My only goal is maha samadhi. How does one achieve it? In this thread we create a step by step formula to help anons achieve maha samadhi as fast as possible. All technology leads to in increased productivity with less effort. Yogananda swami achieving maha samadhi over a lifetime is fine but that's like the churning butter of spiritualism. Let's figure out how to get the fuck out of these horrible worthless human skin bodies and gay ass universe as easy as going to the store and buying butter.
No no no fren. Give up all desires and wants. Then you will be completely liberated and no longer even have a body. Maybe you will achieve Maha Samadhi or maybe you will become a husband and raise a family. It will make no difference because there will be no one there to know.Practice Atma Vichara relentlessly. This is the formula and the first and final step.
>>41334214Which path, if any, would be the best? Dzogchen? Gaudiya Vaishnavism (hare krishna)? one of the big 3 Abrahamic religions?
>>41334546Theistic satanismNta
>>41334140>>41334546I have read Nisargadatta Maharaj, Ramana Maharshi, Zen Buddhism, Tibetan Buddhism (Mahamudra-Dzogchen) extensively and also the books of J van Rijckenborgh on Gnosticism and I never felt the need to read anything else. The important thing is 1. To have a fierce desire to reach enlightenment 2. To be honest to the utmost; am I enlightened or simply well read? To know something and to realize something are completely different things. 3. To have a taste for the superior and to reject the inferior completely. You want enlightenment so you should laser focus on what's useful, and shed all tangential knowledge of esotericism and understand that it's just more ignorance. 4. To have a mind for practice: reading is not practicing, thinking is not practice.Moreover, you should understand that Mahasamadhi is just a description for the moment of what we commonly call "death", Enlightenment can be had in life and afterwards you achieve Mahasamadhi or Parinirvana. Understand also that the sense of "achieving" is misleading, no one achieves anything and that the Supreme substance is already present in you, you only need to clear your mind to receive its reflection.
>>41334765And one more thing, you have inside yourself an intuitive radar that knows that something is pointless and inferior; learn to trust it. Don't lend your years to the inferior, only trust and read those who are enlightened.
Don't trust those who say "nothing needs to be done" - do they even understand the profound meaning of what they have read?
>>41334140hmm
>>41334140>how to get the fuck out of these horrible worthless human skin bodiesyou cannot achieve your goal without one, dummyif you visit these parts often then you must have seen the writings of olfactoryanon, which detail the proper beginnings which can be extended directly to the goal
>>41337124No idea of the anon or the writings you're talking about, but I'm sure they and this thread would appreciate a link and a quick rundown! But yeah, I'm aware that I need a human body in the first place, pic related, but it's just the get away car, and once you escape prison you dump that piece of shit worthless car in the river because now its only a liability . The word for Human body in Jainism is anartha which means worthless abode The body as a worthless abodeJain texts explicitly state that the body is a worthless or empty residence for the soul, and that suffering is endured by the soul while it is housed in the body. The 11th-century text Jñānārṇava, for instance, refers to the body as a "completely worthless abode" (niḥśeṣa-anartha-mandira). I'm also not seeking Apotheosis like the freemasons do, not trying to keep this body or identity, I want to remember my original position as a Gopi of Krishna on my home planet Goloka vrindavan.
