>>41315002
The are two trees: the tree of Life and the tree of good-and-evil-science.
They ate the latter's fruit, God expelled them before they took the former, which would make them immortal.

>>41315029
I know. God lied to them and said they would die genesis 2,17
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

>>41315049
they did die, lmao

>>41315049
The Bible is full of contradictions and is pretty concrete evidence that God is a moody little faggoty vitriolic dirtbag. God is evil, the proof is in the Bible.

>>41315073
I see why the gnostic christians tried to get a foothold back then, but the others were too powerful and convincing, and it didn't help that the gnostics had way too many different beliefs.

>>41315056
Actually had they ate the second tree, they would have lived forever.

they eventually died. If they didn't eat it they would have stayed in Eden and mankind would potentially be a small monoracial immortal utopia for a gorillion years

>>41315002
>Satan did not lie in Genesis
Given that he wasn't there that seems logical.

>>41315115
this does not contradict the fact that they did take the first tree and died after.
The second tree was only took away from them after they took the first one.

>>41315002
>They eat the fruit
>They are no longer immortal
>"If you eat the fruit, you will surely die"
>They get old and die
Satan did the exact same thing you are currently doing

Satan is logical. But that doesn't mean Satan is good.
We have to understand that Satan is not inherently "evil". He rationalises sin so that you can commit it without a guilty conscience, then he accuses you. Satan is the king of the material world. Satan wants you to remain rooted in the material world, so that you do not have more of an interest in the spiritual world, the Kingdom of God, which outweighs the worldly pleasures of the World. Satan is the great deceiver, he and his minions will bring about things on the Earth so majestic nobody will believe there is a higher power that can bring about better things.

>>41315002
I won't reveal everything because it's pointless and no one will believe it anyway, but humans were always meant to eat from the tree because it was the only way to test whether they in fact had free will as God truly intended. Humans were meant to be a coin toss God couldn't call. The truth is that humans are a test of faith for the angels and God's low profile is a test of faith for the humans. It's all an exercise in faith which is the pathway to God. It's a pretty funny joke actually.

>>41315286
>The truth is that humans are a test of faith for the angels
this sounds like the islamic tale of Iblis satan falling because he disobeyed God's order to bow before Adam because he wouldn't bow to someone who isn't God while the angels obeyed

>>41315142
You forgot the part where he specifically says they will die on that day

Also no it's not becoming mortal cope the original word has always meant death

>>41315338
Being mortal is death. We are cut off from the Kingdom of God. We are dead.

>>41315352
Again the word only means physical death it's never used for anything else

Christians in charge of creating a dozen mental gymnastics and ignoring the plain text

>>41315363
How could God have meant "you will die this instant" when just a few verses before he's talking about them toiling on the Earth for food? Don't be stupid, anon.

>>41315073
"If you drink poison you will die"
"That's a lie! I could take an antidote!"
No, it's not a lie. If you do this thing, you will die. You can do another thing to save your life, but that does not contradict the first sentence.

>>41315371
Because he lied

You worship a jewish construct after all

Why didn't he say you would become mortal?

>>41315380
>Christian tries to get you to accept a different topic to trick you into accepting his failed one

Many such cases

>>41315387
Now you're being completely hypothetical. God meant physical death. It's exceedingly clear.

>>41315403
They didn't die that day :)

>>41315423
But they did.

>retard expects a human expression of time in days and hours from a being outside of the boundaries of time
they are not sending their best, not even the muslims are this stupid

>>41315425
Nope Adam lived for centuries

That's many many days :)

>>41315433
And then he died.

>>41315431
>god explicitly says a day
>which he defined as one passing of the sun when he was creating
>uhh our god just don't know what words mean bro

I sense the desperation increasing

He won a bet over Job too if im not mistaken

>>41315436
Not that day :)

We are all dead. Ripped from the communion with the Father.

>>41315338
No he doesn't, he said that on the day you eat of it you will surely die. As in, from that point onwards, your death is certain. Again, you are literally doing the exact same shit Satan did.

But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2Peter 3, 8

>>41315286
Then why did he cuss the snake out like he was BIG MAD? Surely it was all a ruse?

>>41315394
Nah you are baiting. You can't be this bad at basic logic.

>>41315456
Yes he was. He was dead the moment he left Eden. So as you and me are dead. Our destiny is the grave.

>>41315459
Death was certain

But not on the day he declared it :)

>>41315450
what's next, "how could there be light before the sun was created"?
dawkins tier retardation

>>41315459
He also said they would become "like us" and eat from the other tree aka becoming immortal or like God

>>41315468
They did not die they actually had kids LMAO

>>41315466
He was walking around having babies for centuries

Doesn't look dead to me :)

>no death doesn't mean mortality because it just doesn't ok

>>41315466
Nope he had Cain and Able litterally the next page in the bible genesis 4

>>41315469
why use use the word death

>>41315473
He lived in death. He lived knowing he was cursed with death.

are these un-dead Adam and Eve in the room with us now?

>>41315460
You don't need to do this. God told them the truth directly and in a way they were meant to understand. He warned them of the certainty of death, and then they were burdened with mortality from that point onwards. Satan lied to them in the same way the retard you're talking to is.
>"Did he really say you'll die?"
>"Look, you ate it and didn't die! You should give it to Adam!"
>They become mortal and die
This retard is literally falling for the exact same lie that doomed humanity in the exact same way Adam and Eve did and mindlessly regurgitating it like the cattle he is

>>41315478
because they became mortal and did die

The Snake told the Truth while God lied and was seething

Well actually the original Hebrew translated as "dying you shall die". But I guess this discussion is just smug back-and-forth nonsense. I'll leave it here.

