I hereby Invite all of knowledge equal or greater than my own, to partake on this thread.https://mega.nz/folder/Ns9mhDSC#iKKxSnq5EoG_GxYLeylrSg/folder/o1UE0ZwKLet me hear all your experiences, self discovery, travels, patterning successes.Keep the thread on rails tho, I appreciate it.
Has anyone managed to manifest anything with patterning?
>>41407156external programs dont open doors for 9you0
When you talk to "non physical beings" while in focus 12, do you understand their replies? I've been trying for weeks but all I receive as a reply is always just very big vibrations, no picture, no feeling, nothing I can understand. It happens every time though, I ask, whether with thought or feeling or picture or even words, then I feel a very big vibration for a few seconds.I did again the first "non verbal communication" tape yesterday, I will do again the second one tonight, but I don't expect it to solve the problem.Several times I told them that I could not understand their language and asked them to help me understand, but again, I only received big vibrations.
>>41407156Done gateway tapes for a while, then moved on to doing automatic writing. Shits unreal, did some for my family and found information about their past that nobody did.To answer your question though, with the gateway tapes - picturing yourself going into a box (in my experience, a wooden chest like you put blankets in) and stepping out as an astral being, can be used for astral projection. I do reccomend trying automatic writing.Make sure you're safe by doing a prayer before hand, only inviting in entities that are good. Make sure you have a reasonable karmic balance, if you're significantly in karmic debt you might meet some unfriendly entities. I did a writing to my spirit guide about it and he explained heaps.
>>41407291Just did that tape again, its was going great, but I kind "lost" conscious halfway, not sure if you can call it sleep.But its been happening to me quite a lot, I great success experiencing everything at first, but now I always seems to doze off easily, even re-listening to early lessons.Any trick to that?
>>41407510>Make sure you're safe by doing a prayer before hand, only inviting in entities that are good. Make sure you have a reasonable karmic balance, if you're significantly in karmic debt you might meet some unfriendly entities.How do you even know that?That said, I do believe I have a pure karmic energy, people always refer to me as a being of light. Old friends I had who were sort into occult said that I have a strong aura.>>41407496>non physical beingsDoes that mean actual spirits, or can it can be anyone who technically isn't physical in the dream world? I'm not that far yet.But speaking of feeling the presence of a being, I've had that same pulsating vibration feeling, and I knew I was in the presence of something.It happened a few times, once I knew something was not human and was possibly evil, another I felt like actual contact didn't feel threatened, and a few others I actually felt the presence of people I knew.What does it mean you feel the presence of someone, you're 100% sure its the person there, right with you?
>>41407550starting a thread about my automatic writing experience, give it a read once its populated. explains a lot.>>41407553
>>41407563Thanks, you mean explain some of these questions I got?What is automatic writing by the way?
>>41407630automatic writing is basically getting yourself into a meditative state, then writing writing down whatever comes into your head. Some people do it with pen and paper, i do it with a notepad on my computer. I close my eyes and just type after reading a question. Yep it covers a few questions you have regarding karmic balance etc. Worth a read regardless.
>>41407516Yes. I have found that when I get really high quality sleep I do significantly better with such endeavors. And we’re all sick of hearing it but> turn off all screens 2 hours before you go to bed and your sleep will kick assI have sprints when I do this and sprints when I do the late night tv/computer/phone shit and it really is one of the biggest differences in these unconventional endeavors
>>41407666>those digitsThanks anon, I appreciate it, I've read all of it. Regarding karma, how does one even know if they have good or bad karma?>I close my eyes and just type after reading a questionBy the amount of mistypes I do just regular writing, I feel like it would come out fully garbled.
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>>41407680This + drinking moderate amounts of caffeine in the late morning have really helped me reach flow states similar to when I've taken acid and been able to "predict" when extremely improbably things would happen just before they did. It isn't as strong but it's within the same field now rather than middling about trying to get anywhere.
>>41407496I did again the exercises, track 4x5 "non verbal communication 2", then 4x6 "Compoint 12", but I still only receive unintelligible vibrations as replies.What do you get as replies when you do?
Does it really matter what earphones you use?
>>41408059You’re talking dirty past my shaft and now I’m cumming so hard the spunk is flying out of your nostrils.