>>41337557>No idea of the anon or the writings you're talking about, but I'm sure they and this thread would appreciate a link and a quick rundown!you must not have been in any meditation threads on /x/ for the past some number of yearsI dont really give af that some frustrated fags who didnt make anything like a full achievement wrote that the body is a worthless abodethe body is one of the treasuresit is to be cherished and taken care ofto neglect this is to install a glass ceiling upon one's cultivation efforts
[The ghost immortal is the lowest class of immortal. Ghost immortals are beings who have attained immortality in the realm of the dead. Their spirit is dim and they have neither name nor title. Although they are not forced to be reborn, they are not able to enter the Peng-lai lands of immortality. They wander about in limbo between the realms of the living and the dead, and their existence comes to an end if they chose to be reborn into the human realm.''People become ghost immortals when they try to cultivate but do not understand the Tao. Wanting to make fast progress, they take shortcuts in their training. As a result, their bodies are as brittle as dry wood and their minds are as dead as cold ashes. Hoping to keep the spirit within, they hold on to their intention. Thus, when they enter stillness, only the yin spirit is liberated. As a result, they become ghosts with no spirit; they cannot become immortals of pure yang. Because the yin spirit does not dissipate after they die, they are called ghost immortals. Although these beings are classified as immortals, they are really ghosts with no substance. Practitioners who claim to be Buddhist and who practice incorrectly the techniques of quiet sitting usually end up as this type of immortal]-Chung Lu Chuan Tao Chi
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>>41337819>they cannot become immortals of pure yangyes
>>41334140That's just a fancy suicide.
>>41334765You know what you're talking about, but I trusted that I should stop reading when you said, "know the inferior." I was actually going to respond to your class on "right effort" toward Enlightenment with the Chan notion that the Self-Nature is Originally Pure, and there is no attainment and nothing to attain. So I have nothing more to really add. I do have a question though. I just want a bit of input that could nudge me in the right direction. I am always tempted to teach the "teaching" of a duality between false ego and Buddha-Self, but I realize I haven't realized the true Dharma here because it is a Dualistic teaching. What I recently came to was the sacrifice of the false ego to the Tathatagarba (Yugya in Hinduism), and then sacrifice the Dharma which arises back to the Dharma. In this way I am trying to realize the true teaching of false-ego and True Self-Nature beyond the limits of Duality. I think it has something to do with Nirvana and Samsara are One, as samsara does not really exist.
>>41338443Same Anon, I think inner-realization is a moment of direct transmission because the moment cannot be grasped, it neither comes from the false (as samsara) nor the true (as it's immutable).
>>41338468>the moment cannot be graspedthere is only the momentwhen samahdi manifests, there is no perception of time no matter how long you're actually sitting there, its just a comfy moment
>>41338478No the sutras clearly state the present moment cannot be grasped. This awareness, Mindfulness, Moment thing is Thich Naht Hanh's, I'm gonna say, at best unskillfulness, at worst heresy. Look up the Diamond Sutra and Ctrl+F "present thought."You will find:>A present thought cannot be grasped The Dharma being more syncretic would be that the Soul exists at every moment. You clearly contradict yourself (don't be angry with me for saying it), because you say there is no perception of time, and then you posit a moment of TIME
>>41338503>thoughtthought is not part of the momentas I stated before, thought and mental activity is antithetical to samahdisamahdi literally cannot manifest if the mind is thinking or active at allso it would seem you're a little out of contextthis is why rote training is recommended to train the body properlyotherwise it forgets and perturbations thereof will destroy any good stillness or samahdi that might be manifest
>>41338517I don't know what you're talking about. Why don't you go read Eckhart Tolle, he seems to suit you. There is No Present Moment. Period. That would require an observer. This is the meaning of a present thought cannot be grasped. The rest of your post was gibberish. Maybe it has a meaning to you
>>41338529>There is No Present Momentwe only experience the present moment because there IS only the present moment and time is an illusiontalk about gibberish>a present thoughtmixing in thought into this process is getting away from the point, there was no need to try and re-insert it>maybe it has meaning to youto me and anyone else who has made a modicum of progress, attained the great stillness, the spark of samahdibut go back and study the suttas, maybe that will help you out some moreyou're certainly not getting practice level insights out of whatever it is you're employing
>>41338529Here's the full gatha from the Diamond Sutra, which basically ends our conversation. Note I actually cite a Sutra. I'm not trying to argue, but I admit this presentness and awareness stuff really grinds my gears. >The Buddha said, “And as many beings as there might be in those worlds, Subhuti, I would know their myriad streams of thought. And how so? Streams of thought, Subhuti, what the Tathagata speaks of as ‘streams of thought’ are no streams. Thus are they called ‘streams of thought.’ And how so? Subhuti, a past thought cannot be found. A future thought cannot be found. Nor can a present thought be found.”So if you study this gatha you will find the truth to what you mean about "streams of thought," since it's clear from the text that the phrase, "streams of thought" has a certain meaning. Furthermore you see that a present thought cannot be found. The "moment" is a word. Words are thoughts. The moment is a present thought. A present thought CANNOT BE FOUND. The moment cannot be found.
