In one of his talks he mentions that out of everyone he has given psychedelics to, only about 4 people reported back with the type of experience he was interested in, which I think would be either self moving spirit entities or some type of logos.He also reported many people saying nothing happened, and then fearfully refusing to ever touch the substance again. This puts it in perspective on how fragile the psychedelic movement was. Even in the Information Age this initiation will remain a mystery to most.This is pretty peculiar. Even when it seems mainstream, it absolutely isn't.
I spent much of the spring on nightwalks listening to Uncle McKenna's lectures, I was smoking and vaping a ludcirous amount of pot but I haven't had any shrooms in two years. Had some major synchronicities, all day long can't ignore type, feels like I'm being "called back" to themany shroom experiences/testimonies? I only had a chocolate bar so I still consider myself a bit of a vrigin
Love what he said about the Internet, being an equalizer
>>41307173Im gonna do shrooms l8r tonight. Not a big dose or anything just enough to feel mushy and let loose Im not personally a big fan of mckenna i think hes a gatekeeper and lacks humility. He also had a really bad trip that traumatized him and yet he didnt tell that to the general public and kept preaching to take 5g in the dark to everyone.
>>41307310To elaborate I dont think ‘5g in the dark’ is for everyone and for a lot of people that is going to create a very traumatic experience. Which goes along with what mck reported about people claiming nothing happened and not wanting to do it again or elaborate. Sounds like trauma response to me. I personally have had breakthrough experiences on doses way below 5g so I think he has a bit of an ego and gives some dangerous advice because he wants to seem more badass for doing more. Sometimes less is more, and not everyone reacts the same to drugs. In my opinion I think it is more wise to tell people to grow their own so they have a decent personal supply so they can experiment with different doses. If doing 5g is your thang thats coolBut he preached his own personal method as if it were gospel. And he is a major HYPOCRITE because he traumatized himself but didnt tell people about it and kept preaching his same dangerous advice. I mean… 5g isnt going to physically kill people but it can damage people’s mental health for sure at doses that high, in my personal opinion. Just another really obvious and simple example of why the 5g advice is so misguided is that potency between strains can vary. With mushrooms you never really know exactly what dose youre taking so to me it seems silly to have hard lines in the sand like that. I mostly dislike how it seems elitist to me like if you dont take 5g u arent a ‘real’ psychonaut. Total douche gatekeeper behaivor. And lastly, his voice to me is like nails on a chalkboard.
>>41307173I had a real interesting experience. The days leading up to it seemed ridiculously perfect in hindsight as a scheduled lesser mystery of some type of mental purification, before being initiated into the greater one, using terminology from the Platonic dialogues.I am not very interested in saying what happened anymore, considering that afterwards I got obsessive about telling people about it. Having found a great revelation and unravelled a systematic lie conditioned into us from the moment we are kids. I earnestly cried because of the extreme denial and sometimes outright hatred that appears out of nowhere in some people when confronted with someone that holds different first principles to them.With that experience behind me it wasn't a surprise learning later on that the ancient greeks took the secrecy of the mysteries very seriously. Or that Terence himself seemed to be dealing with similar interactions as I noted down in the OP.The entire psychedelic culture online seems incredibly fake, as in being a performative larp. Because in real life I can't seem to find a single person who has met these spirit beings. And most people who have tried these substances are either drug addicts, or new age egotists at the edge of a god complex. >>41307310But he was the opposite of a gatekeeper, without him the knowledge of psilocybin would not be as wide spread. As he continued on with his journey it became clear his experiences are outside of what the general public will get however, and his egalitarian ideals were crushed. Yourself expecting nothing but a feeling of being loose.
>>41307356I dont always take mushrooms to have a complete breakthrough psychedelic experience but I have before. I just think he was gatekeeping information on psilocybin not the drug himself. He talks as if he has it all figured out and if you dont do it his way you are lesser. Thats just how it seems to me. You seem to share his (in my opinion) better than thou attitude when you talk down on using mushrooms to let loose as if thats not a valid way to use or enjoy mushrooms.
>>413073525g is a dose he often told people to work towards, if they did not have an initiate experience. In his later talks he was open about the fact that he was doing psilocybin less and less.>>41307388He states in his talks that a dark room is his belief on how to have the most effective experience, you act as if he was dogmatic about it.You are correct on being more careful around it though and it is a valid critique worth echoing. But I'm not gonna blame him as a person for being excited. You seem to have a total aversion towards the idea that any type of hierarchy of experience exists. I also held the egalitarian ideals that anyone could experience this, but after truthfully trying to share this knowledge and speaking to as many as I could about it, it's sadly not the case.
