I've heard there are theories about Matthew Barney's Cremaster Cycle having occult connections e.g. to ritual sexual abuse. Anyone seen any good write-ups on this?
>>41303001First I've heard of it
>>41303001After a brief look, I don’t see much connection, but I don’t know much. What brought you to this line of inquiry. T.sra survivor
>>41303001could never find any videos of it, only heard people talk about it.any links?
>>41303001>Cremaster CycleSome aleatory excerp from 'pedia:"The full series was released in a limited series of 20 sets of DVDs, sold for at least $100,000 each, in custom packaging and as fine art, rather than mass-market movies. In 2007 one disc (Cremaster 2) sold for $571,000.[5] It came in a case “made from hand-tooled saddle leather, sterling silver, polycarbonate honeycomb, beeswax, acrylic and nutmeg”>Links to masonic lore"Richard Serra, Aimee Mullins, and Mike Bocchetti portray Hiram Abiff, Sadhbh, and the Grandmaster respectively, in Cremaster 3">And the rabbit hole deepensProduced by Barbara GladstoneNancy SpectorMatthew Barney
>>41303001These niggers need to hang already, unadulterated faggotry.
>>41303165It is a Rothschild's-Masked-Ball-made-by-Salvador-Dali level of high art occult mashup shit
>>41303001so no one on this board has watched this? I remember seeing it and blockbuster way back when, and being intrigued, but obv. no one else wanted to watch it.Kinda forgot about ever since... is it trash? why does no one talk about it?
>>41303308>so no one on this board has watched this?Unless some artsyfag has seen it, probably not>What a tinman friend of mine says about it:"No, the Cremaster Cycle is not widely available to broader audiences because the series will likely never be released on mass-market DVD. The films are considered high-art and are primarily shown in periodic screenings at museums, art houses, and galleries, not in mainstream movie theaters. However, individual excerpts or rare, special theatrical screenings are sometimes made available to the public. Reasons for limited availabilityPart of a larger art installation: The Cremaster Cycle is considered a single, large-scale art project, not a series of commercial movies. The films are part of a larger body of work that includes sculptures and drawings. Filmmaker's intent: Matthew Barney, the creator, has been clear that the series is not intended for broad home video distribution. Alternative distribution: While not available on DVD, some individual pieces have been released in specialized, high-priced art formats or as expensive, limited-edition sets for collectors, notes Wikipedia. Screening availability: The series is occasionally shown in its entirety during limited engagements at museums and art house cinemas, but these screenings are rare and not intended for mass appeal. "Again>>41303300Basically the ones that buy it are more than probably filthy rich master's mason, maybe rosicrucians and/or satanists
>>41303308I think you can only legally view it at the museums which either purchased the dvds or purchased licensing to show the films. I haven’t tried to find any of the films on a streaming site recently but I think because of the limited copies they were able to keep it pretty exclusive. I’m embarrassed to admit I did attend a viewing but I found it to be terribly boring and feel asleep>t art prof
>>41303001I’ve seen three of the films of the cremaster cycle and there’s very overt and occult themes throughout.
>>41303308I saw three of the the five while they screens at university of Miami.
>>41303664>Hiram AbiffHiram Abiff?Yes.Hiram Abiff.To the unaware, H.A. is the first mastermason to give his life to keep the great work's secret.So the high pricing and exclusivity probably is to protect/secrecy over some of masonic symbology.
Well, I'll say this: the title itself is a play on words, and I know it's related to testicles, but nevertheless, it's a double meaning.cremasteriscremation+mastermaster of cremationi.e., BaalHe also has a photo where he's red-haired(Seth was red-haired, and bright red hair was often associated with non-human creatures. One might recall Balor, who transformed into a red-haired boy.) and his horns are cut off, meaning he's a devil without horns and testicles.The Egyptian Seth and Osiris lost their genitals (I'm still researching this topic, since all of Abrahamism is connected to it, but I still haven't figured out who's the bad guy).Cronus (Saturn) was also castrated.A common motif.
