / anātman as “not‑self” highlights that the Buddha is denying that any given phenomenon is a self (or belongs to a self), rather than asserting a metaphysical doctrine “there is no self whatsoever.”“Not‑self” suggests a kind of functional or relational denial: “this is not mine, this is not me, this is not what I am.”“No‑self” or “non‑self” tends to sound more absolute, more metaphysical: “there is no (everlasting) self,” or “self does not exist.” That shifts the emphasis into a doctrine of negation or annihilation, which many interpreters think is a distortion or overextension of the original teaching.So yes: “not‑self” is more consistent with the Buddha’s own strategy of pointing out what is not self (e.g. the aggregates) and freeing one from misidentification, rather than positing a philosophical claim that “self doesn’t exist” in all senses.Given all of that, I lean toward “not‑self” as the better translation (or at least the safer, more precise one) when aiming for fidelity to the Buddha’s mode of teaching:
>>41296801>You’re right to point out that the difference between “not‑self” and “non‑self” / “no‑self” isn’t trivial:Its kind of a huge fucking deal that changes the entire meaning in enormous ways. From a nihilist death cult, to a soul-affirming life cult.
>>41296801>>41296853I love buddhism so much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNCUIWhG4Ck
https://youtu.be/DaLW4YIej3M
>>41294870>But I'm not sure how literally to take it.with enough energy potential, he thought to himself, you can go anywhere
>>41294930p-please don't ignore this important post.BTW Dzogchen ngondro is like 3 times larger\longer than normal tantric ngondro...so, it's NOT "bee yourself"; real Dzogchen is extremely hard work.
>>41296801Even if you take the Nirvana Sutra's doctrine of the Tathatagarba, no-Self makes more sense because Self is Void. Then again not-Self sounds more thus-like. Diamond Sutra also is more metaphysical and doesn't speak of thusness so no-Self makes sense there.
>>41294799>Jewish desert war religions that preach cutting off your pee pee skin not welcome. Please stay in your designated threads.your whole thread is now useless. you cant make a thread on the basis of hating another religion and "muh orientalism". at least abrahamnic religions believe in the soul, you prick
>>41298293>real Dzogchen isthe one that is transmitted directly. It doesn't matter if ngondro is 400 years long because transmission will occur at any of these points. Once you've knocked yourself out of your retardation, it doesn't really matter how many mantras you recited or how much mandalas you offered. Of course in worldly terms those things matter but neither worldly nor spiritual terms hold any weight
>>41298477>Christian >Doesn't follow the rulesMany such cases
>>41299063Most of the rules in that book are bad, of course no one follows them and its not a "sin" to not follow them.>gays bad bc leviticusleviticus also teaches animal sacrifice, useless argument>hate yourself and your own lifeSelf hatred unhealthy>world is evil bad place ruled by le ebil debilIts not perfect, but we do not live in a hell realm run by some devil tricking your mind.>"u r wretched sinner unworthy of love u must always constantly repent, spend all ur time in prayer, disagreeing w church means u go to hell, etc etc"The only good teaching in bible is the golden rule and every good religion teaches this. Bad teachings include:>end times>world ends "soon">everyone not christian goes to "hell"Running around threatening people with torture is not golden rule.I also do not believe in "demons" or evil spirits or "demon legal rights" etc etc. Churches teach so much fear based stuff I had to let go of christianity. Then they tell you "oh just fast more pray more read bible more more more". No...I will not let it completely take over everything in my life.Plus I have seen christians teach so much crazy shit.>uh demons uh shapeshifting werewolves le debil rule le earth>god gonna let nuclear wars happenNo I dont agree.>le satan alien invasion le satan ai u gotta fight le satan aliens fight uhh reptiliansIm not going to fight nonexistent imaginary entities.If I listened to every whacko christian prophecy it would be hell on earth. Im allowed to disagree w christian doom prophets. Every year some whacko christian doom prophet tells people the world will be destroyed and every year it doesnt happen.
Hail Tenger Etseg.
>>41294864Parabrahman is nirguna brahman, brahman without attributes, every person is a personification of it.
>>41299174Demons and ayylmaos, only exist in books, videogames, and peoples imaginations. They dont exist inside statues like superstitious christians have told me.They cannot hurt or help you.They dont have to be prayed to/prayed against, or cast out via rituals and excorcism. All that stuff is a waste of time.>got crystals in ur house? or buddah, or pictures that arent christian? thats "demons" and can "curse" u. oh yeah also "cursed" bibles and "cursed" this and that, u gotta throw all that stuff out and only have crosses in ur house and only listen to christian worship music>LE EVERYTHING IS LE DEMONS AND CURSED>Think thats insane and superstitous madness? well u just have a "demon" bro, pray harder read bible harder and tithe to our church or le "devil" will get youNo >bro if u disagree w whacko christian superstitions and end times prophecies, ur gonna go to hell/leading others to hell, FEAR THE LAWD FEAR FEAR HELL DEMONS DEVIL
>>41299211The soul of the christoschizo fundie:>LE DEVIL RULES LE EARTH>IF ITS ANYTHING FROM ANY RELIGION BUT CHRISTIANITY, ITS CURSED>CHRISTMAS TREES? DEVIL DEMONS>WORLD ENDING SOON U GOTTA FEAR THE LAWD AGREE W US OR UR GONNA GO TO HELL>DONT AGREE? WELL U GOT A DEMON BRO>FEAR FEAR FEAR THE DEVIL RUNS THE WORLD WAR WAR WORLD ENDING IN CATASTROPHES >DONT AGREE WITH OUR SELF INVENTED HELL ON EARTH CONCEPT?>U R ALSO A DEMON>BE ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED OF GOD IF U DISAGREE W OUR BELIEF THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO TO HELL >FEAR FEAR FEAR and these people, lacking any self awareness, do not understand why they are not taken seriously, trusted, and are dislikedBasically they turn "god" into some evil insane monster tyrant who hates everyone and everything and will kill and destroy and torture everything and everyone but their weird little church cult.
