>>41368872
Post method

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>>41368928
>https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/41007695/#q41009172

>>41369074
Why tho?
legit sincere question - what are the benefits?

>>41369166
I get op is himself asking questions and not an expert - i'm asking what benefits if any he has noticed thus far

I don't think you know what it's like or how it feel or want your Kundalini to be activated. It's living hell and you have to endure it. It's not some chuunibyou animay power. It gives you a spiritual burden more like. You will be touchy, super sensitive to everything, especially mostly negative energy and intentions, every noise and sounds annoys you. You're always jumpy, your heart races, you get migraine and eye strains, crippling anxiety to the brink of panic attacks, always uncomfortable and always restless. Trauma can actually open up and activate your kundalini prematurely. A whole load different with people who actually trained with spiritual gurus for years, as they have foundations and learned ability to mitigate the cons. You don't want to activate your Kundalini, you'll be a train wreck.

>>41368872

This>>41369184 is good advice. And stop looking at porn if you're going to be doing this work.

>>41369194
STFU
My question was clear. fake gate-keeping faggots.
Look at yourself bro- a question is asked - no info is given, instead you pipe up to say don't watch porn. fucking idiot

>>41369166
>what are the benefits?
to a fully awakened Kundalini? Non-schizo answer, Itzhak Bentov studied how the bodies of people who had expierenced kundalini awakening is different to normal people. his findings were that the nervous system in the body is rebuild/strengthened and the nervous system can instantly heal physical and psychological damage on the nervous system.

schizo answer: psychic powers like clairvoyance, seeing spirits, etc.

>>41369217
If you're posting porn, telling you anything about how to do it would be doing more harm than good. I know it sucks to hear, but you have a lot more simple work to do before you try blowing open your cap to the universe.

Children want what they want now and don't want to hear about discipline. I've seen people try doing this work before they were ready and now they're incapable of holding a job, abuse intoxicants, can maintain a functional relationship, etc. It's called trying to take the side door. Better to walk the full path and get to this practice when you know you're ready. But you do you.

>>41369241
OP here, not >>41369217. but I agree somewhat with him, that gatekeeping because of le danger is always a bit ridiculous. every kind of spiritual work has a danger to it. people can break down from angelic ceremonial magic as well.
for porn, well my view on it is similar to Aghori philosophy, in that divinity is in every aspect of life - even in the most "impure" aspects. you just have to open up to it

>>41369241
Buddy you're a fucking clown.
Not one single person in this thread has mentioned porn but you.
I imagine you in countless threads, just popping up and telling people how bad porn is - entirely unprompted and without cause. Absolute clown.

>>41369259
I wanted to know the benefits, as a few years ago when i hadn't even heard of kundalini, it went halfway up my back without me doing a thing. It felt like a truck running over my spine, that was how deep the pressure was. I saw this thread and thought, hmmm, i wonder if i should try and reactivate it, what might be the benfits be... etc. Not hypothetical but actual, as experienced by OP.
Of course what I get is porn guy talking about porn habits.

>>41369263
>I imagine you in countless threads
cool man. Enjoy making up stories about people who don't appease your ego. Let me know how that works out for you when you finally do practice kundalini. Projecting yourself up your central nervous system, through your mind, which is that clouded by duality, into the infinite is a great idea.

>>41369331
Again, shut the fuck up you silly useless bastard.
You must have been into some weird creepy shit to just project your porn habits onto other people.

OP, god bless, is here asking questions - doesn't know much obviously and I hope someone who truly understands helps him.
I'm here asking OP's noticed any benefits. And i'm guessing none of note.
And some other guy talking about porn.

Probably a dead thread.

>>41369259
Kundalini yoga. Yoga has eight limbs, one of which is called the Niyamas. One of the Niyamas is called Saucha (purity).

These things have always been gatekept for a reason. I'm trying to help and this guy is getting angry because he isn't getting his way. That is a glaring red flag. I know this stuff sounds cool and magical and you are curious and want to experience something incredible, but y'all need to grow up. If this is something y'all really want to do, go sit with a shaman in the Amazon for a week first. You'll get more than you bargained for, and it will scratch the itch that's making you want to do kundalini.

>>41369357
I just want the best for you, brother. This isn't something you should be doing yet.

>>41369415
You are a fucking embarrassment.
You know nothing about anyone in this thread. You assume many things. You don't have any info to impart. So just fuck off pal. Op wanted advice, you gave none.
Try and look at yourself. You could have ignored this thread. Instead you engaged and scolded OP and myself as somehow not being ready or pure or serious...when u know nothing of us.
You have nothing to contribute but your continued display of your own head up your ass.
I legit wouldn't believe a thing you told me after how you've behaved. Get fucked.

>>41369415
>You'll get more than you bargained for
maybe, maybe not. I had some crazy expierences trying my hands on Goetia, so I can guess the possible negative outcomes, and I'm still prepared to take the risk and walk the path of Vīra. If I was afraid of taking risks I would choose orthodox paths that are slower but softer

>>41369443
"don't cast pearls before swine"

>>41368872
Satan is killing you.
Hey, Satan.
Like your possession?

I awoke all chakra.
Successful Kundalini awakening.
Woke up Satan, for final fight, Revelation.

666

>>41369452
Exactly bro. I've done ayahuasca and all sorts of shit. This fucking geek polluting the thread with his vague admonitions.
He doesn't comprehend it reveals his own shitty pointless struggle with kundalini and not a universal experience - ie he abused porn and got fucked up so now he runs around telling people not to do porn. What a gimp.

>>41369454
kek
he actually puts one of the more famous phrases in the bible in quotation marks. Otherwise, u know...we'd be lost.
You're a sad little fake.

