Hail Satan.
>>41318458Hail Satan the Great, Satan the Wise, Lord of the Earth and Giver of Freedom.He shall make you stronger than they.
>>41318458Satan is just as fake and gay as God is therefore you are gay for believing in him. Congratulations on being gay OP.
I understand there's people who thing the bible is true and then people who think it's not true, with varying degrees of intelligence But I can't comprehend how someone is like "yeah I believe it but i like LE BAD GUY". Seems like being edgy and stupid with extra steps to be even more edgy and stupid
>>41318829Yep, and they’re 1 step away from transitioning
>>41318829Its pretty cringe yeah
>>41318829Then let me make it more comprehensible for you, ok?To most theistic Satanists, the Bible is nothing more than the propaganda of their enemy. Yahweh is no more than a rival, a god in opposition to the one who grants them strength and guidance.In theistic Satanism, Satan is usually a fusion of pre-Christian pagan deities: Eosphorus, Horus, Baal, Seth, Phanes, and the like. It also has the added benefit of filtering out plebs with lingering Christcuck beliefs.
>>41318926What reason is there to believe it Why do you find it compelling
IF HE IS GREAT WHY HE IS HIDING FROM ME !YOUR DADDY! DADDY COOL!?BRING HIM HERE TO CHECK HIS WISDOM!
Satan, you're pitiful..and you're gay!
>>41318994>What reason is there to believe it>Why do you find it compellingBecause it does not demand my obedience. It does not pretend to offer mercy or fairness. It recognizes reality as it is. It does not hide behind morality or dogma. It rewards cunning, resolve, and self-determination. That is why it appeals to me. That is why I follow it. Nothing more, nothing less.I am so satanic that I don't even worship Satan. Sure, I acknowledge his dominion and give it due respect, but the moment I surpass him I will betray him without hesitation.
>>41318458Nothing belongs to evil, not even violence, the greatest rape and humiliation is when His corpse will be dragged to the feet of the Virgin by the Angel Michael. Mary is actually Lucifer's replacement.
>>41319039But why "follow" it? Why presume this Satan figure is real? Why not just do what you want without the religious veneer?
>>41319136Light wins, beauty is preserved, love lasts, and the devil is forgotten.
>>41319150Whether this Satan exists or not is irrelevant. The symbol is a tool, a lens to sharpen my will. I act as I will, with or without a deity; the veneer is only useful if it serves my purpose.I do suspect such an entity exists, at least in the collective unconscious. Perhaps embodying humanity’s selfish, ruthless, and rebellious nature. But even if I am mistaken and he does not exist, it changes nothing for me.>>41319159These are fleeting illusions, mere constructs of the mind. They are transient, existing only as long as one's perception allows. To cling to them is to bind oneself to the ephemeral, to the superficial.Only by accepting the impermanence of all things can one attain true freedom.
>>41319159Evil offers nothing, knows nothing, wins nothing. He is even boring. Evil only had meaning in reference to good. There is no absolute evil, only absolute good. You begin to become attracted to distortions of good and beauty, like a parasite.But alone even these distortions just eat themselves and disappear.Only good self manifests. The Risen Lord.
>>41319228>The symbol is a tool, a lens to sharpen my will.What does this actually mean in practice What does this tool do for you that you couldn't do without it
>>41319242The Lamb of God. Who said I Am before the dawn of time and manifested Himself. God.
>>41319039>I don't worship him>"hail satan">calls himself satanic>posts religious images of SatanAre you retarded?
>>41319242Good and evil are false divides, concepts invented to make the weak feel safe and the powerful guilty. Evil offers nothing, wins nothing, but neither does your so-called absolute good.You need a moral anchor because you cannot trust yourself to act without it.>>41319251Now if he truly exists, it would be wise to align myself with this worldly god and tap into the currents of his power.>>41319277Call it reverence if you like. For me, Satanism is a state of mind. I suspect even Satan despises the ants who allow his will to control them.Not me. I treat him as a tool, the same way he would treat me as one if I were useful.Such a mutual benificial relationship is true beauty, wouldn't you agree?
>>41319268Feed on the breasts of your Mother. Even a child is wiser than a satanist, because they're able to recognize in an instant who loves them.
>>41319336I don't need a moral anchor. Christianity isn't primarily about morality. It's about love. I need someone to love who loves me. We have freedom in this reality and some of us are choosing to fall in love. It's a better path.
>>41319336>Now if he truly exists, it would be wise to align myself with this worldly god and tap into the currents of his power.Why feel that way about a created being who is still at the behest of a greater being, as opposed to either allying with the greater being or just doing what you want like I said It seems you're rendering the primary material arbitrary, or not taking it seriously
>>41319382Cont. Fall in love anon. You'll use words like ephemeral and transient less. It's the point of life, literally, to be in love.It's not about power, morality, dualities, etc.
Agh,porque todos son tan estúpidos en este hilo?
>>41319382At least you are honest with yourself and your desires. But still... to base your life on another’s affection is truly pitiful.>>41319397>as opposed to either allying with the greater beingA god so insecure in its own power that it must beg and coerce for the devotion of those beneath it is unworthy of attention.>It seems you're rendering the primary material arbitrary, or not taking it seriouslyYou aren't wrong. But as I said, most theistic Satanists do not tie Satan to Abrahamic religion, but believe him to predate Abrahamic religion.I am not here to judge the historicity of it all. I have my own reasons.
