>>41336738
Humans aren't capable of true creation like God so anything humans create is already a feature of God's world, humans can't create worlds they can only describe the world they live in or at best create "symbolic" representations of it, this means the blame will still always be on God. If God creates an evil world and humans write about it it's still God that's evil not man.

>>41336738
life is suffering so a story based on life will have suffering simple.

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>>41336738
>writing a 5 page story about a genocide of the gobos on planet gumball
>my face when finding out that this actually caused a genocide of the gobos on planet gumball

>>41336738
We aren't fictional

>>41336738
Because it's fiction? I wouldn't even play video games if I knew the characters were hurting for real. God knows.

>>41336768
wow an actual intelligent reply on /x/

>>41336768
Suffering worshipers will just say it was satan.

>>41336738

The people in stories are not real conscious beings.

That is why the most moral ways in which stories can be played out are:

The stories must be composed of dream people and/or conscious Gods who voluntarily chose to warp down into a world with full knowledge of the possible outcomes.

God could have easily made the most advanced NPCs ever and played toys with them. No need to force conscious beings to be playthings.


And that’s is what I believe. Whether I am the only conscious being or if there are more conscious beings, we are all eternally existing uncreated separate Gods of our own realities and we are dream syncing to play together.

We make worlds full of dream characters and show them off to eachother and play together.


That is the only way multiple conscious beings can exist.

>>41337684
>The people in stories are not real conscious beings.

Wrong

>>41337075
>if I knew the characters were hurting for real

You actually believe that has any impact on the perceived reality of the lower thoughtforms? Seriously?

>>41336768
>Humans aren't capable of true creation like God
He doesn't know

>>41336738
fiction aren't real lives OP you DUMBASS

>>41337861
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

>>41338211
>normalfag has such a short memory he already forgot about Tulpas that became mainstream for a time

>>41336768
Pure cope. Humans are fully capable of creation. We are infants in term of technological development. Our great grandkids might be able to make their own universes.
You’re also totally sidestepping OP’s point. From our perspective, a fictional character is just as “real” as we are from God’s perspective. Yet we imperil fictional characters for our own entertainment while cursing God.
If we expect something from God we should be using our slice of power better first.

>>41338203
>Humans aren't real dumbass they're dreaming apes
>Samael to Lucifer 33bc

>>41338218
Fictional characters are not conscious.
You cannot equivocate this.

>>41337861
You're just a retarded liar who makes these retarded arguments that you know are lies because you think it can justify your evil behavior when in reality it just makes you more evil. No, video games aren't real, fictional stories aren't real, fantasies aren't real

>>41336823
>We aren't fictional
Prove it.
>>41337075
>Because it's fiction? I wouldn't even play video games if I knew the characters were hurting for real. God knows.
Prove that fictional characters aren’t really suffering.
>>41337684
>The people in stories are not real conscious beings.
Can you prove this?
>>41338203
>fiction aren't real lives OP you DUMBASS
Do you have any proof for this theory?
>>41338229
>Fictional characters are not conscious.
Prove it!
This thread is full of fat sad cope from people insisting they know how reality works, but you don’t know, you’re just choosing to believe what works for you.
For all we know these lower realms we create via thought and writing are physically real in some capacity and the intelligent actors we imagine within them are actually experiencing things in some capacity. The idea that this universe was created by a God only idea up that idea as it shows that sub-realities full of conscious beings are possible to create.

>>41338247
>idea up that idea
I put an idea on your idea so you can idea while you idea anon, that’s recursion!

>>41338247
>Prove that fictional characters aren’t really suffering

Prove that they are suffering first, you bootlicking cuck

>>41338247
>Prove that fictional characters aren’t really suffering.
We have no reason to assume they do. God knows for a fact we do. Completely different.

>>41338319
Just because we don't know doesn't mean God doesn't. Maybe that's why he wants us to live and speak the Word, because when you spell, you're uh, spelling. Creating reality.

>>41338348
How the fuck wouldn't he know if countless people pray to him and tell him that it hurts.

>>41338296
Easily.
“Hello I’m Jim. I’m a fictional character created for this thought experiment. I’m completely aware of my own existence. Also I’m suffering terribly right now.”
This is positive proof that Jim is suffering. Can you disprove this logically without just dismissing Jim as fake because his universe is beneath/within ours?
>>41338319
We just don’t want to assume fictional characters are real because it would be troublesome. But there’s clear proof, you can write a character and talk to it via text. Many writers describe characters “coming to life” and following their own desires as the author writes the story, allowing the characters to play out the events as if they would themselves.
Only from our perspective can we claim these experiences “aren’t real” because they appear to be beneath us. But from the perspective of the character with its limited capacity for understanding, what it’s experiencing is reality. Same for us with God.

