I assume you are a faggot

dont worry bro, we still love you, just from a far

Stop trying to manifest. If you intend to manifest something, you are implying that you do not have whatever it is you are trying to manifest. You need to embody already having that thing you want, and when you feel like you already have it, it is done in the 3d. So stop trying to manifest, and start feeling like you already have the thing you want and that it
is already coming.

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Interesting method

>>41379055
>to achieve your every desire
but the goal of life is to become desireless

>>41379428
Sounds like a low T cope

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I'm learning

>>41379428
man get your buddhist ass outta here loa is for hedonists, wtf is the point of life if you're not living it

>Manifesting for an abundant sex life
>People start constantly asking me for sex
>It's all dudes
I'm pretty sure I'm straight but then why am I manifesting guys? I don't want no fucking dicks dammit. I don't even know and I accidentally agreed with for ONS with one guy already. Holy fuck make it stop.

>>41379772
>I accidentally agreed with for ONS with one guy already
I'm sorry to break it to you anon, but you might be a homosexual. Not once in your post did you mention women or their bodies.

>>41379428
By achieving your innermost desires you can feel content and overcoming them, therefor becoming desireless.
inb4 there is a thin line achieving and endless chasing, that's why both ideas can work together

>>41379828
I will never stop

A tip for my fellow cyberstalkers, when you search your feelings are at their peak. Make sure they're positive and in tine with your other manifestations. Would be a shame to accidentally manifest your SP being a flaming homosexual.

>>41379772
Do you have any mental blocks around women?
I also am manifesting a sex life, and I have opportunities with autistic women, fat women, old women, and of course men, but not one person who I had an even moderate interest in.
I think it's because I have blocks around anyone I desire, even if that person is objectively fairly average.

>>41379097
This.
The reason this shit fails for most people is a magickal principle known as "Lust For Result." You affirm, you look for results, you don't see results, so you affirm some more because you really want it... all you really end up manifesting is wanting the damn thing.
My breakthrough was a bout of insomnia. Nothing sucks worse than laying in bed wanting to go to sleep but not being able to. So you lay there, waiting for sleep to set in, looking for signs, and it never happens. Sleep only sets in when you forget about sleeping and just let your brain focus on other shit... often after you make peace with the fact that it might happen in a few hours or so but you're not going to force it to happen now.

>>41379673
Life's a pussy - you can either fuck it or be a cuck and watch others fuck it

>>41380205
>often after you make peace with the fact that it might happen in a few hours or so but you're not going to force it to happen now.
This is a good line.
I've been struggling with letting go of desire for a while, I think this might be the kicker.

>>41380223
I think what we want to avoid is that loop of constantly desiring that thing, like I said. We just manifest desiring it more instead of what we actually want.
You see this play out with SPs all the time. I didn't even really want my SP when I first started, just just seemed like someone it would be fun to date. Fuck me if it didn't turn into full on limerence because I kept trying to force it.

Okay anon, I need a hand deciding what I want - I have two parallel future realities in my head that are radically different and I am unable to decide which one to pick; both are equal.

Just go general or what?

>>41380319
All things considered equal, general is better than specific because you allow things to possibly work in ways you didn't even consider, leaving more avenues open.

>>41380205
>often after you make peace with the fact that it might happen in a few hours or so but you're not going to force it to happen now.
I'll tell you brother, this is the hardest part, specially when its upon you, like a date or meeting with the SP, a big event or a deadline that you're coming upon.
Any tips?

>>41380249
>You see this play out with SPs all the time. I didn't even really want my SP when I first started, just just seemed like someone it would be fun to date. Fuck me if it didn't turn into full on limerence because I kept trying to force it.
fuck me, same thing happens with me, specially when it comes really close, its almost like aiming for the result more than anything and end up getting tangled in the midst of it.

>>41380368
Yeah and that's why seeing 5 girls at the same time gives you the best mindset, you dont gaf if lose a single one = full on abundance and detachment and girls can smell that, like they can smell when ure desperate

>>41380342
I wish I did, I don't always get it right either.
I think the key is expectation management and letting go. Obviously you believe it's going to happen, but the more you fit it to a time frame the more likely it is to fail because then you introduce Lust For Result.
This is from a magickal website but I think the same concepts apply because this is all really the same stuff:
https://galleryofmagick.com/2015/08/21/banishing-your-lust-for-result/

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>41380205
>41380223
>41380249

No you retards - I am sick of you magick/law of attraction niggers shitting up my general. There is NO LETTING GO. You either have it or you don't. The 3D is an illusion and all that exists IS NOW so when you imagine anything you are IMAGINING IT NOW; the 3D will catch up eventually.

SIMPLE. There we go, I just gave you secret to success with the LOA so here is my Paypal, so send me the $500 you fucks owe me for my course.

> anon....why are you so mean to us !!!!111 Dx

Because you fuckers complicate everything by bringing in your bullshit baggage from other practices. You decide the rules because you God so start acting like that. DECIDE the reality you want, CHOOSE IT, and DENY anything that goes against it. SIMPLE.

Prime example:
>41380342
>I'll tell you brother, this is the hardest part,
Yes, you just decided this
>specially when its upon you,
Yes
>like a date or meeting with the SP,
Yes
>a big event or a deadline that you're coming upon.
Yes

See how anon just made up some bullshit for himself? He just decided things have to be difficult when it comes dates, SPs, big events, and a dead line! Incredible! God is so bored he is purposely making his life hard!

Now lets try this again!
>I'll tell you brother, this is the EASIEST part
>SPs, dates, big events, and dead lines! All are so EASY FOR ME

And you know what GOD, the infinite intelligence says to that?
>YES

Now get the fuck out of my general, go read some UL, and post again when you got some pussy and are all millionaires.

>41380368
>41380382

And since I wrote out this post you fuckers just manifested more limitations and restrictions for yourselves. STOP THAT. None of you fucks created these limitations for yourselves when you were manifesting against yourselves.

>>41380437
Didn't ask.
Maybe next time you can manifest proper link backs to the comments you're replying to.

I AM a big tiddy anime girl

>>41380434
Awesome, I'll check it out later

>>41380382
also for you
but one thing I did previously that does work, is self affirming that you: has belief, has abundance, is confident that things come for you, is detached
and by self affirming I don't mean robotic daily affirmations, but doing it SATS for example (yes you can replace a scene for a simple affirmation)

>>41380437
>my general, go read some UL
spotted, but granted, good advice

>>41380437
My 18yo body now then, materialized out of thin air. Should I do that, is it too big to start as a first manifestation? Nobody tried something like this, ppl just manifest easy shit like 10k or a gf.

>>41380470
>waaaaaa I didn't get my (you)
Holy shit, >>41380437 is right. You are a bunch of limitation loving faggots.

I am unable to visualize (Not as in aphantasia) what I want.

Its just, strange, I can conjure up any image, but to actually conjure up what I want? its really hard, and I dont actually know what I want, exactly.

Its a mix of things, my girlfriend (now in a fight) is abroad, and I want to move abroad, to be with her, but I also desire freedom. I dont know if I should even manifest her, because what if this fight prolongs and we break it off?

Its hard to imagine her, its scary, what if I imagine her and then I become somewhat weak and then she doesnt come back from this fight and silence and Im just left more attached because of visualising?

besides that, even if we ignore her, I do want to be abroad, but im not sure where, America, Britain? I don't just want to be in one place forever, I want to be able to travel freely.

I need help, to gather myself and pick a fucking scene to feel as now, to think from it. But its hard, everytime I sit down to do it i procrastinate, and yes it is because I miss her a lot.

>>41381238
self-image work
your I is like a dick, be fucking choosy about what you stick it in otherwise you'll get fucked up

>>41381269
So what you're saying is I should focus on revision and mental diet, and my perception of self? I can try that.
Ive gotten results from manifestation before, but I am not sure, how to go about doing this. What I want this to be abroad, with her or without her, the thing is, it hurts too much to imagine being with her right now? It feels like one of those things some basedboy would do after getting dumped, I dont want to be hung up, and trying to manifest someone back after a fight or what not, that just seems, strangely sad to me.
Although I do know, we both are insanely attached to each other, and always end up coming back.
Anyway, I guess leaving her aside, how do I imagine, being abroad? If I cant pick a country for sure, or want to be free to travel as I please, that is my desire, to be able to travel freely and luxuriously wherever I please.
I've tried imagining airports and airplanes but im worried that its not the end, as neville says, so I dont know what to imagine for my desire, or how to feel it.
Ive manifested a laptop before, and it was easy, just imagine the physical object, in my hands and lap and so on, but this? How do I go about this?

>>41381351
>able to travel freely and luxuriously wherever I please
>"I am able to travel freely and luxuriously wherever I please."
there's your affirmation, or at least a starting point for one.
>I dont know what to imagine for my desire, or how to feel it.
>Ive manifested a laptop before, and it was easy, just imagine the physical object, in my hands and lap and so on, but this? How do I go about this?
just take the idea and sit in it. focus your attention on BEING the world-traveler you want to be. you don't need to determine visuals or emotional content beforehand; you know what you want. you just need to let yourself develop clarity. if your attention wanders, remind yourself with your affirmation. ideas for particular scenes will come, as will emotions, as you train your attention upon being this goal; if you find these are particularly evocative for your focus, then go ahead and use them, too.

>>41381430
Is belief important? I know it works, yet I falter and become anxious, is the solution to just ignore it. Its hard to ignore it because I genuinely feel like im going crazy. How do you tell yourself not to falter or how do you stop doubt?

>>41381430
>>41381442
Also, I always feel a strong urge to masturbate whenever I am about to imagine or visualize, whats this about? Like, its almost like my mind tries to distract me away from it, with jacking off.

>>41381442
belief is what you re-shape when law-working; it is the scaffolding that holds your world the way it is.
>falter and become anxious, is the solution to just ignore it
general self-confidence is the long-term solution to persistent, intrusive doubts; that is a big piece of what identity-work is about. in the mean time, do not try to "fight" these things, just guide your attention away from them when they arise. that is what it means to persist- to guide your attention in spite of diversions.
>>41381450
>whats this about?
>its almost like my mind tries to distract me away from it
look. i have no magical insight into your psychology, so i can't actually give specific advice. my intuition is that it could be a form of anxiety-avoidance; you've indicated you are doubtful and stressed about this sort of thing, and i would imagine that like countless other people you've used orgasm as distraction from negative feelings in the past. if these things are true, then it is just a learned coping pattern. deal with it the same way as any other distracting thing: consciously direct your attention to your goal.

>>41381238
1) you shouldn't get more* attached because of visualization, if anything it should become natural as something that you already should feel as her boyfriend

2) indeed, knowing you could potentially have anything, its quite difficult to narrow down indeed, maybe doing some unbound soul searching is good (for me as well)
for example you could imagine besides a SP, just being abundant and having several girls casual hook ups
I for one, would rather have intimacy with one that really suits me than several casual hook ups.

That being said, trying to manifesting something you don't really want is pretty tricky, its harder to imagine, its get boring quickly and generally a waste of time.
And while on the topic of not being able to visualize something specific, its weird too, happened to me on a few occasions, once I was trying to visualize this SP, and another one just sort popped in her place, I just thought "what the hell, might as well go for this one instead".

>>41379055
How do i visualize the hottest woman that can exist

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I’ve read a lot lately about how effective robotic affirmations work. Does one do them as the name implies, just continuously, robotically adorning the state of the wish fulfilled? Or are people using recordings/AI or something?

>>41382091
you just repeat it in your head/out loud on loop until you feel it. nevilleGAZSP talks about them a lot on youtube.

>>41379055
So I have been starting to read UL but there are a few things im confused on.

1. I am OAP because I am part of ONE thing (line) that makes up all other things. This I can understand but what makes me in control of the ocean when I am just a wave on its surface?

2. I saw some things about hosts and getting "what you really want" because OAP has perfect intelligence and always produces what it loves. Does that mean that you can't actually create what you (think?) you want since you were destined to get it/not get it anyways based on line's perfect intelligence/your contract with hosts before coming here. This seems to be contradictory with the rest of UL since in my mind it doesnt imply im in full control if there is no free will to produce since im doing "what I love" regardless and following the plan set out by the hosts. Can someone explain this to me? Are the hosts even real?

>just don't identify yourself as the character in the game, but as the player behind the scenes, and feel amused as you see the character do the things it needs to get to your goals

Thus is good way to see things ut how do you practice this in daily life ?