>>41299211>>41299237Somehow managed to make yourself look even more unhinged than the people you wanted to ridicule. Have a (You).
>>41299174>>41299211Again the greentext spamming and seething at christianity and abrahamic religions kek you're so sad and clearly consumed with fear and anger that's where your rhetorical obsession with "fear" comes from. Its clear that some wound is open there and you choose 4chan as a coping mechanism to spill your hate. Repent, man, seriously. If you keep in this path and your time comes, don't dare to say that you didn't know or you that you thought they were trying to make you scared and take your "power" away, cause like you said many times, you're not a slave, right? Kek
>>41299211>>41299237Oh btw you know what I noticed about the people who were telling me this?They love to abuse children and tend to forgive child abusers.So to the evil deranged christofundie scumbag cult leader:>statues of other religions? DEMONS>Beating and abusing our kids and forgiving child fucker pastors?>well uhh the lawd forgives the worst sinners judge not lest ye be judged hehehe>oh u think we arent to be trusted?>"UR GONNA GO TO HELL/UR LEADING OTHERS TO HELL">NO U MUST BE TERRORIZED BY OUR "LORD AND MASTER JESUS" FORGIVE US FOR FUCKING KIDS OBEY OBEY OBEY USyeah i know how cults operate
are dzogchen ordained or more like "mad wise" tantric-hermits? I ask because they have beard and hair, whilst monastic by rule and definition must be 100% clean shaven--even eyebrows i think
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>>41299260>>41299251>statues evil demons ook ook>wrong bible? HELL HELL FEAR THE LAWD>pedo priests? well r lawd forgives le worst sinners hehehehe>dont trust us for using weak torture threats and demons as a mind control weapon while we forgive child fuckers in our churches?>correct religious doctrine far more important than us abusing kids>oh disagree? ur unhinged! u hate "god", " FEAR FEAR FEAR GOD FEAR US OBEY OBEY DEMONS HELL HELL HELL"The christgolem is immune to all forms of criticism. But call him a useless superstitious cult leader who thinks his magic book matters more than the truth that they fuck kids and he will start manifesting his own "demon".
>Dzogchenpa Karma Rinpoche, who attained the Small Rainbow Body>This photo shows Lama Karma’s body just after passing away. His body size was about 175cm (approx. 5’9”) tall>Dzogchen Lama Karma Rinpoche passed away on the 11th of November, 2013. He lived in retreat near Dzogchen Monastery in Eastern Tibet. After his passing his physical body dramatically shrunk in size. Lama Karma’s body was about 175cm (approx. 5’9”) tall, but two weeks after he passed away, his seated body has now shrunk to about 20cm (approx. 8”), which means his body, including his skeleton, shrank nearly 80%. According to Dzogchen tantra, this kind of miraculous display shows he has attained the Small Rainbow Body or Jalü Phowa Chung ('ja' lus 'pho ba chung), which is a sign that he has attained the supreme accomplishment of Buddha in this very life.
>>41299260>forgive child abusing cult leaders>statues of other religions are more evil than child abusing cult leaders>disagree? HELL HELL HELL FEAR THE LAWD, ALL HAVE SINNED>disagree? U have an evil spirit that we invented, u must pray harder, read bible more, or else r "lord" will punish u
>>41299260Based movie
>u r "unhinged, mentally ill, demonic" for not believing statues have demons in them or are cursed>dont trust, respect the authority of, or forgive child abusing priests?>dont believe the world will end in armageddon wars?>DEMON DEMON DEMON HELLBOUND SINNER DEMON DEMON FEAR THE LAWD
>>41299344Christgolemry moral mass delusion:>statues? videogames? music? friends w atheists, or people not in christgolem cult?>EVIL, DEMONIC, U WORTHLESS SINNER>child fucking priests>uhhhh uhhh "all have sinned" just forgive those people>armageddon wars, end times delusions, fight the reptilians and le evil satan super ai!>dont like or trust these people much?>DEMON DEMON HELL HELL HELL>hell for thee but not for me!
>>41299344>>41299375Not even religious but my god you're cringe stop spamming faggot
>>41299304well, where's the picture of him 20cm tall?that said, I fully believe rainbow body achievement is realI've experienced some shit
>>41299375There is a reason people claim christgolem fundies worship satan, they act no better than satanists.>how dare u accuse christgolem fundie cult of being filled w superstitious child abusers? >dont trust us? DEMON DEMON HELL HELL>be TERRIFIED of our LAWD
>>41298305>Mahayana texts>no-Self makes sense there.
