based or cringe?
>>41405101Extremely cringe. All occultists of that era are. They were LARPers and trust fundee nepo babies playing make believe with forces beyond their comprehension. Thelema and the associated cult he created just existed for him to get his rocks off. There's a story of how he once summoned a demon, a real one, and couldn't get rid of it. It totally wrecked his house and his life declined from that point until his death. Robert Plant bought the house and corroborated that it was occupied by a diabolical force. He was a doofus who would have participated in the succubus generals if he were alive today.
>>41405149>here's a story of how he once summoned a demon, a real one, and couldn't get rid of it. It totally wrecked his house and his life declined from that point until his death. Robert Plant bought the house and corroborated that it was occupied by a diabolical force. He was a doofus who would have participated in the succubus generals if he were alive today.Pretty sure you're mixing up some details in there, but I'd be glad to be wrong as long as you provided sources.
>>41405101>>41405149>>41405161>would have participated in the succubus generals if he were alive todayWe all know that this is most definitely true though.
>>41405101He eatid da poo poohttps://youtu.be/gUthNZk5fSg?si=wyYyQO2kw-vwf2D1
>>41405191I don't care about that part. But as far as I know, Crowley couldn't complete the Abramelin at Boleskine house. And it was Jimmy Page who bought it later, not Plant.
>>41405161Ah, you're right. I misremembered, it was Jimmy Page who owned the house. I knew it was someone in Led Zeppelin. He wouldn't stay there because the atmosphere frightened him and because of aforementioned demons. Crowley attempted a ritual to summon his guardian angel, and during the process was supposed to summon and banish his own >Personal demonsAs he put it. Which likely just means regular demons. Crowley never finished the ritual and a bunch of demons remained in the house unbanished.
>>41405149This, we need to stop using this dude as the figure head of western occultism, matter of fact everything written about western occultism post 1900 is trash
>>41405208I don't think he got that far in the ritual to have conjured any demons. The land around Boleskine had a spooky reputation long before Crowley arrived on scene.
>>41405240That's just conjecture on your part. As far as I know, and from what people generally have said, he did summon demons during that ritual and they're still there.
>>41405250Ok, which people and what were their sources that you can cite?
>>41405264Sorry that's too tedious. This is stuff I learned years ago from a documentary. I don't have the patience to find the sources on everything I say to you. I don't want to be dismissive, but you could always look it up. It probably wouldn't be too difficult to find, just too difficult for me to care to find for you. Sorry
>do what thou wilt, nigga
>>41405289Well, stuff like that is important if we're to avoid... conjecture as you say. And I'm being really pedantic about this because as far as I know, Crowley was using a defective French manuscript of the Abramelin, one that was missing a whole book. It's also important that in complete manuscripts recently found, the whole ritual takes 18 months versus the six months in the manuscript Crowley was working. So yeah... I don't think Crowley got far enough to conjure any demons at Boleskine. Reading about his accounts of Aiwass and Choronzon, I don't think Crowley had any discipline at all to perform the Abramelin as decribed even in the defective manuscript.
>>41405317>Choronzonlmao was that the one where he made neuberg fuck him in the ass in the desert?yeah... i don't think we'd find that in the book of abramelinhttps://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/642011.html
>>41405332>The experience was overwhelming for both men, but it temporarily devastated Crowley. His summation was brief. "There was an animal in the wilderness," he writes, "but it was not I."too much even for the freewheeling antinomian crowley?
>>41405101fartknocker
>>41405149>>41405221>This, we need to stop using this dude as the figure head of western occultismCrowley is solely responsible for why any occult knowledge is easily available to us in the first place. >trust fundee nepo babies playing make believe with forces beyond their comprehensionAnd they are the sole reason nobody has a clear idea of what is and is not true about Crowley because they were furious that he believed magickal practices were for everyone and made the information available to everyone instead of their secret club. So they pretty much led a "smear campaign" that Crowley was smart enough to embraces instead of fight back against. Which got him a shit load of naive retards to pay him to teach them so he could fund his drug habit after blowing all of his inheritance on a lifestyle of nomadic debauchery.Crowley wasn't perfect by any means, but he truly believed the entire world was entitled to The Great Work and shred it of any pretense and mystery. "Our method is science, Our aim is religion."