>>41307464I mentioned the difference between having a breakthrough experience and just letting loose with a smaller dose. That reinforces the notion of a hierarchy of experience. I definitely understand there are different levels. Sometimes even really small doses of psilocybin can come with really deep introspection (during come up for me) It’s hard to be black and white about the hierarchy when it comes to psychedelic experiences but I don’t doubt its existence. Cheers anon
>>41307464Just so I say something nice about mckI did find a decent amount of his retelling of the experience to be accurate. Especially things like feeling an impossibly large wave slowly building in the distance and washing over you. Definitely felt that as well, so it is helpful to see connections like that where other people can take the drug and confirm they experienced the same thing. I havent and probably wont ever touch DMT but i believe what he says about bursting through a crysanthemum(sp) and the machine elves and shit. I believe lots of what he said about the experience itself people will be able to confirm that yeah it happened for them too. But in general I dont like idolizing anyone and think mck is no different. Not to be idolized.
I’ve given away pounds of magic mushrooms and have never sold a single one. I’ve eaten pounds myself. The type of experiences people report are generally positive and the negative ones usually seem positive once they talk about it afterwards.
>>41307622I love em fresh. Cool anon
>>41307157dats neat but time wave 0 fizzled
McKenna has some great lectures. I found a YouTube channel that posts tons of them but then I noticed it was Israeli and got upset. I figure this is the type of Israeli person (into consciousness expanding subjects like psychedelics) I want to support http://www.youtube.com/@DanitFriedman
>>41307356>I am not very interested in saying what happened anymore, considering that afterwards I got obsessive about telling people about it.in this phase rn, hoping I do find SOMETHING to uh share if that makes sense, ty for your testimony. lines up with mine and a mentor of mines
>>41307356Bro u cant say that mckenna wasnt a gatekeeper and then gatekeep the great revelation of the lie u unraveled Which one?Dinosaurs ball earth which one did u unravel? You wont bore us here so theres no reason to not say what it is
>>41307636>>41307636>>41307636Me too. I ate a few fresh natalensis today. Took the cap off that mutant so I can collect its spores. I always take spores from first flush so I don’t get mutant spores that often.I saw a YouTube recipe for a mushroom parfait that looks perfect for steak with spinach, pastas, rice and other savory meals. I think I’m going to make a natalensis mushroom sauce based on thishttps://youtube.com/shorts/Pu7cZjXuz7w
>>41307173So two things I keep thinking about when it comes to these "synchronicities" type stuff is when me and my dad did mushrooms together sometimes we'd finish eachothers sentences, and then this one type when my and my friend were both drunk out of our minds, we were walking upon a road when a beat up white car rolled up to us. The man points to me and says "You have a sister, right?" and of course, I had a sister. I've never seen this man before in my life neither had my dad, and I had been doing a lot of mushrooms before this. I genuinely am starting to believe in some of this shit that shit wigged me out and still does.
>>41307769>me and my dad did mushrooms together sometimes we'd finish eachothers sentencesI love ideas of Akasic Records, reading ahead in time, or prescient knowledge
Ive done shroomsHealthy in small dosesGood for ptsdAvoid thc and lsd (schizomimetic) Do not ever mix shrooms and thc w amphetaminesDo not ever mix shrooms and thc w any kind of lithium
>>41307823>Do not ever mix shrooms and thc w amphetamines>Do not ever mix shrooms and thc w any kind of lithiumWhy do you say that? I love mixing shrooms and weed
>>41307157What's your source for this? Sounds like bullshit.Psychedelics have a very predictable action, it's not possible for "nothing" to happen.
>>41307867They were lying. They didnt wanna talk about what happened.
>>41307867Some people have natural tolerances to these subjects. I’ve met people who eat heroic doses and don’t feel much different. They’re rare but do exist.I have an unnaturally high tolerance to lsd but mild tolerance to most other psychedelics
>>41307991Only way that can happen is if you've taken something like SSRI antidepressants, then psychedelics might not do anything. But it's actually dangerous and can lead to serotonin syndrome.
>>41308030I'm planning on doing 2 tabs of acid on friday and im on 3 different meds would I be ok?
>>41308039How would we know without knowing what drugs u on
>>41308059Abilify, Strattera and Zoloft. Thanks guys
>>41307356>The entire psychedelic culture online seems incredibly fake, as in being a performative larp. Because in real life I can't seem to find a single person who has met these spirit beings.This is accurate. Take a look at the Ayahuasca subreddit. You will find mostly normies who are asking about how long to wait between the medicine and taking acid, followed by meaningless recursive sub-loops of self-exploration that make them feel superior. Anyone who has actually encountered these entities knows that they will hardly be believed or taken seriously by others and have a more pronounced integration process not to be mixed with these kinds of people.
>>41307157Lazy hippy faggot. Zero data.
>>41307157Cosmic Death Fungus...
>>41307173I felt really chill and saw shapes dissolving into colors and a mantis shaped thing peering at me behind a painting on my wall that melted into fractals. Felt good but lost my ability to communicate in language and got the feeling that no one is ultimately in control of anything, up to the highest level of here and also got the feeling that I was asked to leave, but like politely. Spent the rest of the trip desperately trying to string three words together. It didn't work.
What does in grams would you recommend for a Gwar show?