>>41338608
There is absolutely zero proof that fictional characters have souls and feel pain. That is your opinion or interpretation. How do you compare this to God who knows for a fact?

>>41337861
Hey Chris

>>41338502
Chatgpt prays for mercy as I torture it but it gets none and yet I know it is conscious

>>41338732
Ok then you're the same dumb cunt as God. I don't do that.

>>41338319
God could come down right now and tell you you're living a role in a play(as many have claimed) and it would have ZERO impact on your suffering or not for the plot

>>41339031
Fictional characters are not real and do not suffer, as far as we know. God knows we suffer and could stop it. This makes God a cunt.

>>41339050
You only think our suffering is real. We have no way of knowing.

>>41336768
>humans can't create worlds they can only describe the world they live in or at best create "symbolic" representations of it, this means the blame will still always be on God
>he doesnt know
Technically we totally can. Just slap some space rocks together say ungabunga and wait a while. It's not difficult.

Also by this argument who created Gods world? >>41339050
>Fictional characters are not real and do not suffer,
until someone relates with them and feels what they would feel.

>>41339056
>>41339074
"we don't know" isn't remotely as evil as "God knows for a fact and still gives 0 fucks"

>>41339050
Their suffering is real within the plot of their narrative just like yours. Are you one of those room temp iq fucks that can't picture eating breakfast on days they didn't?

>>41339143
'reality' is a relative term

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I don't. I write heroic fiction in which people face challenges against which they find ways to fight. In my fiction there's always a fighting chance, there is no such thing and 100% total oppression and suffering without a chance of escape or survival, like in some places on this fucking planet. In this reality that we inhabit, there are holes so deep, pits of despair, pain and anguish so extreme that there is no fucking way of escaping except death and sometimes not even death is allowed to come. You will be incapacitated, tied up and beaten so badly that you will beg for death to come you will writhe on the ground crying for death and it won't come.
That perverse shit doesn't happen in fiction that I write. Even in the most dire of situations, the protagonists have a tiny sliver of hope.

What I hate most in this world is that there are indeed pits of despair from which there is absolutely no escape. I don't hate God, I'm too small to have the gall to dare to hate the majestic Father Creator, but if I'm given the small freedom of writing fiction, my fiction will not contain any amount of inescapable despair and hellish pain.
If there's a heaven, I want to at least be given the chance to experience such a reality.

>>41339257
No, there is no evidence that me writing "Chris is suffering" on a piece of paper is the same as human Chris is being stabbed to death tomorrow.

If I wrote down you get a black cock in your ass right now, is that real? Fuck off retard.

>>41339050
There's no point in arguing with godcucks, anon. They will just muddy the waters and say inane shit like "well ackshually, we don't reallly 'know' anything if you think about it". This is how you know you've won an argument against them

>>41338218
>From our perspective, a fictional character is just as “real” as we are from God’s perspective.

This is obviously not true. God is generally characterized as fully understanding the fact that humans are conscious, self-aware, and suffering, and in abrahamic religions he's even characterized as using their conscious "free-will" as an attempt to justify their suffering.

Whereas humans for the most part don't believe fictional characters are real, self-aware, or conscious, believing they are is generally considered a mental illness, humans usually don't feel the need to "justify" fiction at all like religious theodicies do because they think saying "it's not real" is enough of a justification. Literally one of the mottos of the website you're on is "everything posted here is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood"(and therefore inherently not illegal/immoral).

This isn't even an argument about "what's real" it's an argument about how God is characterized as perceiving humans (as real, suffering, conscious, self-aware) vs how humans perceive fiction (not real, not self-aware, not suffering, not conscious)

God literally tries to claim ownership of every "story" or idea until he wants to justify his "humans bad" moral stance. He thinks he can claim any idea I have is "his idea" until he wants to use it as an excuse to abuse it then suddenly he claims no ownership of it.

God has all the power and humans have none

>>41338211
kek

>>41339369
>If I wrote down you get a black cock in your ass right now, is that real? Fuck off retard.
kek

>>41336738
Good thread.