>>41407156Started messing with these again yesterday after a few months of inactivity. Never got as far as I'd have liked (only up to focus 10,) but a few unusual things have happened in these past two sessions. Hopefully I could get some insight from someone more experienced who could help me make some sense of this.Yesterday I had my first vivid hallucination, or vision, whatever you'd call it. You know, the kind where you're seeing something clearly in front of you, as if you're dreaming. Nothing major. It was a dark blue sky, though it looked cartoony, similar to this one drawing Hermeticists and Gnostics really like. I'm not sure for how long, but initially I just viewed it without thinking anything of it. I must've psyched myself out because as soon as I realized what was going on, a dark circle began to close around one of the clouds which then turned into a sheep (or something, not really sure,) who stared at me as the circle closed around it, then it was all gone and replaced by the dark backs of my eyelids again.Second incident was this evening. I think I may have fucked up a little bit. I'm in focus 10, everything's chill and dandy, then my vision starts to fill with light, just pure white. At first I assumed my computer monitor had come on somehow (I'm doing this in a dark room,) but when I opened my eyes it hadn't come on, my room was pitch black. I immediately shut my eyes again but by then the light had already begun to disperse and in a few seconds was gone. Throughout the rest of the session I felt restless as fuck, and by the end, the part where Monroe's counting you down to return to focus 1, I could barely hold still. By 5 it felt as if I'd explode out of my own skin. Very strange.
>>41411655One more thing to add, last night I prayed for the first time in quite awhile before bed. It might've been the first time I've said a genuine prayer since childhood. During my session this evening I clearly saw a burning cross. It was very small, but unmistakably a cross. This was some time before my vision went white and I opened my eyes.
>>41411655>>41411683Well in the faq they do say the white light is like having a visage of god or something, not going into the specifics of religion tho.
>>41412057Good omen. I'll take it.
I've tried hard to do these but never seem to have had an OBE or anything super crazy. I've definitely felt some odd vibrations and one that was really strong in my spine. But I never get or understand answers or had anything really deep. I tried the questions tapes and often try to get to focus 12 but not much comes of it. I find it hard to discern between my own thoughts and anything not me. I try so hard and never get why I fail. I keep trying to put those worries n my conversion box but again it doesn't help. I'm not even sure if I'm getting into focus 10. To me it just feels like I'm kind of relaxed, not really separated from my body when I'm in it.
Question; can I put everything around me in the box or is that bad? Is it only supposed to be me?
>>41412844SameYet the other day I spontaneously had what seemed like a projection while falling in and out of sleep, without intention. All I want in life is to be supernatural or have supernatural experiences, is that so much to ask for? Why do others get it so easily?
>>41407156So cool
I woke up a few days ago but right before I opened my eyes I saw this gateway swirly hurricane like pattern in my eyes, it was like only for a second but I seen it perfectly, very strange stuff I feel is going on with our brains.
>>41412844>>41413527How much have you guys "tried"? Just curious.
>>41413539I've done every tape up to Odyssey. I've done stuff like Focus 10 intro and advanced quite a few times. I do like the unguided Original Odyssey, that's where I felt that feeling in my spine. The issue I feel is I'm just never sure if I've gotten it or not. Was what I felt what I'm supposed to or was it lacking. I never know if I should repeat a tap to learn it properly or just move on.
>>41413539I'm stuck at Focus 10 because advancing didn't render extra sensations or states so I thought I was doing it wrong and remained at Focus 10 to master it. Plus I kinda like the sounds at Focus 10 they feel meaningful I just gotta align with itBut the projection I mentioned came after a couple of months of doing nothing and not trying anymore. I had even tried the method on Reddit where a lot of people reported success with slightly raising their head just a little as soon as they woke up. But I can't bring myself to remember it for the life of me.+ I tend to jolt awake instead of drifting out of sleep
>>41412844anon, when you have any thoughts intrude in your meditative state, I find it works best to acknowledge them, not try to shut them out. otherwise, the thoughts will keep pinging back to you. it's ok to have the thoughts arrive, it won't ruin the meditation or anything, just don't ignore them, otherwise they will keep returning. hope this helps, don't give up.
> go for the patterning tape again as I slept through it last time> again zone out for the last points, get back conscious by the end> those few points which happens to be most important for what I'm aiming right now> which has been happening every time in the last week I've listened to the tapesI just went awww fuck no, I'm gonna brute force this... and apparently it workedWhich by the way, I wasn't having the problem at all last week, the only two things I can only imagine could affect it, first getting and somewhat having trouble breathing, and two, cooming after quite a decent period of abstinence.Also listened to coloured breathing right after (which I also have slept through first time I've heard), but this time kept my legs bend in a near 90°, turns out this worked quite well, didn't bother me at all and managed to make my lower back more comfortable (because I have a very flat bed).But this is it bros, we gonna make it. Anyway good experiences with patterning btw?