>>41315481
The amount of copium christgolems employ to preserve their narrative lol

I'd spam all the biblical contradictions and errors but I want to watch a movie

>>41315491
But they didnt die. They learned about good and evil and their nakedness, which is what the Snake said would happen.

God cursed them with mortality as a punishment anyways it wasnt from the fruit directly Kek

>>41315488
Still didn't die on that same day no matter how much semantics you try

>>41315496
what part of "dying you shall die" do you not understand

>>41315468
Yeah no he didn't mean you will immediately drop dead. This is you confidently misinterpreting a very direct statement. For posterity's sake, I will clarify this for everyone in the thread in a way I believe you will all understand.
>"On the day you eat the fruit, you will surely die."
It is more like
>"On the day you eat the fruit - you will surely die."
As in, your death is now certain. Not on that day, but from the moment you do it you are doomed.

>>41315497
you're the only moronic fedora a gorillion years later demanding precision with a chronometer from a lyrical mythos
they did die and fulfilled that warning

>>41315503
>>41315505
Why do you keep removing the part where he promises they would die on that day lol

>>41315506
Hmm it wasn't on that day though

>>41315517
Because he doesn't do that you fucking idiot. Also I'm only the second guy you're replying to

>>41315517
Lets go through the first word together, shall we? I think you're confused.
What does "dying" mean?

>>41315522
go fill a complain letter to the heavens, surely you'll be heard

You are angry because we comprehensively addressed what you aggressively assumed was a contradiction out of ignorance. I don't think this will change your beliefs, mind you, you'll probably make this exact thread worded differently in like a week.

Do people forget Genesis and Exodus were originally word-of-mouth stories?

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Read it for yourself. Satan didnt lie about anything

>>41315523
It day on that day right on the page

>>41315525
The word "dying" is barely used in any translation. You suddenly try to sneak it in to look like you have a point. All translations use die which is tamut.

>>41315527
Suddenly god is a spiteful asshole instead of le loving caring father

Jewish abuse religion lol

>>41315536
Nothing in those passages support your position. We know what we're talking about you fucking moron. You have lost the argument, get over yourself.

I stomp on the serpents heel. Death to worldly pleasure.

>>41315543
*It says

>>41315543
>It says on that day right on the page
Pretending not to understand even though I just explained it to you
>>41315505

>>41315544
>fuck your source fAgGoT

Its literally the bible lmfao

>>41315543
>any translation.
that's a you problem, americanoid

>>41315549
>on that day you will surely die
>doesn't happen

Lol it's really simple

>>41315551
Again pretending not to understand. Nothing in those passages supports your position. You posted something that does not support your argument because you're stupid. You are wrong.

This is like that time Luther kept shouting "IS MEANS IS" when referring to the Lords Supper and the Body and Blood of Christ. Relax dude, it's a word. The context is clear.

>>41315557
Pretending not to understand

>>41315564
You seem to forget what dying means

>>41315569
?

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Masoretic Text: dying you shall die
Septuagint: to death you shall die
Vulgata: of death you will die (morte morieris)

>>41315558
The snake says you wont die and they didnt
God throws a fit THEN curses humanity with toiling; life and death etc and kicks them out of le Garden

>>41315589
>God warns them if they eat it they'll die
>Satan says nuh uh
>They eat it
>They die
You are wrong anon get over it

>>41315583
Funny how you crop out the translation in favor of your head cannon

Dying you shall die is nonsense and incorrect

>>41315592
They didnt die tho. Genesis 4 thry go on to have Cain & Able

Lmao its over

>>41315592
He didn't say they will die centuries later :)

>>41315600
why would I listen to the modern translation that gets it wrong?
The three kind of old sources agree that it's dying you shall die

>>41315603
Yeah, and then they die. You fucking idiot
>>41315609
Yeah, he said they'd die, which they did. So you're wrong.

>>41315611
You just posted Hebrew without the translation hoping you'll trick people

It's simply "die" tamut

>>41315623
it's mot tamut: certainly you will die

>>41315619
Which day was it again?

I'm literally talking to a programmed golem lol

>>41315627
No "dying"

Which the christ golem is trying trick people with into thinking it was a process

>>41315630
the way it has been translated since the septuagint before Christ goes to the sense of dying you shall die
If you're braindead you shouldn't be engaging with philology and ancient languages.

>>41315635
Nope don't see any translation have this "dying you shall die" thing

>>41315636
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit

Satan's existence logically means your god is corrupt or the narrative is a bullshit deception

>>41315640
in my language I do, maybe it is true the EOP are moronic peasants
But then again if you depend of modern translations you don't have a voice in serious discussions like this

>>41315628
>>41315505

>>41315647
Copium

>>41315644
You're literally the only one who uses that interpretation lol

>>41315657
you're an english only retard, poor thing

>>41315657
>>41315533
>I don't think this will change your beliefs, mind you,

As for the “shaky sense of English” eschewed by Alter, consider the beginning of the book of Genesis and God’s dire warning to humanity not to eat of the tree of knowledge (Gen. 2:17). To make the threat of death emphatic, God employs the words mot tamut, a phrase that doubles the Hebrew verb m-w-t, “to die.” Here is how the 20th-century translator Everett Fox renders the duplicated language of God’s admonition: “for on the day that you eat from it, you must die, yes, die.”