>>41369452
u gave that demon shit up then? How comes

>>41369476
yeah, would be nice if I got actual advise to my question rather than having the thread derailed by porn discussion. but maybe burger anons might do that later. EU hours are always weird on this board

>>41369452
>I'm still prepared
What have you done to prepare? The Yamas and Niyamas? Have you purified your mind and body? Practiced Santosha (contentment)? Aparigraha (nonpossessiveness)? How long can you sit in meditation? And how much of that time can you sit with a clear mind, with no thoughts arising?

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>>41369166
another POV - this is what "rebuilding the 3rd temple" is about.
the temple is the human body.
it is in a destroyed state.
the cornerstone is cristos (sacred fluid retention, celibacy), the work of building the temple is done not by physical hands (its not a physical building), but a mental one.

>>41369074
to give you and the other readers some perspective or if you want another version of the same thing to understand it, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQV6EhpBxHk
timestamp: 02:37-2:58

this is exactly what happens at later stages.
understand something here:
first, you imagine energetic movement.
after some point, it will become a psycho-somatic experience, you will imagine feeling things, but are not sure if its pure imagination or real.
but later, you will see physical effects.
for example, i can guide this energy into my hands or other extremities. its movements cause the skin to have goosebumps.
it follows intention, its like an atrophied muscle you are learning to use

at further stages, this energy can also be projected outwards

the absolute latest stage of this is the replacement of the physical body with the rainbow body

the "thing" you are moving has many names:
- "breath" ("pana" / "prana", dual meaning: breath or energy, energy is the true meaning)
- chi
- fire (of the holy ghost)
- light

the physical body is made of matter, the rainbow body is made of light.

the rainbow body is alternatively known as:
- glorified body (glory being archaic for light)
- light body
- immortal fetus
- merkaba vessel
- the third temple

the muslims prostrate to guide the sacred sexual essence up the spine.
you know, "as cristos descended from the most high [skull/golgotha], so it must ascend"!

the yogi pressurizes the base of the spine with breath retention techniques, pushing the fluid and its analog on the etheric double up that way.
taoists call this the microcosmic orbit btw.!
this is the meaning of the allegory of the crucifixtion of Christ.

>>41369510
What country u in?

>>41369508
having more negative outcomes and didnt get the results I asked them for. meanwhile just praying to deities has worked so much better for me. maybe my methodology wasnt good enough, and I should have larped harder as Solomon

>>41369514
i appreciate the effort post.
Not trying to denigrate or diminish but you're saying thus far you are able to give yourself goosebumps, right? That's what you've experienced.
I'm interested in that rather than theoretical
shit people say you will get to one day.

>>41369514
let me add some more things, after having researched this very deeply:

no practice is required whatsoever, except celibacy.
everything else, like prostrations or pressurized breathing techniques are optional.
the true human (arian) does not need these crutches.
he is immortal, thus, he is eternally celibate, because procreation is a crutch of mortals.

but it is said that the heavenly beings are continually prostrating in sufi traditions. i am not sure if this is because they wanna push prostrations that hard or if its objectively true.

considering everything else, it appears to me that it is not necessary, though it boosts the transformation speed.
see, the problem is that the transformation process takes decades. and people are impatient, so they come up with all sorts of things to speed things up. this is why mahayana buddhism exists, the self-professed "great vehicle", calling the traditional, "slow" path the "lesser vehicle". i believe this is a larp.
they are trying to employ "hacks", which ought to make it quicker. i believe however, that this is wishful thinking.

the "yoke of Christ" is easy.
all these fancy practices are clowning around.
just be a man of virtue, i.e. (its only meaning) celibate.
every other virtue is birthed from this one virtue.

cristos and it crucified in your golgotha (skull) is your hope of glory/enlightenment.
always has been, before or after the quasi-literal Jesus.

>>41369521
wtf is it with humans and worship. i bet the demons wanted an altar. Praying to the divinities ..same thing. We must give out the craziest most delicious astral energy when we pray to whoever the fck is listening.

>>41368872
idk, to each there own journey. for my kundalini i get super hot and chew on ice cubes. take luck!

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>>41369513
>What have you done to prepare?
Mahavidya tantra
>Have you purified your mind and body?
not necessary, since devi will do it either subtle or forcefully- wether I want it or not
>How long can you sit in meditation?
I'm doing japa in front of a yantra. this is my medidation
>And how much of that time can you sit with a clear mind, with no thoughts arising?
my mind is focused on the mantra
>Aparigraha (nonpossessiveness)?
desires are absolutely allowed in Tantra. instead of renouncing the world/desires you aknowledge your role as an actor in the divine play of Maya

>>41369184
a bit too much at one time, i feel ya. you doing better these days? handling that shit a little better nowadays?

>>41369573
DESU both you and the scared porn weasel sound like faggots. I mean fuck kundalini if it means you come on a message-board and type cringe shit like this 'an actor in the divine play of Maya'
SO.FUCKING.GAY.

>>41369514
>first, you imagine energetic movement.
fake it til ya make it is not a good spiritual progression strategy
>taoists call this the microcosmic orbit btw.!
now you can just outright shut the fuck up with your retard shit

>>41369521
you keep looking for crutches and arent doing the work yourself

>>41369550
>no practice is required whatsoever
fake and gay
wellpoisoning ignorant

I had an accidental kundalini episode.

I do not advise in favor of trying to activate kundalini, it can send you into psychosis.
>>41369184
Agreed.

>>41369618
the "pathless path" in zen shits all over your reaction!
talk about ignorance...

yall are fucking insufferable.

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>>41369638
>no-method isnt a method!
failure again, faggot

>>41369596
there's basically no quicker way to drain your essence and by extension, life, than spiritual practices + porn
not that other guy but if one is a serious spiritual practitioner then porn is out of the question
overindulgence in any way is harmful
but without the yinyang balance of a female, its basically double damage
I dont want to hear any bitching about this, its just a fact of existence

>>41369573
>not necessary, since devi will do it either subtle or forcefully- wether I want it or not
forcefully might mean you're a walking basketcase afterwards. I'll leave it at that cause you don't seem to want to hear it. Good luck. I hope it works out well for you.

