Im a Christian, but ive always been interested in magic and the occult. How do I get started practicing magic? Any book recommendations?
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>>41306283Energy cant be created or destroyedAlso we cant lead our own soulsBecause we aren't master of life and death to pull from it a lesson in wisdom.
>>41306357Well isnt magic pulling from something bigger? (Ie. God). Don't magicians know that they are at the whim of whatever they're using or pulling from?
>>41306283What do you think of when you say magic? Putting aside the usual warnings that a Christian shouldn't practice magic for the moment, magic is a wide and diverse field. Also, what kind of Christian are you (denomination) and how flexible is your personal ideology? I ask because magic (whether or not in a Christian context) can include relatively innocuous activities like divination, scrying, and consecrating items to more seriously involved activities like interacting with entities like angels or demons.
>>41306538I am a Catholic, however I now lean to Orthodoxy. I was a Pagan at some point. I do believe in Jesus Christ, but i don't think for a second that the old gods are evil, or that theyre demons. When I think of magic, i think of grimories and spells. I think of rituals, sigils and symbols, as well as divination and consecration. I think my personal ideology, in terms of theology, is quite flexible.
>>41306283https://youtu.be/TZOv7lSHc14
>ritualsTheyre useless and a waste of time.
>>41307048How?
>>41307048>does rituals all the fucking time, but just those sanctioned by the systems anon is enslaved by completely
>>41306283Fuck off faggot, you cannot be Christian AND practice magick.Magick is for the spiritually unshackled and enlightened.Not some worship food for some desert dwelling blood god.Fuck your ass of back to the /b/ you retard.
>>41307581If magic were for the spiritually unshackled and enlightened, then Christians would make good candidates. But magic has to do with causing changes to occur in the physical world. You need an attachment to the physical world just to become interested in that.
>>41306398Magic unironically comes from within through your intentions. Everything else is just tools to help you achieve whatever you're trying to accomplish.
>>41307900This is only a very recent theory of magic. Anon above linked the Libri III, one of the foundational texts of Western magic, which states that magic can be classified as natural, angelic, or divine, depending on its source. In no case does it originate from within the human psyche.
>>41307883I do have an attachment to the world.>>41307900Interesting.>>41307916Wait where was this linked? I was busy.
>>41307883That is the most retarded larp that Christian faggots make up.You are all incappable of performing magick because youre all enslaved by a desert nigger blood and war god.Everything you guys do is stolen from other religions and spiritualities.Not to fucking mention, if you actually read the Bible, you would know that witchcraft is heresy because it trespasses on YWHs supposed dominion. Magick is about dealing with the energy of self and the world and using it to bend reality, people and all things therein to your will.>You need an attachment to the physical world just to become interested in that.Wrong. You are a total idiot lol.Get the fuck out of /x/ christfagsPick your enslavement or magick, you cannot have both.
>>41308359>war god.Based. Christ did conquer.
>>41308359Source-ery is literally using “the source” aka, the actual Tetragrammaton flat world primus progenitor sacred geometry dot man above all to do magic, the source, sorcery, Bible forbids sorcery, witchcraft makes sense with their narrative, but sorcery, that is like banning miracles. Because it’s not him.
>>41308359>Not to fucking mention, if you actually read the Bible, you would know that witchcraft is heresy because it trespasses on YWHs supposed dominion.You have not read the bible nor do you know your history. Witchcraft is not heresy (these are two completely different things) and that is not the reason why it was punishable by death.>Magick is about dealing with the energy of self and the world and using it to bend reality, people and all things therein to your will.Magic is the science of hidden causes. You sound like a Thelemite. But Thelema is a religion that could not exist without Jewish Kabbalah. Just can't seem to get away from that desert god, can you?>>41308399Christus imperat
>>41308359Magick doesnt work. Its useless.
>>41306283You really messed up by mentioning that you're a Christian. Christianity and Magic are incompatible if you follow the Bible. It strictly forbids Magic. Now that you've said the C-word, 90%+ of your thread will be filled with debate about Christianity for and against and you will be lucky to receive much real help. I suggest waiting until your thread is gone and trying again without mentioning that you're a Christian. Since Magic is forbidden within your faith, you're a heretic anyway and you're essentially on your own.t. (somewhat ex) Christian Magic practitionerp.s. I'm not giving you any tips. You must stumble upon them yourself if you are worthy. "To Know, To Dare, To Will, and To Keep Silent" - Éliphas Lévi
>>41308426>just cant get away from jewish desert god>christus imperatNeither can you it seems
>>41306283The Case of Charles Dexter Ward by H.P. Lovecraft should be required reading so you have an idea of what you’d be getting into towards the end game of most magical traditions throughout the ages.https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/cdw.aspx
>>41308447Magick is useless and ineffectualHave practiced magick, its useless
>>41308439Magia naturalis is not forbidden, but that is almost certainly not what OP wants.>>41308442You're trying to get away from Him, I am not.>>41308455Everything called magic in the West that gets any kind of publicity whatsoever is 100% fake, but that doesn't mean that it comes free of risks. It's worse than useless.
