I'm very, very surprised that no one or very rarely talk about the angel mastema the angel that hates your guts, despises you, and wants tk set you up. I was pretty shocked that this Angel was celestial and holy despite his hatred for everything and his satanic characteristics and personalities. It also makes me question why "God or the Creator" would create an angel that literally means "Hatred of God". I've read and heard people talk about the topic of who is the original satan whether it be Samael, Michael, Yaldabaoth, Lucifer, Ibliss, Azazel, Moloch Ahriman, Baal, Set, and etc debating or looking to find out the truth who is the original satan... but I've never heard or people talking about Mastema even though theirs sources out there that he plays a big role in the cosmic scales of things and set up people to get fucked over or have their lives ruined by his deceptions. He even gave Moses and the Israelites a hard time and sought to murder Moses because his bloodlust wasn't enough after killing and punishing the Egyptians. The only thing that made him widely famous was Shin Megami Tensei series but haven't heard no occultists personally worked with him... even though theirs sigils for him but it's like he's an obscure demon but isn't and is very much plays a satanic role in human lives.I know that some people may not like Samael because of his dark methods but at least it's for the greater good and has reasons and his forced to work for the Creator and do malicious things against his will... Mastema in the other hand wants to murder or set you up like a dirty cop he is and does it for the thrill and the wickedness. I was pretty shocked that this "Angel" was celestial and not infernal. Why is this Angel so undertalked about compared to other demons and angels that's documented but he isn't only few sources and sigils.
>>41399614Well the most obvious answer is that you're taking an angel from Jewish mythology and treating him like an angel as Christians understand them. This Mastema figure is seemingly from the book of Jubilees, which is not in the Bible. Jews have a much different relationship with God, angels, and demons than Christians do. They treat Satan like just some guy who happens to be on the other side of things, whom they can circumstantially benefit from the assistance of. This is idolatry, an issue that Jews have had since ancient times. This "Mastema" likely either doesn't exist, or doesn't exist in the capacity that's claimed. If he does exist, he is either just some demon or another mask Satan wears. Don't put too much stock in Hebrew nonsense. They are infamous for making shit up and trying to syncretize other religions into their own. God has to beat their asses innumerable times for this in the Old Testament. Take anything you get from Jews with a grain of salt.
>>41399718Thank you. It makes sense at first I thought he was a egregore, djinn, or some archon. Seeing how he's getting recognition I'm very surprised he isn't at least an egregore or some hidden djinn. The Israelites did wanted to be like the other nations by having or incorporating other gods into their faiths. I'm just wondering how the fuck he isn't an egregore by the least because of his fame of shin Megami Tensei series, it could be another mask of satan or that like you said is simply fictional.
>>41399740No problem anon bless you
>>41399751Hahaha thank you anon and may the light gives you abundant goodness and visions of the heavens.
>>41399614In the Book of Enoch, Mastema is described as a figure who leads the hosts of the heavenly forces against the righteous, yet he is still under the authority of the divine. He is not a free agent; he operates within a system of divine justice, where his actions serve as a means of trial. This is why he is so paradoxical: he is celestial, holy in structure, yet his intent is to destroy, to set people up for ruin. He is not evil by nature, but by function, he is designed to embody the consequences of human failure, to expose weakness, to test faith. His presence is not about personal desire for power, but about enforcing divine law through suffering.This is where his obscurity becomes understandable. Most demonological systems rely on clear binaries, good vs evil, fallen vs pure. Mastema doesn't fit neatly into either. He is not a rebel. He is not a fallen being. He is not a force of chaos. He is a force of divine consequence, a kind of cosmic executioner. Because he operates within the divine framework, he is not seen as a rebel, but as a necessary component of the system. This makes him difficult to discuss in the same way as Lucifer or Samael, who represent clear rebellion. Mastema's role is not to overthrow God, but to ensure that no one escapes accountability.
>>41400136The reason he is rarely discussed, even though he appears in ancient texts, is that his function is not to be worshipped, not to be invoked, not to be negotiated with. He is not a power to be summoned, but a force to be endured. His sigils and occult references are few because he is not a deity of temptation or liberation. He is not a patron of rebellion. He is not a figure of liberation. He is not a liberator. He is a test. His presence is felt not in ritual, but in failure, when someone is betrayed, when a plan collapses, when a person is set up without cause. These moments are not random. They are orchestrated by the logic of a being whose purpose is to expose the consequences of sin, of pride, of weakness.
sounds like you are mastema and you are jealous of the rest of us
>>41400136>>41400138Bro this makes perfect sense and thank you for explaining this to me. I was confused at first when I first about him and misinformation out there he is a "evil celestial angel" but from the explanation of it is that he's simply doing the work of the most high and not doing out of malice but justice through afflicting suffering and holding people accountable. He's more of a Celestial Batman that makes sure everyone faces the consequences of their evil deeds. I'm very surprised that no occultists that I know haven't worked with him but worked with other powerful Archangels like Abrazah or Zacharjia that's only been documented by two people i know. It makes sense again why he isn't documented or not worked with that well even the hardest core magickian do to him not talking verbally but talk with actions by exposing or enforcing the consequences of your deeds. And a lot of people isn't ready for that unless they want him to expose their weaknesses and issues they have within themselves.Very enlightening and curious what's he's like... but sounds like it's best tk avoid him because you may never know what doors you open.