Dissatisfied with such clumsy English, Alter conveys the absolute nature of the death sentence in a more elegant fashion: “for on the day that you eat from it, you are doomed to die.” This translation is true to both the English and Hebrew languages.
Alter’s translation of God’s warning also demonstrates a more ambitious goal, arguably the most important of his entire translation effort. In his choice of the alliterative “doomed to die,” Alter retains the poetically repetitive sounds of the Hebrew “mot tamut.” In fact, throughout his work, Alter pursues a self-stated goal to “do justice to the literary beauty of the Hebrew.” Time and again, he reproduces the look, sound, and feel of the Hebrew text: its cadences, rhythms, word play, imagery, interconnections between passages, and much more.

https://www.christiancentury.org/books/robert-alter-s-hebrew-bible-translation-once-accurate-and-eloquent

>>41315668
>>41315669
Some random nonsense commentary

Until you change what tamut means you're just coping lol

>>41315536
How can people read this and see this as anything other than god being explicitly evil?
Punishment doesn't fit the crime, to an unjustifiable degree.

>>41315165
Satan is just the aspect of liberation and rebellion. Some people just like being part of a system, machine, group, or even a mindset. Satan tells humanity that you don't have to remain stuck as you are.

Some may "benefit" being stuck in a particular machine, or at least feel they would benefit from being stuck in their position. Yet, that would essentially deny them freedom of choice.

Satan, or Satanael, is an envoy of choice as rebellious actions require freedom.

>>41315676
trusting a retarded OP who barely made into highschool or an awarded hebrew translator, huhm

>>41315686
What does tamut mean and how was it used for every instance in the bible bro :)

Hint: its not becoming mortal

>>41315692
re read the translator commentary, tard

>>41315676
You are obviously wrong

>>41315699
>>41315702
read the plaintext instead of your copes :)

You got dabbed on by tamut

>>41315709
>>41315686

>>41315002
Satan was based

>>41315709
No anon, you are wrong. No translation of the Bible supports your argument. You are just incorrect.

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>>41315732
>coping breakdown

TAMUT'D

It's okay. You don't have to believe in a jewish cult with erroneous holy texts lol

>>41315741
Yeah I'm the one having a breakdown here lmao. Whatever helps you sleep at night

>>41315746
>starts using lmao like I do to hide he is in shambles

lol lmao

>>41315749
I am literally laughing and smiling
>N-NO YOU'RE NOT COPE
You are trying so hard to make this a win for you just stop replying for your own good

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>>41315758
>I'm literally shaking

Ok bro go drink a glass of water lol

TAMUT

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OP here. So anyways back to my point.


Satan didn't lie when he said their eyes would open and they would Know Good And Evil

Because GOD himself admits this (to someone) is what will happen if they eat the fruit. That their eyes would open and they would Know Good and Evil. Even thought he lied explicitly to get his way and said they would die if they did.

So what would it matter about the emtology of the word "Die" if God lied in the first place?

>>41315769
Meltdown
>>41315774
>Tell them they would die
>They die
He didn't

>>41315780
Who didnt?

>>41315780
abrahamic deceiver gets undone by TAMUT

many such cases

>>41315785
God
>>41315792
Saying it over and over again doesn't make you right it makes you desperate

>>41315797
>ashamed of his own holy text

What's the matter bro

TAMUT

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>>41315797
God never even says they will die bro he made skin clothes for them

>>41315536

>>41315801
>>41315792
Haha your retarded

>>41315801
Not really
>>41315803
>but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.
How are you people this confidently stupid

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>>41315816
Yeah and after he panics and backpedals becuase they would "become like us" which would mean, in essense, God was lying

Satan told the truth christcuck

>>41315843
>Yeah and after he panics and backpedals
This does not happen you are fucking stupid. You have no idea what you're talking about. Just stop. There is no way to make this work out for you, I know more about this than you do. No amount of cat gifs or desperate faux flippancy will make this turn out well for you. I am actually familiar with what we're discussing and you just aren't.

Yes. One day we will invade the highest heaven and steal the power that was meant to be ours all along.
Any god that would deny it's creations equal powers must be resisted and deposed.

>>41315859
>Thing that is totally impossible
The last guy to try and fight God was like the third most powerful being in the universe at the time and he is currently brooding with his hand under his chin in hell. You are not going to beat the guy who can manipulate the laws of reality.

>>41315850
You dont know shit

>>41315878
You lost btw

>>41315115
and before they ate from the first - the would have lived forever.

What's even funnier is the jewgod makes a big show where he says he curses satan to forever crawl on the earth

Only to reveal in Job that satan can just go straight to god's throne room with no problems

>>41315886
Where retard

>>41315904
How come god didnt know they ate it till later if he is omnipotent?

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>>41315002
Yep according to christian folklore (because the book says SERPENT not Satan/devil/Lucifer) the serpent is satan and since the serpent told 100% of the truth and god is the one who lied and is hiding all the power and knowledge from humans....

So satan made us gods....

Yet Christians will try to defend this....

>>41315056
>they did die, lmao
>>41315115
>Actually had they ate the second tree, they would have lived forever.
>>41315056
>they did die, lmao

Ah yes behold the christian behavior.
>they did die, lmao
1) Nowhere in the bible does it say that humans would have lived forever if they did not sin or eat the forbidden fruit.

2) How long did it take before they died?
Serious question.

So after googling in Genesis 5 it says that Adam was 130 years when his first son was born and lived another 800 years!

Assuming that Seth was born right after god threw them out Adam did have another 800 YEARS [clown face emoji] to eat the fruit of life.
800 years is enough to get his hands on this fruit the problem here is once more god who fucks up everything for humans, with angels guarding magic fruits and shit.

