I'm making this thread because lately there have been a lot of threads on this board promoting creationism and crapping all over atheism and evolution.Question: Why would a loving God create nature? You might say "Nature is beautiful!" ... but do you really believe that? In nature, animals kill each other constantly and there's also a lot of plants the look tasty but are actually poisonous. Also, our ancestors lived in nature but then they created civilization because living in nature is too hard.Why is evolution so hard to understand? We already know that nature is endlessly cruel. We already know that wild animals get weeded out for having certain traits that are genetic in origin. This is all part of evolution.
God is real >ButGod is also a sadist.Sorry you had to hear it from me.
>>41405361I think most people saw nature as kind of allien , but still beutifull on its own terms. I can't defend thier arguments as I am not one of them though.thier is still morality in nature , but its supposed to be wierd and stuff.
>>41405361Can I say a small Heresy? Your God doesn't love you, He only loves your Obedience. Jesus even said so!
>>41406356Jesus wasn't all loving hippie guy, he wanted obedience to the Father before all, it's true. He's your Lord. And you're his slave. He even call it like this without any hint of self consciousness, it's perfectly natural to him.
>>41405361Yeah sure, but evolution does not disprove god or whatever higher power. Where all this shit came from then?Theres probably a god, but not a kind or understanding one, it is experimenting with life. We are just for its entertainment, and the ones who dont do what it wants will suffer even moreAnd if the god is like that, I do not wish to honor such god
usualy ignore NOOB posys but thats bc YAHWEH the god of the MATERIAL is actualy LUCIFER yes i scried rhis yes uts also common sense yes he likes that we jnow. I wilm not elaborate any furyher
>>41405361it is not real.https://youtu.be/Td4qmV04jU0
>>41406476>"If you believe in official narrative you are no different from medieval peasants that believed dumbest shit">proceeds to spout some schizo babble
God is humanness on Uber divine steroids. Or rather, humans are turbo devolved husk gods. We are made in HIS image, remember? Everything a human is, God is 1000000x more. All the sadism and evil and bad and terrible, but also good, just, righteous and intelligent. God is all and perfect.
>>41405361To create something to respond to
>>41405361>In nature, animals kill each other constantly and there's also a lot of plants the look tasty but are actually poisonous. Also, our ancestors lived in nature but then they created civilization because living in nature is too hard.>Why is evolution so hard to understand? We already know that nature is endlessly cruel.Would you want a loving God to put you into a kindergarten or a false reality? Did your parents give you sheltered upbringing? Why do you find some animals cute and others less cute? Why is the act of killing bad from the perspective of immortal beings?
where does this idea come from that God and Jesus were pacifist hippies
>>41405361watch the replies of yahweh simps telling you how war is peace, how suffering is bliss and how all of it is because "he needs all of this to look upon himself" or something. Laughable.There is a consistent explanation, but in it there is no place for a loving creator. Face reality and seek justice, anon. Never accept submission.
>>41405361>Why would a loving God create nature?Because we want a place to feel like we have control.
>>41405361Ugh this is a lame argument.God isn’t real AND nature is beautiful. It’s not cruel, it’s perfectly fair.
>>41405361what if your premise is wrong and instead a loving god created a beautiful garden for all that - even after the appointed gardeners fucked off their responsibility entirely - persists despite the gardeners repeated rampant negligence
>>41405361- Life is a dream- Dreams start out fine then get complicated and fucked upAny questions?
>>41407034when you sleep you dream alone, when you wake we dream togther, do you have any weighty memes sun?(i actually do have a question how genuine are you)
>>41405361It simply doesn't care. It was a means to an end. Do you count all the microbes you kill on your way to work? Do you lament the dead cells that replicate to form your dynamic pattern? You can't. They're too irrelevant. Google The Monster Group. God is real and the closest you'll get to perceiving it is a lot of drugs or hard maths. Or both. Everything came from nothing, so nothing is more than something. But we can't experience nothing. Ergo, we're fucked. It's why we crave the void but fear it. Home is where the heart is, and we are lost.
>>41407048The point is God dreamed the world inside the machine but the signals in the machine are always decaying and inverting into the opposite of what they ought to be whether God likes it or not.