>>41303826He built the Temple of Solomon in the image and likeness of the Temple of Melqart-Hercules (Baal)-Nergal. His temple had two columns. That's why Solomon worked with Baal. Yes, Hercules = Baal, but that needs to be discussed separately; he's basically hidden under different names everywhere.(Marduk, Susano no Mikoto, etc.)Boiz and Jachin = Pillars of Heracles-Melqart = Djed> Herodotus: In the wish to get the best information that I could on these matters, I made a voyage to Tyre in Phoenicia, hearing there was a temple of Heracles at that place, very highly venerated. I visited the temple, and found it richly adorned with a number of offerings, among which were two pillars, one of pure gold, the other of smaragdos, shining with great brilliance at night. In a conversation which I held with the priests, I inquired how long their temple had been built, and found by their answer that they, too, differed from the Hellenes. They said that the temple was built at the same time that the city was founded, and that the foundation of the city took place 2,300 years agohttps://historum.com/t/new-perspectives-on-shared-patterns-in-near-eastern-mythology.201099/https://historum.com/t/unique-mesopotamian-and-egyptian-syncretism-%E2%80%93-how-the-lord-of-the-underworld-changed-the-ancient-world.200843/https://historum.com/t/the-gods-of-abraham-1-who-was-el-shaddai.199237/https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=195075#phttps://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9066
>>41304052>Boiz and Jachin = Pillars of Heracles-Melqart = Djed>>41304042>master of cremationHeracles burns himself to death (it doesn't matter that the Greeks didn't have the dark side of Heracles's character as elsewhere and he wasn't the king of the dead. His insane nature is still evident, and the Greeks also preserved the legend of a hero being burned at the stake).The Luwian Santa/Sandos was associated with the funeral pyre.Melqart (Milku/Milcom/Moloch) was associated with the funeral pyre.Nergal-Erra-Erragal was literally engulfed in flames in the description and burned.And here you'll understand why he's associated with fire:According to Armenian mythology, Bel-Nimrod-Marduk (Nimrod was no ordinary man) was shot in the head and burned on Mount Nemrut (yes, he's also Ninurta/Ningirsu). After his death, a lake formed (and yes, this is literally a 1:1 myth about Lugh killing Balor. This is not justjust a coincidence that his name contains Bal. There are articles on this topic, I didn't just make this up; everyone told the same myths and legends in their own way, and heroes in pantheons also repeated themselves under new names)There's a possibility that he's also Saturn; there was also a theory that he was Hera's original husband.Belenus and the festival of Beltane are also associated with this. They're all the same thing. Yes, it's connected to the rebirth of nature, etc., but observers, gods, demons, and others liked to identify themselves with planets, starry skies, and natural phenomena to create confusion. This tradition was introduced by Thoth-Mercury.With Egypt, things are more complicated, since it was Seth who was burned at the stake, but the Phoenicians identified Melqart with Osiris (and Horus). Although there were also multiple identifications of Baal-Seth, and perhaps... the ancients themselves were confused? Because Horus was also sometimes identified with Baal, but this is impossible, since only one of them is Baal
>>41304091Masons love cover their one eye in photographs, and they also have an initiation where they are hit in their eye. This is connected to the battle between Horus and Seth. Perhaps Horus has a dark nature (suddenly), while Seth, on the contrary, is a good guy but demonized. Yes, Odin is connected to this (there are also a couple of images of Nergal where he has one eye; Dajjall would also have one eye).It's interesting that Jesus rides in on a donkey, and this can be interpreted in different ways. He is Horus defeating Seth (it was common to depict victorious gods riding a defeated monster).He is Seth, because Seth (Euhemerism) rode a donkey like a man, according to legend, and the Greeks had a legend that Seth escaped on a donkey (although, nevertheless, these are still not ordinary people. You know, like in the Old Testament, angels who look like humans, or a god who clearly has a character and anthropomorphism, but is still not quite human. It's something on the edge, something strange. They were once literally among people).