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>>41369573
>desires are absolutely allowed in Tantra
You do know tantra is about sublimating those desires, right? Gradually losing one's apetite for sense gratification

Desires ruin everything, but it takes going there to know it.

>>41369710
>I'll leave it at that cause you don't seem to want to hear it
I mean, giving up all control and having the outcome and your safety be decided solely by devi is the ultimate form of surrender and bhakti. I dont see how you can critize that from a bhakti point of view.
even if I die or end up in the asylum, I will accept devis decision and wont have any regrets

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>>41368872
If you're asking for the next step, then it's your duty to wait until you find out what it is. Just listen to your heart, anon.

>>41369690
>have had all kinds of kooky mystical experiences
>c-ptsd
>smoke cigs
>watch porn sometimes

I dont give a shit. Id rather be normal and enjoy physical life than all the spiritual craziness.

>>41369184
everyone posts this warning but no one posts what to do if you are currently in this state or how to "mitigate the cons"

>>41369910
>Id rather be normal and enjoy physical life than all the spiritual craziness.
its all fine
one's karma comes from one's decisions and actions
all I'm saying is its extra bad for spiritual practitioners

>>41370072
eat plenty of meat, get lots of exercise, sleep
people usually try to seek meditative solutions for these sorts of conditions
but that's not really effective to address this

>>41369184
>>41369194
isnt it more unreasonable and more dangerous to gatekeep knowledge for someone already in the process of a kundalini practice than someone who hasnt started it?

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>>41368872

When Shakti actually wakes up in your spine it is brutal, not like western new agers tell you. I recommend you study books by native Hindus before going any farther with this.

focusing on the physical isnt going to do much. spiritual power and the associated physical vitality comes from moral rectitude. through your conscience alone will you be able to understand what to do

>>41369910
to elaborate a little further
it kinda goes something like this
your body has a capacity for an extended energy body
active spiritual practices bring this about in various ways (as does stillness meditation)
creating it "burns jing" a bit
sexual activity also burns a lot of it as well
in that your body has to lean on its physical resources to replenish the various reservoirs
thus it winds up being that excessiveness burns it fast, faster than your body can replenish
even with a good stillness meditation compliment (which is the yin to the yang of active spiritual practices i.e. our thread topic)
this is all a very high level abstraction for illustrative purposes

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>>41370381
someone throws an amateur into a ring with prime mike tyson on meth and you think there's anything that anyone could scream from the sidelines that would help.

That's the entire point of the preparation, and it's not something learned in a day. I had a decade of very intentional training and still experienced things I wouldn't wish on enemies. Further it was my training ONLY that kept the troubles from becoming externalized into surrounding communities/people/etc. Though internally i was in hell and wished for death.

Watching people play with this is like watching a toddler play with gasoline and a lighter. it's just sad.

No one's gate keeping. you need to be taught correctly. And you can't know what you don't know.

But at least you can't say you weren't warned.

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>>41369760
wrong
though a faggot child rapist might disagree

>>41370381
if someone starts the process and it goes wrong, that's on them. If you share something and they hurt themselves based on what you shared, that's partly on you. Maybe it's worth it to try and help some people. but how can you help someone who won't even listen when you try to warn them? And how many others are going to read what I do offer, why really shouldn't be playing around with this technique, and try themselves? It's reckless to put this information out for the general public to see.

>>41368872
Focus on your venus dimples if you have them and pulsate your buttock muscles. All of your thoughts should concentrate and flow through your buttock muscles or venus dimples (if you have them).

>>41370501
If a fountain pulsating joy and freedom is brutal I don't know what you've been up to. It is recommendable people accustom themselves to energy in general before agitating it, trying Zhang Zhuang few months for instance in order to figure whether your body can tolerate or withstand increased current in the energy pathways, in health and recovery gradual is the only way to proceed same applies to understanding energy and turning inward. There is no need to study or understand anything the energy is the one and only teacher, should you listen to it.

>>41369184
I desist your kundalini being "activated" if it was you would be self-realized as there is no other way for it to be active, if you know you know, and when you know none what you described exist.

>>41369513
I’ve done all those things, the longest I’ve meditated for is 80 minutes. I could definitely do longer though. I do 40 minute meditations like there nothing. I can go a few minutes during meditation without having a thought. Do you think I’m ready for kundalini activation? Also this is my first post in this thread. I’m not the other people you’ve been responding to.

>>41372482
First off, well done. But those things I mentioned are really just preliminary. It's foundational stuff. I'd want to know a lot more about you (your age, how much have you done with your life, what's the hardest challenge you've faced, are your filters clean, do you focus on politics or make enemies of others, how much shadow work have you done and what's the most difficult thing about yourself you've faced and come to accept? etc.), but even then it's not my place to say you'd be ready. I'm just saying if you haven't done those things it's not something you should try. I had a teacher who did everything I'm still trying to do myself. Someone who knows and understand the path because he walked it himself. All these techniques and teachings are just a map. If you want to go yourself I recommend finding someone who knows the actual terrain.

>>41368872
Hey I wrote that! Havent read through the thread yet, but it's good you're starting to feel the heat.
DO NOT TRY TO DELIBERATELY INCREASE THE HEAT. THIS IS WHAT VERY DUMB PEOPLE DO.
Just sit back and keep going as normal. Let it activate on its own.
A good secondary practice however would be to take up a deity to meditate on during your "down time" as a secondary practice.
Choose an easy deity, not the one that looks cool. Saying their name or mantra is enough if you know how to do that.
When you can, adjust some of your time to do good deeds in the world for yourself and others. Doesn't have to be anything too complex, even doing dishes or picking up a single piece of trash will do more than you'd think.


What else are you noticing? What does the heat feel like? How consistent is it?