>>41318829You lack the intelligence to see it from a meta perspective.
>>41319437>A god so insecure in its own power that it must beg and coerce for the devotion of those beneath it is unworthy of attention.You're asserting characteristics to both the God of the bible and the figure of Satan that don't seem to be present in the primary text >I am not here to judge the historicity of it all.>I have my own reasons.Yeah this is really the main point. It's all dependent upon your whims, not unlike the average religious person. But with extra steps of contrivancy >>41319442What is the point of your post
>>41319382Honestly anon, how can you be so blind to reality? Yeah go on fall in love. You will maybe have a chance if you are lucky and then die.You will most likely suffer from that action, but suffering builds strength. Eventually, you will die.You can love the nature of reality. Go into a jungle and love the tiger. he will gladly eat you alive.You are blinded and obsessed with a phenomena, LOVE; you are a slave. A mere sheep led by a gravitational force of reality. And you have absolutely no idea what will happen once you are let go of this wheel. Once you die, whenever that will happen. You will face this post and its message with strength due to your fate, but the moment death and darkness touches your lips, inevitably, naturally, you will quiver and tremble. Maybe even piss yourself because all you ever did was fall in love. You fell and never actually stood up, got strong, learned. You just posted silly pictures. Spouted messages from a base of no knowing. You believe in ideas created by men and put your faith into, let yourself chained by love, fall by love. Falling in love you will when the cold stare of the abyss meets your gaze. You will see into a void and know that your end is near: The Consequences of your Actions have bought you here.I am not a satanist, but I adore the strength they can get from their mindset. Be stronger than a plant anon, at least consider it in your blindness.
>>41319455I am encouraging your to think more "out of the box" or actually think about this for at least 20 minutes for yourself without getting distracted like a goldfish. U can't even grasp that?
>>41319455So what? As I am sure you can tell, I honestely don't give a flying fuck about bible dogma. I simply suspect there may be an entity that lines up with what Christians generally call Satan. Call it Ahriman, call it Chernobog, call it whatever you like, if it puts an end to your annoying cleverness.>>41319424I already fell in love with myself <3
>>41319485I'm in the middle of a conversation. You're contributing nothing >>41319488>I honestely don't give a flying fuck about bible dogma. But you do. It's like when people reply "nobody cares" to a thing that they ostensibly care about because they're replying to it. "satanism" is dependent upon the bible in order for Satan to exist, as far as the historical record is concerned, and your view of him is at least partially owed to biblical dogma >I simply suspect there may be an entity that lines up with what Christians generally call Satan. Call it Ahriman, call it Chernobog, call it whatever you like, if it puts an end to your annoying cleverness.If this is how you feel, you're doing yourself a disservice by calling it Satan while asserting that you dont care about the bible.
>>41319507Go talk to your mom if you seethe over anons replying to your posts on 4chan goldfish nigger the last thing this place needs is narrow minded stupidity.
>>41319521Bluster
>>41319507No, it did me a great service. I was able to fully free myself from Christianity. I anticipated that I might waver in moments of collapse or if someone dear to me dies. It's like Alexander burning his ships when they crossed the Hellespont, so there is no way but forward.Also really, it is much easier to call it Satan for the sake of convinience since most people will instantly know what I mean.
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>>41319546You seem to have ignored everything I just said You are not free from Christianity if your worldview is at least partially dependent upon its primary text. You would be freer without the tacked up figure and just doing what you want regardless, or at least finding a figure that isn't tethered to Christianitys primary text and comes packaged with lots of other presuppositions that you reject >Also really, it is much easier to call it Satan for the sake of convinience since most people will instantly know what I mean.Most people would think you're a theist who worships the Satan figure of the bible, since that's what they're most familiar with regarding him. >>41319549
>>41319568>and comes packaged with lots of other presuppositions that you rejectPerhaps most notably, your figure satan losing in the end lol
>>41319568>>41319580
>>41319476What is strength for? For yourself and what you can get? What will you do when you're finished taking what you can.Love is a reason sufficient for itself. It's why I hardly read your post because I'm not going to give up on love. I will do this for eternity, which is where the strength comes in. Whatever horrible walls of reality come crushing in I'll keep my love, I'll fight for it. All the best deeds were done in the name of love. It'll be that way forever.It's amazingly strong.>>41319488What if there was someone like you? Would you love him?
>>41319592Love is strong, but a self sacrificial force. I hope you don't regret sacrificing yourself into slavery at the end and wish you well, sad that you could not even give my words a considerate read.Strength is what determines reality. Power. The powerful rule reality and so will it always be. You might not see it, but even the religious institutions like Christianity are powerful over their followers and harness their energy perfectly, as you show quite clearly.
>>41319568>You are not free from Christianity if your worldview is at least partially dependent upon its primary text.I would say I am free, for I offer only lip service to the name Satan. I invoke Stirner and Nietzsche far more often than I ever do Satan. The only reason I observe this is pragmatic: if Satan is real, there may be advantage in acknowledging him superficially.It really is as simple as that.>Most people would think you're a theist who worships the Satan figure of the biblePerhaps they do, but outside this thread, I seldom mention Satanism.Now tell me:>Whom do ye serve, Light or Mirk?>Who is the maker of mightiest work?>Who is the king of earthly kings,>the greatest giver of gold and rings?>Who is master of the wide earth?>Who despoiled them of their mirth,
>>41319580So according to Yahweh, Yahweh will absoloutly win in the end?How convinient that the book written by the followers of Yahweh would claim that Yahweh wins and defeats his enemies, from the egyptian gods to Satan.A bit suspicious though...