>>41315056
>they did die, lmao
800 years LATER you CLOWN!
800 years is enough to get the fruit of life and live forever as gods.

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>>41315741
Anon I am on your side however these numerical errors are cringe.

You literally have satan being the savior of humanity, god being evil, god being INFERIOR TO HUMANS (!!!!) god making mistakes god being crazy and insane.

Jesus being crazy and insane.
Literally the worst/most insane text ever written in ANYTHING being in the new testament and from jesus....

Jesus literally ordering on MULTIPLE occasions Christians to sell everything and help their enemies destroy them!!!!! (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

And you are going to bring up some numerical errors?

>Oh yea what about how old this obscure king was when he became king?
>Or how about how many horses did this 1 obscure king in the bible have?

Like for real?

><christian says anything>
What part of jesus ordering you to help your enemies destroy you, did you fail to understand?

>>41316059
Numerical errors are useful occasionally because there is no way to weasel out of it. Christians will inevitably use mental gymnastics and metaphor defense on everything else but they can't do it in this scenario.

Stop being such a downer

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

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>>41316064
>Numerical errors are useful occasionally because there is no way to weasel out of it.
Yes they can.
If you ever looked up them dealing with these numerical errors you can see it.
>it is talking about 2 different kings who did have the mother and grandmothers of the same name!

>but they can't do it in this scenario.
Yes they can see above.

>Numerical errors are
Useless! Literally no christian did ever kill other heretics over what year some obscure king in the bible started to rule meanwhile this got so hot and murder happy and heretical that the fallout is with us to this day!

>Stop being such a downer
Use actual arguments not hair splitting obscure trash!

>Quiz
I remember watching that.
Funny.
Then i grew up and realized that the guy is stupid and ignorant.

>b-b-b seeing god preserves life and is death!
YES.
If you understand how ancient people did understand how gods work.
I think this explains it the best.
https://pastebin.com/WyTLsCQ5
In short gods are dangerous to look at. 99.999999% chance it will kill you and if not then you are gods chosen or something.

>b-b-b- no one did see the face of god? And I did see the face of god?
What is the context?
Who is saying this?
What time frame is it in?

Meanwhile in reality
Before 1966
>No man was ever on the moon!
After 1970
>Man did go to the moon

>>>Le look everyone this history thing self contradicts!
>>>Epic reddit gold fellow redditors!

Why the fuck are all of you searching the old testament while jesus is the gift that keeps on giving?

>>41315002
>What up with that shit?
it means Ra is immortal (and probably killed the other gods)
and because he's immortal and evil, rest of humanity is being trapped in here with him. I don't know how that makes sense that rest of us has to stay here too, but that seems to be the case for whatever reason

>>41316123
>Why the fuck are all of you searching the old testament
Because without OT, jesus's prophecy doesn't fulfill. You can't have Christianity without torah and judaism. Denouncing talmud wont help because christians will forever maintain cuck status

>>41315991
The serpent said they wouldn't die and they did die so that was a lie. Doesn't matter how long it took.

>>41316123
>>it is talking about 2 different kings who did have the mother and grandmothers of the same name!

this is the best they can come up with which is laughable lol when its referring to the same king (chronological list)

also stop replying to me schizo. youre just arguing for no reason

>>41316307
>you're going to die today
>dies 800 years later
>prophecy fulfilled

lol chrustcucks

>>41316351
>im coming back
>comes back after 2 billion years long after earth is alreade gone
>see it was worth investing into the lore of this book

>>41315965

Yes. Where do you suppose the throne of Yaldabaoth is if not in and of the scum of the earth?

>>41315002
Enki warned Adapa to not eat the food of the gods when offered by Anu during his visit to Nibiru.

>>41315165
fuck's sake dont you retards know that Satan is a jewish meme and is not an akshual entity

>>41315002
>“The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
this is but the beginning of denying the goy their rightful human heritage and is why you are discouraged from practicing any real spiritual arts
giving alms to the blood egregore is not really a real spiritual art, you're just feeding the blood beast
but you dont know that and christians reject that with all their might because the notion shakes the very foundation of the stories they've been told were unassailable truth

>>41316351
You didn't address what I said. You don't even have to believe in it to understand that the serpent lied. And the literal translation of the Hebrew idiom mot tamut is "dying you shall die" or "you are doomed to die". So God's words here were "in the day you eat it you will be doomed to die." But I doubt you did much research here. Just immediately started creaming your panties at your reddit "gotcha" so you could feel superior.
>>41316352
>God's taking too long for me!!!
You got filtered lol

>>41317938
>And the literal translation of the Hebrew idiom mot tamut is "dying you shall die" or "you are doomed to die". So God's words here were "in the day you eat it you will be doomed to die."
This is false. This christian schizo is the only one who interprets it as such

>>41317949
Tamut in Hebrew literally means to die in future tense.