>>41338555>but I admit this presentness and awareness stuff really grinds my gearsthat's because you only have knowledge of what you have read and no experience of the real phenomenathus you focus on things you dont understand fully and proceed erroneously
>>41338547You have an incredible amount of attachment to the self, which is why you preach being an observer of the present moment. Also you shouldn't spread what you have "attained." Your talk is very youthful
>>41338573>You have an incredible amount of attachment to the selfprojection>which is why you preach being an observer of the present momentI have never explained the cultivation of awareness in this waythis is just more beginner tier misunderstanding from you>Your talk is very youthfulmoar projectionyou can only speak of what you have read, and not of what you have experiencedI'll get dumbasses here and there bitch about me not referencing suttasand miss out on the part of everything I'm writing coming from practice experience
>>41338570The sutras are the basis of my practice, are you really going with the idea that worship of the present moment is a hill to die on? Are you mad that I am citing a sutra? Because you want to worship the present moment? Most people can't perceive what I am about to say, but your final critique is I have no experience of the real "phenomena." Phenomena aren't real. Your meditative practice consists in being an observer of the present moment and calling it samadhi. In other words, you're living in a fantasy. At least I know I am living in a fantasy, because I know how to teach the Diamond Sutra.
>>41338593Attachment to the present moment is very harmful to the Dharma. If you read the Sutras you wouldn't be so persuaded by the New Age. On the bright side, you're with Oprah! Now you can get happiness "right now!" Maybe ignorance really is Bliss?
>>41338629McSamadhi
>>41338599>are you really going with the idea that worship of the present moment is a hill to die on?colorful words, crayon projections>Are you mad that I am citing a sutra?lol, its merely annoying that you somehow think the things I'm writing are not in accord with the suttasyou simply do not appreciate that words are abstractions and you are relying on translations of translations and cannot triangulate the finger pointing at the finger pointing at the finger pointing at the moon>Your meditative practice consists in being an observer of the present moment and calling it samadhiI think you'll have to go to the mirror and ask yourself why you project your biases onto my words and keep trying to tell me the meaning of what my words are, no matter how many times you get corrected about itthe spark of samahdi is unequivocal, there is no doubt when it manifeststhe first time it manifests it is 100% guaranteed to shock one to the point that samahdi is instantly destroyedit takes a good cultivation regimen for it to happen more than onceit takes a very good cultivation regimen to make it appear every day like clockworkwhen one's cultivation is rigorous enough, one makes it manifest enough times to learn how to catch and hold it so that it staysthen one can truly begin probing the mind to discover how sense activity leads to the neurological potentials that perturb the niwan to cause random thoughts to manifest to begin with
There's no bliss in deep sleep there's nothing to experience. Experience = Subject+Object there is no pure experience of the subject as posited by crypto-annihilation philosophies like Neo-Vedanta or Buddhism.
>>41338629never read tollenow cultivating awareness = attachment to the present momentthis is getting to be clown tier from youchanging every statement of mine around and projecting it as I'm wrong or doing something incorrectlysad, many cases
>>41338660>neurological patternsI see
>>41338734>they had no knowledge of neurology when the suttas were written, so any mention of this is against the suttaswew ladjust why is it do you think that it is taught to restrain the senses?