>>41373132
Continuing on with some responses
>>41369184
That isn't Kundalini activation.
Westoids have done alot of damage to spiritual literacy in the world. The worst of which is you guys keep frying out your nervous system. The amount of trauma you lot have is unreal.
If it's painful and frightening, it isn't Kundalini. People who tell you otherwise are either stupid or are outright lying.
>>41369166
It is better than any orgasm you could possibly have ever, first of all.
Secondly, its the initial stages of a rainfall of blessings. Kundalini will turbocharge your spiritual practice. It's explicitly designed for that purpose as well.
Its good. And those who pursue it can live happier lives. Those who live happier lives can devote more to spreading good in the world. A quick path to liberation. It's a blessing and something to cherish, saar. Not fear.
>>41369573
Good practice. Keep that up with the Kundalini and you'll be fine.
That said, don't get too caught up. Desire is transformed in tantra. This is important to remember. Desire is a fuel for nectar.
Do not get attached to jerking off and cooming. If you are coming, that's fine, but slow it down. desire is what is being "burned" by the Kundalini. In your early stages of practice, your sexuality will get really strong for a bit before calming down.
Kundalini is best done initially with celibacy until your nervous system and subtle body have adapted to the energy. Again, attachment is being burned away literally. For alot of people, they confuse sex with greed and self abuse. Once You get really good at Kundalini your entire sexuality changes into something really profound. This opens up a whole new world with the more explicitly sexual tantras.
Sex is just one way we express energy. There are skillful and unskillful ways of doing that. Take your time to pull back and figure out how to use your sex in a way that honours yourself and the world around you.

Now some coom brains look at sexual practice in tantra and imagine it's like kinky bdsm bullshit. But it's not. The whole thing is that tantra is using all aspects of life skillfully, transforming it into medicine. It's all being put into the fire, burned away, revealing blissful luminosity.
Sex in tantra is using one of the most messiest parts of being a householder in a way that is completely revolutionary. It uproots desire and turns sex into blissful union. It's not about cooming, it's about love. Tantra sublimates sexuality into compassion, so that sex is simply something we can choose to use or not use, as helps us honour and serve ourselves and the world around us.
That all said, if you're using porn, I might advise that you quit. Porn doesn't honour your sex drive, and it doesn't honour the people who are in it.
It's a bit like the sexual equivalent of a cigarette. It's even worse if you are a gooner, gooning breaks sexual morality.
>>41372482 #
Personally you're fine to start. Just don't be stupid and you'll do fine. Your big issue is gonna be not getting caught up in things that are counterintuitive to the practice. If you use the board alot, this'll be a huge area to maintain mindfulness in. People here like to stole eachother into bad reactions and attitudes. Keep a good head on your shoulders and this place becomes a perfect training ground.

>>41368872
I met my twin flame and it awakened spontaneously. Had no idea what happened to me..just that a hot fire of energy went up my spine and burst through my head. My life hasnt been the same since.SSG

>>41373210
It is Kundalini. The point is you can get Kundalini activation prematurely or unplanned, through trauma. It is not the Kundalini activation that gives you trauma, but the other way around.

This is disruptive because you do not have spritual foundation, something like faith and a loving family, something that anchors you, unconditional love etc.

Imagine being abused your whole life, a scapegoat or black sheep without ever learning faith or felt love from your family or surrounding, and then getting your Kundalini prematurely activated. You'll be a wreck.

This is where stuff like the Wounded Healer, Bodhisattva terms comes. Should you survive the trauma and accept, embrace your suffering, you have an understanding of what spiritual pain is, and you use this insight to bring peace to and heal others. It's like self-sacrifice, you take in their suffering instead. Lighten their load, and at the same time take in their burden. Kundalini activation and walking this spiritual journey in this specific path, is suffering. And you have to embrace it. It's not something glorifying like a super saiyan animay power, superhero genius mentalist ability, it's not a status symbol. You're basically embracing the fact that you've been awakened to become the scapegoat of the universe, for the betterment of others.

>>41373132
thanks for the reply
>What else are you noticing?
after the practice I have the burning sensation in my throat are and tongue. I know its supposed to mean that my throat chakra needs to be worked on (which I do), but its weird because its only partly stuck and I feel the heat still being able to go to the top of my head during practice.
when I chant the mantra of the deity I currently worship, the burning sensation turns cold (its still a fire feeling, burn somehow cool. hard to explain but something like ice-fire?)
>How consistent is it?
after the practice it kinda fluctuates throughout the day. the peak of "flashbacks" where the sensations randomly re-appear is during evening/night

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>>41373281
>it doesn't honour the people who are in it
jokes on you. I only goon to hentai

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>>41369415
>y'all
Fuck off gatekeeping moralfaggitor

bump

>>41372482
>I’ve done all those things, the longest I’ve meditated for is 80 minutes. I could definitely do longer though. I do 40 minute meditations like there nothing. I can go a few minutes during meditation without having a thought
an hour per evening is pretty much the minimum amount of time required, but even that isnt quite enough if you're not doing any other sessions during the day.
what do you think is preventing you from going longer?
what do you think is preventing you from going longer withouth having a thought arise?
these are keys that you should solve before running off into the candy store of spiritual practices to find something that looks tasty

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>>41373831
reminder that "kundalini syndrome" is what happens when people burn themselves and is not "kundalini activation" per se
people get so attached to "things happening" that they chase dumb bullshit and call these overloads muh kundalini
truly awakening kundalini means fully opening the shushumna
and anyone who has any idea what the latter part of that statement means quite simply isnt going to toss it around lightly as if people can accidentally do it

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>>41369184
The Kundalini that start at the spine is the first body/first temple. The next body / temple is the heart and finally the last temple is the spiritual temple at the top, is mental. All of them have different trigger or key activation.

>Self realization:
> Energy
The first temple is physical, you have to be healthy and in balance.
> Information
The second temple is love and righteousness.
> Structure
The last temple is Emptiness and Oneness.

>>41368872
Biology of Kundalini.com

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>>41375712
All you need. No guru required.