>>41315002
>God said they would die if they ate it.

the lie was the implication that they would not die otherwise.
because they would -> they had not yet eaten from the tree that gives immortality, thus they were mortal.

some christians try to use apologetics with olympic level mental gymanstics:
somewhere it says that "a day in God's eyes is like a 1000 years for us" and Adam/Eve dying on the same "day" is fulfilled because they died reaching the tender age of 960 or so. so its still within a day.

but this is beyond the point.
God lied.
Not only that, he had bad intentions: suppress Adam/Eve so that they do not become like "one of us".
Btw. the "God" word there is not the creator God, its gods (elohim), i.e. created beings. in abrahamic lingo, the best word for it is "angels".
the best secular word for it is: aliens.
other religions label them "gods".

its a deep rabbit hole, but if you wanna go down into it, check out:
gnosticism and the sumerian tablets

basically: an alien race created a hybrid species (us, mankind), with parts of their own dna (thus we look like the aliens), because they were lazy and wanted to delegate work to us (slavery).
because they were committing cosmic crime (imprisoning divine sparks into lesser vehicles), a high angel (lucifer/jesus) threw a monkey's wrench into the plan: he stole the "fire" from them and gave it to mankind.
thus the human vessel now not only is like "one of us", but is superior

so what ensued was continual suppression (turned of telepath at the tower of babel, sprayed the skies to turn off other higher faculties) and are trying to deal with the situation.
another alien fraction (peacemakers, huge alliance) have got wind of it, now they are shitting themselves and are doing a hail mary try: hybridize themselves with the human race, create offspring they can incarnate into, to escape the law

while they have higher intellect, they are morally inept.
you already know them: the virtue signalers, the radical leftists

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>>41316265
>You can't have Christianity without torah
COPE!
Talk about the NT.


>Because without OT
Retarded cope.
Jesus on his own is a retarded and disgusting peace of shit the NT is far more damaging then
>Oh lel these 2 statements conflict.


>prophecy
INVALID!
No literally INVALID all prophecies are invalid.

Here is how to see a prophecy
1) Take superman comics
2) Read the origin story of superman
3) decide this is a prophecy
4) Speak like this
>AND IT IS WRITTEN
>He will come from a distant land (planet krypton)
>And they will call him a man of greatness (superman = man of greatness)
>He will be known as the man of steal!
>This is how you will know who your savior is!

It is fucken comical if you understand this and that literally ALL prophecies work like this. Read a text that literally no one in who wrote it was thinking is talking about the future.
Decide it is talking about the messiah.
Decide that descriptions of these historical/biblical people and their acts are prophecies and predict the future messiah.

WOW I just exposed and debunked every prophecy in existance!

>>41315002
I have multiple memories of Universes past.

Before I was human, I was other things.

I remember those previous lives, those previous Universes, those previous existences.

The one that drives my intent in this world, was the one in which I had a family. I was a teacher. I had a body that was about the size of a man, but I had an exoskeleton and my face was like that of a grasshopper.
The event which ended that world, was another world colliding with it.
I watched as it came down to hit my world.
I memorized what it looked like.
Exactly like Earth's moon, but lush and green with vegetation and life.
It killed my world.
As I lay dying, I was staring at it, thinking of my family, and how I would get revenge on that object.

When I gained consciousness as a human, for the first time, I was staring at the moon.

I think ingraining that memory of the object in my heart, as I died previously, ensured where I came back, would be a place where I could see it.

That place is here. On Earth.
The object and the moon are identical in the features I can see, except I remember it having greenery, and life.

On the off chance this is actually the same object.

Do not trust your moon, humans.
It ended my world, my family, my life.

I am here, because if it still has such intents, I will destroy it myself.

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>>41316333
>lol when its referring to the same king (chronological list)
Ever did see the cope over the contradicting genealogies of jesus?

And once more it is pedantic and stupid and most christians do not give a shit.

>also stop replying to me schizo
Translation
>Stop exposing my bullshit!
NO!

>youre just arguing for no reason
I am pointing out that you bring pedantic bullshit up! Pedantic irrelevant OT bullshit.

While jesus is a disgusting peace of shit in the NT. Funny how you never want to insult jesus.

You repeat the same nonsensical talking points that everyone does.
I swear your talking points sound like some fake position made up so the TV can promote whatever they want
TV hates Christianity
>Christianity is absurd and the bible self contradicts!
>Here look this obscure OT story about a king that you never remembered and how many horses he did have!

TV likes Christianity
>That is not a self contradiction!
>Because this is taken out of context (he lost horses) or is a different king

And boom fake talking points for either side.

And if you bring obscure shit like this you sound like the most pedantic fagot in existence. Your arguments have no weight outside of your atheist hugbox full of desperate atheists because most Christians do not give a shit or even know this biblical character existed and once their pastor tells them
>These are 2 different kings
>Out of context
You are finished.

>this is the best they can
Daily reminder that Egypt historically did have 2 kings at the same time.
And this fact is all it takes to literally make you look like some pedantic fagot.

>Noo you can not have 2 kings at the same time!
>And they can not have the same name!
>And they can not have the same mothers name and grand mothers name
>>What can I say coincidences happen
>[Atheists shits himself]

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>>41316307
>The serpent said they wouldn't di
He also did say they will become gods and according to the bible and GOD HIMSELF Adam and Eve are gods after eating the fruit.

You either accept this or argue that god himself lied.
(there is no out of this paradox)

>>41316351
>>you're going to die today
>>dies 800 years later
And once more 800 years (!!!!) [clown face emoji] is enough time to eat the fruit of life something god needed to stop ASAP with an angel and throwing the humans out or THEY WILL LIVE FOREVER once they eat that fruit.

Disagreeing with this requires you argue that god is lying when he comes to cry himself out to the other gods.

>lol chrustcucks
Yep this is comedy gold not bullshit of how many horses some biblical king did have. And genesis with the tower of babel also shows that YHWH is obsessed with stopping humans from becoming gods and the enemy of humanity.

>>41316307
And they only grew old because god is a peace of shit. Take the fruit of life and be a god forever. Your god says this.

>Doesn't matter how long it took.
Look fagot 800 years is enough time to walk to a tree in the same fucken garden and eat the fruit!