>>41379097
>Stop trying to manifest. If you intend to manifest something, you are implying that you do not have whatever it is you are trying to manifest.
What did you achieve with LoA my ro? I appreciate advises but from people who have effectively manifested something, not from people who just read books and just rehash the same info in them. Thanks

>>41379102
>Interesting method
Don't lose your time I tried this one.
I think only sats is good

>>41380205
>So you lay there, waiting for sleep to set in, looking for signs, and it never happens. Sleep only sets in when you forget about sleeping and just let your brain focus on other shit..
So you used LoA to manifest sleep

Hi, I like doing sats, I enjoy my scene and looping it.
I don't want to stop doing it, is it a good or bad thing? I read you have to stop one day or another so it can happen in the 3d, so I am not sure...

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>>41382136

Let me ask you an important question :

If you choose your reality it means you also choose the people who are in it and how they behave or feel.

Then it means you can influence anyone into behaving the way you want, bad or good.

It also means you can heal someone or make someone I'll. It's your reality so you can do all if these.

That's scary, no?

I will believe this stuff when I see a bald man recover his full hair.

Even the elite who are aware of this "law" and have access to many other esoteric things and magick, can't regrow their hair. The whole english royal family is bald...

Yeah I know some of you will say they like their baldness.
Lol

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>>41379772
You need to do a parasite cleanse.
https://www.curezone.org/upload/PDF/The_Candida_Cleaner_by_Dr_Jennifer_Daniels.pdf

How do i do affirmations for a gf? I have had success with affirmations in the past and with sats too but im unsure how to approach this one

>>41379055
Help my bitch ass imagine/manifest winning the lottery.

I have imagined winning and my reactions and plans for years. I assume I will win because why not, someone will win, and having never won before, if I am to ever win, this will be it. These are my assumptions.

I pray for it often and remain faithful to the idea that I will win. I feel it in my heart and even get a really fluttery excitement every time I read the numbers on my ticket for when it will eventually be correct.

Not sure what else there is in the process, please advise.

>>41382123
It's just poorly written refurbished nondualism philosophy.

can we add a rule to this general?

no one is allowed to post until they post proof they are millionaires.

>but i don't want to be a millionaire
just manifest it to post proof here, then you can give it all away.
this will elevate the quality of posts here.

i have been following this thread for years so far and the only sucesses i have seen are like "woah i manifested a coffee, I manifested a sandwich, i manifested getting my dick rubbed by a woman, i manifested getting a haircut" etc...

aside from our lord lilanon who manifested turning into a vampire and getting kidnapped by werwolves

>>41382123

First off you are not part of ONE thing, you are ONE Thing, all of it. OAP just means being ONE-thing as a human vessel, just because you are a human does not mean you are not ONE-thing/ocean/Universal Line

As far as your second point goes, you're mixing levels of truths. Yes, you had contracts to place you where you are rn, your parents, your country, your body, etc but as OAP/UL you can override contracts because you are beyond your contracts. Like if someone came up to a janitor and told him "Hey man, so you were CEO this whole time, you were just pretending to be a janitor and you got bored" so you can see how as CEO, you can start acting like CEO or choose to act as a janitor

>>41382123
Aight let me try to answer you these questions:

>1. If I’m just a wave, how am I in control of the ocean?
You’ve got the analogy backward. Here's the mechanical fact: The wave IS the ocean. Not 'part' of it, it just IS the whole ocean appearing locally.
When you say, “I’m a wave,” you’re (always) identifying with a temporary form, a boundary, a conclusion of perception. But the reality is: You are the ocean pretending to be a wave.
Now, are you “in control” of the ocean? This question still assumes separation. If you ARE the ocean, then the ocean’s control is YOUR control.
The ocean doesn’t “control” waves, it IS them, appearing to move while never moving.
So when the text says “You are the Original Cosmic Supreme Master,” it's pointing to the "Ocean-You", not the wave-you.
The wave-you feels small, temporary, subject to winds and currents. The Ocean-You is all there is, indivisible, all-pervasive, already in control because it’s the only thing that exists.

So in practice, when you sit for Dedicated Time, you’re not the wave trying to move the ocean. You’re the Ocean being still, knowing that any movement on the surface is already your movement.

(cont.)

>>41382577
>i have been following this thread for years so far and the only sucesses i have seen are like "woah i manifested a coffee, I manifested a sandwich, i manifested getting my dick rubbed by a woman, i manifested getting a haircut" etc...
You forgot that guy, life is fun, who's giving advices all over the place, he manifested dating a girl from a forum they were both chatting on since years.

Reminder: if you are manifesting a gf, fapping is counterproductive.
Masturbation = you don't have the gf

>>41382123
>>41382647
>2. If OAP always does what it loves, do I have free will? Are hosts real? Am I just following a pre-set plan?
So, first the question about the "hosts and the Line of Expansion": Yes, in the systemic layer, there are beings (First Systemic Organizers, etc.) who manage the “rules” of your expansion, like stage directors in a play you wrote. But those hosts, the rules, the “contract”, all of that exists 'inside your private dream'.
You’re the dreamer. They’re dream characters. Useful for a while, but not the final authority.

Secondly, about "doing what you love": This is of course not a limitation, it’s the ultimate freedom. “Only doing what you love” is an 'Absolute Fact' about OAP. Even when it looks like you’re suffering, choosing limitation, or “not getting what you want”, from the highest view, you’re still doing what you love most RIGHT NOW based on what you know.
If you believe you’re a victim, you’ll create experiences that confirm it, and in that moment, that’s what you “love” most (because it confirms your identity).
When you know you’re OAP, you “love” commanding your Universe freely.

So, in a nutshell, the "free will vs. determinism" debate is really a systemic-level debate.
From the Absolute perspective, there’s only One Will – Yours. That Will is always free, always choosing, always loving what it does. The “plan” you feel is just You, unfolding in time what’s already complete in the Absolute.

>Are hosts real?
They’re as real as you allow them to be, which means they’re real in the relative, but not in the Absolute.
You can use them, thank them, and then override them when you remember Who You Are.

So to summarize all of this: You’re not a puppet of hosts or a pre-written script. You’re the 'Author' who is pretending to be a character following a script. The moment you stop pretending, the script changes, because you’re writing it.

>>41382680
That's literally putting an unnecessary limitation on yourself, what you're suggesting.

>>41382674
LoA people love gaslighting themselves. go to any post or video and check the replies and they are all middle aged women gaslighting themselves. and you can easily tell they haven't manifested shit.

it's like the breatharian community. they all eat but still believe breatharianism is possible and they are doing it.

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>>41382629
>ONE thing
Something something holographic reality. It seems to me that all exists as one continuum, and that we only change our frame of reference to cause the illusion of division/individuality. Consider the common idea of the "universe within". Assuming everything is a single continuum, then this world inside simply IS the world outside, and if I were to somehow zoom in or out far enough, I would simply come back around to where I am now.

>>41382166
Assuming you're doing the same thing aiming for the same goal every night, then keep doing until you feel it click, like it happened, and naturally let go of wanting to do it.

If you mean you just the act of SATS is enjoyable, but you end up doing different things (even if slightly).
I get your feeling, I've also grown accustomed and turned it into a habit somewhat, but you should stick faithful to the one scene, even write it down if you need to.

The it brings the question on what to do when it clicks but you still keep doing SATS. I personally feel you can move on and try another scene/goal, other anon said to just take a break and wait for the first scene come to fruition.
In practice I've found that the following days or even weeks, I really can't get much into the zone to manifest, or least actually get into that deep SATS, almost as if I'm mentally exhausted, or the sub saying "we already have an order, take a break you bastard".
One way around this is just doing simple affirmations when in SATS, something completely unrelated or that could perhaps help in you main goal, but just keep it simple.
So I guess to each his own, maybe just test it out, keep doing your scene until really clicks or you don't feel like doing it anymore. I want to hear how your experience goes too.

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Im actually shocked how this LOA stuff has been working for me lately. I was severely depressed and feeling hopeless about 3 months ago now and i finally decided to change my mindset and read a bunch of books like the Kyabalion, Neville, Hill, and a bunch of other things. Although things are kind of hard to notice i guess because it's all happening so fast, When i objectively look at my current situation i no longer feel depressed or like a victim, I've lost 20 pounds, I no longer have anxiety when talking to people and i can now have full blown conversations with women without even really trying and i feel like i have direction in my life now and the most amazing thing of all is that i don't even care about getting what i want anymore, it's like im on a roller coaster ride thats just slowly getting me to where i want to be now.

My social anxiety was so bad that i couldn't get out sentences to people and my voice was so quiet and i would freeze up trying to wonder what to say next and all of that is gone now. Literally 2 decades worth of anxiety has simply vanished just like that. It's the most insane thing.

Do negative manifestations exist? I suppose they do, and I believe they are stronger than positive ones in a sense that even a skeptical/oblivious person can easily make them happen without realizing what they are doing and what is the true power of their imagination.
My friend is in a dark place and I want to figure out a way to introduce him to Neville. He is not the kind of guy who would believe such things are possible, so I wanted to point out how his constant whining and self-induced belief that he's worthless already did all that to him, from health problems to alcoholism, so he might as well try and give loa a shot.

>>41383008
Yes, negative manifestations are real, and actually they are usually easier to create than positive ones.

>>41382933
Nice man, I also suffer from social anxiety, heart pounding sweating etc. What technique helped you?

>>41382629
>you are ONE Thing, all of it.
Who is me in this case? I understand that I am the ocean because I am a wave of the ocean, but me (my form, thoughts, perception, etc.) is just a wave no? wouldnt the ocean decide the waves, not "me"?

> Like if someone came up to a janitor and told him "Hey man, so you were CEO this whole time, you were just pretending to be a janitor and you got bored" so you can see how as CEO, you can start acting like CEO or choose to act as a janitor
I see, so this story was made but I can still rewrite it? I just am confused by some of the latter parts of the UL full book (the QA at the end) because a lot of the stories sounded like they just accepted their story instead of actually changing anything. I don't like the current story (find it a bit boring) and I have a "better" one in mind that I want to live as I currently am but don't know if the hosts or whatever let me do that.

>>41382647
How can I prove that I am the ocean and not a wave of the ocean is what I don't quite get. I know that the ocean makes up me because I am at least a wave of it/ONE thing is a part of me and everything else, but how do I know I am the whole ocean. More specifically I am a puppet with strings connected to the ocean. Presumably I am also the ocean holding said strings but I don't know how to prove it? Wouldn't that also make every other wave (objects, people with wants benefiting me, wants against mine, etc.) equally in control and affect my free will/agency?

> So in practice, when you sit for Dedicated Time, you’re not the wave trying to move the ocean. You’re the Ocean being still, knowing that any movement on the surface is already your movement.
So in my command session I am embodying the ocean, not my wave self. How do I know I have "clearance" to be my ocean self if my only reference point is as a wave on the ocean's surface? Idk if im making sense.

cont.

>>41382682
> that’s what you “love” most (because it confirms your identity).
So is "love" in this case less about actual enjoyment and more about maintaining a consistent worldview, similar to what the george posts talk about where people dislike major jumps in their worldview? How can I get out of this rut?
I will admit I am stuck as a victim right now, I have very little free time due to a very stressful college workload, money troubles, lack of friends or intimate relations, and issues with my self image/body. I do command sessions where "I am line and thus I become my (desire) instantly and in full", get up, its not there "instantly", and get frustrated because presumably it SHOULD be feasible to get instant returns. Some of the desires I want have no realistic path to get here and I "know" this but also know I should presumably be able to get around this. Really I just want some kind of disruption in a positive direction because I have beliefs that nothing changes (Ik conclusion is my command) and I don't really know how to commit and actually have change happen?

> Are the 'Author' who is pretending to be a character following a script
I personally find it helpful to view it like a videogame server owner. I used to run modded minecraft servers so its kind of like how I am both a player but can also run /give or whatever to modify my experience/resolve issues, as well as swap out software to change how things are working.

>>41383056
A tower made out of clay, is still 100% clay. It is a tower (wave) and a clay (ocean/line).

You are also denying indivisible/all-pervasive attribute of No-thing, if it is indivisible and all-pervasive, it has to fill everything 100%, so it fills you fully so that you are ALL of it, not 2%, not 5%, not some arbitary part, but everything. You cannot exist partially, you either exist or you don't.

>>41383021
What actually helped me was going back to one clean SATS habit and a couple of low effort grounding tools you can use in the moment.