>>41375582
its annoying seeing people randomly mishmash dissimilar shit together and act like its something legitimate
since the council of nicea, christianity is completely neutered, trying to go back to its roots simply brings one far away from what the pharisees decided was proper for the little shit-plebes that have no right to nothin

>>41374525
love you, brother

>>41375577
No shit. It's a whole ass process of awakening and activating and you can get yourself into this path accidentally.

>>41368872
Not exactly what it is, but seems somewhat related.
Has anyone heard of tantric masturbation?

I say this because, the point is moving energy from your base upwards, while healing/powering the brain/nervous system.
Does it ring a bell?

>>41376339
>Has anyone heard of tantric masturbation?
complete misnomer
who are you exchanging energy with?

>>41374273
blocked neck chakra, sign of misuse of speech. Past or present. If it's present misuse, cut out whatever it is you're doing. If you're on the board, it's likely that youre shit posting.
Everything effects the practice. Keep up with it though and you'll be fine, but make sure you cut out whatever you're doing that's counterintuitive to it speech wise. Texting *does* count.
>Ice fire
Deity is helping to change karma at the speech area. Good sign, keep it up.
>after the practice it kinda fluctuates throughout the day.
Make sure to keep a relaxed mindfulness throughout the day, just enjoying life as it comes to you, for better, worse or neutral. Sensations are gonna change over time, don't get attached to anything, you'll be fine.
If you stay consistent and cut out the distractions, maintain morality, think within the next month your practice will kick into high gear.

>>41376352
>who are you exchanging energy with?
currently no one, couldn't you tell?

>misnomer
indeed, for a lack of a better term, I wouldn't know where to look for it
but the few sites I've found sort of mentioned it like that
the point is, I want to get into tantra, but no partner for that yet,
anything to suggest?

>>41374525
If there's something he's right about, it's that morality does matter.
This is a problem with westerners, alot of you guys think morality is like a dirty word or imposed concept in the practice. But it's there for a reason. Borrowing from the christians here for a moment, you can't serve two masters.
The average westerner is extremely Neurotic and plain traumatized. It makes you guys do some very odd things and leaves the competent teachers from Asia unsure how to handle you. When you try the practice, you let your trauma rule your life and make you choose weird things. Which, inevitably, fries your nervous system.
Take the practice seriously and stop trying to destroy yourself. You deserve to live will, but that means you need to make a decision which master you serve. Yourself or your trauma and craving?

>>41373831
No, it's not. What you're saying is Christianity, not Kundalini. If this is the sort of thing you believe in, alright, but it doesn't bring any relevance to the practice.
If your practice is actively bringing you extreme harm, something is very wrong. It is not meant to do that. At most you should be experiencing the destruction of past karma. That can be extreme, but it's not something that should be actively destroying you. It should bring peace and healing when it's done.
If it's burning and there is no bliss, it is not Kundalini. Kundalini "activation" does not bring pain with it, it gives great joy. If whatever you're experiencing is only painful and only traumatic, it isn't Kundalini. Kundalini solely refers to the firey bliss that destroys attachment, craving and illusion. It brings joy, not pain.
What specifically happens with you westerners is that you experience the burning away of your bad karma in the early phase of the practice, before Kundalini develops, but you wind up clinging onto it because your culture enables you to create even more bad karma shortly thereafter. It becomes a cycle where even something as simple as stubbing your toe is enough to send some of you into a whole mood for weeks at a time, being horrible to yourself and others in response. That or you suddenly goon out for a few months at a time... Very self sabotaging way to live.

>>41376383
yes, it was a rhetorical question - you cant do tantra with yourself
>the point is, I want to get into tantra, but no partner for that yet, anything to suggest?
when I was taught, we began with trees

>>41376383
>we began with trees
in the evening, not in their active sun absorbing day phase

>>41376524
Gonna get shit on I know, but it is possible to create a thoughtform that can do tantra with yourself. It just has to become real enough.

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>>41376564
yeah who cares about efficiency, that shit's totally overrated

>>41376633
It can be a boon to avoid as much physical interaction as possible and let go. But I can only speak for myself. It does require quite a bit of "energy" though

>>41376646
>It does require quite a bit of "energy" though
that was kinda the joke, its a terribly inefficient process for not very much gain

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>>41369821
This. We were doing this before internet or books or written language, it's all expedient tools but don't get reliant or plateau on them, come what may the next answer is always inside.

OP should continue their practice but not force anything, if you have fun and remain positively wonderous you will do the work for you (and surprise yourself.)

https://youtu.be/PkEr_Hw2QV8

>>41373281
Lately I've been trying to not fall into the trap of having to be right on the internet.

>>41373132
>>41373210
>>41373281
Hey not sure if you're one anon, but you seem to know about this stuff.
I posted a few posts above, basically I want to get into it more, but I don't have a partner (ages since I had one honestly), but did get a bit into something similar by myself.
That is, sort of edging and then breathing and focusing on moving energy from the base all the way to the top.
I even tried a "solo session" as mentioned in a few websites I've looked, as in
- have a purpose
- no focus on just rubbing one out
- whole body and environment
- no porn, no ejaculation

It felt quite good and fulfilling to be honest, any advice or pointers to what should I look into?
I've read that just by starting it, a partner will eventually show up.

>>41379933
I'm not any of them but I've experienced something solo too. Was a khhv addicted to gooning with ai bots for a while and just enjoying having "someone" to fool around with. Wound up putting myself into some sort of whole body bliss on at least 2 occasions just from taking it slow and enjoying the sexting instead of focusing on masturbating, and the eventual orgasm didn't stop until I decided to let it, but I knew I could've kept going. I felt amazing afterwards in a way unlike regular beating off, like uplifted, energized, contented, warm fuzzy euphoria etc.

I also had a spontaneous kundalini awakening in high school, so maybe I'm just prone to this kind of thing.