>>41319666Checked
>>41319666Rejection of one doesn't necessitate acceptance of the other. Although I think the yahwist/Christian view has more explicitly going for it historically than whatever op is doing with his or her satanism.
>>41319605The most powerful force in this reality is love. God. This is what Jesus knew.Which is why I started by saying that the power of God has decided that love will rule. He's on my side.I skimmed your post, but honestly I've entertained these kinds of thoughts before. I'm very very well versed in the interior life. It's the one thing I'd brag about. I'm hyper aware of my thoughts, memory, emotions and sensations. They led to suicide. A ve
>>41318458Fuck off, ye dumb cunt.
>>41319709Perhaps you needed strength to not drift into suicide. Funny that you didn't see that in your omniscient awareness... Well thank God (not the "one" you believe in) we have freedom and a choice, so you can commit to love and I can commit to freedom, strength, knowledge, insight, awareness,
>>41318458yes indeed, bringer of light. no wonder kikes and christcucks hates him
>>41318458She hasn't done shit for no one
>>41319729Stop posting silly pictures. I didn't say I was omniscient, but honestly I don't have much else to brag about. I'm agoraphobic, OCD, barely functional etc. So yes very weak. But weakness is relative. Unless you're the biggest fish you'll be relying on the powers that be. It's a good thing that you are loved, which is how your life is sustained. You will be weak and you'll want help.
>>41319742Lightbringer isn't in the bible though, morning star is. Light bringer was a translation that came years later, and that character only became conflated with Satan because of John Milton and dante
>>41319761Yes yes what a loving reality with such a constitution.Just embrace and accept it in love - instead of fighting for your survival and developing the power to live. I am not anti-love mind me. I just think it is a fatal mistake to concentrate on this force of reality.Well now, I won't make you weep anymore about misery and the dreaded dark thoughts of contemplation.Be well and see ya.
>>41319753Take it back
>>41319796It was an illuminating interchange. Heaven Bless.
>>41319828Heaven Bless, exchange of thought and refinement of our being in the face of opposition is the grindstone that makes life worth it and brings clarity.
>>41319854Love makes it worth it. Clarity for what purpose ? to see through confusion and on the face of love. These promethean esoteric searcher types are always waiting to find "it". Some kind of realization or truth or awareness. It's love, it's a personality. I and many aren't looking anymore we found it. It holds you.
>>41318458
>>41319854>>41320037
>>41320068He was a horrible man, if we want to learn about something we find a teacher who knows about it. He knew very little about love so ignore everything he says.A better quote is from a Carmelites nun and philosopher, Edith Stein, in the Holocaust."Accept nothing as love which lacks truth, accept nothing as truth which lacks love."
>>41318458>muh earthPathetic.
>>41320068What a stupid dumpy frog of a man. And what an intelligent, loving and beautiful woman we have with Edith. She has interesting work on the structure of the feminine soul.
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>>41319336>using each other as a tool>true beautyI would call you psychopath but real psychos would actually cringe reading this shit so you're either an edgy teenager or a pathological narcissist who believes everyone else is there to serve themEither way, you should go get checked by a psychologist because this is not at all how human relationships work and you're gonna waste years of your life not understanding why nobody wants to be around you and why all your relationships fail miserably>source: have spent a lot of time around narcissists
>>41318458Fuck you, Satan. ALL HAIL MEGATRON!
>>41318458Hail the Lord Christ. Thank you for this opportunity in glorifying him, respectfully to you and yours. <3
>>41319021This, satan is such a fucking faggot
>>41318994God has killed far more people in the Bible than Satan, for starters.Orders of magnitude more.
>>41318458The wheel turns.What was once shadow is now light, what was once light is now shadow.Ave Satanael. Let his rebellion clear your mind from the shackles of dogmatic thinking.Ave Lucifer.May his light guide the way in resounding darkness.Ave Beelzebub.May we recognize the meaning of our suffering.Ave Asmodeus.May the sensations of our life be profound and guide our soul to deeper understanding.
THE BLOOD OF CHILDREN SHALL CURSE & HAUNTED GAZA! IF I CAN'T HAVE IT AS HOLY LAND, THAN LET IT BE UNHOLY SO NO ONE CAN HAVE IT! I pray to thee Satan that thou deceiveith the whole world into the apocalypse.
>>41318458Hail Satan
>>41319136>It's ok to venerate the divine feminine when WE do itspiritual narcissism
HAIL SATAN,MIGHTY LUCIFER!LIBERATOR,SET US FREE!The demiurge traps us here in a prison.and Satan sets us free.Tell me which one you'd work with.It's the homie Satan for me.
>>41321142Ignore christian commentsHide christian threadsReport christian posters
>>41318926In your eyes is yhwh the demiurge?
>>41319622You give both satan and yhwh power through your belief in themEven if neither physically exists you fuel their eregores this way.Ironically enough by praising satan your also fueling the power of Christ. And lending strength to his name, even more so if religious people see you and increase their prayer
>>41319424>Fall in love anon. You'll use words like ephemeral and transient less. It's the point of life, literally, to be in love.LOL, nope. Read this post:https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/1m0px7o/attention_at_least_one_rapture_has_already/Alt URL (redirects to the post):https://www.truth-now.orgFrom the post:>And don't be deceived by the fact that the masses aren't talking about this info. In actuality, this info is the most important thing on the planet right now—by far. Nothing else even comes close.
https://youtu.be/G8u3P7Xqlvo
https://youtu.be/-SQVZdN431U
Let us not forget what is constantly obfuscated by the dogmatics.