>>41405221>hasnt read Dr. Paul Foster CaseHylic sorry. You need to do more research
>>41405738>nomadic debaucheryYeah! Let's listen to that guy in performing ~~~THE GREAT WORK~~~
>>41406447Occultism, mysticism, etc. is no different than anything else. We are all human. Some of my favorite musicians and filmmakers are absolute retards, but it doesn't mean their material does not resonate with me when separated from the person.There shouldn't be a need to find a flawless "savior" or "guide" or "leader." If that's what you are in need of then just join any religion. Again - regardless of how you feel about him as a person and regardless of what is and is not true about him - the one true thing is he made available to everyone the materials he believed we all needed to better ourselves and find whatever the fuck it is we are seeking in this world that is "more than this."Dismissing anything from Crowley simply because he was a drug addicted pervert is like refusing to change your flat tire because your abusive dad was the one who taught you how to change a tire. The only person you're hurting is yourself by standing around on the side of the highway waiting for someone else you have to pay to fix your problems when really if you just set your ego aside you could follow your abusive dad's advice and freely better yourself.Would you eat soup with a fork because the guy who created the spoon was a douche bag?
>>41405101based and cringe, but for different reasonsthe man certainly had a unique experience of life, and he did it on purpose
>>41405101When living in my car I finally needed to sell the last of my books, i.e. the occult ones. I went to a large used bookstore with a huge bag of them. Inside was a copy of Diary of a Drug Friend I'd bought somewhere in Texas. Its first page was full of autographs from the previous owner's Law school graduation, someone had gifted a student this book and all the signatures referred to little jokes about the class.As they called my name to give me the money the cashier quietly pushed the Diary back to me and looked at me like I was INSANE. 'Okay whatever,' I thought, 'I bought it at the same company, different state, guess they think I defaced it myself.' When I got to my car I opened the book, the cashier had put a sticky note with a large 'X' over part of the autographs.When I took it off I noticed a small bit I'd never seen before. It read something like, "Can't wait to work with you man, fuck the Jews - Sam." They didn't think I was insane they just thought I was a Nazi! I laughed so fucking hard. That's the story of how Crowley stayed with me when no one else did. Based.
>>41405738>Crowley is solely responsible for why any occult knowledge is easily available to us in the first place.Crowley was already riding a trend of more liberalized attitudes toward occultism. He was preceded by the likes of Francis Barrett, Eliphas Levi and Helena Blavatsky after all. Are you gonna thank him for the internet and pdf scans too?>he believed magickal practices were for everyone and made the information available to everyone>got him a shit load of naive retards to pay him to teach them so he could fund his drug habitAn addict funding his drug habit makes the supposed egalitarianism seem less likely. If he was so interested in making it accessible to everyone, why did he write in such an opaque style that often requires prior reading to understand? No, Crowley was still thick in the four powers of the sphinx type nonsense.>The Great Work>"Our method is science, Our aim is religion."That just screams lodge magic pretentiousness. In fact Crowley-anity is what you get when Jung drunk fucks lodge magic.>Would you eat soup with a fork because the guy who created the spoon was a douche bag?But Crowley didn't invent the spoon. Thankfully, he didn't "invent" Solomonic magic either (and holy fuck it was stupid for him to say goetic spirits were parts of the brain). I've been careful to steer away from Enochian magic though. Dee and Kelly's lives didn't exactly end the way I'd want mine to end. Same with Spare. The way I see it, if you had a far fall from grace and/or died poor, I'd rather not practice your "magic".>the one true thing is he made available to everyone the materials he believed we all needed to better ourselvesI don't care what bits he swiped from the GD or Mathers, because fuck them too. Honestly, you could sit down and count your breath for an hour a day for twenty years and find something "more than this". And it'd still be better than Crowley's mixlarp of tantra and nigrigged Christianity.