>>41304052>Hercules = Baal,"At LydiaHerodotus says the Heraclids ruled Lydia for 505 years through 22 generations with son succeeding father all down the line from Agron to Candaules. While Candaules was the last of the Heraclids to reign at Sardis, Herodotus says Agron was the first and thereby implies that Sardis was already the capital of Lydia in Maeonian times. Candaules died c.687 BC and so the 505-year span stated by Herodotus suggests c.1192 BC for Agron's accession. That is about the time the Hurri-Hittite empire collapsed and thus the land of seha river could become independent from its Hittite overlords and gives more credibility to the tradition heard by Herodotus."Baal means Lord, so even by historical accounts you are correct >>41304052>That's why Solomon worked with Baal.Reignc.970–931 BC (hypothesised)PredecessorDavidSuccessorRehoboamBorn11th–10th century B.C.Jerusalem, Kingdom of Israel and Judah
>>41304091>Nimrod-Marduk𒀭𒀫𒌓 dAMAR.UTU; Sumerian: amar utu.kAnother etymological link to the Mars/Maruts may be found.
>>41304674https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amritahahah>>41304984>>41304959>>41305026>Nimrod-MardukMerodakMeru (mount aka Sumeru lol)Hislop wrote that Nimrod is also connected with water, something like n m r is associated with waterMelqart was also associated with water.Nimerodach Nimerudahau (sea wolf) dahau = wolf Zoroastrian Azzi Zahhakazzy - snakezahhak - dahau = wolfsnake + wolfhttps://www.academia.edu/2916523/zah%C4%81k_or_wolflike_serpent_in_the_Iranian_Mythology_>Fenrir aka Vánagandr (Old Norse 'monster of the [River] Ván')>Van>Said to have taken place in the mountainous region of Vaspurakan, near the eastern shores of Lake Vanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hayots_DzorHayk’s fight with his adversary may be considered in the con¬ text of the myth of the thunder god and his adversary the serpent (for the reconstruction of this myth, see Ivanov and Toporov 1974). Accord¬ ing to a legend, the “Armenian king” (= Hayk) killed Bel-Nimrod and burned him up on Mt. Nimrod/ Nemrut (to the west of Lake Van). By God’s will, the fire turned into water, and a crater lake on the summit of the mountain was created. In other variants, Nimrod built a grandiose building on Mt. Nimrod and rebelled against god. He was destroyed by thunderbolts and a storm. The lake on the summit of Mt. Nimrod was created and drowned him and his palace
>>41305155https://archive.org/stream/2015PetrosyanProblemsOfArmenianPrehistory/2015_Petrosyan_Problems_of_Armenian_Prehistory_djvu.txthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hayots_DzorSemitic Bel in Armenian tradition has been associated with two hom- ophonic Indo-European stems: *bhel- ‘to blow, swell’ and *bhel- ‘to shine; white’ (see respectively Harutyunyan 2000: 231 and Petrosyan 2002a). Interestingly, the Celtic god Belenos (identified with Apollo), who sometimes is regarded as the early counterpart of Beli and Bile, and Balor, who, due to the homophony of his name, could have been conflated with the otherworldly figure of Beli/Bile, among the number of other etymologies, are also derived from those stems (for Belenos, see Pokomy 1959: 118 ffi; for Beli and Bile: Kondratiev 1998; Kalygin 2006: 32 ffi; Fomin 1996, with bibliography; cfi De Vries 2006: 75 fi; for Balor: Tsymbursky 1987). In short, this is the same Shiva (Shiva is a syncretic god, but this is a development of Balarama Bel Belus. His third eye is evil)Both Beli and Balor were considered to be of the Formorian race (ie water giants). Beli, from what I can tell so far, can either be seen as an elaboration of "Bel" or related to Bel through the name "Balor." Though there is nothing on line linking "baleygr" (the etymology for balor) to "bolgios" - in can be inferred due to the link between bolgios and both beli and balor. The cattle link probably came from the fact that there is a different norse beli.