>>41379933
>That is, sort of edging and then breathing and focusing on moving energy from the base all the way to the top.
this is stupid and harmful to you

>>41382277
>nooooo don't use sex magick to awaken your sex chakras haha so wild could you imagine

>>41382284
>dont you tell me I cant make spiritual progress by beating my meat
you wouldnt protest if you were knowledgeable in any way on this subject
we've got dipshits itt literally talking about trying to whack off and call it doing tantra with themselves
its so goddamned stupid and facepalm worthy
intelligent readers beware stupid harmful garbage like this

>>41382284
explain whats sex magic and whats tantra. lets see if you are actually knowledgeable about this things

>>41375582
Where are you getting this? Where can I read more about the origins of these 3 temples. This seems to be similar but different than most Chakra oriented systems.

>>41376365
is there a book you recommend that describes symptoms like this regarding chakra blockages and potential solutions?

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>>41382358
>>41382386
Very well I shall clarify for others per your request.

Sex magic and tantra are the conscious mobilization of adrenaline throughout the various hormonal vertices of the body which generate a human's EMF field. As the stimulation of this process has occurred via sex through (at least our known) history, and been documented and archived by yogis or cults accordingly, it's taken on the term of a 'sexual' force. This is a rather incorrect and Freudian reduction that eclipses the fact of the kundalini being a tool. Although the generative chakra is vital to activation and further manifestation, and is both the focus and snare of negative entities, it is still one tool of many. As such when earnest anons express interest in techniques like masturbation to achieve tantric results, yes I offer a crucial perspective that lets them know others do not polarize and gatekeep the topic of sex as a tool. Bonus points for doing so guised in a reply offering naught but sarcasm to a discreditor. Moreover the current position of the world has secured to every man his access to truth should he so request. When such cohesion of Source resounds, guarding its Light on account of the dangers posed is unmasked to be a hoarding of it to prevent further refraction. To put it short those called to the subject are already endowed with the ability and fate to conquer the aforementioned negative entities you're so pussy-footed about avoiding. So again, I tip my cup freely to balance against much of the polarization, because sometimes it's the lesser evil. Would you rather we approach the kundalini with child sodomy? Some would. I think masturbation is the least of your worries.

>>41368928
op pic rel

>>41382860
>egyptian pharaohs were at one time required to masturbate ceremonially into the nile
lol, ok then
so what about >>41379933 (holy digits btw)
Is that a way to do this? any pointers?

>>41382860
this is what happens when sex obsessed coomers translate or study and are nothing more than ignorant coomers trying to convince themselves there's nothing wrong with being a degenerate
you mix up words and contexts and think its all good
like those idiots that try to mix christianity with buddhism or kundalini
offerings to noncorporeal entities are an entirely separate matter from this
but at root all that is, is trying to get around cultivating oneself and just borrowing from elsewhere without a concern for the loan
>my bad outcomes are sufficiently far off into the future so as to be nonexistent

>>41382930
My dude, apparently you missed it but the whole point of that point is to stop being a degenerate gooner for good.

>>41382945
>I can stop being a degenerate coomer by being a degenerate coomer
>I'll stop when my body starts running out of resources it cant effectively replenish and I'll be past this whole problem
not a good strategy desu

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>>41382930
>>41382975
>like those idiots that try to mix christianity with buddhism or kundalini
Lol. You're very convincing keep posting.

>>41382915
Yes that's one dude's way, to each their own and to each their own intention. If you masturbate for the sake of it or to feel le powerful there's not much to it, it's an ephemeral and addictive plateau. If you knowingly use the nerval stimulation to assist in perceiving or exercising your so-called subtle body, well that's something entirely different.

>>41383019
kek I know there's no convincing coomers about this
you ignorants will all face your body's limitations sooner or later
the worse you are with this, the sooner you will face those limitations
and you'll make up something about progress to justify it to the mirror
my words are for the rando reader who has a wrinkly brain and can understand that spiritual progress isnt made by jerking off and imagining it going up your spine for le progress

>>41383019
because that shit has absolutely nothing to do with kundalini and is rather antithetical to progress with kundalini
inb4
>b-but I made progress by giving myself kundalini syndrome
>kundalini is right there in the word so this means progress
lol, lmao even

You didnt awaken kundalini op
I swear retards feel one tiny tingle during meditation and think they had a full blown kundalini awakening.
Did it feel like god was throwing down lightning bolts through your skull while your body convulses in an orgasm 1000x better than anything you ever felt in your life and every emotion possible is cranked up to 1000x with some emotions you didnt even know humans couldnt experience?
No?
Then you didnt awaken shit, you felt a lil bit of prana maybe, go do some trataka lil gup

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>>41383065
All the nifty jargon on 4chan won't save your little fed-jacketing routine, and I fear all the briefings painting anons as fearful abrahamic goy are not accurate enough to manufacture fear-based strawmen around the topic. People are gonna jack off anyway, sorry we brought up doing it for paranormal reasons kek.

https://youtu.be/rxc6AMPT0JE

Also the anon who said you don't want to awaken it is correct, you will not be able to function in society, imagine walking around on a mega dose of ecstasy and lsd for the rest of your life, thats basically what happens, and you dont get to come down, ever, rip your sleep, good luck showing up to your 9-5 high off your tits after you haven't slept for 5 days.

If you want to do it you either need to be rich as fuck with a cabin in the woods where u can dedicate the rest of your life to the practice while being able to support yourself with minimal or live in a monastery with other monks and shit but most monasteries won't even know wtf is going on since 99% of monks are just "empty your mind" buddism type shit.