>>41406577didn't he make it a rule in the aa and oto to not take money for magical teaching?and yet he was living off of dues and donations from members of both?i thought that was really lame. the guy was more the great breast than beast
He was retarded.
>>41406577anon, curious to hear your thoughts on picrel.
>>41406687I don't even know how to verify that. And what am I even supposed to do with that information if told? What did Monroe and Castaneda suggest doing?
>do what thou wilt>immediately becomes obsessed with assplay, manipulating all of his peers into giving up ass>dies in squalorBringe
>>41406817on at least one occasion he was the one giving up assbut yeah, it's still assplay
He was a good, occasionally very good, modern prose stylist who attempted to bring esotericism into the 20th century, and he's worth reading. He hits some real peaks in The Vision and the Voice.Crowley is probably not a good object for your hero-worship, and whenever the subject of Crowley comes up there are always plenty of folks who feel compelled to point out all the reasons why, but here's my contribution: he was an accomplished early mountain climber who got himself written out of histories of the sport for generations for sitting in his tent drinking tea while men died on Kangchenjunga in 1905, after which no one would climb with him. It's sad but you can read everything he did after that as cope for not dying on that mountain.
>>41407495>who got himself written out of histories of the sport for generations for sitting in his tent drinking tea while men died on Kangchenjunga in 1905, >after which no one would climb with him.The fact that he was a pervert trying to sodomize everyone may have contributed
>>41405101He looks like he belongs working as a retail cashier in some mega chain store in the suburbs.
>>41406687Uhhhhh you can blame the demonic horny space elves for that one. Please keep then in quarantine because they watched too much violent hentai and now their brains are fucked
>>41407506They all went to English boarding school; they could handle him. But sure, his proclivities making the papers later didn't help his cause.
>>41405101fake, gay and retarded
>>41407495Eh, I don't know, man. When Celia Farts actually gives me more tingles than the Aethyr stuff, as cringey as it is. I've read some of the accounts of the Kanchenjunga climb, both of the survivors and Crowley's. I don't think he actually felt any remorse at all. And some of the accounts of his behavior lead me to think he simply shouldn't ever have been in a group with other people in any dangerous situation what more lead them. Hiring a hotelkeeper as transport officer? Pointing a revolver at another climber previous to that? What the fuck? I don't care what kind of tortured soul picture you're trying to paint of him as a disgraced climber. It's just too retarded.
>>41405101>>41407513He looks like Donald Trump without the plastic surgeries, fake spray tan and combover/toupee.
>>41407699He looks like Hank from Breaking Bad.
>>41405101Originally based, then turned cringe.
>>41405149>Robert Plant
>>41405101Both
>>41406687Almost all of it is not true. It's from Monroe's second book. >He did not have an informer. He had "guides" that either tried to manipulate him and were archons in disguise, or actual good guys. He didn't get this information from them, he got an equivalent to a trip flyer that mentioned this. It was actually mentioned that simply killing is low in amount and quality of loosh, it's higher emotions such as missing, hoping, feeling patriotic, ecstatic creates more and better quality of it.>I don't remember if you are required to die to release loosh, but it was mentioned that it's sort of super effective perpetuum mobile that people feel variety of emotions for such a long time and they reproduce so the loosh never ends and is very rare.It was said that not only animals were equipped with claws and shit, but it didn't do nothing. Only after humans became miserable the farm took off. So everything got tweaked and humans were divided into 2 sexes so they will chase all their lives something that they will never obtain.>His light beings guides told that loosh is ackhtually le ebin love and showed him the granary for it.So yeah, we are in more of a mental hell rather than physical
>>41405101sometimes you need to be a little bit based to be this cringe. he is a king in this context.
You tell me...The left side of his face appears genuinely shocked and mortified; the right side of his face appears awed and demented. He was a depraved and dark soul; he discovered (on his own, by his own power and assertion of it) some powerful laws about how things work around here, and then he completely failed his calling to push back against the serpentine darkness and establish order in the image of the true light. He became corrupted and evil through his search for wisdom and power and he unleashed a lot of hell on this world with his magick. Real talk. You can doubt me if you will, but there is a reason he is revered by the powerful asshats of the world.