>>41338751Because it's the solemn vow of the most Ancient Aryan Dharma:>Aspirants may restrain the senses from their objects of enjoyment, but the taste for the sense objects remains. However, even this taste ceases for those who realize the Supreme. (BHAGAVAD-GITA 2:59)
>>41338734>patternsand you know damned well I didnt write this word
>>41338785Whatever man maybe you can join a cult
>>41338783so, no real attempt to understand the underlying phenomena then>>41338801that's a great way to deflect from your shortcomings itt
>>41338980Ok what phenomena? Maybe you should learn to read. There are no underlying phenomena. The Buddha is the root of all phenomena and the Buddha is Eternal, so he's not in the present moment. The Buddha is beyond Time. Good day
>>41338980I'm glad your New Age practice is more advanced than the Bhagavad-Gita. Please check yourself
>>41339114>phenomena being fundamentally empty means nothing at all takes place and nothing happens everyou keep expounding your misunderstandings to the thread>I'm glad your New Age practice is more advanced than the Bhagavad-Gitatalk about needing to check yourselfyour projector bulb is getting dim and its too easy to see the wall behind ityou're so assmad you cant even understand the words I'm writing and conjure up bullshit statements like thisthen have the nerve to tell me to check myselflmao, lol evenI suggest you try to follow the teachings you claim to subscribe to a little more closely
>>41339183Well this one I just read as gibberish so at least you can't say I'm projecting
>>41339283>I'm btfo so skim timeclean thy mirror, faggot
>>41339299Where can it attract any dust?
>>41339426haha, your kvetching about not being able to understand my words are in complete accordance with the suttas if proof enough that not only do you perceive the mirror, but it is indeed dustyword games only get you so far when you're talking to someone with experiencenow get back to studying the suttas, because anyone reading this thread will understand you dont spend much time sitting
>>41339459You're the one preaching a concept (present moment) that is directly contradicted by the Diamond Sutra. A good student would have stopped as soon as it was quoted!
>>41339471>attempts to micdrop diamond sutra and walk offyou're an inarticulate moron who isnt interested in debating this matter or coming to any sort of understanding that my words are in accord with the suttasyou just keep modifying my words to posit that they are not in accordance with the suttasyou are basically just a disingenuous liar
God shut the fuck up jeets
>>41339492>enters thread about anything remotely related to buddhism>is shocked to find sectarian faggots providing bitchy critiques of others and acting entirely non buddhist
>>41339514It's not sectarian at all I just think it's Adharmic when people preach meditate on the moment and we are supposed to get angry at AdharmaAnon got Eckhart Tolle's egregore in his head and I'm trying to help him, sorry that I want to save sentient beings
Anon have you thought of the fact that you can't hold onto this samadhi because the present moment cannot be grasped?
>>41339545you have to train the sparks to arrive before you can keep it ongoingyou are too obtuse to have this conversation withyou cant understand how simple concepts relate to the suttasyour understanding is hollow and your cultivation emptyyour mind mad when you read words that arent direct sutta quotesbecause your pea brain cannot perceive the real
>>41334140Nothing to find out. Just follow your tradition if you have any.Traditions in general, by default, have complete knowledge of the being and paths to achieve your full potential and stuff.
>>41340794Buddhas dont preach appearance & realityIt's not that it's not IN the sutras it's that it CONTRADICTS the sutras. Hope you learn and do better. I bet you're 23
>>41340876Also your original post called samadhi "cozy" so I can guarantee you Buddha considers you a sorcerer
>>41340876>appearanceits nuts that you keep conjuring words I never used or implied in these weak attempts to disparage meI dare you to show this thread to your teacher>it contradicts the suttasits already overly obvious that your grasp of the english language must be very poor to keep misusing and misinterpreting so many words>Also your original post called samadhi "cozy" you can bet your inexperienced ass that is most definitely comfy afyou have no basis to say because you havent attained itso its got this wack definition in your mind because all you have are words you've read and nothing approaching the requisite practice to be saying anything authoritative about samahdi>so I can guarantee you Buddha considers you a sorcererhahahaha, now that's podracing
>>41340996Ok so there's no way that you just got a bad idea in your head from the culture and the sutras are actually right? >Stay in the present moment>It's cozy AFThat's you. This actually reminds me of the time I got schooled in Age of Empires, and I was young so I talked shit. The guy said, look how I build, then look how you build. I did look and I became a 150% better player. So that's you.>Staying in the present moment is cozy afThis was in my clipboard, this is me:>the state in which noble wisdom is realized is beyond being and non-being.