>>41308426Based, and Thelema seems very cringe. Made by a conman. I want to know more about Hermeticsm, fuck id rather be a Satanist than a Thelemite.
>>41308439Good advice nonetheless, thank you.
>>41308578Evola's book on the Hermetic Tradition is a good intro. Everyone mentions "Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition" by Frances Yates. She makes some very serious historical errors in that book (neither Bruno nor Ficino nor Agrippa nor Pico no any of the other Christian Cabalists had anything whatsoever to do with Hermeticism) but it is nevertheless an interesting read. Copenhaver's translation of the Hermetica is required reading. Christian Hermeticism is something very real and very orthodox, but actual Christian Hermetic orders are rare and inaccessible. Look into the Estoile Internelle for an example, most of the information about them comes from Louis Charbonneau-Lassay.
>>41308610This is the type of shit I wanted, not to be called a slave by a larper. I heard the O9A has a good book on magic called Naos or something. Is this true? I only mention them because ive heard they have actual crazy rituals and shit.
>>41308685There is a lot of fake O9A material circulating from copycat organizations but afaik Naos is authentic. I don't know whether the online editions are faithful to the copies they circulate among themselves, only an original Niner could tell your for sure, and by the way, they do not recruit and have no external contact.
>>41306283If magic was real or accessible then you would be seeing actual wizards doing actual wizard stuff.>>41307581>MagickLol poser.
>>41308736>you would be seeing actual wizards doing actual wizard stuffwe do
>>41308715Makes sense, theyre super secret. People can basically make their own groups though right? How could I get my hands on NAOS? I dont want to be a Satanist, however for magic material it could be useful. But I heard if I try to purchase anything from them id be on a watch list.
>>41308795Something claiming to be it is easy to find. I could be charged with disseminating terrorist propaganda if I provided a link. I haven't read it so can't speak to its usefulness. You can try to do whatever you want, and you may even see some results from whatever practices you become attached to, but a word of warning with that: merely taking an interest in these matters attracts certain forces to your person, and without being initiated into a lineage, you will not be protected.
>>41308787Show me then.
>>41307581Cite your sources from the New Testament.You won't.
>>41306587Read up on Hermeticism, Chaos magick theory, as well as alternative/native explanations for various popular Saint stories (Like Saint Patrick and his chasing out the snakes). I'm fond of Papars of Iceland. Not too familiar with the Ortho saints desu.Make sure you have become familiar with the different types of Miracles recognized by the Church.Look into Heretical Physics. High /x/ type stuff, such as sentient mind waves and living plasma.Of course there's also studying the traditions of the other two Abrahamic Finally look into the Abramelin Operation. The movie is A Dark Song is a good example of it. If you do watch it, follow up with this breakdown, critique, and suggestions for improvement: https://youtu.be/SQ7Y8OA52H8?si=BSwzx-6GprSxmZNEShoot I'd also look into vudu/hoodoo/santeria traditions. A little known tenant of those faiths is how Comedy/Humor is divine. (Echoing Aquinas). Skeleton Key is a good movie that introduces the concept of Faith being the tool, even if you don't believe one thing, someone else's faith in that thing can still hold power for you.Cradle Catholic here, just remember your oaths and whatever from the Sacraments. And never forget that Pride is the first downfall when attempting to understand the Divine Nature of God's Creation.
>>41306587>i don't think for a second that the old gods are evil, or that theyre demonsVery wise.Don't forget that Angel is a job title, and demon a slur, at least historically.
>>41308915Special shoutout to Caodaism
>>41308835I agree, thank you very much.>>41308915I will, also good info. And I agree. I want to know magic not because im prideful, but because I want to better understand the world I live in. To see the deepness of God's creation.
>>41308925>very wiseI try to be. Thats why I want to know magic, so that I can grow in wisdom. Also the term daimons seems to be a good term for the gods, spirits that can be good or bad. Even in the Bible God had to fight gods. Iirc it was the Egyptian gods in the OT
>>41308959I have a personal theory that the Muses are a sort of societal, psychological, or other fractal-esque Phenomenon to aid in further enlightenment.After all God is essentially an Ultraterrestrial, outside of time as we experience it. Most realizations seem to come from hindsight noooticing.
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>>41308835>initiated into a lineageThis is a big thing OP.Make sure you know your literal ancestors as well as you can. Geography and such. It will help a lot later on to remain centered.
>>41308970Fascinating>>41308976Really? Im of mainly Irish stock, from places all over Ireland. What does this mean for me "initiation"? What does it mean to remain centered?