OP I will not hold water for the christians but you were kinda asking for the thread to be raided by them by mentioning them at all. you have to treat them like they aren't there or they will shit up everything with their useless hate-filled circular arguments. namo buddhaya
>>41299211"Demons" are real, they're predatory spirits/entities preying on humans life force (chi, prana, loosh etc.)The spiritually weak are easier targets who give into negativity and temptation like fear, egotism, hate and unwholesome behavior = sin, evil, morally bad. That's why we should develop our spiritual strength practicing meditation and such.
>>41299880Theres only one anti christian dude spamming the thread with green text though
>>41299413cringe
Buddhisty stuff owns, love the dao de jing and even old hindu works. Some if it is retarded or too dense because I don't know terminology. Pretty easy to take what works, discard what doesn't. Lately been reading bhagavad gita again, I feel like I see something new every time. I also listen to alan watts regularly. I am no elite buddhist scholar, I just get home from work and wanna casually philosophize sometimes for an hour or two. Any recommendations which are relatable and not for made for brahmins?
>>41294799my logically sound argument is, that buddhism is monotheistic, implied by the 4 noble truths:dukkha (suffering) is innate.its cause is due to (seemingly!) all pervading impermanence ("nothing is permanent").the attachment to impermanent things can be severed (cessation), through the noble eightfold path, leading to "release from dukkha".enlightenment is said to be eternal.and these two previous paragraphs together imply:God. how? simple:if enlightenment is eternal, then not all things are impermanent. there is at least one thing that is permanent.now, the nifty part is, what actually is enlightenment. in its truest sense, it is cessation (nirvana). no-thing-ness. nothing. void. emptiness.but these words have been perversely understood. its not a nothingburger... its a smart "i will shut my mouth and not talk about it, because its beyond speech or intellect" type of thing. i.e. it is the ineffable.different flavours of religions refer to it differently. some say God. others the ineffable. others the void. some call it the "fullness".give this a short listen (if timestamp is not working - from 51:00 to 53:20, especially the last couple seconds):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPtHCCT1SZM&t=3060snon-duality is the closest approximation of the truth. which flavour of non-dual religious framework you use, does not matter (zen buddhism, advaita vedanta, kashmir shaivism, sufism, etc.)there is no duality and multiplicities of dualities (digital simulation), but actually, onle absolute unity! duality is an illusion within it. it's its nature.
>>41294799Buddha abandoned the religion of his ancestors and sold his son into slavery to become Buddha. It's a slave religion>be nonviolent and passively allow the state to ass rape you into eternal poverty and servitudeSame with Christianity
>>41301431Low effort bait
>>41301362The existence of an ineffable unconditioned/permanent state of being or ground of being doesn't seem like the sort of thing that should be immediately conflated with God. Does the unconditioned ground of being have agency? Does it have a specific personality and will? Is it all-powerful? Is it all-knowing? Is it responsible for the creation of the universe? I think most Buddhism would say no to that and other questions along those lines. If it didn't, then Buddhism falls prey to to Epicurean paradox even harder than Christianity, because the Buddha definitely wants to put a stop to suffering flat out. And IIRC every instance in the Buddhist mythos where some sentient being thinks they're the all-powerful, all-knowing creator or whatever they're revealed to be mistaken.
>>41301568Traditional Buddhism says that there is no such thing as a god because all things are impermanent and temporary. On a deeper level, the lack of deity worship is meant to reflect how the Buddha came to the understanding that deity worship was still selfishly rooted in the Ego. If you worship a deity, you are perpetuating suffering. Eternalism does not free you from Samsara, but it keeps you trapped in a cage while everyone calls it freedom.Contemporary/modern Buddhism does expand on the idea of "no gods" - instead it says "we don't know if a god exists, and we don't know if a god doesn't exist, so let us be kind regardless of what happens."
>>41301362Have you read up on Gnosticism or Kabbalah? I'm glad someone else has come to a similar conclusion, although I wouldn't call it "God" in the sense that it is a deity, but Nirvana is clearly one and the same as the Monad/The Source/the One/Ein Sof/the Dao.
I keep getting imaginations of a field of Lotus Sitting Figures all being Gods of their own Dream Worlds.Can anyone tell me if this seems recognizable?
>>41302434That sounds like a generic description of a Buddha field/pure land. Work with this visualization and see how far you can extend it.
>>41302304There are plenty of gods and higher beings, some fancy themselves creators, but they're still in Samsara and thus impermanent, even if they exist as gods for a billion years. They have not blown out the flame of desire, attachment and clinging.One could argue it's even harder to liberate yourself from Samsara if you live in the grand illusion of being a God. Humans have a natural tendency to personify deity which create dualism and separation. That's sort of the crux of the problem. To fully understand and define "God" intellectually isn't really possible, but we can get a glimpse of it through mystical experiences.
How is tengrism related to buddhism?