>>41341094Also look how I build, look how you build. You argue because you want to be right. I argue because I want you to be liberated. So look how I build, and look how you build...
>>41341094>Ok so there's no way that you just got a bad idea in your head from the culture and the sutras are actually right?go take an english classyou dont understand the words you're usingand you for damn sure dont understand the words I'm writing>This actually reminds me of the time I got schooled in Age of Empireshahaha...yeah, get back to gaming, kid
>>41341131Ok keep using Kek's magick to describe "samadhi" instead of reading the sutras. Maybe get a brain scan. I'm done. You're right I need a teacher, that's the only true thing you've said in this whole thread
Achieve total stillness while being awake/aware.
>>41341301If awareness entails activity how does this achieve stillnees?
>>41341340Awareness is always there, you are always aware.Make the body and mind still and you will achieve samadhi.
>>41341401That's funny but I've dedicated myself to others
>>41341410What do you mean?
>>41341415I guess you must like being an observer.
Human existence is extremely difficult to obtain.
>>41341438Is there any other way?
>>41341503You could try the Diamond Sutra...
A teaching of the Lankavatara Sutra is that no assertion can be made. This can be extended to a critique of all philosophy, which deals in "facts." The reason being that an assertion is contained in existence and therefore changes it.
>>41334765Just remember to poo in the loo.
>>41341554I will read it ok, although I don't think that reading is a substitute for practice.
>>41341340>if I postulate something erroneous, I'm too dumb to understand that the postulate gives no weight to what follows
>>41341410if you want to do everyone itt a service,leave and stop posting
>>41343364Will not be defeated
>>41343406>continues to shit up the threadtime to clean it up, jannies
>>41343425How's Idaho Bill?
Hahahahaha
>How does one achieve it?By achieving deep meditation while sitting and holding the pure awareness for long periods of time, this practice will help you "unstick" your consciousness from this reality when the times comes for you to depart. Practice it often.Also practice not being a slave to your thoughts and emotions in real life, this is hard since most humans are programmed to need "fame, love, safety e.t.c." and unsticking yourself from these may be hard, also be ready to face unconscious fears and other stuff which will seem like demons are coming for you, the solution is always awareness and not giving into anything.
>>41334140Jhanas is extremely helpful based on my experience. But it really matters what your background is. Following the system linked to your genetics is what you're aiming for here. It's like going to the bank and shopping around for your inheritance without knowing who the hell your grandparents are. If you know nothing about them, it's an immense challenge. But if you bring one of them with you, they can sign all the papers and shit and you're well on your way.Here's the catch few here would ever reveal to you: you don't need to just sit there. Meditation can be performed in a variety of ways and your real aim is the physiological response, not being able to claim on the internet that you sat and "did nothing" for longer than some other strangers did. The point isn't to breathe a certain way, it's not to sit a certain way or do something funny with your legs, it's not to visualize something important or repeat certain words until you forget you're speaking, but all of those things can easily help you.>>41334214>>41334140>just depersonPlease do not listen to these buffoons, OP. Passions are vitally important. I understand you've been taught by the idiots that you need to just stop doing everything because you'll never have or achieve anything and, while that's somewhat valid, it's super gay to just leave and forget everyone else. Moksha is cool and all, but what about the rest of us that are left here? Don't be gay.If you really want muh quicker way, it will not include abandoning Passions, but beginning to understand them. Can I interest you in some Tantra instead?
Om namo Ramanaya>>41334765QRD on Rijckenborgh? I come from a Catholic and Traditionalist background, does this guy understand Gnosis or am I better off sticking with Clement and Dionysius?Really good practical advice btw. If you're overly read like me, understand that the practice of atma vichara will gradually simplify the various doctrines you have assimilated so far and cast them in a clear light. Some questions will fall away as idle or useless, with others there will be a deeply satisfying "a-ha" moment that no amount of studying could have provided.
>>41343298its most definitely not