>>41305170BALOR - balor=(orig) baleful eye, flaming eye, crimson eye, (later) evil eye, venomous eye, (later) the one eyed, the bright one; - / - beli (from) belgios, bolgios (from) balor (from) baleyg (from) baleygr (from) bal eygr=blaze eye, eye of fire, flaming eyed, fiery eyed, flame eyed, flaming eyed, furnace eyed, blazing eye, feeble eye, the struck looking, the burning eye, one with flaming eyes, with eyes blazing, in the blazing eye, (later) odin’s epithet, god of sunlight; - / - baleyg=flame eye, fiery eyed, the burning eye, with eyes blazing, the flaming eyed, flame eyed one, one with flaming eyes; - / - belgios, bolgios (from) bolg ios=(orig) lightning, he of the lightning, (later) white, shining, bright; - / - balor=(orig) fomorian sea giant king with glance that kills, (later) irish god of death and the underworld;- (bolg) - bolg(Ir)=(orig) stomach, belly, tummy, womb, (later) bag, sack, leather bag;- (bolg) – bolg(celt)=(orig) lightning, spear, (later) luminous, shine, flashing;- (bel/bal) - bel=(orig) to shine, to be bright, (later) fire, flame, (later) bright, brightness, shining, brilliant, light, glitter, splendour, radiant, burning bright, fortunate, good, (later) the bright one, the shining one; - / - beli (wlsh) (from) bel (OI) (from) bael (OE) (from) bal (ON)=(orig) fire, great fire, flame, blaze, (later) bonfire, (later) pyre, funeral pile; - /- bael=fire, flame, blaze, bonfire, funeral pyre, bonfire; - / - beli=bright, brightness, shining, white, (later) the bright one, the bright and shining one, (symbols) horse, wheel; - /- bel=celtic sun god of light, fire, prosperity, healing, purification, agriculture and springtime, purification, healing, fire and light, represents spring’s returning warmth, lustful youth, patron of sheep and cattle; - /
>>41305178>>41304052 - beli=welsh sun god, celtic god of fire and light who is honoured on may first; /// beli=leader of the norse barking giants, brother of gerda, loved gerda’s husband frey who killed him with a stag horn; see Gerda; - / - beli=(orig) bellowing, moaning, howler, storm, (later) the stag; - / - beli (ON) (from) belja (ON)=(orig) to bellow, to roar, to shout, to moo, (later) bellowing animal, cow;boards.4chan.org/x/thread/41304206>>41245273https://devdutt.com/the-glamorization-of-alcohol/A careful look at these mythologies of alcohol reveal how alcohol is associated either with vulgar excesses of the rich (Indra), with the ascetic outsider (Balarama/Shiva) or with deities of the ‘lower’ castes and tribals (Kali/Muneeshwaran). It did not allow for Sanskritisation (moving up the caste ladder in society). To move up in society, one had to be more like Brahmins. Besides giving up non-veg food, one also had to give up alcohol.Shiva and Dionysusphallus = lingamNimrod and Dionysus had animal skinsconquered the entire worldforced people to worship them (Dionysus was in India according to Greek mythology; Dionysus actually comes from India. He may be related to the charcoal gods of the Mayans and Aztecs).
>>41303001Nah bro it's a perfectly normal art movie. Completely innocent 100%
>>41305210Nimrod and Dionysus are associated with ash. How can I explain this to you (or how can I explain it if I don't fully understand it myself?) In short, according to Armenian legend, Bel-Marduk-Nimrod is either burned or destroyed by lightning.Dionysus is eaten, and the Titans are destroyed by lightning—again, ashes, sziggien, etc.—but here everything is complicated, because the dismemberment of Dionysus (Nimrod?) can be seen as the emergence of languages.72 demons of Seth, 72 languages, 72 peoples, Jesus was condemned by 71 Israeli judges + the devil + Judas, but Jesus also sent 72 disciples (the number 72 is a key number, since 72 years constitute 1 degree of the precession of the Earth's axis, which is necessary for the shift of the zodiacal era. A full zodiacal year (Great Year) lasts 25,920 years (360 degrees, 72 years/degree), during which time the Sun passes through all 12 zodiacal constellations. THEREFORE, all this could simply be a veiled catastrophe, and the revelation of John is possibly an astrological event).