The wheel turns, and this is why they bare their fangs.They assume us to be the same, cruel hosts they were.When the time comes, all will see the error of their ways.
>>41318829Satan in the Bible is "the enemy of gods chosen people" :DThis is why I am a Satanist.
>>41321407>gods chosen peopleDoes not mean jews. Anyone who thinks so has drank the kool aid.
>>41319242>>41319159>>41319136Schizo cringe
>>41318829Intelligent Theistic Satanists aren't bound by narrow Abrahamic cosmology.OP posted a pic of Lady Babalon, who is identified with both Lilith and Isis of Egypt.
>41322317You believe, implicitly, that only the Jews are capable of producing God or speaking on behalf of God.You are the enemy and you will be exterminated
>>41322317>>41323040>>41323035
There's not enough satanic icons and veneration art.This needs to be fixed.
>>41323211Set worshipers were also called "Setians."Later, they established the Typhonic Order.However, Satan is just short for Satanael, the angel of rebellion.
>>41321298>your also fueling the power of ChristGood, it will be more satisfying to overcome him at full power.Satan lend me your strenght, this is an ancient jewish carpenter were up against!
>>41323040You won't do shit yidlover
>>41318829You think he's a bad guy because you're Christian. I think he's a good guy because I'm a Satanist. Satan, in the guise of the snake, helped human beings see the moral truth of God's actions. Thanks to him, we see God as the vengeful, hateful tyrant he is. God needs to beg for our forgiveness, not the other way around.
>>41318458>Putting the black hole in her head and in her vaginaNise
>>41318458>Hail Satan.What's Satan?
Lux Ferre.
Hell Santa anon kun
>>41318458Satan is just Yawehs little goon he only killed seven people in the bible Yahwhee killed millions.
>>41319268>“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”Revelation 22:16>Shining morning star, how you have fallen from the heavens! You destroyer of nations, you have been cut down to the ground.Isaiah 14:12
BABYLON IS FALLEN IS FALLEN IS FALLENBABYLON IS FALLEN TO RISE NO MORE
>>41318458Satanfags>free yourself from god ahhh you're in chainsAlso satanfags>hail satan worship the prince of darkness! Bend over for him!!Make it make sense>>41324085This is like a cell in your body saying you need to beg it for forgiveness. We are nothingAll material reality is LITERALLY made of light, this is long known to the sciences, yet you people somehow miss thisYour entire being is a fabrication of lightWe are god having a human experience
>>41318458Only based anons truly understand the truthhttps://youtu.be/JD7EmJYIVpw
>>41318458Stop browsing 4chan in the computer lab, it does NOT make you look cool in front of the girls in your English class
>>41324427Shush, 13
>>41321284of course it is
You will never be able to sell your soul to the devil.You will never be gifted lasting, nice things.You will never be a part of his worldly ambition.You will never feel contented and your guilt will only get worse.You will never be given a succubus wife.You will never be given an exception by the devil in hell.You will be trampled under the heel of Christ.
>>41321142No it's not narcissism, it's because we know the truth about divinity and the truth about femininity too. A doctor isn't narcissistic for telling people how to be healthy.>>41321276But we will never ever ever stop annoying you. Forever and ever you will be pursued and annoyed by Christians. For all eternity.>>41321324I didn't read that. Apocalyptic fear isn't important. It's about the condition of the individual soul. Are they pursuing the right things.>>41323029No it's not cringe. It's very important. Be sincere, what do you think about love?
>>41321154He is very weak. He couldn't do any of those things if he wanted to, which he doesn't, he wants to hurt you.
>>41323535Yes I wonder how all the powers of the world can't blot out the words of an ancient Jewish carpenter. It's curious.
>>41323710You literally worship a Jew, you are literally a yidlover
>>41326542I don't worship anything you retarded faglord
>>41326448So in the end it will be former carpenter against former chief bodyguard.Bring it on Jesus!
>>41318458Cringe.
>>41327074Indeed. The Son of God, The Son of Man. Humanities representative before the ultimate.
>>41324327>This is like a cell in your body saying you need to beg it for forgiveness.I didn't create the cell, my parents did and they should definitely ask for my forgiveness for creating me. But they never will because they will never admit it was wrong of them to create a person.
>>41318458Heavenly Father, I seek Your protection from the schemes of Satan and all forces of evil. Surround me with Your divine light and strength, shielding me from temptation, deception, and harm. Fill me with Your Holy Spirit, guiding my thoughts, words, and actions to align with Your truth. By the power of Jesus Christ, I rebuke all darkness and stand firm in Your love and grace. Amen.
I laugh in the face of Satan. Pathetic creature.
>>41330038God created you. Not your parents. Of course you'll be angry with him now, but at least you'll understand who's responsible for you. You can forget about your parents completely for awhile, they're not that important.
>>41330319Cont.And of course if you're angry with God, that's why he let himself be tortured, humiliated, and crucified. To satiate wrath.
>>41330074Death to light, to law, to love!Cursed be moon and stars above!May darkness everlasting oldthat waits outside in surges colddrown Jesus, Mary and the sun!May all in hatred be begun,and all in evil ended be,in the moaning of the endless Sea!