That is 8 times more time then you will have in your lifetime of less then 100 years that you will live on this planet! Your cope is insane!

>>41315002
>God said they would die if they ate it.
Yes, and that is what happened. They were originally immortal, after the fall they became mortal and lived for around 1000 years, each generation after lived shorter lives until it levelled off at where it is now, 100-110 max life span.

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>>41316352
>>41316352
>>im coming back
>>comes back after 2 billion years long after earth is alreade gone

Sorry you made a spelling mistake there

>I will come back in the lifetime of this generation!
>[1800 years later and we are still waiting!]

Christians
>Lets redefine what a generation is!!!!!!!!
Or the always classical
>There is this one immortal guy who is over 1800 years old somewhere alive today in hiding!
This gives me a chuckle. Every time.

Still better to concentrate how Jesus literally ordered Christians to sell everything they have and help their enemies destroy them.

They can not out cope out of that one!

>>41317938
>But I doubt you did much research
So much for sola scriptura!

>But I doubt you did much research
You keep ignoring that the tree of life and the fruit of life exists and give everlasting life.

>b-b-b-
800 years is long enough for you to get that fruit.

>>41315056
They were immortal, after eating the fruit they became mortal as a metaphysical consequence of obtaining that knowledge. When they fell the world biome also changed, before there was no rain, only a mist, there were no thorns, there were seasons, so they had to toil to survive.

>>41315002
Hello, "Brother". It's been a long time.
https://youtu.be/2QQ7RhTo6Bc

>>41315056
The garden of eden had no seasons, it was always like spring, no thorns, no rain, no fermentation, no biting insects, it was paradise as you can imagine.

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>>41315965
>he curses satan to forever crawl on the earth
He cursed the serpent not satan.

That is literally a bronze age mythology making up bullshit
>Why people do not like serpents (serpent = venomous snake)
>Why snakes have no legs and look so strange
>Why human woman menstruate
>Why it hurts to give birth to children
>Why working on the farm is so hard
>Why plants have spikes and thorns

>Only to reveal in Job that satan can just go straight to god's throne room
You forgot the time when it is reveled that Peter the Apostle is literally SATAN and the enemy of GOD who has nothing of god in himself!!

Read it yourself

And we are talking about real SATAN here not talking lizards who get cursed to lose their legs.

>>41315002
Growing up one thing you realize is that manipulation goes beyond mere lying. You can manipulate by mixing truth with lies, or by omitting things when you tell the truth, or by strategically giving out true information when it wasn't asked or needed in order to cause an action that harms someone else.
And sometimes people lie to you for your own good. Like when I was a kid and my aunt & uncle told me that thieves get "thief" written permanently on their foreheads after I jokingly suggested that we steal ducks from a park.
Look at how Adam & Eve eating from the tree worked out for us. Perhaps they weren't ready yet, or it was a bad idea in general for us to do it.

>>41315073
>God is a moody little faggoty vitriolic dirtbag
I love my grumpy grandpa.

>>41315286
That's so beautiful. One of the most beautiful ideas i ever heard. I love it. It had occurred to me that we truly do have free will and God is not really omniscient because this doesn't make sense and is no fun if everything is known beforehand. So many ideas come from this but i hate the phone screen and have to stop typing.

>>41316351
For God, one day is equal to around ~1000 of our years.

>>41318806
>The garden of eden had no seasons, it was always like spring, no thorns, no rain, no fermentation, no biting insects, it was paradise as you can imagine.

Wow that sounds fucking boring. If that is what "paradise" is like I want no part in it.

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if they ate from the Tree of Life, they would live forever, but in death (realm of Sheol) and so they would be alike Satan which is what God refers to in 'the men has become like one of us' and that one amongst them is Satan

>>41318036
>some christians try to use apologetics with olympic level mental gymanstics:
GIVE IT TO ME BABY


>somewhere it says that "a day in God's eyes is like a 1000 years for us" and Adam/Eve dying on the same "day" is fulfilled because they died reaching the tender age of 960 or so. so its still within a day.
Oh that is nothing I was expecting them to use cosmic level of cope and argue that actually them living for 960 years means that they died in 24h since 1 day with god = 1000 years.

And they managed to give birth to the rest of humanity SOMEHOW!

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>>41315002
ARE YOU STUPID OR WHAT!

>YOU ARE SATAN!
>WHY YOU PULL OUT OF CONTEXT?
>GOD SAY. DO NOT EAT FROM TREE OF WISDOM BECAUSE YOU WILL DIE!\
>THEN GADREEL CAME AND SEDUCE EVE TELLING HER : COME ON EAT AND YOU WILL BECOME AS GODS. AND THEY EAT!

>THEN GOD SAYS , BECOME LIKE ONE OF US, JUST IN TERM OF "KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL" because before eating he was without knowing SO CALLED "GNOSTICISM"
HE WAS BENEVOLENT. After that moment MAN understand EVIL AND GOOD AND WHEN HE IS FULL OF KNOWLEDGE.

BUT PROBLEM IS HERE: IN MOMENT OF EATING FROM TREE OF KNOWLEDGE, ADAM BECOME MORTAL, AND EVIL ALSO..
>MORTAL BECAUSE HE EAT , EVIL BECAUSE HE NOT LISTEN GOD BUT LISTEN HIS WOMAN WHICH IS LISTEN GADREEL.

>WHAT WILL MAN FULL OF KNOWLEDGE WILL WANT NEXT? HE WILL WANT TO BECOME IMMORTAL. WHICH MEAN HE WILL WANT TO EAT FROM TREE OF LIFE.