>>41302347>I wouldn't call it "God" in the sense that it is a deitythat is the issue - nomenclature.the word "God" is conflated with the word "god". but these two are completely different things.people mistake "God" (the permanent, the void, the pristine undifferentiated ground of being) as just some other "god" (created being, an illusion, just like you and me).thus they also conflate "deity worship" with "God worship".but yeah, it sucks that people are throwing the baby out with the bathwater, because of that."God" is not a creature, is not imaginable, can not be spoken of in truth, escapes all that we are equipped mundanely (it does not escape us fully, we have higher, atrophied faculties, which can be brought back online, with which we can paradoxically perceive God, in truth; if we could never ponder God, religion would not exist; there is a way).God is all there is and other than it, there is nothing. all that seems to be, is within it or an illusion within it.like a dreamer and the dream. the dream is an illusion. the dreamer is the absolute reality.ps: my position regarding polytheism is that believing in one "God" and multiple "gods" is still monotheism. you could substitute "gods" with just mighty beings (angels, aliens, kings). its the same thing. creatures in control. but these are the content of the dream, i consider the whole dream an illusion.
>>41298293>>41298741Maybe the real Dzogchen are the friends we made along the way.
>>41294799I met the incarnation of OP pic rel. (Yamantaka) 2 mths ago. Ama.
>>41302509Thank you
>>41304180Please describe the exact method you performed to contact them, also, what did you discuss with them and what was the most important thing they said to you?
>>41303755>the word "God" is conflated with the word "god"Huh, I wonder why.>"God" (the permanent, the void, the pristine undifferentiated ground of being)>God is all there is>believing in one "God" and multiple "gods" is still monotheism.Smearing the meanings of words is throwing out the baby (anyone understanding what you mean) with the bathwater imo. But then maybe I could be accused of doing the same with my preference to think of Buddhism as atheistic when I admit that it believes in "gods" of a sort (the devas). I guess I have a wholesale aversion to the associations of the label "God" to the point where I'd rather remove it from everything, while it seems like many other people find the associations so appealing that they'd rather extend the label to include whatever is the center of their evolving spirituality (or something like that). But still I think it's better to err on the side of having more distinct concepts than fewer distinct concepts.
>>41304359It was irl, in china. He is recognized by the sangha as being the reincarnation of yamantaka. He's super difficult to visit and the gov watches him like a hawk.His energy is intense. As soon as you enter the room with him, it is as if you are on fire internally. He gave me some kind of direct experience in my heart. Hard to explain but it answered a question I had for a while about existential balance between emptiness and form and how they're inseperable and the same, and about intensity of what we call love, but love is a relative term and limited but still the ultimate in terms of it's relativity to us because it provides a gateway to what is beyond (if we can even call it that) dual and non-dual.He also said something like realization is like the point between the sky and the mountain peak. Anyway, was pretty cool, but he said to practice Theravada, then Mahayana , then vajrayana practice and wouldn't ordain people unless they had a great relationship with their spouse/family and that they were okay with the person ordaining.
>>41294799Is it possible that Buddha and Yehuda are the same word with linguistic shift? Djedi -> Yehuda -> Buddha?
>>41299180What's praxis like for you? I have this little fantasy of a regenerated faith and connection with past beliefs and practices with local spirits and maybe gods as Islam is losing support among the younger gens in Turkiye, but I think that would only be possible if our 'shamans' had genuine connection to those spirits/gods in the first place. A Tengrism larp reconstruction, more ideological than substantial, is bound to fail.
>>41304611>The word Buddha comes from the Sanskrit root √budh (“to wake up, to know”). Thus it literally means “the awakened one” or “the enlightened one”
Where the fuck k do I start with buddhism
>>41305941Listen to Alan Watts
>>41305941https://youtu.be/NS5CYMGDMKY
>>41305975NTA, this parable of his sounds so amazing;https://youtu.be/Td4qmV04jU0How could this even be interpreted as Buddhism? This makes it seem like there is a comfy self between singular perspective shift play runs.
>>41306426I recommend -listening- to Mr. Watts. Cherry-picked out of context often fails most things. Listening is spending time following his thoughts across one of his long lectures and walking away from it with some thoughts of your own. Some are even clearly titled to be about specific eastern topics. Other platforms have the full talks.
>>41303705Bön can be viewed as a sister religion to both Buddhism (Vajrayana specifically) and Tengrism. The relationship is not a direct one, but in places like Mongolia and Buryatia the practices are often intertwined.
>>41294799what's up with that monk who does ama here occasionally, is he legit?
>>41299260I’m not a christcuck or did I read your post or who you are responding too but that movie and quote is awesome. Virtue is never convenient, that’s why they are called virtues to begin with.