Shams al-Ma'arif" by Ahmad al-BuniForgot about that one from mystic Islam.Purportedly has the names of God and occulted practices apparently allow one to detact from God. I haven't personally dove into it, but I absolutely dread non English works. Academic translations is always laden with personal bias and as such I find it wanting.https://youtu.be/2dY-roDpHWI?si=KpOy_AEV4hC_z6A8Ammon is an interesting guy if you don't mind potential and literal heresy. He explains about what I was trying to relay about my hangups with translated sources. He can be hard to follow and his mannerisms can be a bit off putting, but he's a legitimately smart dude. Investigated by the Vatican and all lolol
>>41308992At times, if you continue on this path, you may get a literal sense of being lost.Try to remember the struggles of your ancestors, spiritually or even political or whatever. It'll help you maintain focus. It'll echoe through time and slace, after all the Communion of Saints is in God's exo-time domain.I think that's what I meant by being centered.
Oohh yea ind thing I like to hold space for in my meditations, prayers, rituals are what I call the unnamed. The lost. The voiceless. Essentially all the lost civilizations, religions, and cultures as well as the countless forgotten martyrs of them. It can help.
Last thing I find it important to wander between the different types of media consumption. Don't forget to decompress with nostalgia. Everything you've ever consumed has helped shaped you as you are today. Embrace it.Picrel kinda sorta.Moght I offer a neutral prayer from Heilung. Their Amplified History philosophy is most righteous.Remember, that we all are brothersAll people, beasts, trees and stone and windWe all descend from the one great beingThat was always thereBefore people lived and named itBefore the first seed sproutedAnd this song has a great message imohttps://youtu.be/K7ZqZVunCb4?si=H2KEKULQuV1mIP8c///I do apologize for the data dump. I was in your shoes roughta decade ago and literally every Church or faith authority all but chastistme for even considering such research. That's not healthy imo lolol
>>41306283How can I stop a sniper round from the jewish cartels
>>41309024You can pay the guy off maybe >>41309002Makes sense.
>>41308439>It strictly forbids MagicNo it doesn't.Cite your passages. I decline Old Testament rulings and law on the matter, but will still consider any passages you present for refutations.///Unrelated to you that I'm replying toPicrel is a subtle reframing of the Abramelin Operation. Media literacy is a good skill to develop.
>>41307883>You need an attachment to the physical world just to become interested in that.Jesus did that. He is our link. By virtue of the sealing of the Holy Spirit in the sacraments we go through.
>>41307048>Theyre useless and a waste of timeWhen you follow the general steps honestly, no they aren't.Intention control and placement being the first step is also the hardest hurdle to get past.
>>41309024https://youtu.be/WZu4KOgJTuMhttps://youtu.be/vcKzlZHl7PYFriendSome things are best leftunkNEoHwEnB.https://youtu.be/T-wlTMcm7KAAsk.
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>>41306283Start with the Egyptians, move on to Greeks, Platonics, Neoplatonics, various mythologies and symbols, etc, then get some anon to post a chart on esoteric Christianity because Christianity is very strict about what you should engage with and in what ways
>>41309255https://youtu.be/lpG7vEOlbIcBrinking the Eoisture from the Nairhttps://youtu.be/mz9hr-2SGtE
>>41309362>Christianity is very strict about what you should engage with and in what waysIt really isn't. Beyond actual bane werks and Anti-Life (animal or human sacrifice) rituals.Council of Trent established the frameworks. Solidified more with Vatican II as well as further reflections by Pope Benedict.It's such a core concept that CS Lewis even had a plot point in the Last Battle reflecting that teaching.
Since you're Christian, I'd recommend the Golden Dawn. Old books are good for theory, but new books are clearer on practices.
>>41306357What are you even responding to?>>41306978I'm torn between agreeing and disagreeing here, because Agrippa is fundamental, and he was Christian which will help for OP, but...he also needs to be put into historical context. Nevertheless, if you're going to recommend it, yeah, the Purdue translation is preferable.>>41307581Bitch, Christians have been doing magic for the entire time they've been around, regardless of their anti-magic bullshit.>>41308578>Thelema seems very cringeOf course it is.
>>41308864Inb4 you disregarding the old testament because the whole wrong philosphy that the new testament soley exist to cancel out the old.You are retarded. Go ahead and pretend to cast magick, I will see all your souls in hell :=3>>41308399However, Christ did not conquer. YWH is just one of the retarded ElohimJesus is the product of sex that was covered up in order for Mary not to be stonedIt ripped off a handful of other religious figures and was a no shoe wearing hippie who would be dissapointed in all of you.>>41308415You wanna put that in a non-schitzospastic way?>>41308426Thats rich coming from someone who actualy hasnt read the Bible.>Magic is the science of hidden causes. You sound like a Thelemite. But Thelema is a religion that could not exist without Jewish Kabbalah. Just can't seem to get away from that desert god, can you?Ok baby foreskin eating kabbalist, go back to your study of inane geometry and secret Masonry which is just worshipping Baal.Most sorcery back then in that area was taken from the Cannites and the ''Other'' people.Christfags will never access the source, the magick, the primordial energy of reality. You have no souls since you sold them to YWH.Revelation 21:8"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts (witches/sorcerers) the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."Revelation 22:15"Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood."Galatians 5:19–21"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."
>>41308971What is this?