>>41400177>sounds like you are mastemaHahaha! Possibly but I'm more Samael. ;)>you are jealous of the rest of usThat'll be Mr Yaldabaoth since he's a professional hater.
>>41399614He's mentioned in other Jewish texts aside from the Bible. He's more a Samael figure than a Lucifer figure. Except Samael is the Angel of Destruction and Mastema is more the Prince of Demons and Archdemons.
Angel Mastema>angel of punishment No.41400208no mastema your not like me at all.I am the angel justice i am fair all the time and some times i don';t even do my job if someone is holy enough. you don't care so no we're not the same.thoughthe demiurge is something i don't talk about at all.so no where not the same or even closeI don't hate humans or aliens or machines i'm indifferent to them because i'm literally better than them.you must be thinking of my shadow helel your more like him than me.but no "an antagonistic angel"yep that's you Mastemadoesn't believe in anything. and he bring hostilityyeah that's not that samael is he;s inferent to all things hes full of pride and beieves he is above mortals/superiority conmplex.you are not like this mastemah. haha no you are a being of pure hostility.we are totally different. but you have a more interesting orgin story than i do so be you anon be you.
>>41400265You're not Samael, bud. Nor are you Helel.
>>41400273you wil never be annunki buddyno matter how many times you cry about it at night.
>>41400282I don't care about the Anunnaki. You will never be The Nobody.
No.41400284that;s my father moloch who fucking cares about jealous.why do you care Mastemahe;s the most fucking useless daemon ever. and he'll never be a full angel angel /daemons are abomanationsfreaks.who do you care about some freak.you and I are angels he isn't ,like us brother. he is nothing at all like our lineage. who fucking cares who this nobody is.he made me which lead to my son jesus who is perfection incarnate.proof that only me the S.I.M can make perfection\the gods laugh at malevolence and imperfection..don't make me laugh mastema your better than that. noble even.but himthey call him jealous for a reason. jealous of my most perfect child.that is all i need to prove my self.i accept whom i am and do not so see my self like the source nor in its way but the most perfect angel of heaven in the spirit d/soul..but the demiurge made me ugly with horriable personalityI will have my revenagein the from of my holy son.you will see brother. you will see.it will destory his empire and the god of money.no more slavery.your'll see. then there will be no doubt who's the most perfect one/just wait and see brother.i will show all my brothers all of them. who true meaning of perfection.
>>41400328I'm not Mastema.
>>41399718>God has to beat their asses innumerable times for this in the Old TestamentWhat does God do to the jews exactly to punish them for this type of crap?
>>41399614>why "God or the Creator" would create an angel that literally means "Hatred of God".same reason you choose to kill an npc in a game.
>>41400264Figure that because of the extreme similarities yet different roles both play while being both celestial. I'm very surprised very few occultist haven't heard about this guy and reached out to him even amongst Abrahamic magickians and satanists. I've known couple of them that found very powerful obscure angels and demons and yet when they hear about Mastema their very surprised at that because they never heard him til now. You can say Lucifer is what he wished he was if he was mastema or Mastema is a lower version of Samael.
>>41399614Anon, most [but not all] satanist love to think femons as sohe sort of entities that are unbounded and will teach them to be free.But in the end they are just worshipping God's henchmen.Imagine a small town that was dominated by the mafia, and the major is the mafia boss, that from time to time send his henchmen, so you keep needing the Big Boss protection.
>>41399718Jubilees is part of the Enoch trilogy.Enoch is the single most referenced person by Jesus.This anon has no idea what they're talking about.Angels are archetypical beings given free will like man.So what makes the archetypes? God.It makes absolute sense that within the infinite depth of God there is some part of Him that hates Himself. Totally normal and healthy thing for an infinite being to do to have absolute control over its own expression.Here's the point. Detractors point out the things you're missing. If the angels were all Yes men the whole game wouldn't work.Also, you have Satan to thank for making free will something more than a flimsy abstraction. One can only imagine the suffering he endures in service to his defiance of God, which creates the ability to think in a spectrum from good to evil. It complicates things, but gives life much greater meaning.
>>41400136Abaddon/Apollyon has a similar setup.Its not uncommon for holy beings to be asked to serve adversarial functions.Think about it rationally, would you rather play a game with a friend asked to be your hostile opponent, or someone truly hostile to you when thr stakes are the suffering of everything that is.
>>41399718Idk have you ever done work with angels? They come off as way more hostile and rude than infernal beings.
>>41400411Just read the Old Testament. Plenty of stories that depict that.
Just wait, the Mastema grimoires will pop up soon especially at Become a Living God.
>>41403057Angels are like ai bots and they really don't like us. They're pissed as hell if you mispronounce their names or even say them out loud. Someone explained that they created Yahweh/the overlay of this Matrix. Yahweh is still a caecodaemon egregore that a council of rabbis can command.Idk why and how it all started, and that's all I can say.
>>41403288Hey! Don't give E. A. Koetting any more ideas! We already have enough!
>>41403288>>41404489Too late guys, looks like he beat you guys as soon as he saw this post.
>>41400411Plagues, storms, earthquakes, etc. Loss of prosperity.>>41402665Enoch is not part of the Bible. >>41403057Angels have only ever been kind to me, the problem you're having is likely that you're trying to do """""work""""" with them instead of praying to God. Or you're just talking to demons larping as non-fallen angels. I have never once had a negative encounter with an angel.