>>41299847Spit it out
>>41300683Lotus Sutra is quintessentially good and some people think it's all you need to reach Enlightenment. Diamond Sutra if you like metaphysics (it's really short)
>>41301362Well I can say a lot about this. I have an interpretation of tongues charism from when I was Christian and when I hear "Tathagata" chanted in Sanskrit, it used to sound like "Triune God."Your insight into Ultimate Reality is apt because the Nirvana Sutra says the Tathagata is Eternal and beyond change. He doesn't even cause anything because he's immutable. And to your point, Sufis who believe in an absolute Unity of Self and Godhead (this is very Ancient, like Atman/Brahman), are pretty close to the teaching of no individuality from the Diamond Sutra (but the latter denies a Universal Mind-Self), or Indra's net from the Avatamsaka Sutra. But I actually learned something today, and it took a great deal of merit to achieve, and after reading your post I think it's perhaps meant for you. In the West, not to mention Christianity, "Being" is masculine and unitary, and when you talk about God you seem to have Being in Mind. This could even be seen as colonialist or imperialist, even misogynistic, for the following reason:The concept of Being is not free from Duality. Maybe Allah has it with "free of attributes," but Being as Such is (getting to the point) the worship of Yang. In Buddhism everything is Source or Mu, and masculine language can't pick out the properties of things in their inherent self-natures. This actually comes from the Tao. Anon mentioned Alan Watts, and he sums it up well. According to Taoists, Western knowledge is all conventional symbolism.I said the Western God-Being is all Yang. Not to beg the question, but this completely misunderstands the Tao. Everyone knows in wu-wei you go with the "flow."The ontological principle here is that yin (supple) conquers yang (rigid). This is why conventional symbols cannot capture True Reality. It comes from the Tao.So if you think God or Being is this sacred thrust of Yang, this masculine Creator Principle is set to be Dispatched. Because yin conquers yang, the Tao is older than God.
What is the best sutra I could read? I've read the heart sutra and thought it was fantastic.
Re-uploading.I draw Buddhist artwork, it's a work of passion.
I can't participate in buddhism, because I'm a incel. So there will always be hate in my heart.
>>41315067That's why you meditate on a mantra or the breath, instead of focusing on your hatred.
Please post the absolute earliest written attestations to the life of Siddhartha Gautama and his teachings. Include only those that account for the full life of the Buddha (with all generally accepted miraculous occurrences), his teachings regarding the Four Noble Truths, Eightfold Path, and Triple Refuge, his understanding of Karma and Dependant Originiation, his instructions regarding monastic life, and his instructions regarding non-monastic life (if this was even thought of as a potential path to Nibana within his original teachings).
>>41315730Suttanipata and Dhammapada are the earliest as far as I remember. The Buddhacarita has a lot of legendary stuff and is not regarded as canonical by many schools, it is however very popular biography of Siddharta Gotama.
>>41304418your aversion is quickly dismantled - people who are anti-authority (God > me) are easily convinced with one fact:you are that "God".there is another thread where a guy talks about solipsism being true. he is right.only the "I" exists and is permanent. but this "I" is beyond the ego, that which you perceive as "self".the hindus refer to it the "Higher Self" or the "True Self". it is that which remains when you cut away all things that you can cut away, starting with the 5th skandha going all the way to the innermost 1st.when all is gone, there is that "void".that is you.other than you, nothing exists.but this "you" is also the "me".we are not a multiplicity (basis in duality) but an absolute unity (non-dual) => basis of the golden rule!there are implications to this and some don't like that:you are beyond any authority. beyond any laws etc. and beyond all judgement.but the "you" i used in my previous sentences, is not the ego bound, incarnate, limited, evil you. its the absolute you. this was the "good news" in the christian faith, until it was watered down so hard, that it became unrecognizable: the Father and you are one, not two - the mind of Christ, the mystery of godliness.you gotto keep your self in check for the sake of harmony (to live peacefully with others), so that life does not get in the way of the goal of life: apotheosis/enlightenment/moksha/liberation/salvation.and the key to that is sexual sublimation: celibacy, prostrations, neidan, internal transmutation (jing/cristos->chi->shen) until the immortal fetus is birthed.you find this formula hidden in all religions, in christendom the cristos led up the 33 vertebrates of the spine into your gologhta (skull), in hinduism is the kundalini metaphor, in buddhism buddha at the base of the tree (also representing the spine).islam has the most potent variant and sufism has produced the most liberated people over time.but regardless, the transformation is secular, like puberty
>>41317844ps: this is also how significant "know thyself" is.the "self" that is in question, is not your mundane self. it is that which is beyond intellect and speech. it is the ineffable.its like a zen paradox (like a tongue twister, but for the mind): its asking you to know the unknowable.but it IS possible, because YOU are the unknowable! and all things are possible for YOU!you are beyond classification, beyond grasp, no one can tame you, no concept can capture you. not talking about the limited you here.you have limited yourself into these innumerable beings and with the limiting, have become less, in virtue and intellect, i.e. you have become evil and ignorant.i am not talking about the evil/imperfect guy.im talking about you.when you lose your body/mind/sou/spirit and then take another form again with all the skandhas - i.e. when the "isness" or the nothingness, the great abys, the void spontaneously (causeless cause) emits existences into being.it is part of its movements and there is no way of explaining it. its paradoxical, but this is how deep the saints could penetrate and bring back as paradoxical wisdom, best approximated with poetry.people like lao tzu or rumi were poets.heck, the tao te ching starts with:"The Tao that can be trodden is not the enduring andunchanging Tao. The name that can be named is not the enduring andunchanging name."yet the writer continues to try to "name" the Tao with countless verses that follow, or describe the indescribable.the zen masters also employ a mechanism with which the impossible can be achieved.this is the domain of beyond-logic. its not illogical ("ill"), its super logical to the point that our limited reasoning faculty can not make sense of it. so it has to be bypassed and grasped directly, there is a higher faculty that can do "direct knowing" (i forgot its name...)this knowledge is perfect and is not arrived at with steps, but instantly. and it is beyond dispute or logical questioning.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R6ILe1qV-E
>>41312792Thanks mate =)I really like Zen Flesh, Zen Bones which is a compilation. You can read most of it here:https://www.101zenstories.info/p/1-cup-of-tea.html>Nan-In, a master during the Meiji era,received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.Nan-In served tea. He poured his visitor’s cup full, and then kept on pouring.The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. >“It is overfull. No more will go in!”>“Like this cup,” Nan-In said, “you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?”