>>41305235>THEREFORE, all this could simply be a veiled catastrophe, and the revelation of John is possibly an astrological eventSeth cut Osiris's body into 14 pieces, sometimes 42 pieces are mentioned—corresponding to the number of existing regions, or nomes.The connection between the number 14 and genealogy. Matthew deliberately structures Christ's genealogy into three sets of 14 generations: from Abraham to David, from David to the Babylonian exile, and from the exile to Jesus the Messiah. A 3 x 14 generation structure equals 42.Seth conspired with 72 demons against Osiris. Seth + conspirators = 73.The Great Sanhedrin consisted of 71 people. 71 people condemned Jesus + Pontius Pilate and/or Judas/Satan = 73.The phenomenon of precession: The Earth's axis slowly wobbles like a top, completing a full circle in approximately 25,920 years. This phenomenon is called the precession of the equinoxes. Because of this, the position of the stars in the sky slowly shifts relative to calendar dates.Precession Mathematics: If we divide a full circle (360 degrees) by the duration of a cycle (25,920 years), we obtain the rate of shift: approximately 1 degree every 72 years (25,920 / 360 = 72).Thus, the number 72 is the key number of the Great Year, the time it takes for a zodiacal era to shift by 1 degree. The murder of Osiris, the god of rebirth and cyclical time, his temporary "death" and subsequent resurrection, could be symbolically linked to this great cosmic cycle. Conspirators in this context are the forces of chaos attempting to disrupt the divine cosmic order (Maat).The Egyptians were brilliant astronomers. Their nighttime and calendar were based on the decans—36 stars or constellations that rise sequentially in the sky at intervals of 10 days (36 * 10 = 360 days + 5 epiagomenal days).36 decans: Each decan "ruled" 10 days of the year.
>>41305235>>41305249Doubling: 72: In some mystical and funerary texts (for example, the "Book of the Dead"), this number is doubled to 72. There was a concept of 36 decans of day and 36 decans of night, or 72 deities associated with these stars.Hypothetically, the 72 conspirators could symbolize the entire starry sky rebelling against the sun god-king (Osiris/Horus). This is a metaphor for the night conquering the day, but with the subsequent inevitable rebirth (of the sun/Osiris). Since the New Kingdom, Osiris has been firmly identified with the constellation Orion, which for the Egyptians was the celestial embodiment of the god. If we look for a direct correspondence to the "72 stars," then modern Orion contains approximately 120-130 stars visible to the naked eye. The number 72 is not directly tied to it. However, Osiris's very association with the starry sky (Orion) and Sothis (Sirius, Isis) makes an astronomical interpretation of the conspiracy highly probable.Precession of the equinoxes (72 years per degree): Symbolizes the great cosmic cycle of death and rebirth, which Osiris personifies.Decan stars (36 x 2 = 72): Symbolizes all the forces of the night sky participating in the conspiracy against the solar/star god.| 25920 : 72 = 360 | 2400 : 360 = 666+++ | 2400 : 72 = 333+++ |The Flood of 9600 BC + 2000 BC = 11600 – a 12,000-year cycle + 400 = 2400. The end of the world in 2400 (
>>41305235>>41305249>>41305253All the main gods were associated with Orion, some saw him as a thunderer, some as an archer, the gods did not always completely repeat Orion's pose, but his hand was often characteristically raised
>>41304052>https://historum.com/t/new-perspectives-on-shared-patterns-in-near-eastern-mythology.201099/>https://historum.com/t/unique-mesopotamian-and-egyptian-syncretism-%E2%80%93-how-the-lord-of-the-underworld-changed-the-ancient-world.200843/>https://historum.com/t/the-gods-of-abraham-1-who-was-el-shaddai.199237/>https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=195075#p>https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9066https://www.academia.edu/105697381/Nergal_the_god_of_death_Emerges_from_the_Abyss_and_the_Mistaken_Correlation_to_Remphan_and_the_Star_of_Davidhttps://www.academia.edu/50834604/Ninurta_Nimrod_Son_of_Enlil_Satan_the_First_Post_Flood_Hybridhttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/390329032_Heracles_and_the_Ancient_East_Between_Similarity_and_Equivalencehttps://books.openedition.org/ifeagd/3488He was everywhere>Dajjal will appear as a one-eyed man with a red body and red, curly hair.>>Literally like Nergal>>41305155>sea“The throne of Iblis is above the sea, from there he sends his troops (shaitans) to sow discord among people, and the best of them is the one who causes the most discord” (Sahih Muslim, No. 5031).>Balor, a giant who lives in an invisible tower, commands one of the most fearsome armies that has ever been>Balor = Baal = Bel = Nimrod
>>41303001it depicts the construction of the chrysler building as symbolic for the construction of the temple in freemasonry. Each part of the cycle corresponds to one of the three degrees of the blue lodge of freemasonry.