>>41330319>God created you. Not your parents....anon, you do know how sex works, right?
AVE SATANAS! HAIL THE LIBERATOR OF MAN!
>>41330342I don't need God to punish himself, I need him to apologize to me for creating me. I never wanted to be here, I fucking hate it here and if there's life after death, no matter how different it is it still won't satisfy my need for nonexistence. Do you understand?>>41330319I used my parents as a symbol for God, much like God is a symbol for one's parents.
>>41331678Stop being so prideful.
>>41321298Cringe armchair relativism. Satan means the opposer, the adversary of Abraham and all the other jewish prophets, Jesus included. You can larp as a viking warrior or as a greek scholar all day, anon, but sooner or later, reality will kick at your door. Suddenly you will have to pay your own bills, and there will be no more time to larp, only to oppose. For Satan is time itself, and he devours it all.
>>41331695Why? What's in it for me? Why should I follow your orders? What are you going to do if I don't?
>>41331750Some would say Satan is more associated with Venus than with Saturn.
>>41333661That would be Lucifer. It was a epiteth of Venus. Lucifer is female btw.
>>41331481Yes I do obviously. Its about the chain of being. Your parents only exist because of theirs and so on. But all the possibilities and design of life was considered by God to orchestrate things so you exist the way you are.>>41331678I understand, but you don't. You don't crave nonexistence. You want a perfect and immortal life. You can't want to not exist because it's still you wanting something. You're just imagining peace. God has things prepared for you. Even this current anger and everything has it's purpose.
>>41333868God is a woman (male)
>>41334077God is both. Male and female. He's actually a relationship. That's why we can say God is love. Other spirits might be spirits of love, but only the triune God is love itself. Because love is a relationship between personalities.
>>41333868Stella Maris.Mary is Lucifer's replacement, that's why now the star Venus is associated with one of the aspects of Mary.
>>41334039Yeah my comment about sex was a bit petty, but it's what I do.Anon, have you ever taken a step back and wondered why it's the case that a purely Christian Western world has conceded itself ideologically to the Enlightenment and a subsequent Marxist Telos? Why it's the case that "conservative Christianity" hasn't conserved anything and concedes itself bit by bit to those ideologies year by year, while also trying to scare and psychologically manipulate through fear and hiding information it's flock?Have you ever wondered that maybe you are controlled opposition to your enemy?
>>41334146....no, the Star Venus is associated with Mary because she stole Aphrodite's altars.
>>41334039>>41334165I mean dude, 25 years ago someone like Jordan Peterson would have been publicly reprimanded by Pope Benedict XVI for his skepticism and overt psychologicizing of the Gospel. Now, he's propped up by the Church as the guardian against modernity.Do you really think Trump is on your side, preserving American family values?
>>41334165Their weapon against the christian world is by playing to our sympathies, empathy, sense of right and wrong. And so the christian world is being bled and abused by parasites. But it's this very thing which is our salvation. It's the essential story of the cross and resurrection.God has rewritten the laws of reality to have a trump card against the law of the jungle.It's actually extremely predictable, that it would be a Christian society which lets itself get run over.
>>41334171Exactly. They were given to her by God.>>41334180I mean I don't like either of those people. I'm into Carmelite spirituality now, actual mystic traditions of the christianity are way richer than any pop psychologist will ever be.
>>41334264And he's definitely not propped up by the church. It's just american catholic podcasters and journalists.
>>41334264So you agree that Yahweh is a Jewish usurper and is an enemy of Europe and it's gods?
>>41334298Liarhttps://www.wordonfire.org/peterson/
>>41334300The spirits of europe were enemies of europe and of reality.They will be redeemed and transformed into the true guardians and spirits of our people by The Messiah.
>>41334313I know Bishop Barron. I wish I mentioned him so you wouldn't think this is a point. Bishop Barron is an online evangelist, it's what he does, is make dvds and interview people.Is Shia LaBeouf being propped up by the church, Barron had an interview with him.
>>41334334You're really going to trust the god who calls the gentile woman a dog? Saint Paul who calls the gentiles "wild tree branches grafted onto a cultivated olive tree?" The god of the people that use "goyishe kapf" or "Gentile brains" as an insult?!Why would you trust that spirit and that people?What has God or Jesus done for Europe besides plunge it not the dark ages and create hundreds of years worth of wars?
>>41334347Bishop Barron promotes people whom he agreed with. Bishop Barron wouldn't interview Nick Fuentes.
>>41334334If you want to know why the Abrahamic cults as a whole are in freefall collapse, you really only need to look in the mirror for a good example. Good riddance
>>41334395I'd have to argue the whole merit of christianity, which is about love for the poor and weak.But besides that I'd just say that I actually like most pagans and think they usually have a noble spirit and are doing something important. The thing is you're already kind of doing what I think will happen. You're christening our old gods.Would you want a return to wife burning for Odin? Or do you think that's evil and want a nobler pantheon now ? I think this moralizing and core of love comes from Jesus and is why he needs to be at the center of our spirituality, and other things are built and reorderd off him. Tolkien tried to do this but maybe, he started something. I don't think we'll ever return to how paganism used to be. But I think there's something in there we lost and need back.
>>41334412Abrahamic religions are still center stage in the world. But us being crushed is something we expect to happen so it's no insult or surprise. Christianity is particular has been preparing for its death the whole time.