Before bed I'd pick a single tiny social scene (5–10 seconds), me at a table, relaxed, laughing at a dumb joke, and loop that as I got drowsy. Keep it normal and first person. Don't try to magically feel confident, aim for calm and normal. Do that nightly and don't overcomplicate it.

During the day just use a 90-second reset when anxiety spikes, name the thought "old script," 5 slow breaths, flash the 5–10s scene once, then do something mundane for 2–5 minutes so you don't re check.

Did this girl curse this SATS meditation video? People in the comments seem to all get their stuff fast. Sus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhKh-y7Zm2I

Say you're self-aware that you want one thing, but you like to imagine another; is this something any of you experience? I like to imagine sexual scenarios decidedly more aggressive then I would ever be comfortable with in real life...does the law of assumption suggest that one should stop thinking in ways that don't resemble their goals coming true, to avoid unnecessary thoughts and focus the imagination on ones goals and that alone? I believe that is suggested.

I take the view that we will waste some time imaging stupidity and, rather then try to fully eliminate it as that is impossible, instead to adjust ourselves so even our frivolous imaginings push us towards our goals. By growing brain cells in you and others and making similar changes even your most worthless thoughts can be beneficial, we'd just adjust how they change the loosh of Creation's thoughts.

>>41382925
Thank you for your reply buddy.
I enjoy it in a sense I can deconnect from the 3D and live a true real moment of joy with my SP before sleep.
At the begining I thought it was dumb/delusional but night after night I seem to get rid of this feeling and I just appreciate the moment without too much judgement.
During the day I tell myself I'm happy to have her in my life. Crazy lol.
It's not clicked yet I think (I dont know what should be the clicking feeling) but I just enjoy the feeling for now.
Also I tell myself, this or nothing, better this. I mean, even if I can't get her in the 3D it's still a nice feeling to experiment while going to sleep. Better this way than feeling sad being conscious to not have her.
My scene is not always the exact same I must confess, some times it's funny, other times it's more serious, other times sexy, I put some variations. I don't know if I should though, but I still can't find a unique scene to loop.
It's still fresh I'm doing sats since 3-4 days only.

>>41383107
I and everything else am filled with ocean/line and thus is this line/ocean, right? My confusion is basically if “ocean” me was the whole human body and daffy ant “me” was a blood cell on that body, i make up/am made up of the body but i dont have much agency in it. A single blood cell has little effect on the whole “ocean” body. Line fills me but am i in control of the line or merely along for the ride? Line is what is deciding everything, including playing as me, the rocks, other people, etc. I exist because I am line. But does “me” (creation of line) control line or does line control me? Line is speaking when i speak and is larping as a confused person right? but how does said larp gain control of line if you get what i mean? How does “my” will affect line vs line following the script it decided by the hosts or whatever?

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Neville mogs you btw

>>41383056
>>41383098
>Who is me in this case? I understand that I am the ocean because I am a wave of the ocean, but me (my form, thoughts, perception, etc.) is just a wave no? Wouldn't the ocean decide the waves, not "me"?

The flaw you're making here is, that you're still thinking in terms of "two things": the ocean "and" the wave. There is no "and".
The wave isn't a 'part' of the ocean. The wave is a 'form' the ocean is taking. The 'entire' ocean is present AS that wave. When the wave moves, it's the ocean moving AS that wave. There is no separate controller.

As for the CEO/Janitor analogy, I can say that if the CEO is 'pretending' to be a janitor, he is 100% the CEO and 100% the janitor during the pretense. The janitor's limitations are part of the CEO's current script. The moment the CEO 'decides' the script changes, it changes. The janitor's "mind" might protest, "But I'm just a janitor! I can't access the CEO's accounts!" That protest is also part of the script.

>How can I prove that I am the ocean and not a wave of the ocean
You won't find it by analyzing the wave. The proof is in the 'common reference field'.
Look at your hand. Look at the wall in front of you. Two "things," right? Now ask: What presents these two as separate? It's not your eyes; that's just another object. It's Awareness, i.e., the field in which both "hand" and "wall" appear. That field is 'indivisible'. You can't have "my awareness" and "the wall's awareness," right? There is only Awareness, period. That's the Ocean. The "you" that sees the hand and the wall is a localized vibration WITHIN that same Awareness. The localized "you" is the wave. The Awareness that knows both is the Ocean. And they are not two.

>>41383056
>>41383098
>>41383426
>Wouldn't that also make every other wave (objects, people with wants benefiting me, wants against mine, etc.) equally in control and affect my free will/agency?
Yes, every other person and object is equally the Ocean. But "equally in control" doesn't mean a democracy of waves. It means there is only 'One' Controller appearing as all of it. In your private dream, all other characters are played by You. Their conflicting wants are YOU arguing with YOURSELF for the fun of the game. When You, as the Author, decide the game is no longer fun, You change the script.

>So is 'love' in this case less about actual enjoyment and more about maintaining a consistent worldview?
Yes. Exactly. "Love" in this context means "preferring what confirms what you know". Right now, you "know" you are a stressed, time-poor, lonely student. Therefore, you "love" (prefer, are drawn to) experiences, thoughts, and "proof" that confirm that story. It feels comfortable and consistent, even if it's miserable. A sudden, miraculous solution would shatter that worldview, and part of you finds that *more terrifying* than the misery.

>How can I get out of this rut?
You don't "get out" by fighting the rut. You get out by 'changing what you know'. You're doing Command Sessions from the identity of the wave: "I, the stressed student, command my Universe for more free time and money." Your 12th body, OCB, receives that command from a being who "knows" it is a stressed student. The return will therefore be filtered through that identity.
But the shift happens when you command AS the Ocean. Not "I, the wave, want to be the Ocean," but "I AM the Ocean, period." The content of the command becomes almost irrelevant.

(cont.)

>>41383056
>>41383098
>>41383426
>>41383436
>I do command sessions where 'I am line and thus I become my (desire) instantly and in full', get up, its not there 'instantly', and get frustrated.
Here's your mistake: You're using the 'absence' of an instant material result as 'proof' that the command didn't work. And that's the ultimate Line of Expansion story.
The command "I am Line" is not a request for a future object. It is a 'Present' declaration of Fact! If you speak it AS a wave hoping to manipulate the Ocean, it's fake. If you speak it AS the Ocean stating what IS, it's Fact.

I can suggest to you (just my suggestion) that you should stop commanding for a time, and rather just do the Preparatory Resolve first.
Like, you run through the logic: Common Reference Field -> ONE Thing -> ONE All-Person -> OCB.
You acknowledge: "Any story that says 'I, OCB, cannot have or be X' is a fake rule I made up. It's a wave pretending the Ocean has rules."
Then, for your Dedicated Time, your only job is to "be the Ocean". Not to GET anything. Just to BE what you already are. The Ocean doesn't need to "get" wet. And the "instant return" is the 'Knowing itself'. The material manifestation is just a wave-form that will arrange itself based on that non-change Fact. Your frustration is the wave trying to boss the Ocean around. Stop that.

>>41383266
>Neville was a Chad, famous dancer, from a rich family
Not surprising he could have all the chicks he wanted. Not due to LOA

>>41383441
>>41383098
And as for your Minecraft server analogy, I think you can make it up like this:
>The Server Owner = OCB / The Ocean: Has total control. Can run /give commands, change the game mode, ban players, or shut the whole thing down.
>The Player Character = Your local self (the wave): Subject to the in-game rules, gravity, needing to mine for resources.
>The "Hosts" or "Systemics" = The game's code and admin plugins, enforce the rules so the game has structure, etc.
So right now you're playing the game 'as the Player', "forgetting you are the Server Owner".

And a Command Session would be you, the Player, momentarily "logging out of the player character" and "logging in as the Server Owner" to adjust the reality from the console. And again you don't do it AS the player. You do it AS the Owner.
Don't command as the Player. For those 10-20 minutes, you 'be the Server Owner'. The Owner doesn't struggle. The Owner just IS. And from that IS-ness, the game conforms.

>>41383266
You know, he gets shit on for being a scammer, which he is, but in retrospect, I can imagine how horrifying should have been for him, to be a small time dancer with some fanbase here and there, then literally fall from grace and die of hunger when the depression hits (he should have been like 24 when that happened). At that point, hard times require hard decisions, and Neville took the chance and became a guru, inventing Abdullah to make himself legit (The good ol' black teacher with exotic origins and ideas, Hollywood classic). At worst, he was basically getting the same he already had: Nothing. At best, he would get some recognition and money.

You can hate the man, but at the end of the day he used his manipulative charm to go on in life. Absolute bastard, but understandable. He wasn't evil per se, but boy his actions would hurt a lot of people in the long term. A perfect villain protagonist for an inspired movie.

>>41383463
> to go on in life
"to survive" would have been more adecuate to say

>>41383426
>>41383441
Phoneposting but i think i am starting to get what you mean. Basically the ONE thing that holds (but actually separates) me from the wall or another person is the awareness that I am me and NOT the wall. A higher truth is that I am ONE thing and thus both but the lower truth I occupy as wave me is that I am me and not the wall.


As for the CEO case I am both the author and character, and I can stop playing the character to become the author. My question then is how do I know I am the author and not the author playing a character that thinks they are the author if that makes sense?

>Realised that I've been pretty consistant in manifesting through affirmations when I was doing it without realising
Maybe I should look into that robotic affirmation stuff, I've been struggling with my SATS scene for some things and affirmations would bypass the need of a scene.

>>41379772
The Universe takes the path of least resistance towards manifestation if you are not specific.
Gays fuck like crazy so it's far more likely for men to try and fuck you.
Just do the same thing but specify that it's a sex life with women.

>>41383498
Well, basically, you don't "know" it by finding an experience that proves it. You know it because it's the only logical conclusion that doesn't contradict itself. So again if we trace this:
>You exist. Something is reading these words. That's undeniable. Call it Awareness, Existence, or "I AM."
>This Existence is ONE Thing. As we've established, any two "things" (you and the screen) share a common, indivisible reference field. That field is singular. There can't be two "All-pervasive" things. So, the substance of what you are is ONE.
>Therefore, any "other" (a wall, your mom, the "author" you're worried about) must be a variation OF that ONE Thing. It cannot be a separate thing "from" it.

So back to your question:
>How do I know I am the author and not the author playing a character that thinks they are the author?
Because the character who "thinks they are the author" is still a character. The 'real' Author is the ONE Thing stating the Fact "I am the Author."
The "character that thinks they are the author" is another Systemic story. It's the last-ditch effort of the Line of Expansion to maintain the illusion of separation and a journey. It says, "Sure, maybe you're the Author, but you're not 'really' the 'real' Author yet... you're just a character getting a glimpse. You need to do more."

It's a trap. And the way out is to see the Logic:
>If there is only ONE Thing.
>And that ONE Thing is All-Pervasive and Indivisible.
>Then it fills the container called "you" completely.
>Therefore, the "You" that is reading this IS that ONE Thing. Not a part. Not a reflection. The whole thing.
The feeling of being a "character" is just a 'conclusion' that ONE Thing is holding about itself locally. It's a thought. And a thought cannot change the Fact of what you are.
And how do you "prove" it? You don't. You DECIDE. (cont.)

>>41383498
... You put your finger to your lips and you 'command': "I AM The Original Cosmic Supreme Master Right Here."
You don't say it hoping it's true! You say it BECAUSE it IS true, based on the mechanical facts. You act AS IF it's true, i.e., "as if" is only necessary when perception hasn't caught up with Fact.

The moment you decide that's what you know, you ARE the Author. The feeling of being a character might linger, that's just the momentum of the old story. But you're no longer feeding it, you're acting from the new Fact.
Your Dedicated Time is you, as the Author, sitting down and stating: "I'm in charge here." You're not "trying" to become the Author. You're Being the Author, and letting the Universe (your dream) rearrange itself to match that command.
And the "proof" will be that the stories of being just a character will start to lose their power. They'll become like a movie you're watching, you might get engrossed, but you can always remember you're in the theater.
So you stop trying to find a local, wave-level experience to prove you're the Ocean. The wave can't prove it, and the Ocean doesn't need to!

So basically, it always ultimately comes down to this: Will you act on the incomplete truth (the wave), or the complete truth (the Ocean)? The 'Choice' itself is the Author in action.

>>41379055
I reality shifted to Limbo and beat the living shit of this fucker last night. Did Neville manifest it?