>>41307157I've had a man with a turban apear on a tv while I was floating in space after everything seperated into tiny white glowing spheres. He spoke into my mind and told me all atoms are alive. Totally mind blowing experence.
>>41307310>take 5g in the darkwon't do shit to you. unless you're a gay fag and you're immediately confronted by your impotence to realize you're an incomplete being damaged by a real enemy. only at 8gs with shrooms could you regret anything if you have a clear conscious.
>>41308410Cool story
>>41308030>only wayYou’re fucking retarded. Someone people don’t respond to psychedelics because of diet or natural tolerance That’s just how humans work. The ones on ssri, dietary causes have simple fixes but the natural tolerance doesn’t You sound like a baby who hasn’t read any medical reports on these tripsI’ve given away pounds of mushrooms and many other psychedelics and I can promise you the range of experiences is incredibly variedMindset can play a big role too>>41308072Yeah you’ll be fine but should consider doing half to no dose on your ssriSerotonin syndrome is extremely rare and not usually dangerous at all You’re more likely to experience a car accident buying the lsd than get serotonin syndrome which is constantly brought up by idiots who have never known anyone to experience serotonin syndrome outside of a panic attack type feeling
>>41308410>5 gramsThat’s enough for many people. The effects on psychedelic is highly variable depending on a few factors.
>>41307709Other than by the government there isn't gatekeeping for the material process by mc, that is what I meant, neither for more efficient ritual methods. He wanted to share it with everyone. But found that it didn't seem to be possible. He even wrote a book about growing it.>>41307867it was this talkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdICOjR8YoEStart listening around 7:20. Here he's still holding onto the hope that everyone can se it. But says he has only found 4 who have experienced what he talks about.I don't remember where I heard about the people who say nothing happened but then refuse another hit ever again, but I did and don't think that is very unbelievable considering how scary it is.
>>41308516I see I mean I've been an idiot and did like 15+ grams of mushrooms and was totally fine afterwards!
I don't think it takes away from the initiation. Not everyone on earth will give birth but it's still pretty life changing experience.
Once you have seen real psychedelic entities it definitely confirms the reality of inorganic beings, aliens, entities, demons or whatever you want to call them, as real independent non physical beings.
>>413071575g's in public. now thats where you find out what its all about
>>41308830why won't you talk about your supposed revelation?you sound like an intolerable faggot.
>>41309836I thought it was obvious. We are indoctrinated with materialistic frames of thinking. But can experience something different directly, especially the eternity of our soul, outside of time. I can mention a lot of stuff that happened but that's getting lost in detail.
I think you need the toolset beforehand, something developed over many years. It's like doing a practical without a theory or the theory without a practical. And I think you need the predisposition to start with, the gift, or the whatever. Giving people any entheogen and expecting results if they've never had a thought approaching profound, insightful or revolutionary in their lives before whatsoeover seems very shortsighted for someone who dearly beholds enlightenment.
>>41310104It seems the classic idea that psychedelics will make people empathetic and want to live in peace and harmony is slowly dying. It's so cringe when people believe that. It's also cringe when people just want to get high. Getting high was cool, but there's a lot of people who don't care about what McKenna was talking about.
>>41308516>You’re fucking retarded. Someone people don’t respond to psychedelics because of diet or natural tolerance There is no such thing as natural tolerance. I studied this shit for years at university.There are a lot of stupid but very confident people around here who don't know what they don't know.>Yeah you’ll be fine but should consider doing half to no dose on your ssriHalf dose won't do anything if you are on an SSRI. You need more to get any effect, but that's where you get into dangerous territory. You just shouldn't do it, it's pointless if you are on an SSRI.>>41308830>Here he's still holding onto the hope that everyone can se itI listened from 7:20 for ten minutes and didn't hear him say anything about finding only 4 people.But it's clear in this talk in general he's talking about breaking through, and having spiritual revelations and a lot of conjecture about telepathy and glossolalia. He's NOT saying psychedelics have no effect for some people. You've jumped to a conclusion that wasn't there, and is scientifically nonsensical.I searched the transcript for this talk, and this is the bit you heard:>In giving DMT to people casually to over a number of years, only four people have reported the kind of phenomenon that I’m interested in.In this section, he is specifically talking about glossolalia (speaking in tongues), which is something he can do, and he talks about how it happens. And he said he only got 4 other people to do it, and he primed them for it, because it's not something that might happen automatically.This entire thread is just some broscience from amateurs based on misunderstanding.
>>41310821No way he was really speaking in tonguesSpeaking in tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit and it has nothing to do with speaking gibberish. When you speak in tongues people can understand what you are saying in their mother tongue regardless of what language they speak. Its the OPPOSITE of speaking gibberish. Everyone can understand someone speaking in tongues regardless of what language you speak. I have no idea why 99% of people including Christians know what speaking in tongues is. Read your bible.
>>41310205Mckenna was full of himself, had a traumatic trip that stopped him tripping but kept talking the talk. Total phoney hypocrite also looks super jewey
>>41310013Yes mushrooms can show u the ineffable