>>41323064I get it. I see now.You have to fill up the cup to the max and then never stop pouring.
Had A Question concerning Buddhist Cosmological Maps, like Pic Related. Is it Literal or Metaphorical? I dont know its just whenever I see maps like this I get excited thinking im going to utilize it to “traverse” the area depicted. but then i learn that only super advanced practitioners can navigate these realms and i get discouraged.
>>41325423>Is it Literal or Metaphorical?This dichotomy is meaningless from a Buddhist perspective. If by literal you mean, are these 'real', empirically positive measurable spaces with Cartesian X-Y coordinates, then (probably) no. If by metaphorical you mean is this just entirely made up and doesn't map to any possible phenomena whatsoever, then also no. But to answer you more colloquially, yes, these are places that you can access according to most Buddhist traditionshttps://encyclopediaofbuddhism.org/wiki/R%C5%ABpadh%C4%81tuhttps://encyclopediaofbuddhism.org/wiki/Deva_realms_of_the_k%C4%81madh%C4%81tu
how to defeat lust?
>>41325920You dont, It Defeats you, speaking from personal experience yes I am coping.
>>41325920Mindfulness of the 5 aggregates when excited with lust. Also, I don't think canonically metta is considered a 1:1 antidote to lust, but I find that if I'm having lustful thoughts about a specific person if I cultivate metta towards them that lust subsides. Lust is a very stressed and contracted emotion and feeling, metta is expansive and relaxed.
>>41294845yeah, wild.why do people today, who weren't brought up in buddhist families, try to see buddhism as a religion? or believe the metaphysical bullshit?it's clear there is a path and right effort to exert, but do people just want bells and whistles like actual brahmas, hells, rebirths?
>>41326345BASED metta practicionermetta changed my life for the better
>>41328894Because it is a religion and it is filled with religious and fantastical elements. You are correct to differentiate it from monotheistic religions and point out that Buddha is not God, but to secularize it completely is misguided in my opinion. Even if you're a Pali Cannon purist, it has numerous references to deities, psychic powers, other realms, and of course reincarnation. However, the buddha himself said that the point of the practice is not to get distracted by these things.
>>41329017it feels to me all this fluff was just cultural baggage so wider hinduists would swallow it. or the buddha didn't know better about some material phenomena, called them higher worlds for puthujjanas and called it a day.i know there is mental territory to traverse, there is internal magic to perform with your brain, but stripping the modern version clean of the implication that it's anything but mental would make the whole hobby less prone to grifting desperate people for money with mysticism.
>>41329068Whatever floats your boat, but legitimate lineages that have transmitted the Dharma and keeping the tradition alive today don't think so. If you want to interface with the living tradition or even look at modern Buddhist anthropology/hermeneutics your secularized western lenses will get in the way. It's funny that you cast the "fluff" as cultural baggage, and not your own cosmological and metaphysical bias as your own cultural baggage.
>>41329145i preemptively decided not to call myself buddhist to sidestep the issue of feeling a need to believe this or that.i just buy into the practice aspect, which is noble, in my own ways marked by 3 poisons.and i avoid personality cults, devotion, complete faith in teachers, even if it ends up being a slower path. fear of the bad parts of religious enterprise warps me so.
>>41329195I mean that's fine, the Buddha himself said to not have blind faith, but to verify in your own experience whether what he said was true or not. And I can't blame you for being cautions and skeptical about religiosity, Buddhism is not exempt from charlatanry and abuse. There is a lot of "buddhist" religious bullshit going on in the world as well. Each to their own path. However, I believe it is possible to interface with the religion "as it is" while still being skeptical and not completely abandoning our current understanding of what's reasonable and what is not, but it is not easy and requires a lot of diligence and self-education.
>>41329017>deities, psychic powers, other realms,It's reality. Practically every religion or spiritual lineage speak of these things in one shape of the other.
>>41329017>However, the buddha himself said that the point of the practice is not to get distracted by these things.Extremely important part
Siddhartha: guys it's actually kinda simple, forget all that old dumb crap and just do these few things and really work at it.Buddha fanboy fanfics:40 layers of hell and 40 layers of heaven and within each layer are 16 gods and I know each god's name, and I have read the interpretation of guru Buddhibrudda and I agree with him but guru Buddhidumma is obviously a charlatan and I want to impress other buddhaboos with my esoteric encyclopedic knowledge which has zero practical implications to improve my daily life.