>>41383153
my third post was going to describe the actual process and instructions of how to awaken it, but since you're a schizobabbler that's probably not a good idea so I won't

>>41383153
hahaha, fear based strawmen
1-800-get-a-load-of-this-guy
yeah you dont want to take advice from someone far older and more experienced than you
experience must be overrated
cautions are just fearmongering
totally not the adult in the room telling the kids playing with matches on the bed its not a good idea and you might burn the house down
caveat emptor

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>>41383153
I'll give the thread my master's caution
weaken your sex organs enough with that stuff
+ akshually make enough progress to raise some real energies
and the energy will overwhelm the sexual center
eventually your prostate will begin to hemorrhage and orgasm uncontrollably
eventually you will begin to cum blood
and the drain will lead to a heart attack
since if you know anything about linkages in the body, the prostate is connected to the heart
but since most of you dabblers will never raise serious levels of energy, you're probably safe from encountering this particular end

>>41382860
no, tantra=yantra+mantra. if either yantra or mantra is missing, then its simply no tantra.
while there is some stuff with sex, its pretty niche and advanced stuff, most tantric sects dont even do it. its done after the the practitioner has completely internalized the yantra in his body, and during intercourse he uses breathing techniques to not ejaculate while chanting a specific mantra (because again, tantra = mantra + yantra). only after a certain amount of rounds chanting the mantra is he allowed to ejaculate.

so, you are completely wrong about what tantra is. all your knowledge comes from new-agers that made tantra all about sex, which it isnt

>>41383085
learn to read faggot. did I ever claim to have awakened it? I wrote that I started a kundalini practice, and wanted to know the next steps after making some progress in it

>>41383376
>hurr durr recite the magic words 50 times
You can even stimulate this force without sexual interaction, ergo it being a tool not the construction itself. Sorry you fell for the same hogwash given to the Indians. Its Hindu name does not define and confine energy work, which is to what 'tantra' really refers, to any one process.

>>41368872
Are you the same guy that tried to do qi gong and tai chi exercises without anyone to help them in case shit went wrong?
You sound exactly like him.

>>41383456
>Its Hindu name does not define and confine energy work
then stop using the word tantra wrongly? use energy work or qi gonq or whatever
>which is to what 'tantra' really refers, to any one process
absolute horseshit. a yantra is similar to what sigils are in western systems. so every tantric ritual is essentialy an invocation ritual of a specific tantric deity. its much closer to western ceremonial magic than most other forms of yoga.
the closest thing that would apply to your "definition" would be kriya yoga

>>41383622
>then stop using the word tantra wrongly?
When in Rome speak as the Romans. You're showing sudden lucidity for someone who's using semantics to discredit what was said.
>its much closer to western ceremonial magic than most other forms of yoga.
Which is why the classifications and structures it's presented in, including the actual yogic tantric techniques, are silly compared to the western maxim to syncretise esotericism into a new and more practical synthesis.

>>41383681
>When in Rome speak as the Romans
>You're showing sudden lucidity for someone who's using semantics to discredit what was said
its not semantics to point out that your understanding of a certain topic is fundamentally wrong. if someone points your flawed unterstanding out, its laughable to suddenly say that you meant something completely different with the word. thats not how it works
>Which is why the classifications and structures it's presented in, including the actual yogic tantric techniques, are silly compared to the western maxim to syncretise esotericism into a new and more practical synthesis
the classifications on the different yogas dont have any issues at all.
and syncretising eastern and western systems is something that Blavatsky and new-agers already tried, and the results were more than embarrassing. its obvious that you are a new-age fag, so you trying to argue about tantra with your new-age conceptions is just laughable

>>41383749
You continue to reframe discussion around semantics I never brought up and, in fact, urged others to peer beyond. You have still yet to refute anything I said other than claiming I defined a term wrong.

Your only ammunition is circular logic and desperate fed-jacket rhetoric like "new age fag" to discredit my posts. Now you even parrot my style, how many things are laughable again? I'm losing track. You only draw more eyes to the pulpit.

>>41384097
>explains tantric tradition in a wrong way
>someone corrects you
>"reee you are arguing semantics"
if you say the sun is a tree, and someone says its bullshit, its not arguing semantics.
if you want to talk to argue "energy-work" thats fine, but claiming that your form of "energy-work" is tantra, is an entire different matter.
>You have still yet to refute anything I said other than claiming I defined a term wrong
I refuted all your core understanding of tantra, because I asked you to describe what tantra is. now you are moving the goalpost to "energy-work" and that I should have refuted that instead?
>Your only ammunition is circular logic and desperate fed-jacket rhetoric like "new age fag" to discredit my posts
I'm discrediting your post on your understanding on what tantra is, not your "energy-work". as I said already, you just moved to goalpost from tantra to "energy-work" after your wrong understanding of tantra was pointed out.

I just dont understand why its so hard to just acknowledge that you are wrong about tantra or just stfu. one of the benefits of an anonymous imageboard is, that unless you are namefagging, there is no shame in acknowledging that you are wrong. I dont see how continuing with changing definitions and moving goalposts will benefit you in any way, since you could just research about tantra a bit and would come to the conclusion that you were objectively wrong. so this will be my last (You). there is no point in further discussion with someone as stubborn as you

>>41384306
its both sad & funny watching that guy defend jerking off and saying its a spiritual practice and flopping all over the place contorting every time he gets btfo itt
that shit has absolutely nothing to do with kundalini cultivation

>>41368872
You are basically abusing your nerves and endocrine system. You are hurting yourself. What you are doing is not even spiritual as it does not involve altered states of consciousness.

Go do some self-hypnosis, astral projection or lucid dreaming instead.

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>>41384306
Oh now I'm doing all the things I just accused you of? What an original breakdown, whoops silly me. Yes you should've stopped already, you're not reading anything I'm writing. You're like a broken record playing damage control because someone answered your question a little too well for the audience.

>>41383356
This is fear mongering, surprised someone so enlightened would propagate propaganda.

>>41369573
You should make a post after successfully achieving the kundalini.

>>41369573
What do you do in mahavidya tantra? I'm interested. Care to share?