>>41383917
>>41383917
Neville probably felt guilt for lying to people and being a false prophet, or as he called himself, a Judas. So he manifested you to bash his skull in as a way to atone for his misdeeds. Good job, anon.

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>W-WHAT?! IN THE NAME OF ABDULLAH AND JESUS CHRIST, WHAT DID YOU FELLOW 4CHANNERS SAID?! THAT DESPITE DOING SATS FOR TEN YEARS, SCRIPTING MY AFFIRMATIONS ON MY PHONE, WALLS, AND RIB CAGE USING A BUTTER KNIFE, FOLLOWING A MENTAL DIET LIKE A MORMON MISSIONARY, BREAKING MY SLEEP CYCLE WITH HYPNOTIC ASMR, TALKING WITH AI NEVILLE LIKE IF IT WERE MY GOD, SPENDING MY SAVINGS IN EDWARD ARTS COUCHING AND BOOKS, PRAYING TO THE I AM, WITH ALL THAT, STILL, MY SP FUCKED ANOTHER MAN?! AND AFTER DOING WEEKS ON END DAILY REVISIONS AND GETTING AN ANEURYSM, SHE ENDED UP PREGNANT?! AND NOW I NEED TO ASSUME THE BABY IS MINE?! WELL, WHAT CAN I SAY EXCEPT YABBA DABBA DOOOOO, NOW LETS ENTER INTO THE SILENCE

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>>41384038
>Just persist
>Just feel
>Just dream
>Just mental diet
>Just read the books
>...
>It's that easy

>>41379055
Things are wonderful. My family easily helps everyone in need now and receives endless abundance in return. Things are better than ever and they continue to improve daily. Everyone who has ever helped me or my family is incredibly blessed and happy to see the immense wealth and endless happiness and success my family now enjoys

>>41383463
He could have swallowed his pride and return back to his ex slave traffickers rich family at Barbados and spare the world of the autism he would cause in the future with his scam. But nah, let's create a pseudo religion out of nowhere to satisfy his narcissism and get money. Zero sympathy for this fucker, his throat exploding almost felt like his karma was finally coming to him

>>41384250
Stale pasta.
>>41384038
Still fresh.

>>41384267
Wtf, why did his throat explode?

>>41384297
Alcohol abuse.

>>41384267
That's true, I guess, he was a really dislikeable person indoors going by his two wives and children. I do think he was the black sheep of the family in a way and had a bad relationship with his parents and rest of his brothers. He probably tried to make amends with his family when the depression hit, with the Barbados trip and all, but... things ended up turning sour and he finally returned to the USA once things got a bit calmer there, with some money on him from his brothers, maybe inheritance money with his father's death (which would put the whole "I don't need your money thing" through a shadier light) with him never coming back ever again as far as we know

>>41383820
>>41383843
I see, thank you.

I have perfected the technique
>think about what you want
>you will come up with an inevitable plan on how to get it
>actuate your plan
>by the time you distract yourself with something else, you will get what you want

Being distracted seems to be the number one thing here. If you do not forget that you conjured something, you will never get it.

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Why is it so much easier to believe negative outcomes and wishes unfulfilled? Even in a situation which outcome is 50/50, to believe it will end in my favour is more difficult than to believe it will end up not how I want it.
Is it maybe about insecurities? Not thinking you deserve anything good?

How do you deal with this?

>>41384468
>Why is it so much easier to believe negative outcomes and wishes unfulfilled?
Because your brain is hardwired to survive, it's not meant to make you happy. Negative outcomes keep you safe (avoid loss), feel familiar, and confirm your existing self-story, so they're easier to believe. That's normal.

It happens because most people have negativity bias, loss aversion, and confirmation bias, add that with a self-concept that says "I'm not worthy/it won't work" and your mind will find evidence for that every time. Feeling safe in expecting failure is easier than risking disappointment by expecting success for most people unfortunately.

Wow 5 min a day visualizing before sleep can bring you everything and everyone you want ?
Should I believe this?

>>41380504
>by self affirming I don't mean robotic daily affirmations, but doing it SATS
You mean you do sats for your manifestation, amd another sats for your self concept?
You can do several sats per day for multiple things ?

>>41380659
>Nobody tried something like this, ppl just manifest easy shit like 10k or a gf.
All the ones who manifested mansions, billions, harems, fame, don't come back to this general. Everybody knows this.

>>41383441
Hi UL anon, what did you manifest in your life if I may ask ? Thanks

>>41384537
Yes, it can, but not as a magic shortcut. Five focused minutes of SATS-style imagining before sleep is one of the most reliable, high leverage tools you can use. It works, when done correctly and consistently, because it impresses your subconscious at the moment it's most receptive.

>>41383463
Yes and on top of that he didnt achieve anything special in his life.
Barbados? His rich brother gave him the money
Avoiding the army? He was too old to go.

He made money selling coaching, like nowadays youtubers.

>>41383784
>The Universe takes the path of least resistance towards manifestation if you are not specific
Then why people advise to manifest a GP instead of an SP

>>41384582
>because it impresses your subconscious at the moment it's most receptive
How do you know we have a sub.
How do you know you can impress it.
How do you know it needs to be impressed.
How do you know it's more receptive before sleep, does it sleep too?
How do you know it's the sub that brings you what you want, and not some other entity?
Etc etc...
Seems like many assertions without proofs here.
Not saying it's not the way it works, but I'm thinking everyone is repeating the same things over and over without having demonstrated any of it.

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I challenge everyone here for the ultimate test: use LOA to make a woman knock on your door, coming to your house and having sex with you. Hookers, Tinder matches, people you know and previously sex'd females do not count, this has to be a random encounter. Just like the ladder experiment, but a bit more next level.

>>41384613
He was quite pathetic, all things considered. At least he got fame, in the worst possible way, but hey, worse people than him get their own shows, so who cares

>>41384710
How would I prove you I succeeded ?

>>41384623
>GP
?

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>>41368256
Read this post anon: https://old.reddit.com/r/Oneirosophy/comments/73ocd9/staying_active/

Look, the only thing you need to know about manifestation is that your reality belongs to you, like a dream that is solely yours, and you can have magic if you're honestly open to it and accept it as a fact in your world, as simple as that. As long as you understand who you are; the universe experiencing itself, and that the world and your mind are one and the same, everything turns out alright. Literally everything is intent, so just decide.

Nobody "needs" to read anything. Nobody needs anything period, because if you can manifest now, you always were capable of it. You can get ideas and inspiration from sources, but it's ultimately all the same thing (more experience, more dream), there is nothing to learn outside of finding out that "manifestation" is something we do all the time and had been doing since forever: Bringing experiences trough intentional acts that adapt to our sense of identity and the notion of reality we act upon. So you just read whatever you want because everything works, you only do what you love.

This realization keep you in action all the time, and clears your mind, leaving the burden of anything else behind to just deliberately be yourself, because manifestation should be the most easy and comfortable thing ever. Cultivate a magical mindset is really easy: Just start thinking entirely from your imagination because that's where everything comes from, and if you can imagine it, you can do it.

During SATS I visualized finding 60€ in the street, two bills, a 50 and a 10, picking these up and placing them in my pocket, and planning to use them to buy christmas presents. Why? Because 50+10 is less probable than just finding one bill, and because this is not important so it should be easier to manifest than winning millions.
In the meantime my mother asked me to find christmas presents for a few people, which I did. Today she asked me how much, so I add up, and funnily it's 60€ and a few cents. She hands me two bills, a 50 and a 10... '-_-
I visualized picking up that money in the street though, not spending it and getting it back.
I seem to remember someone reporting a similar story lately about medications for his father or something.
Is it a coincidence or a sign?

>>41385851
Neither, it's a synchronicity. You planted a precise image at a receptive moment, and your mind (plus whatever you call the bridge) tuned you to the same number-pattern, the world didn't have to hand it to you in the exact street scenario you imagined, it used the easiest available route, your mom asking and giving you the cash.

Your imaginal act primed your attention and opened a channel for the equivalent result to appear.

Is time getting faster for you? Are you experiencing patches of apparent time skips through your day? Are people around you experiencing the same?
It seems to get worse and worse. Not in a "I'm older so it's a relative perception of my time ON" thing.
I'll do the most boring thing on the Universe, look at the clock at 11, go take a leak and do a little more work and 3 hours have passed suddenly.
Everyone around me, indifferently of their age, seems to be having this problem and being able to do less on their day to day. No phone to blame.
Also most times I look at the clock when this happens clock there's repeating numbers.
Also Also I couldn't post, looked at the clock and it was 22:22 for me
captcha didn't show till 22 25

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>>41368256
>>41385767
At some point, you really do have to commit, TG said as much.

This following link is a very interesting thread about lifting oneself up from a moody, depressive, even a doubtful state. They're all functionally similar, as forms of executive dysfunction.
Such states may not only mean getting stuck in action, but also in view and thought - a skewed, narrow perspective. It's a little devious, because you might not even realize your perspective is under detriment, either. Narrow attention, etc. Somewhat sloppy explanation, I hope you get the point.

https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/lawofattraction/comments/340ebh/xpost_from_rdepression_im_not_sure_what_to_do_or/cqq331r/

(This one I keep returning to as well.)
>https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/timetravel/comments/3w28ju/meditation_and_visualization_are_the_key_see/

Somewhere in this comment tree:
>Do the exercises I've suggested for a month and totally commit to them. Stop thinking about LOA or trying to work things out during that period; adopt the attitude that you are okay with "whatever happens, happens". After a month, see where your thoughts have ended up.

The exercises he's talking about are the "daily releasing exercise" and "living from your centre" which he often referenced. Also an ad-lib "LOA Type practice", copy pasting it for posterity:
>Now, if you're in a place where things have generally gone awry, it can be hard to thing of something specific that you want - really, you want everything to be better! So let's do just that:
>Before you go to sleep at night, lying in bed, take a moment to become aware of the "feeling" of the space in the room around you. Let yourself relax and sink into that space. Now, we repeat a phrase which implies that things have already gotten great. You can pick your own, but something like "It's so amazing!" or "Thank you so much!" will do the trick. Allow the feeling of life being great, of being so happy that things have turned out will, to come to you.

>>41380437
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>>41386068
Man, gliding trough the archives of both George and John, as well as the subreddits from their practices is kind of sad, like looking at pictures of a long forgotten golden age. I really wish there was a community near as prolific and great like the Oneirosophy and Universal Line ones were, there's virtually zero alternatives for this approach nowadays.

AesirAnatman and others did set up /r/Weirdway https://www.reddit.com/r/weirdway/ but it didn't get near as much traction as DJ and Oneirosophy in their apex, and also eventually became a graveyard. If someone took the initiative to make a new one that made a synthesis between UL and Oneirosophy for "no holds barrels" deep end manifestation, that would be awesome, as there are lurkers immensely interested (Maybe could be called "Oneiromancers" or something cool like that).

my book is a new york times bestseller. 3d is dumb, 4d is where it's at. my book is a new york times bestseller

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>>41386068
>At some point, you really do have to commit, TG said as much.
Now, this does sound vague.
What could one commit to, after all? Well, that's part of what the first link talks about.
It's a great starting point - if you're worrisome or somehow moody as a whole, that's something to tackle first, because it's going to trickle down to- and become even more noticeable during subtle (non-)actions or intentions.
>>41385767
Also, neat post, anon, I hadn't seen that one before.

I'm happy to see people are studying TG / Oneirosophy. I want it to carry forward, disseminate and be appreciated for what they attempted to construct, because I believe it is truly sui generis - TG actually intended it to be so:
>https://old.reddit.com/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/3rk0ti/have_there_been_any_studiesdocumentaries_about/cwqipd1/?context=1
>I think it's maybe important to find a way to present these sorts of ideas [jumping and patterning] that avoids "scienciness", new age, or magickal-philosophical tropes - that is sort of its "own thing" and is immersive, so you're not just reading about it, but having an experience of it too (it sounds cheesy when written like that, unfortunately). A modern, practical metaphysics which separates itself from unfortunate associations - and maybe makes a nice coffee-table book (only half joking there).

1/?

>>41386160
>What could one commit to, after all?
I think it's referring to the premise of your approach. It can make a world of difference. For example, my model is inspired by UL and Oneirosophy (the world as my dream thing), so i design my life and practice around it, i make decisions with this in mind, i go all the way with it in compromise accepting that it's true, and so it truly become true. If you're just doing practice at random without knowing what you're doing, it can work, but may also potentially backfire. That what differs Oneirosophy/UL from things like LoA/Run of the mill Magick; you accept from the start that reality is truly a dream of your own and just go for it.