>>41407165nien, the signal decays as intended, the inversion is all man
>>41407165God is omnipotent, he/it can do do anything he/it wants in a dream. But I think God is neutral like Azathoth.
>>41406476>Muh Saturn Actually kill yourself.
>>41405361Fuck you gnosticfags, just because nature isn't all peace and harmony doesn't mean it isn't beautiful. You just ignore the vast goodness for the grimmer aspects and then bitch and moan like you always do>>41406356Stop speaking about shit you know nothing about. God loves all men, even the sinners. Obedience is important because if you don't follow God then you are showing that you do not like what God provides, and He isn't evil so He isn't going to force you against your will to accept what He gives you. You forge your own path, His love precisely is what leads to men having the free will to choose>>41406476"Official narrative" is scientism you gnosticuckAlso "muh medieval peasants were all retards" is a myth promoted by modern academias which not even centrist scientists believe in anymore. People in the middle ages were actually quite wise, them not being literate is not the same as not being smart you complete clownBut what can you expect from a tool who believes in moloch being anything more than a filthy, worthless, vile demon trying to take credit for what God created>>41406538I love it when you read into something like Plato's cave in a completely unintended way. If you genuinely think Plato would believe in what you do you are a loon>>41406642From people who haven't ever read the Bible and make judgements based on strawmen because they can't accept truth>>41406653Case in point. Literally nobody says that war is peace or suffering is bliss. In fact Christ suffered a horrible death and rejection, and he told his followers to pick up their crosses and follow him, to accept that life IS about suffering at points, but that beauty and love triumph over evil and death>>41407118Druggies trying to excuse their addiction is the funniest shit ever. Also by "hard math" I presume you mean completely insane concepts that make zero sense and are also created by druggies, like muh parallel universes and whatnot
>>41405361god needs your foreskin to survive
People mistake coddling for love then are confused when the divine doesn't wipe their ass and burp them and solve every and all problems and challenges for them.
>>41405361Mom and dad love differently. Mom is supposed to shelter you while dad is supposed to teach you to be strong. Trials make you strong. Dad isn't supposed to handle your adversity for you. He is supposed to protect you only from the things you can't handle.
>if God real then why bad thing happen?I remember when I was 14 and fucking retarded
>>41407465Pharmakon existed generations before your dry axe wound, I don't have to justify thousands of years of evidence provided by better men than you will ever dream of being. Kill yourself.
>>41405361Every lesson in reality compounds upon itself.Do you really want humans to shoulder the responsibility of having to learn literally everything themselves?Covid was a good teacher.Wash your hands.
>>41405361There is a missing link between apes and Humans that evolution can’t explain.No matter how you put it, a monkey is not a human and will not be a million years from now.The fossils that we found of old Homo Sapiens are… monkeys. That’s it. If you wish to believe “history” so be it, but history as we know it is fake. A better take is that God took the monkey and made humans (like some alien arriving on Earth)Even the take from the Bible taken literally is less ridiculous than yours.Whatever it it, it’s really epic. Something more like God
>>41405361Another picrel for you
>>41410755Did God have to learn and grow?
>>41410815Why do you think reality exists in the first place?
>>41410046>God is real and he is my DADDY !!! :DI remember when I was 10 and fucking retarded.
>>41410046>>41410844Boys! Boys! You're both still completely retarded! Be kind to each other.
>>41407465brother, truly you are wise
>>41407783>Why don't you want to play in my rube goldberg contraption???>BUT I PURPOSE BUILT IT FOR YOU TO SUF- LEARN AND GROW IN!!>STOP THINKING ABOUT DOING THINGS I DONT WANT YOU TO DO>YOU ARE TRAPPED WITHIN THE BARRIERS OF REALITY AND NATURE>DO NOT RESIST
Cruelty cannot exist in a creature that is not malicious. Whats is malicious, if not violence with the intention not of satiating hunger, not of mating competition, nor the land they occur upon, nor a place to sleep, or drink.But the act of hurt, for self satisfaction. For pleasure. Nature contains this not.