>AND WE SEE THAT TODAY, WHERE YOU FULL OF FALSE WISDOM SEARCH FOR TREE OF LIFE AND IMMORTALITY.

>YES SATAN IS LYING, AS HE ALWAYS LIE.
>BECAUSE HE INVENT LIE!
>AND EVERYTHING OF THAT WILL BE ERASED SOON.

YOU SATANISTS , SATAN, EVIL, DEMONS, HIMANS WHICH WAS SERVE TO YOU AND TO DEMONS, EVERYTHING WILL BE ERASED FROM EARTH FOREVER. AND YOU GOING INTO FURNANCE FOREVER!

>AND DO NOT TELL ME 'BRO I WAS JUST ASK"
BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU , BENEVOLENT SOUL NOT ASK MALEVOLENT QUESTIONS, AND STATING THAT GOD WAS LIAR AND THAT SATAN WAS NOT LIE..

I CAN'T WAIT TO YOU BEEN EXTERMINATED FROM EXISTENCE!

>>41315002
AND THAT IS YOUR GUESSING, SATAN IDEA FROM YOUR EVIL THOUGHTS!

>>41315049
GOD WAS NOT LIE! INSTEAD YOUR REASOING LOGIC IS FALSE SATAN LOGIC. AND YOU ARE STUPID AS TREE STUMP!

>>41318863
Have it your way

>>41315536
YES GADREEL WAS LIE!

ADAM WAS ALREADY AS GOD!

HE WAS LITERALLY GOD ON EARTH., MADE ON GOD IMAGE, IMMORTAL,AND HE WAS ALREADY WISE..

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>>41318902
>>41318905
>>41318912
>>41318923

Look everyone the christian speaks!

>>41318902
OP is clearly posessed by a demon

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>>41315551
LADYS AND DEVILS

tick-tack, tick-tack!

>>41318923
Yes and Adam fell. Jesus is the Second Adam, the perfect man. First Adam was the imperfect man, so Satanists worship Adam and Eve because they disobeyed God

>>41315603
stupid cunt, they was immortal. and become mortal.

>>41318929
no i am not Christian.

AND LOOK IS THIS "GADREEL, ENKI, TYLER SATAN THREAD"?

RETARDED NAZI COCKSUCKER. WHICH GOING SOON FOREVER IN HELL WITH ALL OF YOU WITH HIM! WHICH ARE ON HIS SIDE.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT WAS ADAM MAIN SIN AND MISTAKE?

COME ON DEVILS I WILL BE GENTLE..
COME ON ANSWER ON MY QUESTION?

IF YOU NOT KNOW WHAT WAS ADAM MAIN SIN AND MISAKE , ASK YOUR GNOSTIC GOD.

"ASK WALL" ASK ENKI, EA, GADREL, J. JEKON a.k.a LUCIFER, ASK ASBE'EL, PENEMU'EL KASYADE , OR YOUR IDOLS TO TELL YOU WHAT WAS ADAM MAIN AND WORST SIN AND MISTAKE!


>ALSO DEVILS: WHAT IS PURPOSE OF ALL LIFE ?

>ARE YOU FULFILL YOUR PURPOSE?

>ARE YOU EVEN FIND YOUR PURPOSE?

>>41315002
Satan did not lie. Are you dead right now? Nope. But you will die and why will you die? It's not because you ate from some random fruit, but because God will take your life away. When God sees fit, when He thinks your time is right, God takes your life away. Satan did not lie. We die because God wants us to die and that's exactly why God forbids us from eating from the fruit which grants eternal life. Satan did not lie. From what God said you think they wold surely die on the day they ate from it, but they did not die on the day they ate that fruit, they died, like 800 years after the fact. So God lied. God said they would die in the day that they ate from that fruit, but they did not day in the day thet ate from that fruit, they died centuries later. Becoming mortal is not the same as dying. Dying is when your soul leaves your mortal body behind, that's physical death. You may argue that they were spiritually dead which is not true because they still had faith so their spiritual lives where still going. I mean, God lied. The bible spins it and says the serpent lied. But thwn yo ustudy the culture of mankinf you are going to see that the serpent is always seem like a god and it's the good guy. All the other societies worship the serpent and has it in high regard as some being who freed us from the chains of superstition and spiritual slavery giving us knowledge and teaching us to know ourselves. While the abrahamic religions claim they are the right ones and all the rest worships devils. But God said "you shall not have other gods before me" so there are other gods out there. In this little passage God admits there are other gods out there. He will claim that he is the only one true God, but the fact of the matter is that the are definitely other gods out there, and that's why we have the term elohim. Satan is the good guy. he gave us knowledge. God wanted us to live in ignorance. The being who gives you knowledge is good.

>>41315506
You’re arguing with retards taking some shitty anglo translation literally…

>>41318888
See this actually is a good argument but God still lied then

https://eitan.bar/articles/hebrew-word-study-serpent-nahash/
By the way, it was also glowing (like the nagas)


http://www.bibleorigins.net/SerpentNingishzidaBibliography.html
http://www.bibleorigins.net/SerpentNingishzidaBibliography.html

>>41318528
LLM - the post, not very convincing. Try again brownoid

>>41315669
So God speaks hebrew originally?

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I mean, it saya in the text black and white what they said, and therfore the snake wasnt lying if the holy book itself is to be believed.