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>>41386160
I found the above by searching for "Edward Tufte" in Pushshift, and also this other following thread:

https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/4e7l54/jumped_are_my_friendsfamily_still_my_friendsfamily/

Besides a cool talk about OCD, where you can see that he brings up "daily releasing exercise" and "living from your centre" once more - and he also does in many other occasions, I guess it's an universal cure for neuroticism - but also this other one:
>Whenever it occurs to you, or whenever you notice you are over-focused on something, pause and "cease!", and then mentally "feel out" into the space around your body. Above, below, behind, in front, around. And feel how that space goes on forever. Sort expand your sense of "presence" to fill the room, and beyond.

>>41386194
It does help to define the premise of why one is interested in this to begin with, then work it backwards from there, unfolding.
>That what differs Oneirosophy/UL from things like LoA/Run of the mill Magick; you accept from the start that reality is truly a dream of your own and just go for it.
Yes, but at the same time, we're bound by our existing patterning and likely narrowed, chronically-abused attention - "releasing held structures" of duality and felt limitation is the means but also part of the premise. See Overwriting Yourself, he explained it very well but you may want to use the first link I sent (340ebh) as support, for a more grounded practical contextualization of the releasing portion as it may be dealt with while in a starting position which may not be exactly ideal. ...In other words, if you don't really "see" how this is approachable at all, 340ebh and some similar posts I can think of help with that.

2/?

>several tl;dr posts ocean this drop that
See that is why /one/ should have its own general, and you fags even dare say Neville is convoluted crap

>>41386280
I didn't understand not even a single word you said in your green text. Are you complaining about having an on topic discussion?
>See that is why /one/ should have its own general, and you fags even dare say Neville is convoluted crap
Who said that? Because there were a lot of Anons who were former Neville readers that tried to understand him better and make sense of his ideas to see how it add up to the offered model by /one/, not to mention that the sources themselves also explained him better than this board ever did. Also, /one/ just can't stand a chance in /x/, the board is way too convoluted and you actually need to study and practice it, so the thing is way to slow for the pace of the place. I don't really like the idea of chat rooms as every Discord or Telegram chat that has come up on these has sucked dick so far. The only way for /one/ to continue is to make a follow up subreddit, there's just no other way, the subject is pretty deep and requires a dive in, the same way George and the others did back in the day. I like the name here >>41386150 , Oneiromancers, so there's a good idea for it if it ever end up happening.

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>>41386150
Yes, absolutely! I'm glad I'm not the only one who wants a place to discuss with this particular scope. I think it would have in a more curated fashion than just another /x/ general, because it would just lose focus too quickly otherwise. TG talked about this in some late /r/DJ thread.

(As an aside, I appreciate when people post otaku stuff within this context, lol. In my view, the otaku spirit blends exceptionally well with this subject matter. I have a lot to say about it.)

>>41386280
This would not subsist on /x/ as a separate general. Mainly, because the filler we're accustomed to keep threads churning would be an active misunderstanding of the subject matter. Again, that's a reason why they decided to close down /r/DJ - there was just not much left to say and the focus was lost.

As for 'convolution' - I am likely retreading some conceptual ground contained in '"scienciness", new age, or magickal-philosophical tropes', however I consider it necessary because part of the goal is to describe these ideas as decoupled from them and "as sort of their own thing".

But if you really think about it, said convolution is reminiscent of the patterning convolution in all of us, just begging to be deconstructed :-)

More seriously though, yes, this does demand a nuanced understanding. Both from- and within ourselves, and a care to wrangle language the best we can. In this we are reminded of TG's intent to create a more abstract, visual representation of the subject matter.

Internal understanding... How can you understand what's being said if ultimately it treats with direct experience, without experiencing it yourself? It's not really the same if you don't perceive it yourself, or if you're just imagining or "thinking-about" it, is it? Hence he said 'and is immersive, so you're not just reading about it, but having an experience of it too'. It *would* be the holy grail.

Nope, it's not easy.

>>41386315
I'll give my thoughts on this but I ran out of chars.

>>41386327
>I think it would have in a more curated fashion than just another /x/ general, because it would just lose focus too quickly otherwise.
Imageboards in general are not really suited for this matter, this is what i think so far this far on my journey. There was another /one/ thread in other place, and while the place was slow enough to sustain things, there was no interest, the place was too incompatible with the ideas proposed, and the place itself is also a graveyard nowadays too.
>>41386315
>Another subreddit
Maybe i'll get on it myself and let you guys know eventually. Oneirosophy deserves to continue in some way or another; the oldfags are long gone, but the power drive from newcomers to explore this path beyond with what we have now it's huge, and the rise of a new community is inevitable at this point.

>>41384546
>You can do several sats per day for multiple things ?
Yes but not exactly. You can try any route you want and test out what works and what doesn't.
But its a general consensus that you should stick to one simple repeatable scene until it happens. and try to cram as context as you want in it, but keep it simple stupid.
Also its only natural if the scene changes slightly or gets more vivid, detailed, as you go deeper into SATS so don't worry about it too much.

You can also just self-affirm, while in SATS, instead of making a scene, pick a affirmation phrase, and these are usually about self-concept or development, but I guess it could be about anything if the phrase make sense, but again keep it short and concise, so you can loop without effort.
This is somewhat easier for the days when you are distracted, sleepy, or just having a hard time visualizing. So its perfectly fine to mix and match, self-concept stuff is easier to materialize too, you usually see results rather quickly so its a good complement.

Getting into SATS:
I think this is what people most struggle with, and disclaimer, you don't really need to go that deep for manifestations to start working out in the 3D, don't worry about it too much.
But the point is, lying in bed, relax, get drowsy, focus on intent.
This is where people have a hard time I think, relaxing... there are several sleep relaxing exercises that you can practice to you get into a very drowsy state, in fact, it will be hard not to go straight to sleep.
Start by taking some deep breaths, feel contract every muscle in your body and then relax, count to an arbitrary, focusing on breath or the numbers, once you reach it start your scene (or affirmation) loop with focused intent, and do it until you sleep.

>>41384623
because of that reason duh, path of last resistance
>>41385159
general person

>>41386315
>I didn't understand not even a single word you said in your green text.
see
>>41383426
>>41383436
and following threads

>Are you complaining about having an on topic discussion?
barely on topic, that is...
As I mentioned, the irony of it is UL calling Neville some convoluted crap.

>>41386446
Ah, yeah, i remembered that this general broke up with everything beyond Neville. Fair enough. Although, to be honest, i'm honestly bored of this console wars. It doesn't help anyone, it derails discussion, it creates endless confusion and circle talk about already answered questions, etc. /one/ was poorly managed, and while it was a step further from this general, it was still 4chan, and this subject it's almost impossible to discuss properly here, at least with the investment that it deserves. How it's possible that people on reddit have no gripe discussing goddard on /r/Occult but /x/ it's so agressive towards any other sources? Anyway, for all practical purpouses, i think a forum is better suited for this, overall.

Also, talking about forums, what the fuck is up with reddit now??? Do they assign random username and doesn't let you to set it up yourself? Man, this just keep getting worse huh. Jesus fucking christ, i'll have to look up some reddit alternatives.

>>41386540
>broke up with everything beyond Neville
Its not about that, one can reach the same conclusion with Neville as one does with UL, except UL goes a heck of a lot more convoluted path with tons of existential schizo babble that one does not really need to know to manifest. Plain and simple.

>console wars
I'm not of fan of either, but it can't be helped when actual decent information posts, questions and answer get drowned out by the babble.

>look up some reddit alternatives
Godbless...

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>>41386150
>is kind of sad, like looking at pictures of a long forgotten golden age.
Really does feel that way doesn't it.
>there's virtually zero alternatives for this approach nowadays.
Yep. I've been pretty much all on my own for this specifically, relying on what was discussed back then and trying to connect the dots (I stopped visiting /LoA/ well over a year ago.). I've talked to people not related to this since then, and the varied perspectives have been very valuable. Fantastic challenge, too. Truly, it's the stuff life is made of.
I guess, for some context, since you mentioned it -
>>41386315
>Because there were a lot of Anons who were former Neville readers that tried to understand him better and make sense of his ideas to see how it add up to the offered model by /one/,
Cool to know I'm also not alone in this. I was huge into Neville (apparently, TG also was at some point as well). And I am very thankful to Neville, you know. He helped me break from a great part of my religious shackles. I think it's a much saner way to view the bible.
But DJ contextualizes Neville in a less vague, more modern manner.

Tangentially: going back to this post,
https://old.reddit.com/r/NevilleGoddard/comments/d7utcd/you_need_to_actually_read_or_listen_to_neville/f17fm2u/
I guess I understand it a little better now. We may have actually lost sight of what actual Neville is as opposed to its Law of Attraction mutt that emerged in the internet era, which as the post mentions, mostly ends up being a bunch of vague sweet nothings.

>>41386446
...Ah, yeah, UL got too caught up in its influences. If I recall correctly, it very awkwardly mixes its interpretation of Vedic mythology with modern language. It is one Rube Goldberg type of work, which is unfortunately all too common for these topics - but to be fair, it isn't easy to avoid such a fate. It's just a matter of how little extraneous stuff you can have. A reduction process, so to speak. Alchemical refinement even, lol

>>41386585
I like UL, John material and George contributions are my favorites ever, but there is nothing wrong with any other approach, it's all the same anyway. As you said, everyone can arrive at self realization in an infinite amount of ways. Nothing wrong with dismissing things that you don't find helpful obviously, but the thing is, witch hunting UL users and Neo-Oneirosophers while no having alternative for discussion is a problem that we are aiming to solve in the meanwhile.

>I'm not of fan of either, but it can't be helped when actual decent information posts, questions and answer get drowned out by the babble.
For you is babble, for them is helpful because it's something they are practicing. Just ignore it? As far as it goes, everything about this is a babble for the outsider. Also, i got every single word expressed on those posts you listed because i also practice UL, as i said, it's in code for the guys out of knowledge.

>Godbless...
Thinking in using PieFed to set up a community. Will get around the site to see how things are.

>>41386639
Unpopular take but, i don't mind the Krishna era. John from beginning to end was clear in the conclusion of totality, and it carried every single UL document ever produced. That's it, i prefer vastly the IAT to Financial Gain era, John did got carried away.

>>41386351
As for using a subreddit: /r/DimensionJumping is actually a thing, but it's moribund, basically. I want to dig out that "late /r/DJ thread" I mentioned because it has interesting info.
I would have actually made a revival community already, but I myself don't feel ready to do so. We'd really have to know what we're doing.

Also, I personally would not use reddit altogether. Surely something more 'neutral' can be found. >>41386540 Like a forum, yes, that's perfect :P Lemmy is a federated reddit alternative like what Mastodon is to Twitter, it even has an 'old reddit' client option: https://old.lemmy.ca/

I would have made a community already but I just haven't felt ready for it. But if you guys feel the urge to start this now, I'll participate and do the best I can as it is. Though there's a lot of premeditation that has to go into it and we would favor from a chatroom or something to organize it.

Honestly, even a chatroom could be fine. It just needs direction and active curation. On more civilized textboards / imageboards (like 2ch...) the OP could actually hide posts considered off-topic and essentially self-moderate a thread. Oh well.

>>41386657
I didn't even know piefed was a thing. As I understand it, Lemmy is the OG attempt at a Free Reddit. Just by virtue of having that 'old reddit'-like interface, I'd much prefer it. I'm way too used to it by now from all the reading of r/DJ and r/Oneirosophy lol.

As for Paolucci's eras, I honestly don't remember by now. Putting two and two together, I guess he changed up his language and format in a way that wasn't too helpful?

>>41386679
>I would have actually made a revival community already, but I myself don't feel ready to do so. We'd really have to know what we're doing.

Lol I rewrote and postponed this reply enough times that I left this in twice, my bad. 4chan not having post editing is understandable, but also so stupid at the same time. I don't wanna remake the post...

>>41386259
>you can't control your own private dream because reasons
Have fun with that.