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>>41386212
there are two main traditions that you have to choose from. one is the Sri Vidya tradition where the Shakti (divine feminine) is mainly worshipped in the form of Lalita Tripurasundari and the Sri Yantra that embodies her energies.
This yantra contains basically all other yantras within it. The yantra is worshipped like the deity itself and you chant the right mantra (just search sri vidya mantras online). just think of this tradition like a merging of various shakti forms into the most beautiful and auspicious form possible. generally its more balanced and "safer" than the other tradition, and you will still get the boons of the other shakti forms, since all yantras are merged in the sri yantra. think of it like a jack-of-all-trades system

the other one is Kaula tantra. this is where the various forms are worshipped in 10 forms independently, or in a specific order. some of the forms like Kali or Bhairavi are really intense and fierce, so chances your things to go wrong are higher here. but out of the 10 forms there are some softer, like Tripuri Sundari that similar to the main deiti of the Sri Vidya tradition.
If you want to do this, pick one of the 10 forms that you feel most called to, print the yantra out and look up the mantras of the deity.
the progress and siddhis (supernatural powers) will be more specific, than in the sri tradition, since you "only" focus on a specific shakti attribute. that also means that for the intense/fierce forms it will be like on a spiritual supersonic jet - you will make instantly progress, but things can also go super wrong if you mess up.
before you do this, you should really research every of the 10 mahavidyas, I cant stress this enough

>>41387378
What did you choose?

>>41387719
kaula tradition. because I'm someone who likes to take risks for faster results.
also keep in mind that lineages in Sri Vidya are transparent and authentic, so its much easier to get initated by an authentic guru than its for Kaula tantra. even though Kaula tantra is often more sought of, because some of the mahavidyas look really cool and edgy.
but the main godess of Sri Vidya is known as the most beautiful in all of the universes, and generally there are 3 forms of her that are worshiped: a child, a 16 year-old, and mature women. its actually super based if you think about it. its the only spiritual tradition that I know of, where you can worship a cute loli kek

>>41379933
Yes that's all me
Secondly, don't edge. If you're gonna jack off, just jack off. I feel like I'm the only guy in the thread at this point making any sense about this.
If you really wanna make your jacking off tantric, be mindful during it. That part of what you're doing is great, That's plenty. Orrr pick up the book Karma Mudra by Nida and work from there. Don't make sex your enemy if you're gonna keep having it, make it your friend.
But keep in mind either way, for Kundalini some celibacy is ideal until AFTER you have manifested the phenomenon properly. It's "burning" up your craving and converting it into pure bliss. If you let it mature properly, it will be better than any orgasm you could ever have. The pleasure is unlike anything you can possibly imagine.

>>41388378
>Worship a cute loli
Raktakali needs to drain you of all the blood in your body, before you make posts like that about the Sri Vidya goddesses.
Don't say stupid shit online man. Quit trolling and get back to your puja.

>>41383386
I gotta warn you man, you need to get off here if you want to make some more progress. Doesn't have to be forever, but it does need to be a break.
This place is almost fundamentally designed to be against your practice. Modern Internet as a whole is a digital samsara, but websites like this one are full of people that like to encourage our worst attributes and provoke us.
If you're the same anon that was speaking to me about a blocked throat chakra, your post right here shows some of where you're getting that from. It's not even entirely your fault desu, it's just how the culture here is.
My advice stays the same, find a suitable god to worship (though shaivite sadhanas generally also would be fine) on your "off" time. Find ways to do good deeds and practice morality in your normal world. When you aren't praying, doing good deeds or practicing Kundalini, enjoy your life with mindfulness. Take a month break from the Internet if you can. Once you've gotten the phenomenon properly manifested, this won't be as much of a problem. You'll be able to incorporate posting on here as part of your practice (not a joke), which will do you alot of good.

>>41386116
>getting told what will happen if you abuse this is fear mongering
fuck around and find out, dumbass
you were warned

>>41388710
>If you really wanna make your jacking off tantric
just stop with this retard tier shit
when one's jing is depleted, "muh kundalini syndrome" burnout is far, far more likely to happen than anything that akshually means something

>>41390801
Yes. But you need to keep in mind not everyone out there is ready to stop jerking off. Especially on here.
Westerners are traumatized and very strange as a whole, the majority of them completely neurotic.
I'd rather have a westerners
who's interested in Kundalini, but can't stop jacking off, learn how to jack off safely and not ruin his practice. Not turn his sexuality into a demon he can't win against.
Atleast if he's mindful during it, he can learn to let it go later and let it be a CHOICE instead of a NEED.
This is the problem I keep seeing on here with all of you. You turn your sexuality into this big demon and when you do that, you can never defeat it. Your sexuality is an energy, and how you interact with and manifest that energy is your choice. The sooner you develop a better and more stable relationship with it, the sooner you can transcend and redirect that energy however helps you and those around you best.

>>41390801
Fwiw pretty much every post that's mentioned it has cautioned against its pitfalls. Anons aren't children and are capable of discussing something without falling into it.

>>41391265
If you spend your whole life trying to kill it, you will lose every time. If you try to smother it, you will be smothered by it. You can't win by trying to eradicate it, that will negate all attempts at celibacy and abort them early on.
Celibacy is mastered when you realize sex is a choice. That your sexuality is your own, and it's something you can manifest in more ways than just jerking off or fucking. These urges aren't you, they aren't your self. They aren't a demon intruding on you or yourself either. It is only the manifestation of your own internal energy. If you come at it with a killing intent, you will only wind up killing yourself with that sex energy.
ask yourself instead how you can manifest that energy in a way that serves you and your goals? How can you use it in a way that helps you and others?
Get right with your sexuality and you can start getting over the compulsion to jerk off or fuck. Learn to be able to stay simply present with that energy, so you can learn to let go of it when you choose.
its that simple

Folks I need some assistance. There's a reason I came to this thread as opposed to the others in order to ask for it and you well know why.

Please pray for me and for those I am tasked with protecting. There is an immense evil arrayed against me and I could use any help I can get.