>>41305548>Shinto scholars say that a Shinto god Susanou (Susanou-no-mikoto) in the Japanese mythology resembles Baal in several aspects, and a goddess Amaterasu (Amaterasu-oomikami) resembles Ashtaroth.>Also known as Gozu Tennō (Ox-Headed Heavenly King) is a Japanese shinbutsu-shūgō (syncretic) deity of disease and of healing>(Disease and plague, that's how easy it is to find him. Just like Baal, Reshef, Nergal, the Etruscan Shuri, etc. He had unstable behavior like Marduk and Hercules. Babylonians also tried to appease Marduk.)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gion_cultIt can be remembered that Susano is an exiled god, literally, exiled (but just like Baal, he is a hero and dragon slayer, but with an extremely contradictory character)Kuni-yuzuri. the expulsion of the old gods (the Anunnaki in the flood story are also compared to flies)>After a time, Amaterasu and the primordial deity Takamimusubi (also known as Takagi-no-Kami) declared that Ashihara-no-Nakatsukuni, which was then being ruled over by Ōkuninushi (also known as Ō(a)namuchi), the descendant (Kojiki) or the son (Shoki) of Susanoo, should be pacified and put under the jurisdiction of their progeny, claiming it to be teeming with "numerous deities which shone with a lustre like that of fireflies, and evil deities which buzzed like flies".
>>41305548The Masons hint so that even fools can understandhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Satanhttps://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cueva_de_SalamancaTo this end, he dug a large hole in the ground, within which he placed the seven liberal arts and many other books. He then summoned the natives of the country to frequent this cave; but since they were rude and did not understand such a marvel, and the mythical founder had to continue his exploits elsewhere, he reconciled his desire to maintain this study with the construction of a statue of himself, to which he bestowed the gift of speech, entrusting it with the answers of the zealous students who truly desired to learn, as if Hercules were there in person.Popular tradition, forgetful of Hercules, soon assigned the teaching duties to Asmodeus or some other demon, who for seven years, in the darkness of the night, taught divination and other dark arts to seven students. Once the course was completed, lots were drawn, and one of them fell into the hands of the Devil.He built talking idols and spread forbidden knowledge.Yes, he's Nimrod (but, I repeat, he wasn't an ordinary person, like many biblical characters. There's even a theory that the patriarchs were repurposed pagan gods. Just an example is how the Bene Elohim changed the name to the Sons of Israel. Basically, every nation has repurposed myths and legends for its own purposes.)https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11980
>>41303001I swear to God you worthless fucks are more than happy to ignore very real sexual abuse in your own neighborhoods, even your own houses, to spend hours speculating about fictional satanists based on media made people with almost nothing in common.
>>41304091boards.4chan.org/x/thread/41230512
>>41303308its available on some google drive thing people post on reddit. nowhere near as hype as OP seems to think it is, even as a person who likes kind of pretentious artsy stuff I found it incredibly uninspiring and dull
Temple of Bacchus (Osiris)
>>41303308this was me. so I guess I am misremembering seeing it at blockbuster. sounds pretty boring desu.
It's on Internet Archive for anyone asking