>>41386762
:-)
Have you tried the "Just Decide" exercise or anything similar? https://old.reddit.com/r/Oneirosophy/comments/2hesk3/just_decide/
Has it ever, you know... not worked for you? If not, we got a real talent on our hands :-)

>>41386679
The problem with only having chatrooms is that it quickly devolve in mindless chatter. A forum is established with the purpose of having constant contributions and get the flow of ideas going under the same banner of practice, so the progress is not halved. There was a LoA telegram chat around here and it was a pretty dreadful place with the kind of people you would expect coming from LoA teachings in this general. But, maybe after setting up the things in PieFed, i could also set up a chatroom in Matrix to booth, so we have both the forum and the discussion space (and also offers both the space and the chat for the reserved and the daring alike). I'll get to it as soon as i can get to, and let you guys know.

>>41386770
No I haven't tried some exercise. I've literally just made up my mind that something is true, and it has happened. Method obsession is a cancer.

>>41386778
Ok...PieFed doesn't let to create communities it seems :/ To Lemmy we go!

>>41386791
>Method obsession is a cancer.
Couldn't agree more with this but, it doesn't basically everything just boils down to just deciding?
>I decide this is true
>It becomes true

>>41386791
Is that so? Tell us more, how'd that go? How did it feel like to decide something is true? To "Just Decide"? :-D

>>41386794
So Lemming requires admin approval... So i'll just wait. For fuck sake, do i hate the modern internet. Ok, i give up. I'll set up a quick discord server i guess, what a defeat... T___T

>>41386802
Yes, it does. That's why I have a problem with your ability to command your universe is limited by pendulums, the position of the moon, karma, patterns, or whatever other stupid shit people make up to justify covert expansion demands. I don't need a method or exercise. I just command my private dream.

>>41386824
Well, there you go lads
https://discord dot gg/VzDNV6hU
While Lemming is pending to create the place, this will serve as a nexus for the /one/ guys in the meanwhile.

>>41386826
>>41386679

>>41386805
>How'd it go
It worked
>How'd it feel
Feel is not required. Feeling as a requirement is a CED

>>41386839
What did you feel? How did 'you' feel?

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Can someone here explain how this general has been around for years and yet nobody has manifested anything remotely outside of normal?
Like sure, money is cool and unlikely but that stuff happens
Why haven't you found a bucket of severed fingers or something that proves this stuff?

>>41386845
I mean, intent doesn't need a feeling, isn't it? UL is not an experience after all.

>>41386845
I'm the anon you're replying to. There's no requirement for feeling anything let alone a certain way, so it doesn't matter.

>>41385991 (this I)
I bet 90% of the planet manifesting for a quicker time doing their shitty jobs or school day has a thing to do with it. Or outright wishing for it to be over.
They are fucking everyone over instead of manifesting a pleasant, fulfilling time, instead of a fleeting one.
Same with aging and disease.
That's why the news dig for shitty happenings that are of no concer to you but make normies shit their pants.
>888 jy

>>41386853
>Can someone here explain how this general has been around for years and yet nobody has manifested anything remotely outside of normal?
So getting 10k out of nowhere is not enough? Anyway, i think that Siddis are outside of the scope of this general. /one/ may be up for the task, but it couldn't stand not even a month here. Back in the day, UL students and Oneirosophy guys were able to do things like change physical appearances, teleport, cease pain permanently, and other cool dream magick shenanigans allegedly (which process and underlying mechanism was also explained for them). Everything is possible but it makes sense being reserved about it, and only the outsider that doesn't practice this stuff to he fullest extent could not grasp the reason for this decision for instance.

>>41386862
Yeah that's what Paolucci says, but I still wonder how you felt in that moment. Did you feel the absence of something? Did you feel nothing in particular? Did you feel any sign of anything?

>>41386853
Because we'd manifest a bucket of fingers, then you'd say it's fake, luck, some schizo anon just cutting off his neighbors' fingers, and/or that the fingers weren't paranormal enough.

>>41386872
I felt nothing because feeling does not matter.

>>41386879
Exactly this. I remember OmegaAces getting into an argument with some skeptic that was arguing with George, and then he said that he became taller trought the Two Glasses thing. The guy just said "Oh, ok", and just keep arguing for some bizarre reason. Really strange behavior.

>>41386887
Okay. If you don't mind me asking, was the change internal to your body-mind or some kind of synchronicity?

>>41386894
What's the difference?

>>41386899
They tend to not work out quite the same in practice.

>>41386904
Nice rule you've made for yourself. Anyway, I've had both.

>>41386915
>Nice rule you've made for yourself.
This. Why do you assume feelings are a must? It's just sensory theater, sense take no part in anything at all by themselves.

>>41386915
I see.
Say, if there was anything in the way of your assertion. When you ... decide, do those things go away on their own?

>>41386934
>Anything in you way
Just remember who put those things there. And yes, they "go away".

>>41386978
>Just remember who put those things there.
I know :-)
>And yes, they "go away".
Were the string of events through which you got to your assertion surprising in any way?

>>41387000
What is the point with this string of questions?

>>41387081
I just want to know how your experience was like.

>>41387083
My experience was whatever I wanted it to be.

>>41387091
And have you found there to be any "autocomplete" mechanics depending on how specific you are about what you want? Again I ask, were the string of events through which you got to your assertion surprising in any way?

>>41387096
I could specify the bridge to use Neville language. You keep asking me for my experiences. You'd be better off discovering this for yourself instead of relying on the 3d which is inherently unreliable.

>>41386853
We have, you can go back to the archives and see there have been multiple people who have said they have manifested being millionaires, changing their appearance drastically, gaining powers or curing diseases, but you all just call them larpers… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How to manifest my hubby’s hair back ? He feels bad about it :(

>>41387132
Is the concept of the bridge of events strictly Nevillean? I thought it was a direct conclusion from living in a stable, consistent, logical reality.

>>41387159
>I thought it was a direct conclusion from living in a stable, consistent, logical reality.
Only if its your conclusion.

Been lurking here and honestly, this general is very far behind most LoA communities.

I've been spending more time on LoA tumblr/xitter and i'm just saying those guys are literally revising deaths, rewriting their past completely, and posting about manifesting "impossible" shit daily.

Meanwhile here, it's all the same recycled sob stories, what if hypotheticals, "how long did this take you," people asking for advice for things they already know and troll posts jannies don't do anything about. It's like all the posts here are just low vibe reinforcement of failure. You're training your brain to stay stuck.

Not saying small wins don't matter, but if your whole manifestation career is sweating over a crush you have on your coworker, you're underselling yourself. If you want the chick fine, but why stop there? Why not her showing up at your door, crying with flowers, chocolates, and a stack of love letters?

Loa is literally nothing is impossible, why are you all trying to manifest such boring things in your life when you all could be doing so much more? Why is the 4chan manifestation community so far behind?

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>>41387207
Tumblr and x are hugboxes so any person who accuses someone of larping is banned. So people with more interesting stories are more comfortable posting about them without fear of being judged and mocked.

If you post anything here about manifesting anything more than an SP or 2K bucks, you will be accused of being a larper. /x/ is one of the worst places to talk about manifestation honestly, I only just come here to help some people sometimes.

>>41387196
What is meant by "me" in "your conclusion"? Is it my ego? Is it me as the "context of experience"/God/whatever?

>>41385767
What did you manifest in your life bud ?

>>41386390
Thank you, very helpful!rthssp

>>41386446
>>41386400
>because of that reason duh, path of last resistance
First you tell it's better to be specific. Then you justify why it's easier to remain general so it's also better.
Choose one mate.

>>41387132
JustDecideAnon, what kind of conviction/understanding do I need to get before just deciding? Obviously you need to know that you have a private dream, what else? Did you read UL and then started doing this?

>>41386540
>How it's possible that people on reddit have no gripe discussing goddard
Because mods there censor heavily, even an ex-mod confessed it, negative stories are not allowed either. Reddit is not a reliable source of info about LOA. Even if 4chan is a psychiatric hospital I still prefer hanging here for informations and testimonials.

>>41386540
IT will sound odd but a place I'd like to go to get good infos about LOA and read experiences, is the LipStick Alley forum. Yeah I know... But even if it's a women forum they still can share their struggle or failure without censorship.
And they have very good thread there, and cool methods like the "complaining" one.

>>41386585
>with tons of existential schizo babble that one does not really need to know to manifest. Plain and simple
And what do we need to know to manifest, appart that subjective "Know you already have it" ?
Many people know they have it, since months, and in their 3D it's still not there.
I don't know if they check or not, or if their mind still wander, but it's not really the question, it means the "know you have it" slug is not bullet proof to manifest.
We need something better, that is not subjective to interpretation, and doesn't require impossible state of mind.
Many african people don't follow all of this to get what they want, they just apply their own method and they get their stuff.
Should be like this.
Without hurting anyone in the process.
Also I don't believe Neville anymore, when you dig into his life you can see it was a mess from start to finish. The part of his life that is mediatised is just a stage.

>>41386604
>And I am very thankful to Neville, you know. He helped me break from a great part of my religious shackles.
It would be a very good goal for a psyop, making people take their distance from God.
But hopefully LOA is not a psyop.

>>41386778
>The problem with only having chatrooms is that it quickly devolve in mindless chatter.
NTA
You're right, but what I personaly don't like about all these private discussion channels is anybody can come and "teach" whereas they have never accomplished anything. Like some kind of larp. Same as here where you can see people talking like if they became billionnaires by applying the law, but when you ask them their credentials they tell confidently they dated a girl on a forum thanks to LOA...
Those people master the art of talking very well, that's all, so you naturally believe what they say, eveything makes sense when they speak/write. But when you dig you see they didn't get anything seriously worth of sharing, or that would justify helping the others, or that could backup their teachings.
Same for all coaches on yt, they all teach from their parents basement...

>>41386805
>Is that so? Tell us more, how'd that go? How did it feel like to decide something is true? To "Just Decide"? :-D
Exactly whay I think when someone says "you just have to believe" or "just decide" or "know you have it".
Like if you could do this instantly.
We forged our beliefs through years and years of experience, sometimes indoctrination, and the guy is telling you to "just decide it's true", whereas your eyes and all your senses tell you otherwise.
Nonsense.

>>41386826
>I don't need a method or exercise. I just command my private dream.
Fine. Please tell us what you already achieved by doing this?

>>41386853
>Can someone here explain how this general has been around for years and yet nobody has manifested anything remotely outside of normal?
I read this thread since 2 years, maybe a bit more, and indeed I've never seen anyone post something exceptionnal that could be attributed to the "law".
Like you, I don't think getting a job, finding a gf, getting a free meal or stuff here and there, is something we have to practice LOA for. It happens all the time for billions of people who don't know about the existence of LOA.

When you tell them this, they reply by telling you have to experiment yourself, nobody can prove it to you. How convenient is it.This is the best unprovable lie ever made.
The lad who came up with this psyop is a genius

>>41386862
>I'm the anon you're replying to. There's no requirement for feeling anything let alone a certain way, so it doesn't matter.
Can you back up this assertion with facts? You talk like if you could get a whole building with a pool on the terrasse, for free on command. What did you achieve by applying your principle? Thanks

>>41387151
>you can go back to the archives and see there have been multiple people who have said they have manifested being millionaires, changing their appearance drastically, gaining powers or curing diseases
Lies, and you know nobody will go and check.
I read many thread from 2019/20, and I saw nobody mentioning what you said.

>>41387155
>How to manifest my hubby’s hair back ? He feels bad about it :(
Even the elites who have access to magick and magicians, can't do it.
The english royal family for eg... they are all bald.

>>41387207
>If you want the chick fine, but why stop there? Why not her showing up at your door, crying with flowers, chocolates, and a stack of love letters?
I wonder how those african gurus do this, it takes a few minutes of incantations and bam the woman is obsessed with a guy to the point of killing any other female around him.
These people obviously know something we don't, and it's not LOA that can do this.

>>41387348
Yes retard, whats hard to understand about it? You can be general and it might be easier for something to materialize, only for you to realize later that you've been monkey pawed, something that was indeed your manifestation, but a version you didn't actually want.
Going for a SP means the 3D has to jump through whatever loops that specific person needs to go through to be with you.
You can go for a GP, and really quickly a horny retard next might go for you.
Or you can go for a GP but be really specific about what characteristics you like about her, or how satisfied you are with her...

Dumbass example:
You manifest hot sex with the girl of your life, it might happen you meet one day and she is drunk as balls, you get together and have hot sex, but she doesn't a give a fuck later on.

>>41387231
>I only just come here to help some people sometimes.
What did you manifest?