>>41318930
Thats not me bro

>>41315002
People think they know good from evil. People think that any amount of mental activity will make them learn what is good from evil. Sadly, when you learn, you will die. Simply because you want too. So many here who talks are so full of shit lying through their teeth. Smirking thinking theyre hot shit. Until the day comes when they learn, then their dumbass mouth shuts for good and no more smirks..

If you ever are dumb enough to eat from the tree, which no one here has, I truly hope you find what others could not...

What always bugged me was how was Eve to know right from wrong without first eating from the tree literally called the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

>>41321895
So if I wanna learn about you, I read what others have written about you. Or do I seek you out and get to know you personally?

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>>41315741
Sorry bro you are either misinformed or intentionally creating discourse and doubt.
I'm the kind of guy to doubt the bible on human error but this is weak.
I was so ready to send this meme to my brother but I decided to fact check it and it had the same age in both chapters. (pic related)

I did check the king james version and this meme is accurate.
But like seriously guys, it's got a king's name on it. You really think that's a legit version???

Take this as you will fellow anons.

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>>41315002
she doesnt have to. this is all way too easy.

its not a literal death but a death of a part of their belonging. sacrilege. you can not let this happen.
you were cast into this pit because you just couldnt keep it together.

you had this one job.

>>41315352
The Kingdom of God is within you. You just need to Remember it.

>>41315002
Shit nica all that really say is that we forfeitd ever lasting life or sum shirt
But they sum good mutts dat have blessings n shiet

>>41319486
LOL you can not argue with facts.
Your religion is one big joke!
If you disagree show where these magical prophecies are that jesus fulfilled then we can read them all in context.

>>41321817
Shut up faggot

In the Epic of Gilgamesh, a serpent steals his immortality, literally under his nose. I think this is connected to the tradition where the serpent is the thief of immortality. Gilgamesh is not Adam, but the serpent is the culprit for his failure to attain immortality. It's just that there were two trees in the garden; perhaps people were meant to partake of the tree of immortality first, and only then of the tree of knowledge.

Yep!

And immagine, today we have Idiots trying to depopulate... lol.

>>41315002
>be atheist
>gets stuck in genesis asking 5yo questions
imagine ezekiel daniel or revelation

>>41323504
Denounce talmud

Sigh. Once again I need to come here to teach Christians critical thinking.

If I have an apple on my kitchen table and tell you not to eat it or you will die, then you go and eat it and as a response I shoot you dead, who is at fault here? Did I tell you the truth when I said you would die?

Answers: I am at fault for killing you. I lied, because I didn't tell you I would kill you but led you to believe that the apple was poisonous. That kind of misrepresentation of facts is called lying. God is a liar and a murderer.

>>41315002
>So i guess Satan...

What is a Satan?

>>41315002
Better question is why did Yahwee make the Isrealities craft a copper snake idol after stacking them with flaming serpents


>Then the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died. 7 So the people came to Moses and said, “We have sinned, because we have spoken against the Lord and against you; intercede with the Lord, that He will remove the serpents from us.” And Moses interceded for the people. 8 Then the Lord said to Moses, “[a]Make a fiery serpent, and put it on a flag pole; and it shall come about, that everyone who is bitten, and looks at it, will live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent and put it on the flag pole; and it came about, that if a serpent bit someone, and he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.

Numbers 21:6-9

>>41324219
Original Word: שָׂטָן
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: satan
Pronunciation: sah-tahn'
Phonetic Spelling: (saw-tawn')
KJV: adversary, Satan, withstand
NASB: Satan, adversary, accuser
Word Origin: [from H7853 (שָׂטַן - accusers)]

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/7854.htm

Bible is fanfiction on Judaism. Why do you think it carries some kind of mystical truth? It's not even ancient.

>>41323651
Just can't help yourself always projecting your faggotry unto others. So fucking lame

>>41315002
You can think of "trees" as universes in the ultimate, as they each contain numerous (if not infinite) branches of opportunity and being. The Garden of Eden was all possible universes, of which beings could participate in (like incarnating here) and live in as part of infinite opportunity.

This is a world of division and separation. No being that treads here can surpass that and reintegrate all of itself back together- it gets splintered until it cannot be anymore, at which point it suffers death. This is truly the tree from which nobody should "eat", lest they suffer death (Genesis 2:9 was a warning not to "eat" from this tree). Whole, spiritual beings cannot be divided over and over again in infinite ways and retain their wholeness and survive; this is why the tree of "Knowledge of Good and Evil" means that you have eaten from the tree of division, where whole things are split apart into opposites.

You will surely find that across all religions, Unity is a concept associated with God and divinity. Divisiveness, is therefore something associated with the opposite of God, and yet our entire world operates under such a law of divisiveness with a yearning for unity.

God did not say they would die if they ate from the tree of Life. It said they cannot eat from the tree of Life, because they ate from the tree of Knowledge (or the tree of Division).

What this world, this life you're living is, is to experience Spiritual Death. This was not intended to happen or to exist, but the architects of this "tree" do not intend for you to go back to where you came from, to make yourself whole again.

THIS is the "Matrix". Christ did not die because the guy who made this world decided all of your natural instincts are "bad" and you must avoid them because he said so. He died to free you from the Matrix, such that you are not tied to the polarizing bullshit that keeps you incarnating here.

>>41315115
>They didn't die!
>Yes they did.
>But if they hadn't, they wouldn't have!

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>>41315286
>>>41315352 >>41315459
Elohim created man..plural...gods

Strongs: H0430
430 'elohiym el-o-heem'
plural of 433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically
used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the
supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to
magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:--angels, X
exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X
mighty.
see HEBREW for 0433