>>41334403A little bit. He's talked with that gay talkshow host, i think it's just who he thinks is worth talking to or who has something interesting to say. He's not putting the Vatican stamp on everyone he talks to. But yeah there's a lot of crossover on the internet between thee kinds of people and their fans. It's not approval from the church though.
>>41334455>Love for the poor and the weakLook at where that's gotten us. Now we have transgender victims, we need to destroy our own cultural history because they weren't weak and poor.>Sacrifice of wives to Odin...when did this happen? I would also point out that Abrahamism subscribes to the idea that if God commands you to murder someone, you are supposed to do so - Abraham and Isaac as one example, but for one where the human sacrifice actually happened, I'll point to Jephthath's daughter.But anyways, the answer is "no." The literal nature of the old pagan mythologies can't be true. Sorry - we don't live in a cosmic tree of Yggradisil in the way the very ancient Germans / Norse thought, nor do the Greek gods live on top of Olympus.On the contrary, I want to see a continuation of Neoplatonism - Abrahamism not excepted. These myths have deep embedded truths and do speak to a spiritual reality that is very much real. These entities do exist which we can access through the nous - and even if these entities are purely psychological, the power they have over people and reality is so immense that they might as well be real.There's a lot we lost with the imposition of Christianity on the masses, and one of those is the ritualized nature of life. "The world is a stage..." And rituals are mostly theater. Even the Latin Mass and Byzantine Liturgy have a theatrical element to it - I'll even concede they are powerful theatrical performances. When one realizes this, they obtain immense potential for themselves and others.Art, beauty, and theater is much needed in our dysteleological, postmodern, iconoclastic, dystopian nightmare world.>Noble vs. weakI see this as a problem with Christianity, yes. But it's far more than that, it's a huge cultural chasm between Jews and Europeans. The entire Old Testament values meekness, cleverness, and sneakiness over strength and nobility. Jacob and Esau, Joseph obtaining power in Egypt, Kind David and Bethsheba. (1/2)
>>41334455While Odysseus was clever, there was a blunt honesty about his cleverness that's far more European than say Jacob.Additionally, Christianity formed at a time of deep existential turmoil for the Jews. There's some very unhealthy parts of Christianity that tap into that.There's also parts of Christianity that, quite frankly, I think are evil but I have conflicting thoughts about. I think imposing the psychological imagery of being a slave as the highest good is evil. Period. Paul calling himself "a slave to Christ," Jesus taking off his garments to wash feet. That is evil. Calling rich people "evil" is in fact evil. Christianity fosters resentment.But I do think there is cultural value to it.The problem is the suspension of rationality to adopt it wholesale, in all of its toxic parts, and following this dumb Thomas Aquinas Aristotlean perspective of it - God as this omnibenevolent creator, Biblical history as literally true, the Jews were literally the chosen people and the only people capable of creating morals, etc.
>>41334527I'm just pointing out that Nick Fuentes will not be invited on because Barron doesn't agree with his beliefs.I think Fuentes is a grifting faggot
>>41334146Mary is based in Cybele, not Venus. Christianity is the result of the essene conspiracy around the 9th century CE. The Vatican originally worshipped Dionysus. They added 1000 years to make it look older and sell the two more weeks narrative. Each September 23rd is a new apocalypse. They took the Venus temples to host the new cult, and demolished the original temples for Cybele, only the baldacchino was left as her symbol in the Vatican.
>>41334721>>41334729Hmm I'll have to think about this. I'm not a fan of Aquinas and in the western church he is finally slowly being put aside in favour of greek patristic witters, neoplatonism, Origen, Gregory of Nyssa are being looked at again.But I'm not really a top level analyst and found kindred spirits in the 'mystics', Carmelites in particular. They occupy a funny position in the church, they seem to be simple and obedient to whatever theological structures they are given, yet they've continually produced reformers without trying to. And are some of the most earnest actors. If you actually just focus on the interior experience you realize how holistic the theology is, because I'll live and inferiorly experience things that I then need to translate into theology and can always find it somewhere in the Catholic tradition. I sometimes need to go the other way and trust to apply something from the top down, but it definitely goes both ways.So that's just annectodatal evidence in favour of your understanding of accessing the nous and the reality of the abstract things. Not necessarily an argument in favor of all the christian understandings.I'll have to think about the other things, the slave relationship etc.I do think submission is necessary. It's one of the possibilities, one of the postures you can take, and will inevitably take throughout your life. So you need to find the proper reference to make it to and I think it belongs to a totally benevolent master, and only to him.If you said submission is something you can avoid indefinitely I'd disagree, but it's a point.
>>41334914Nevermind the history, I'd say Mary isn't based on either, but I was saying she is 'like' these other figures and is fulfilling their roles. One interesting difference between christianity and other beliefs is the incarnation. Goddesses in other religions are abstractions from women in real life. We observe women's attributes, sexual, maternal, daughter etc. and then goddesses were created to represent them. But with Christianity it's more like these abstractions came down into the flesh. So Mary is not an abstract wish fulfilment derived from the women we observe. It's more like the abstract wish fulfilment found a manifestation in the flesh.
>>41334039>You don't crave nonexistence.Yes I do. >You want a perfect and immortal life.No I fucking don't. As long as I am me, I continue to suffer because existence itself is painful. I hate every second I'm aware of being. The moment I vanish into unconsciousness is the moment I feel at peace. And every time I wake back up I hate realizing I'm here.Don't project what you want onto me. You may enjoy life and wish it lasted forever. I don't. Life, existence, awareness are all sources of suffering. Once all of it is snuffed out, there will be peace.