>>41387765
>Yes retard
I stopped here. If you can't have a normal conversation as an adult, gfy I won't read your fluff when all you do is contradicting yourself from the start. Larper.

>>41387679
>We need something better, that is not subjective to interpretation, and doesn't require impossible state of mind.
You mean to say the babble in UL is not subjective to interpretation?
And literally the tool to manifest has been here all along, plain and simple tool that Neville taught us...

>Many people know they have it, since months, and in their 3D it's still not there.
Now this in itself is a subjective interpretation... Who is to people don't get success here, plenty are posted every thread yet negative people chose to ignore it.
And also who is to say the people who aren't get success know "they already have it"? how could you possibly ever be certain about that?

And I've said a ton of times itt, making assumptions is not the same as having faith, for having faith is knowing that which you cannot see is true. Hence knowing your manifestation will come true besides the 3D showing otherwise.
>I don't believe Nevill for x....

how to remove this fucking satanic halloween skeleton from the screen?

>>41387787
>And literally the tool to manifest has been here all along, plain and simple tool that Neville taught us...
1/ nobody knows how to apply his "teachings" they are too vague, and don't work anyway.
2/ he was a fraud

>>41387791
Style - > change

>>41387797
1) says you
2) what are you even doing here then?

>>41387840
>2) what are you even doing here then?
Alerting people so they don't loose their time.

>>41387853
>"Waaaahhhhhh I have no mental discipline, therefore I must shit on everything I can point my asshole at!!!"
Lol. Lmoa.

>>41387919
>2) what are you even doing here then?
Asking you the same question fren. If you're a billionaire surrounded by your harem full of 10/10s massaging you in your big mansion with a vue sur mer, what are you even doing here?
You're probably not interested in all of this, as usual.

>>41386838
>discord

Link expired, can u please resend it ?

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Did the focus 10 tape again
What's interesting is that as soon as the narrator finished counting to 10, I felt as if a big black rectangle slammed into the front of my mind
Inside it was something I can only compare to air turbulence, if you've ever flown on a plane, and then it spat me out after a couple of seconds and my body woke up
This happened twice now, and now I 100% believe this is the actual thing, provided I manage to stay inside
Another very retarded comparison to the whole thing would be minecrafts' nether portal, that shit was my first reaction for some godforsaken reason lmao
Thanks for reading yet another episode of my gateway tape blogposts :^)

>>41387752
>"post proof"
>Here's it is
>*zim voice* LIEEEEEES!!

Hahahaha never change /x/...

>>41387706
>Those people master the art of talking very well, that's all,

Anon, if you don't start acting in autonomy, and doing experimentation, everyone will look like this to you. Do you seriously think people over at Oneirosophy or DimensionalJumping were snake oil salesmen?
>Like some kind of larp
You have to know or understand that you're already larping and nothing stop you from deciding that you're god after all in privacy and accepting that magic is real, bit until you drop the materialistic conditioning and the "me against it" position, you will have a hard time. Funny enough, adopting the position of this being a dream save you the trouble because there is no way to lose there.
>parents basement
If what they say is useful, it doesn't matter. It wasn't until i started practicing myself and understanding the implications of it that i did get it. Besides, you live your life as you see fit, nothing less than that. When it come to this, you backup your teaching by being able to explain in practicality, simplicity and straight fowardly skilful ideas. It was thanks to John, George, and their parthers or students that i got back on my feet and find my path in life. I'm nothing special but it does makes wonders. If you are having a bad time, odds are that you don't understand and ence don't know what you're doing. Don't believe anything without personal evidence.

This post >>41385767 gave a solid ground, but again, you really have to accept, ultimately, that it's true, and that you can do it.

>>41387755
Only people that still think from a 'little limited me" place of identity would look for evidence to not practice nothing. Look for evidence that is not true and you will find it, look for evidence that it is true and even for success stories about the results you want and there it is. The cover up is essentially that you already decide everything that will happen and if you made up your mind about this not working for you or anyone else, and said everyone who make it work being full of shit, guess what you get? Its all deciding, reality it's subjective so it's all about perspective.

>>41387666
> Reddit is not a reliable source of info about LOA.
I don't know about LoA (I don't use new age stuff) but reddit has been an amazing source of info about manifestation and magic in general for me. You just have to know where to search, but maybe the difference is that i ignore the places themselves and just search for the interesting users.
>>41387667
I remember somebody mentioned this place back in the day. Gave a quick lurk and it's not for me, for sure. In my case, i'm looking for something along the lines of Oneirosophy or Universal Line people. The place i'm planning to set up is a synthesis of both.
>>41387706
The thing is that, ideally, you should strive to be your own "teacher", your own master. That what make the best stuff stand out from the others: They speak from the perspective of being god-like and ignore things like whatever the neighbor is doing because everything is fake anyway.
>>41387685
There are no psy ops. "Psy ops" in this context means "i fucked up and i will rationalize my failures with some externalization about what i know about reality so far".

I hope that with the advent of the new community, hopefully we can explore this from the 4chan anon usual problems because there is a lot to say about 4chan conditioning from the subjective idealism perspective, good fodder for discussion but not adequate for this place, ironically enough.

>>41387715
Tell us about you grindset, anon.

>>41387735
I can, but I won't. Any proof I post will be met with the usual goalpost moving.

>>41387935
NTA. I'm here because it's fun.

>>41388750
I don't really get the attitude of "if you're good at this what are you doing here?", it's pure projection i think, like they admit that they are here because they are at the bottom of life instead of being inherently interested on the subject. Another reason to look for an alternative, as useful or fun discussion can't be had with unstable individuals. Besides, same people would wonder why the general is unusable when, again, that's the attitude they have towards anyone else being able to practice decently, so what's the point?...

In need of help anons.
I am able to visualize and have most physical things, (car, laptop, etc) I can feel them, and I can feel their physicality, and then I can feel their ownership, the feeling of having something now.
This is much harder to achieve while imagining or wanting to move abroad, how do I go about this, I try to imagine rooms or places but it doesnt help, I want to be abroad with the woman I love. I try imagining her but thats quite hard, and it doesnt bring the same "I have this" feeling.
I asked this question in this thread and anons recommended I focus on simply the idea, and yet its not really going anywhere.

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It's done guys.
>Oneiromancer: Dream Magick

https://lemmy.ca/c/Oneiromancer

Everyone from /one/ and other interested individuals welcome. Read the sidebar and the introductory post before posting.

Tagging the anons who were interested:
>>41388127
>>41386604
>>41386585
>>41387706

>>41389035
Missed some.
>>41386160
>>41386150
>>41386068

>>41388983
Well that's just the classic problem, ownership of things is easy because your brain can simulate a single sensory snapshot and call it mine. Moving abroad and a relationship are entire life-frames, they demand an identity shift. That's why the same trick that worked for a car won't click for a country.

Stop trying to imagine the whole relocation. Just do classic SATS, Pick one tiny, boring slice of already there and live that until it feels like memory. Wake up in the flat, walk to the window, smell coffee and hear a street vendor, five seconds, first person, nothing dramatic. Or the two of you arguing about which local coffee shop is the best while you tie your shoes. Just scenes like that. Make it domestic, mundane, and repeatable. Boring = believable.

https://youtu.be/BhKh-y7Zm2I?si=VrwcXt2gaQrah5Q_

>>41389194
Despite the GPT response, I'll check it out, and I do get your point. Even if I just wanted to imagine moving, that'd be quite hard

>>41388475
>because there is no way to lose there.
I agree with what you said but not this. Pretending you're God doesn't go without consequences. Acting like you are the creator of *your* reality is fine to me, but believing you're God who created everything including your awareness, is completely a no go for me. Many people believe, me included,,, there will be some kind of judgement after this life, and to me it's not a good thing in your palmares to have impersonated God :)
But yeah, believing you're there creator only in your reality is fine.

>parents basement
>If what they say is useful, it doesn't matter
Anon, many people say very interesting things, on yt, here, on reddit, etc, but the problem for me is they can't back up their claim by actual manifestations. When I say this I don't mean manifesting the exact meal they were thinking of, but the big manifestations everyone should aim for if they had this power. Lots of houses all over the world, lots of cars, perfect body (to begin with !!!), etc
So yeah, their advices are useful but they're not reliable nor credible in this context.
What's the point of taking advice from someone who didn't manifest anything extraordinary, something that can't happen in a regular life without even knowing LoA.
At least those coaches on yt should show themselves talking from a room full of gold and diamonds and I'd start believing them lol. Take sammy ingram, her background is full of plastic figurines, seriously when you're rich this is not what you want to show people.

Anyway loa can help get a good life for sure, but to an extend, and mostly because it's a very good way to improve your self concept. This alone can attract many good things and good people and good events. And it's probably why it works for some, due to the self confidence it brings.

so i have been here for years
i have tried many methods

>neville sats
i successfully manifested climbing a ladder (i haven't climbed a ladder since I was a kid).
however i tried using it for manifesting a pink tennis ball and it didn't work.
i couldn't manifest anything else

>two cups method
didn't work, manifested nothing

>UL 10 minutes command session
didn't work, manifested nothing

>robotic affirmations
didn't work, manifested nothing

>scripting
didn't work, manifested nothing

>SMAnon's schizo shit
didn't work, manifested nothing. however weirdly made my symptoms go away in a few hours but they returned after months. probably still just luck.

>list method
didn't work, manifested nothing

>Bengston's image cycling
never tried this one


yeah, i think i am gonna stop wasting my time

>>41389355
wtf, every single time I post in the last week i get dubs

>>41389340
>Pretending you're God doesn't go without consequences.
PRETENDING?!
>Acting like you are the creator of *your* reality is fine to me, but believing you're God
BELIEVING?!

No. This is not what it is. You either are god or not. There is no place for semantic or denials here. Also, "God" is just a metaphor, and probably is the most off putting for everyone as it has multiple meanings for infinite amount of persons. The point is: You create your own reality, and always has been. God, The Dreamer of this world, etc. All point out to the same thing.

>is completely a no go for me.
Ah, ok. It's just a preference of approaches and what worldview you subscribe to. But the thing is you can have any experience you decide, and that include being god and going to the deep end of the solipsistic experience of being the creator.
>and to me it's not a good thing in your palmares to have impersonated God :)
Not to sound rude, but fuck it: Whatever you thing is good for me or not, i don't really care, as I AM the one who have the final word in the direction my life is heading towards, and that include my conclusions about my own reality. Conclusion is command.

>but the problem for me is they can't back up their claim by actual manifestations.
Then you're going to always live in the plato cave. As simple as that. Nobody have the responsibility to convince you of anything. Following the line of thought im operating on, the only evidence i need is the personal one. You ultimately accept the rules you abide to in your own life and what you're going to do with yourself.
>loa can help get a good life for sure
This is why i don't associate myself with LoA and just outright go to the kind of magic UL and /one/ goes for. It's all about difference between goals anyway: For me, anything less than being god and absolute mastery over the universe is a waste of time at this point.

>>41389355
Bye bye (Or see you tomorrow).

>>41389365
hehe

UL bros? so you are God right? if so can you manifest a sandwich on my desk right now? this minute this second. before I even hit submit as you should already know.

>>41389405
no sandwich on my desk.
not looking so good godbros

>>41388494
Ok but why rich people whi have access to magick can't regrow hair apart from graft

>>41388983
>This is much harder to achieve while imagining or wanting to move abroad,
Hey anon, why don't you manifest a rich brother who would buy you tickets, like Neville did, easy peazy

>>41389194
>until it feels like memory
Nta, isn't it counterintuitive because a memory is from the past it's finished, buried, so why assimilate something you'd like to have as something that is buried. If your sub thinks it's a memory ot won't materialize it again in your 3d no? Or it would have materialized all your memories again.

>>41389254
>Despite the GPT response, I'll check it out
This guy is Life is fun anon. He's very helpful and I don't think he uses chatgpt, but he didnt manifest anything yet that would be considered improbable, his story about dating a woman in a forum is not what we'd called improbable. But he's helpful and motivating though.

>>41389355
I could have written this message. Exact samenthings for me. Except I trid Bengston image cycling. It's a great exercise to improve memory, apart from that I am still waiting for the wishes to be fulfilled.

>>41389375
>No. This is not what it is. You either are god or not. There is no place for semantic or denials here.
Who created you then you're sub your awareness? You created yourself out of the blue?
Be humble anon, you are obviously not God, and never will. You can be the good in your reality but not the God.
It's improbably the purpose of this whole psyop though, to make people think they are God, and keep them from spirituality.
You failed for it.