>>41405361creation was fucked from the start of the universe until now. God is not perfect. It's that simple. Every religion that claimed he was lied to you and since they lied it ofc makes no sense and why you asked questions. You can fuck up at large scales? yeah look at the dickheads on earth.. look at our galactic collision history .. earth.. Oh shit there's whole galaxies working in the opposite direction as others and they violently collide with galaxies and try to drag them into the abyss? and its been like that since the start?? and light can interact with light and create all this dogshit w/o the suffering? then wtf happened creator? And fuck faces can lie and gog/magog 100s of millions and covince people they know but be lying? for 1000s of years? Ah, NOW YOU HAVE begun a TRUE journey
>>41405361https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-archon-abandonment-theodicy?utm_source=publication-search
>>41412118>https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-archon-abandonment-theodicy?utm_source=publication-searchdumb reinforncement horseshit. The universe has TOO many galaxies .. galaxies spun in opposite direction since the start. Violent collisions, confusion, lies are guaranteed in the physics. God made other multiverses that aren't fucked up like this? cool, take us out and put us in it like one transfers vms. This is all possible within even physics frameworks IN the universe much less him outside. Why so many fucking galaxies in one universe if you can't directly manage them properly and manage your staff? you let your staff members hide their fucks up too? in a layer cake all the way down to retarded humans then have the physics so that shit weighs heavier in it? gtfo here man. it's easier to argue, see, argue against this and every dumbass scenario that the universe et large is fucked and its hidden from us the extent of. Not for any good fuck reason. And since there's a chain of dickheads in the abrahamic story that this cock sucker who wrote the blog actually intended to patch up.. WHY THE fuck have none of the bone heads up and down jacob's ladder.. the trillions of galaxies, or own done fuck for millions .. billions (galactic collison) and 100s of thousands.. humanity fucked existence on earth? because they FUCKED up and the only people who fix it are those who return to light beyond this whole universe. Truth is not running around in trillion of jew hollywood tier matrix fuck box galaxies doing stupid shit.. that is an elaborate prison
>>41405361What kind of retarded question is this. You could have gone with the classic>"WHY GOD MAKE BAD THING"but you went with the literal natural world as if it's inherently bad. Are you the type of person that gets anxiety whenever you have to be outside of a city? this is the most reddit fucking post I've ever seen, even more than the usual things people on 4chan call reddit.
>>41405361What? You don't like nature?
>>41405361>"Nature is beautiful!"Nature is so lame once your realize whay it really is. Flowers may look beautiful, but they are nothing more than x shape with colour. Like, many flowers are like a penragram with a pink colour or whatever colour and each leaf is a triangle and together they form a pentagram with forms the flower you think it's beautiful. But lo and behold. The pentagram contains the flower and it is a symbol of the demiurge, it is one of his seals. So you will realize that nature is an illusion, it's beauty is an illusion created to make your more confortable with your prison. You will think that your prison is beautiful. But you are still contemplating a pentagram, symbol of your slavery, our slavery. Once you realize that God uses the same patterns over and over again you will see how lazy He is. Like, he uses circles, and triangles, and squares and the golden ratio. God re uses the same patterns over and over again. I would say He has no creativity at all. But I guess that's his style and what makes him him.
>>41413610I forget to upload the pic related I wanted to use. See how the flower has a pentagram shape? There are flowers which use the hexagram shape. My point is that the demiurge is just reproducing geometrical forms and the way he does so makes you believe in his illusion. Don't fall for it. Nature is evil. Nature will destroy will. We must overcome nature in the sense that we must raise above it. Nature is a way that the demiurge uses to control us. We have or own nature and we must fight against it. Christians will agree with me. This they understand, that we must fight the evil influence of the demiurge. Chtistians have things backwards. They have God as the good guy and the serpent is evil, but actually is the opposite. God is the evil one who traps us in this earthly prison of flesh and the serpent was trying to free us and make us think for ourselves, gnosis. So they will get amazed by the demiurge's creation and he will fool them into believing that he is good because he created some flowers with a good smell, but they forget the demiurge is slowly killing them and using their energy, the divine spark inside us.
>>41405361What if it was illusiory and in timeline a the serpent gets food, abd in tineline be the mouse escapes?
>>41405361>IF I SIN WERE GAMING>IF YOU SIN I WILL DESTROY YOU
>>41410853you need to be 18 to post on this website