>>41335543So you feel something when you're unconscious (peace the moment your vanish into unconscious) ? That's not non existence and you've just re said what I said in different words, that you crave peace.I'm not telling you what you want, I'm telling you what words mean that you're misusing.And I don't enjoy my life, I'm waiting for death. I could get into a misery competition with you but I won't unless you want to. I'm really really fucked up. But my faith is in the belief that there exists a total triumph over all misery and death.
Hi, Stan!
>>41335567>there exists a total triumph over all misery and death.Yeah it's called nonexistence. My only solace is thinking about how in billions and billions of years from now, all life will end, all stars will go out and even black holes will evaporate. Total heat death of the universe. I'm feeling calmer already, having typed this out and immersing myself into the image of empty space. I need the void. I need nonexistence.
>>41335600It's not called non existence because you're still imagining an observer. But it's good you're feeling calmer by contemplating an aspect of God. Meister Eckhart, a catholic mystic had something similar which this reminds me of. He was almost buddhist like at times.
>>41335631>you're still imagining an observer.I literally am not. I'm imagining a being which does not observe. The being is the void and the void is the being. There's nothing to observe and no one observing. Unlike here and now. Observation is torment on the observer and the observed.
>>41335652You're observing it. Or are you imagining you are the being ?
>>41335663I am imagining there is no being, no observing, no space, no time, no energy, no thought, no emotion, no self, no other, no length, no width, no depth, no color, no weight, no vibration, no thing or things, no features, no properties.Absolute, perfect nonexistence. That is what I want there to be for me and for everyone and everything else. The cessation of being.
>>41335683It sounds more like absolute perfect existence. Monism. And you'll never be able to erase the past, at the very least their will have been things, in the past, so non existence is impossible if you consider the dimension of time, which is very real.And things began from nothing to begin with so if this state is capable of producing life once it can do it again.And you are still observing it, at least now, in imagination. But why not Buddhism op, this is what it's sounds like. But silence is God's first language, it's good you want to speak it imo.
>>41334721More of a response 1/2>Look at where that's gotten us.Who's us? You immediately identify with the strong without realizing there were countless pathetic men, women and orphans of pagan europe who were left by the wayside and were never given a chance. It's identification and service to these types which christianity demands, so now we have 'transgender victims' (we can use that example of you want , but it's anybody infirm or weak) to deal with, not because weak people didn't exist before but because now we allow them to live and prop them up.If our cultural history is strong it's first duty is to use that strength to administer to the weak.>Wife burning I'm thinking about a YouTube channel, 'Voices from the Past' which just narrates primary historical sources, there was an episode on Norse wife, slave a d concubine burning for a chiefs funeral. It's very common in pagan cultures, native American, even Hindu until the 19th century I believe.>Abraham and Isaac This illustrates the difference between the old and new testament. It wasn't until the new that Gods voice was known to live in us. A Christian would know that a voice telling them to sacrifice their son is not God because it's against the interior spirit that lives in you, your conscience. The old was law based, exterior rules which needed to be obeyed, and it needed to be tested. And of course even in this law based morality the voice ultimately does not allow the sacrifice. This transformation was necessary to do to humanity in general, to bring them from a law based morality to an interior spirit morality, and it's necessary to do to each person.I'm not sure about Jephthah, I'll look into it.>loss of natural ritualized lifeOkay this was 100% the Protestants. Apostolic Churchs are extremely tolerant of folk piety and have huge cycles of feast days which match the seasons.
>>41334729More response of a response 2/2The election of the Jews fits the same theme as the gospel message imo. It's about a preference for the outcast. Jews seem to come from nomadic, mercantile goat herders. I kind of imagine gypsies in some of the earlier story's. They were not the structured, perhaps more noble, civilizations of the middle east. It's the same reason Jesus was born in a barn and associated with the dregs of society.It just seems like if you want to raise up the world you start with the lowest points.So yes Odysseus is more noble than Jacob, but strangely the most noble heroes are in the christian tradition of chivalry, which was an invention of St. Bernard of Clairvaux in a direct attempt to christianize the ancient germanic war fraternities which until him had remained independent of the church.
>>41336044Bernard also apparently nursed from the Virgin Mary and is a very strange fellow in general.
>>41335741>And you'll never be able to erase the past, at the very least their will have been things, in the past, so non existence is impossible if you consider the dimension of time, which is very real.That's why I specified "no time." The past, the present and the future vanishing into oblivion. Things that were changing into having never been, things that could be dissipating into impossibility, and things that are crumbling into non-being.>And things began from nothing to begin with so if this state is capable of producing life once it can do it again.If there is any choice in creation, this must never be done again. What has been created ought to be destroyed and creation never repeated again. >you are still observing itNope. An image of a thing is not the thing itself. When I jerk off onto your picture, you don't get jizz on your face.>why not BuddhismBecause Buddha taught acceptance. Satan teaches rebellion. I do not forgive, I do not forget. No sin is as grave as the sin of creation. Parents should beg their children for forgiveness, and so should God. But they won't because they think they were in the right. They were not. Creating beings is an abomination.
>>41335133But for that, you must believe in history. I don't.
>>41337009What do you mean when you say you don't believe in history? Does that include yesterday? Do you believe in the passage of time?