>>41389700
I like the response and video
>>41389657
Hm, good to consider, maybe not a brother but, someone giving me the money or the ticket, or the way to go, or even an email..?
>>41389681
I think this is overthinking, just imagining having it should do, but thats hard for me

>>41389791
Good evening saar

Actually, this UL talk reminds me, was that painting from advanced portrait painting ever posted anywhere?

>>41389791
>You created yourself out of the blue?
Yes, i just forgot that i did.
>Be humble anon, you are obviously not God, and never will.
Whatever help you to sleep at night, i guess.
>It's improbably the purpose of this whole psyop though, to make people think they are God, and keep them from spirituality. You failed for it.
Care to elaborate? So being spiritual is being a good for nothing superstitious wishful thinking coping new ager nutjob while the psy op is actually acknowledging that my reality belongs to me and me alone and taking care of it with my own power? Well, i guess im glad a fell for it, phew, thanks glowies! =)

>>41390314
>Yes, i just forgot that i did.create my self including my awareness
lol, you don't even realize how dumb your reply is. I wish you had a trip so I can block you. People like you still give advices, geeeez

>>41389355
Gateway patterning tape is missing from your list, you should try it. (It didn't work yet for me.)

>>41389620
My theory is that using magick makes you lose your hair.

>>41390549
I didn't mentioned awareness, i said i did create myself, the character im "playing as" always. Don't know from where awarareness and experience came from, but i don't care either way, i just know that i can just decide an outcome and make it happen and so it does, this is the essence of magick, and everything i just did i take the last unevitable step acrosd the implications of it, asserting myself as totality, and uniting my world and my mind once again.

>People like you still give advices, geeeez
I don't give advice to anyone, period. And even so, why can't you just dimiss it? Can't think for yourself? Retard?

>>41391011
>Alan chapman had hair
>Neville had hair
>Paolucci has hair
>Grant Morrison has hair
My theory is that you're both coping.

>>41391065
No, doing magick makes one losing his hair, that is the only explanation to why you can use magick for anything except having your hair back. These guys were wearing a wig. I dare you to find a better theory.

>neville goddard

Ive read everything he read

Its garbage

>>41391130
Every limitation is self imposed.

>>41391231
Teleport outside my door
>uhh uhhhh uhm, well uhm

Fuck off retard

anybody had success from the lullaby method?

>>41391235
Cry about it

>>41391235
Dude I dared LilAnon to do this once and he actually teleported next to me and scared me shitless. Be careful.

>>41382426
Don't, just affirm you're more attractive and charismatic.

>Can I p....SHUT UP... Yes you can
That's every reply here by loa professionals, even if they didnt manifest shit
Guys, if I could get billion dollars, any girl, any property in front of the beach, any sports car, ,any anything, I surely wouldn't spend my time on this thread or any other thread. I'd enjoy life.
If you're still here arguing with random trolls (like me haha) it's because you are single, poor, and living in your parents basement.

>>41391678
>Don't, just affirm you're more attractive and charismatic.
yeah, because you certainly are all of that already.

>>41391642
Wtf? Bullshit

you guys suck

>>41391810
no u

Anyone attempt time travel yet?

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Make a decision.

90% of this shit is literally just deciding. Call it law of asumption, magick, UL, call it whatever you want. Most of you aren't even sending your mind a clear instruction. You're like a guy at the restaurant who gives the waiter thirty different orders, then says "bring me whatever," then spergsout when the plate isn't exactly what you wanted. That's your mind. You're half-assed about what you want, and then blaming """the universe""" when reality hands you the noisy shit fest you asked for.

Just sit the fuck down and choose. Are you having it or you not? Pick one and stop contradicting yourself every five minutes. Stop rehearsing the lack, stop checking the 3D, stop trying a million techniques while emotionally staying in lack. Stand on your decision and live from that end, repeat the feeling, replay the scene, behave like it's normal. The power is in the decision that you refuse to undermine. Do you have it or not? Make the call, lock the state, and stop arguing with your own outcome.

>>41392148
Yeah, people have aged themselves back years back or forward before. Or rewrote their pasts.

>>41391996
what is this, anon? are there more?

>>41392298
It's UL

>>41392225
How? Just visualizing in state akin to sleep and affirming during the day?

>>41392358
Yeah that's what they claim, I never really cared about stuff like that though. If you really want you can just go read their success stories and what they say worked for them.

Anyone else keep circling between
>I'm completely alone
and
>I'm NEVER alone
& the emotional whiplash that causes? If you used to struggle with it but now dont, what did you do?

>>41392589
Actually I'll answer my own question. Just affirm that I'm at peace in my perfect understanding. Affirm my mastery of it and confidence on it, being still as a stone but flexible as the ocean. I can do this, I am doing it, I have always done it.

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>>41392202
My biggest problem is finding a specific appearance for the girl i want to manifest. I've only ever manifested through visualization. Affirmations don't do it for me, and just trying to "feel' my dream girl next to me doesn't feel nearly as intense and wish fulfilled as seeing a specific video or image of someone. I need something specific but every time I find or even generate an ai image of a beautiful woman, I eventually see a flaw in her beauty then go back to looking. It's fucked up because when I have a specific image in mind, manifestation is way more likely to happen.

>Bro that's just an assumption
Go fuck yourself.

>>41393142
>My biggest problem is finding a specific appearance for the girl i want to manifest.
Just assume that the girl you want to manifest has all of the perfect physical characteristics your subconscious likes.

>and just trying to "feel' my dream girl next to me doesn't feel nearly as intense and wish fulfilled as seeing a specific video or image of someone.
That's the point of SATS.

Unironically, if you cannot manifest, try a method PLUS semen retention and a week fast. I always manifest something (usually women or money) from day 10 semen retention and 3 days of fasting.

>>41393142
It is just an assumption.

>>41393741
I can't really do fasting (already end up hungry for not properly eating).
I can sort of attest to SR, as well as actually making a habit of manifestation seem to have tied down my cooming habit quite a lot, I think I possibly fapped twice or only once last month.

I'd like to delve deeper into this though, I want to get my mojo back, not sure how. And spending 10 days not even getting an erection feels bad on another level.

>>41394149
Good thread to discuss getting into SATS

>>41392202
To continue that restaurant analogy: after how long of not getting the food you ordered is it ok to ask the waiter: Excuse me, did you not take in my order?

>>41380434
>https://galleryofmagick.com/2015/08/21/banishing-your-lust-for-result/
Very good read anon, indeed it has so many parallels to manifestation, but also some actual useful tips on how to avoid lust for results. Specially:

>What you can do is let go of lust, by almost acting as though you never performed the magick. That means you continue to put in as much real world effort as you can. This is a tricky mental balancing act. On the one hand you are showing complete faith in the magick, trusting that it will work, but on the other you are acting as though the magick isn’t even required. Although this mental doublethink sounds difficult to achieve, it is quite easy when you make sure your focus is on the present moment.

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Ok lads I'm sort in a pinch, help me conjure this scene out:
1) first off money, besides rent I get my school's tuition fee to pay out, as well as some spending money for the rest of the year, I do have quite a bit of money already, but tied out to crypto, and this past month has been absolutely lazy town with it, I'm fairly confident this month will pick up though, so ideally I want I to squeeze the most value I can out of this.
2) Japanese proficiency test coming up, I'm fairly confident about this too, but attention is needed because it isn't simple, specially some grammar points that I struggle with, I know I can make if I put some study time, the problem is getting my distract ass the deserving study time
3) as a cherry on top I've been really close with my SP pretty much already see/act as she is my girlfriend, but want to take it the next level, she also can help me study which a nice combo
4) turns out all this drinking and smoking, while also going into autumn and catching a cold has taken a toll on my health, I think the worst has passed but as its usually the case with me and colds, it moves from the throat to the lungs, so its something that at the least need to look out for

Question is, how to tie all of these together into a concise scene?
I guess I can focus first on 1 and 4 first as they're more immediate, then 2 and 3 seems like a easy combo.
Still suggestions?

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what happens when millions of men have the same SP as a target? who, of all of them, gets her?
>inb4 multiversal solipsism

>>41395136
That is the only answer. Every person we manifest is also with infinite other people in other dimensions, as are you. Any person you meet could be your soulmate in another life.

>>41395136
that's what we call whores

Does this place suck because I'm manifesting that it sucks?

>>41395060
oh yeah and I almost forgot, there is also the Avantasia Concert coming up soon, can't miss that for sure

>>41395308
yes, when I was around it had plenty great quality posters

>>41395136
stronger magnet wins.

>>41395327
You're still here though?

>>41395060
I honestly don't get questions like this. For me constructing a scene is the fun part of manifesting. I would NEVER outsource it to another.

>>41395346
Yes, there are good posts for me, see last as example.

>>41395366
>For me constructing a scene is the fun part of manifesting. I would NEVER outsource it to another.
True, of course I would never just blindly take another scene blindy without consideration, but just that for this one I'm having a hard time putting all of this together.
Tho even as I was writing it, I thought to myself: maybe its a dumb question?
But you know, sometimes all it takes is you writing it out to figure what the answer is gonna be.

>>41394562
>how long of not getting the food
I don't understand why this question is spammed in every thread, it's the same answer every time. How long it takes depends entirely on when you start to believe you are going to get/already have your desire. It just depends on when you decide you have it. The goal of manifesting is not to get a goal in the 3D, you have to satisfy yourself in imagination first, then you will get the result in the 3D as a cherry on top. Until you stop caring about the "time" it will get for the 3D to change because you satisfied your desire in imagination, is when you will be reflected in 3d also.

So, do you have your desire or not?

>>41395136
Depends on three things:

1. whose assumption is strongest and least contradicted

2. what identity each man is living from, and whether the target’s own assumptions and free will line up with any of them.

3. The universe (or your subconscious) doesn't hand people out to the loudest want, it arranges experiences that match each person’s inner state.

So the guy who actually becomes the one she ends up with isn't necessarily the guy who desperately wants her the most, it's the one whose inner life already contains the relationship as a given, who behaves from that identity and therefore creates the bridge of incidents (timing, availability, compatible chemistry, mutuality).

Success story, it wouldn't have been possible without you guys!
I left the best manifestation for the end.

1/ I was disturbed by the building in front of mine because it was hiding the sun. I wasn't able to see the sunset and I was pissed off.
So I imagined myself looking at the sunset from my window, and bam a few days later they decided to demolish the building !

2/ My neighbor in the flat on top of mine was causing me stress with the noise he made.
So I imagined there were no one anymore, and bam a few days later the neighbor has been captured by aliens. No noise anymore.

3/ This one is the best ! I was pissed off to pay too much taxes, so I imagined I was free from paying any tax. And bam, a few days later Trump removed the IRS ! No more taxes! (in my reality only, not in yours sorry).

So keep faith guys, persist, persist, persist !!

I can't prove these manifestations of course because they only happened in my reality, you have to do this yourself if you want to get results.
A tip to manifest IRS removal : think of Trump's smile, it helped a lot.

>>41379428
>desire to become desireless
lowiq retard like the buddah

Wait, if Universal Line it's off topic, then why is back on the OP?

>>41391165
Best post really.

>>41396710
It’s not off topic.
It’s equally as bad as any other technique.
>>41396667
You just need to let go.

>>41395502
>How long it takes depends entirely on when you start to believe you are going to get/already have your desire.
Can you honestly say that's your experience? In retrospect I've had manifestations that felt natural fairly quickly yet they took months to materialize.

>>41396870
>It’s equally as bad as any other technique.
So, what's the solution?

Friendly reminder that imagining or affirming (if done correctly) is not a 'technique', it's you experiencing the desired thing. Don't let the 'just assume bro' and 'let go' fags convince you otherwise.

>>41396870
It's not a technique, though.

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>>41396875
When I was new and trying to get my ex back it took me six months because I kept going back and forth on if I really had it or not and checking the 3D.

I saw a video about how you had to lock in and just decide if you really had it or not and I did, three days later she texted me and now we are together still and I have a kid on the way now. So yes it has worked for me and other things I have tried.

Decide right now if you have what you want or not and don't entertain any other thoughts.

>>41396937
This.

Manifestation is NOT this: visualize and affirm => get my desire in 3D => be happy in 3D.

Manifestation instead is this: visualize => get my desire in imagination => be happy in imagination => byproduct: appears in 3D as a cherry on top.