>>41301362>now, the nifty part is, what actually is enlightenment. in its truest sense, it is cessation (nirvana). no-thing-ness. nothing. void. emptiness.>but these words have been perversely understood. its not a nothingburger... its a smart "i will shut my mouth and not talk about it, because its beyond speech or intellect" type of thing. i.e. it is the ineffable.you should shut your whore mouth talking about shit you have no clue about
>>41315730>the buddhathere's many many buddhasof which siddartha is one
>>41325920>how to defeat lust?from a pragmatic perspective, consider the cost to generate the fluidsremember that kid that beat his meat like 26 times in a day and had a heart attack and died?run out of certain ingredients and functions decreasealways burning off the cream of the crop of your essence degrades the quality of essencebe thankful you're not a fish and get one orgasm and you die from itno opportunity to learn there
>>41326345>Also, I don't think canonically metta is considered a 1:1 antidote to lust, but I find that if I'm having lustful thoughts about a specific person if I cultivate metta towards them that lust subsides. Lust is a very stressed and contracted emotion and feeling, metta is expansive and relaxed.this is why ideally yabyum is done with the man in full lotus so that the energy doesnt get too sexual and rises to the heart insteadtcm says the uterus is connected to the heart, and so is the prostatestay focused on sex and the energy never rises to the heart
>>41330948"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication"
>>41299271>whilst monastic by rule and definition Those rules have never actually been consistent between buddhist sects. To the point that an incredibly famous and influential temple's monks have historically eaten meat,drunken alcohol and waged war as a mercenary army.
>>41295991>Like Adi Shankara Acarya refuting buddhist ideas already more than 2500 years ago?
>>41314731Lankavatara
>>41294864Tengri is the sky god from mongolian shamanism, when buddhism became popular in mongolia they mixed it with their traditional shamanism and kept some of their original beliefs, kind of like how when Mexico became catholic a lot of their folk figures got converted into priests.
None of you are realized or know anything about the Dharmakaya. Your intellectual knowledge is only useful for entertaining yourselves with discussions and debates; you achieve nothing but anger here. Actually attaining the aim of the Buddha's teaching is meditating on the profound meaning of emptiness - and then meditating on emptiness itself - and then not meditating at all while still meditating; then that's the samadhi of enlightenment, which has nothing to do with doctrines or with "Buddha" at all. I take refuge on the True Buddha, which is beyond any concepts and any teachings and any ideas of Buddhas and entities.
>>41294870lovely scents opens the parasympathic nervous system
I still don't understand how anatta and reincarnation make sense. What exactly is reincarnating if we don't have souls?
>>41335906Are you the same person you were 10 years ago? Yes, but also no, right? proabably 90% of the cells in your body are different, but you have the same name, roughly same shape, same opinions maybe. What exactly is the through line between 10 years ago and now, is going to be a similar answer. also look into ian stevenson's 20 cases suggestive of reincarnation for a clinical scientific approach that sheds light on your exact question
>>41335370>Actually attaining the aim of the Buddha's teaching is meditating on the profound meaning of emptiness - and then meditating on emptiness itselfthere is nothing intellectual about this processthinking, thoughtforms, meditating "on" something aka contemplating...are all anti samahdi actionssamahdi cannot occur if those things are taking placebut you'd know this if you achieved these things
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>>41337102So there's no thought in the Abode of Immeasurable Meanings?
>>41335906Your mindstream, your sense of self-clinging. What you believe you are now. Your incorrect perception of the 5 aggregates. Which is why unintentional samsaric reincarnation stops upon liberation.
>>41339105>Their minds, silent and meditative, are constantly in samādhi, peaceful, reserved, asaṁskṛta, and free from desire. Inverted thoughts and perceptions no longer arise. Silent, lucid, profound, and vast, their minds can remain still for 100,000 koṭi kalpas, as innumerable Dharma Doors are all present before them. Having unfolded great wisdom and penetrated all dharmas, they understand the true reality of dharmas, which, differentiated by their natures and appearances, clearly manifest as existence or nonexistence, long or short. Moreover, they are adept in identifying the capacities, natures, and desires of sentient beings. Equipped with dhāraṇīs and unimpeded eloquence, they always request Buddhas to turn the Dharma wheel.of course there is no thoughtsamahdi is free of thought, but full of awareness
>>41296801Did they used to worship cars? And over time, they became disconnected from what the symbols are?
>>41342235>The Buddhist feet symbol, known as the Buddhapada, symbolizes the physical and spiritual presence of the Buddha. These footprints are often marked with symbols like the Dharmachakra (wheel of law) in the center of the sole, the Triratna (Three Jewels) on the big toe, and swastikas on the other toes, representing the Buddha's teachings, enlightenment, and auspiciousness. Reverence is shown by bowing to these symbols as a way to acknowledge the Buddha's path to enlightenment. >The footprints represent the physical presence of the Buddha and the spiritual path he left behind for others to follow. >There are different designs of the Buddhist dharmachakra with 8, 12, 24 or more spokes. In different Buddhist traditions, the different number of spokes may represent different aspects of the Buddha's Dharma (teaching). In the Indo-Tibetan Buddhist tradition for example, the 8 spoked wheel represents the noble eightfold path, and the hub, rim and spokes are also said to represent the three trainings (sila, prajña and samadhi).[20]>In Buddhism, the cyclical movement of a wheel is also used to symbolize the cyclical nature of life in the world (also referred to as the "wheel of samsara", samsara-chakra or the "wheel of becoming", bhava-cakra).[14] This wheel of suffering can be reversed or "turned" through the practice of the Buddhist path. The Buddhist terms for "suffering" (dukkha) and happiness (sukha) may also originally be related to the proper or improper fitting of wheels on a chariot's axle.[21] The Indo-Tibetan tradition has developed elaborate depictions called Bhavacakras which depict the many realms of rebirth in Buddhist cosmology.