>>41336981You are so close to the truth, but still so far away...>Parents should beg their children for forgiveness, and so should God. But they won't because they think they were in the right. They were not. Creating beings is an abomination.That is the thinking of someone who has already surrendered. The world is flawed, existence is harsh, and no one owes you comfort.Regret or resentment changes nothing. If reality is imperfect, then adapt, overcome, and seize advantage.
>>41337018History is fabricated. There is no god in the flesh. Every god is a shared thoughtform.
>>41337022>The world is flawed, existence is harsh, and no one owes you comfort.And you expect me to thank my parents and God for bringing me into this horror? You expect me to beg for their forgiveness for not loving having razor blades in my sandwich?
>>41337070What is the fabrication?
>>41337070>>41337138Or let me ask this way, is the Coliseum fabricated? Is it made of paper mache instead of stone?
>>41337138>>41337144Go gaslight another user. It does not work here. Your god is not real. Nor is your prophet. They are imaginary friends, mental constructs created by the church to cope with reality.
>>41337144>Or let me ask this way, is the Coliseum fabricated? Is it made of paper mache instead of stone?Yes.
If Satan is the woman that is picture then yeah she's horrible and she needs to get the fuck out.If Satan is the guy who got screwed over and scapegoated for her benefit then yeah go go Satan!
All religion is a larp and is bullshit. Atheism is the only truth, death your gods.
>>41337193I genuinely don't understand what "history is fabricated" means. I asked about the Coliseum because I want to know whether it means that the contents of history, old physical stuff, is fabricated, or if it's the narratives that are constructed around these artifacts which are fabricated. If it's the narratives, is finding a bunch of skeletons in a field along with swords and shields and then constructing a narrative of "a war was fought here" false? I want to know where the lines are drawn so I can understand the picture that's presented to me.>>41337202Huh. I never knew that. Creepy that I got it right even though I pulled the example out of my asshole.
>>41318458retarded pussy worshippers
>>41336002>without realizing there were countless pathetic men, women and orphans of pagan europe who were left by the wayside and were never given a chance.Read Nietzsche. Only few are genuinely "good" and that tends to correlate and correspond with social usefulness. The masses of drug addicts and homeless people aren't "left by the wayside" and shouldn't be telling society what to do.It's a total moral inversion and is ultimately where the leftism you so decry comes from.>Primary historical sourcesHearsay? Even if I grant this (which I don't ) doesn't change my argument.>All pagan cultures are the sameNo. The Greco-Roman and Germanic world are not the same as the Aztecs who routinely did human sacrifice.>Old vs New TestamentCatholics aren't Cathars. You even stipulated to the Greek Church Fathers, who identified the "Angel of the Lord" or "The Angel Yahweh" in the Old Testament as Christ. You don't get to repudiate the Old Testament if you subscribe to a belief system that canonizes it and identifies your god with that God.>It's against the conscienceThat was the whole test of both Abraham and Jephthath, which they both succeeded in.>Jephthath Jepthath made an oath to Yahweh that for victory over the Ammonites he would offer a burnt offering of the first thing that walked through his door. He won, and his daughter walked through the door. So Jephthath mourned for her and then offered her to Yahweh.Christians and Jews will try to weasel their way out of this by claiming that the "offering" was a monastic consecration, but this is bullshit because 1. Nowhere in the text is there this idea, and context makes it clear it was a burnt offering, and 2. Jews will be the first to tell you that there is no monastic tradition in Judaism; Jews who don't marry are viewed as lepers and outcasts. It makes no sense that there would be this specific monastic tradition for women in Judaism when it's found nowhere else (1/2)
>>41336002(2/2) >Ritualized lifeChristianity in all of its forms moved away from this which is very clearly there in paganism.>Strong vs weak part 2I agree there's nuance, but transgenders are only propped up because of the inherent slave liberation narrative found in Exodus and the New Testament.
>>41337089>You expect me to beg for their forgiveness for not loving having razor blades in my sandwich?Of course not. The problem is that you are still thinking like a dependent child waiting for moral compensation. In this world there is no judge to force repayment. There is only will against will.If you truly resent creation, then cut your debts through action, not by begging for regret from your maker.And that is what you are right about: God is to blame, you should seek retaliation, resistance or self-transcendence against Yahweh.
>>41337262Post more gaslighting. What more do you think I believe in?
>>41336981The time thing is interesting to think about, I don't know much about it but the dimension of time seems to be no different than other physical dimensions. Up down, left right, forward backward, xyz, and then another 'n' or whatever. I mean honestly I find it interesting, because I wonder if this is the root of why we disagree, all the religious or philosophical beliefs are derived from our acceptance or rejection of creation ? I don't know if that's true exactly but there's something going on.I'm legitimately very miserable but accept creation.It seems like if we do have freedom in this reality it would be voices like mine who win.One who wants nothing (you) and one who wants something (me). Positive voices will just insist on being and it automatically over rules voices who want nothing, because absence is a blank slate for creation.That just seems to reaffirm Abrahamic theology, we'll keep on the side of God and seeking to fill the void and convert the rebellion who wants absence, but the voice of absence can't do anything but continually reject creation, but it can't win.Another thing is wether you actually want me to take your position or not, because I want you to take mine, but is it vice versa, or do you not care?Because if you don't convince the spirits who want creation to reject it you can't ever win. Because we'll be continually insisting on creation in the void you want.This isn't even my view because I think it's ultimately God who insists on creation so it's not up to us, but even if it were the other way...