>>41406548>"The key of joy is disobedience."Insanely cringe, literally how an edgy teenager thinks, lol.
>>41405101yes , his last words "i am perplexed" was a a magick formula, now we are all crowleyLatin word "perplexusThe etymology of "perplex" traces back to the 14th century, originating from the Latin word "perplexus," which means "entangled" or "complicated." The prefix "per-" means "through" or "thoroughly," while "plexus" relates to weaving or intertwining. The term was formed as a back-formation from the adjective "perplexed," which appeared in the late 14th century.
>>41405149>t. someone who has not read a single source documentAnyways, Perdurabo is based. Prophet of the New Aeon. Literally synthesized and put together the most comprehensive libri of magickal texts ever conceived via the Equinox, Book 4, etc. His ability to weave together so many disparate sources and add his own blend of Thelemic univocality is insanely impressive. Literally a generational talent.
>>41412839>more stuff more betterlol golden corral esotericism
>>41406477good post
>>41413149extremely stupid postyou can learn to change a tire from a cool guyand then continue to change tires when you need to
>>41405149>playing make believe with forces beyond their comprehensionSome serious projection there onto people who had education, not just suburban cunts who think reading Aurelius makes them able to talk like a Vulcan without being a joke. All cults are for getting rocks off you deadshit.Sorry if you're from the USA, you wouldn't have an equivalent for 'deadshit', it means a lifeless, too-serious person who nobody takes seriously.
>>41411749He, like a whole generation at the time, was involved in a reaction against Victorianism that's still ongoing. The USA is still reacting against Puritanism, which is why there are Hooters all over the US but hardly any in post-Victorian Australia. Guy went further up K2 than anyone had before, did some pretty cool shit, then turned to comedy junkie after his 30s.
>>41406687>emotional energynah
>>41405101Kinda both honestly
>>41405149>He was a doofus who would have participated in the succubus generals if he were alive todaySo...he's based?
>>41413398>>41413438>>41413443This dude straight up jerking off to Crowley.
>>41413455>41414333
>>41405101Larping edgelord sodomite.
>>41406548>The key of joy is disobedienceBased as fuck.
>>41414958Sounds like the average /x/ poster
>>41413368can't even read
>>41413398>Vulcanok boomer
>>41415747your illiteracy isn't my problem
>>41405101Cringe. He defined his whole path in opposition to established religion and culture instead of defining it for himself through sincere thought and effort. That's understandable in the context of his strict upbringing, but his streak of rebelliousness for its own sake persisted into adulthood and he spiraled into his own pit of dissolute antinomianism. I'd sooner be a Mormon or Scientologist instead of a Thelemite. Crowley: 1/10
>>41407648>When Celia Farts actually gives me more tingles than the Aethyr stuff, as cringey as it isWell, tastes vary, I suppose.>I've read some of the accounts of the Kanchenjunga climb, both of the survivors and Crowley's. I don't think he actually felt any remorse at all. The Kanchenjunga climb - he should have died. He might be more interesting if he had, and someone had picked up the Book of the Law later, if you like to imagine alternate timelines. His account - I don't remember if it's in Confessions or one of his Vanity Fair articles - is 100% cope for his cowardice on the mountain. I wouldn't call that remorse either, but it's also not what I said. Which of the survivors wrote about it? That might be interesting to read.>Pointing a revolver at another climber previous to that?The past is a foreign country, isn't it? But, yeah, sure, the mutiny was in no small part a result of his leadership style.>disgraced climberThere's been an attempt by the various Aleister Crowley fan clubs to write him back into the history of mountaineering, with some success online at least. They're not exactly wrong. I guess it's the one thing about him that's interesting to most people that isn't sodomy, drug abuse, and declaring himself the Great Beast of the book of Revelations.Everything after 1905 just seems like he was in a spiral of decline, though. That's most of his occult publishing, incidentally.
his journey through the desert was him severing his connection with the divine and offering himself as a sacrifice to satan.