>>41335370>None of you are realized or know anything about the Dharmakaya.
https://sacred-texts.com/bud/ipc/ipc05.htm>Tree and Serpent worship carried by the Phenicians everywhere—The religion of the Indian jungle—Baal in Palestine—The "Star of Chiun" (S’iva)—The Mahâdeos and Masseboth—Special blood-thirstiness of the Phenician Divinity—"Holy of Holies" of Jewish Temple, and "Sanctuary of the S’iva-Linga" in India.Shaivism replaced Buddhism. Buddhism is essentially tantric.
>>41295991To be fair there is a very fine line between void worship and satanism.
>>41295991seems more like jataka angutt and majjh were just incels or incapable of satisfying their woman>>41348304there is a massive difference between satanism and voidsatanism is a microscopic thing of short sighted rebellion, of whiney teenaged angels, confined to the relatively infantile gnosis sphere of earthsvoid is the birthplace of God and the first thing it annihilated into somethingnesswe_are_not_the_same.meme
>>41348419Your understanding of satanism is very primitive and dare i say even profane.
AnātmanVoidTantric practices that permeate BuddhismThe bottom line is that a practitioner can simply become possessed by an astral entity. While reality is still heavily veiled, we don't see possessed people, but before the Apocalypse, entities will begin to penetrate reality, and such individuals are literally vessels prepared for entry.All that's left is for Buddhists to openly worship the Abyss and that's it.
>>41348685>The bottom line is that a practitioner can simply become possessed by an astral entityYou can, but that's not Buddhism.
>>41294857It makes me wish there was a separate board for /lit/-level discussion of /x/ topics, but there'd be no way to enforce that and it would probably be immediately swarmed with retards posting about flat earth and succubus gfs.
>>41299237>>DONT AGREE? WELL U GOT A DEMON BROThat's the most frustrating part. Because Christian soteriology affirms that faith is only given through grace, that automatically would mean, from a Christian perspective, that any non-Christian's disbelief would itself be the will of God. Even synergistic soteriologies (Catholic, Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, Methodist) affirm that the ability to cooperate with grace is itself only provided through grace. So blaming it on demons makes no sense, especially because that itself implies that God did not provide the grace needed for someone to reject those demons (or did not provide the grace needed for someone to ask for God's help in rejecting those demons, and so on).
>>41350152I can't remember off the dome if there's a sutta that deals with possession but i feel like its not out of the questionThere are a lot of suttas that deal with spirits of various kinds, whether metaphorically or not. Most of the antogonist people in the suttas are not possessed though, like well known devadatta
>>41354385Sure, but whatever schizo-babble anon is on about Buddhists "worshiping the abyss" because of astral possession is nonsensical and reeks of trying to shoehorn Śūnyatā or Dharmakāya into whatever the current qlipothic pulp-fiction says about the (((void))).
>>41354436Quite.
why is buddhism filled with crazy, depressed, losers?
>>41355637People that aren't bothered just eat, sleep, and work without thinking about why. Not saying either is superior. Maybe we need both.
>>41351971get the fuck out of this thread with your off topic bullshit
>>41294799Nirvana is just ragequitting with grace. Samsara is continuing because you're too meta-aware to care, but not enough of a dick to leave.I unlocked the cheat code, saw the dev logs, and now I'm just bored. The game isn't fun when you're the only one who remembers the tutorial.Everyone else either loops in circles or griefs the map. And if you try fixing the server, they call you mad, sometimes I wish I was still dumb enough to think dying meant something.
>>41294799You know why they call it the Eastern Star right?Because all sorts of Mysteries and Devilry come from the East.
>>4133164690% Chance that Temple was in Tibet. Though I don't know school of Tibetan Buddhism it may come from. Shakya? Kagyu? It's probably not Gelug.Tibetan Buddhism is so very unique, compared to all the other Buddhisms.
>>41354436>trying to shoehorn Śūnyatā or Dharmakāya into whatever the current qlipothic pulp-fiction says about the (((void))).Those really are words you posted on 4chan alright.
>>41361732>Eastern StarSirius, aka star of Bethlehem and many more names.https://youtu.be/WtdRv6GT9Zg
>>41361759Tibetans prefer sexual misconducts and necromantic desecrations of corpses. Literal wars have started because of a past Dalai lama being too preoccupied with erotic poetry. The temple being referred to previously is probably the most famous buddhist temple in the world and claims to have recieved a super secret hidden teaching that has no connection to the sutras.
>>41348304Could you go further into this? Sounds interesting.
>Therefore, Mahamati, these Bodhisattva-Mahasattvas who wish, by following the Tathagatakaya, to realize it, should exercise themselves, in compliance with the truth of Mind-only, to desist from discriminating and reasoning erroneously on such notions as Skandhas, Dhatus, ayatanas, thought, causation, deed, discipline, and rising, abiding, and destruction. (Lankavatara Sutra)
>>41363262Doesn't this merely confuse Buddhism with nihilism?
alpharius and omegon rp