>>41414364how do you brute force it? I find myself zoning out as well. Or on the contrary, focusing too much on relaxing that I tense my body rofl
>>41407156>gayway tapesthat shit doesn't work and no amount of ciashills will make me think otherwise.smoking a fucking cigar before bed or using nicotine strips will give you the same result as those "tapes"
>>41407156I'm kind of tempted to try AP etc. but I feel like it's a satanic ploy meant to get me to leave my body so that a demon can take it over.
>>41414406I just rewind and did it again, from the breathing on wards, along with the the usual relaxation I just keep saying "focus" in my mind.That tape in particular feels like goes by way too fast, when it comes to F12 I'm barely fully into F10 yet, but as the exercise goes on, I do go deeper as well. One thing that helps is making it louder a click or two, or doing it far from a time where you usually get sleepy, or after actual sleep like WBTB.Or I don't know, maybe drifting off at first was just the little shut eye I needed to keep focus. I do find like these sessions do make you feel rested, body at least. On the other hand maybe its taxing on the mind. And again I think actual gooning may spend your "awareness" power or something like that.I also happen to come from /loa/ so getting into SATS is something I strive for, and sometimes its hard to find the proper schedule where you can really get into that sweet spot, between sleeping early enough, WBTB and still getting to doze off afterwards.
What ruins it for me is the second they say "Now in focus 10." It always startles me even if i keep the volume low.
the first time i did gateway tapes, i felt dramatic vibrational shift and went unconscious. when i opened my eyes there was an incredibly bright light above my apartment. i could see it reflected in the tall building across the street. it stayed there for several minutes, slowly moving to the west and eventually fading away. i used binoculars to look out at the building, and i saw several people standing outside looking up at it.Btw, it was not the moon. It was a light that never reappeared any other night
>>41414772thissssI literally edited and cut out the part when he talks because it pulls me out of everything
>>41407516They induce a state similar to hypnosis. And they train you to be more susceptible to it. You can develop a method to pull yourself out. I usually just say "1 2 3 4 5, eyes open wide awake" to pull myself out. If you dont want to come completely out of it so that the tapes keep working then just come up with a personal cue that brings you up but not completely out. "1 2 3 4 5 relaxed conscious and in a trance"
>>41414975 decided to include a photo of the light i saw. at first, it was extremely bright, and clearly visible, reflected in the centre of the building. it took me a few minutes to realise this wasn't the moon, though, because i realised it was moving slowly. But by the time i took a photo, it had almost disappeared.
>>41414772>>41414985lol, it kinda startles me too, often before I've actually counted to 10. But not enough to pull me out. I think it weren't for that I would probably get to sleep much sooner too.>>41414996I get I'm in a trance, not actually sleeping, but sort of out of it, or like clicking like they said. I wonder whats the effectiveness of that though, for something like patterning where you specifically should be aware, would my unconscious be focusing on something?Anyway, I would to know what people's experience with this >>41407291
>>41415034that's wild, the vibrations are a form of communication it seems
>>41415060Yeah, all I could think is that an orb sensed my vibrational pattern and came to investigate.It reminds me of people who say you can call upon orbs by just going outside at night and asking them to show up.To expand a bit, this was my first time trying the gateway tapes, and at that time, I was absolutely convinced it would be a groundbreaking experience. I was totally ready to have my mind blown, and from the moment I hit play, I was totally enchanted by the whole experience, with chills through my body. I can only assume you need to bring a certain enthusiasm to the experience, as they say, of you have doubts, youll have much less success.
Might need some advice here. I have tried the tapes several times, however never beyond focus 10. I am not even sure if I have reached the 10 state or if that was just gaslighting myself. I face two major problems:1) I either zone out or fall asleep completely, similar to what >>41407516 described.2) If I manage to push through and stay awake, I get itchy. And I don't mean like I gotta scratch my nose itchy, but my whole body feels intensely itchy and I can barely hold still while the tape plays. No vibrations or visions or anything, just itch.Also, what setup do you anons use for the tapes? I think noise cancelling headphones aren't recommended, right? Also I avoid bluetooth headphones and turn on airplane mode on my listening device (laptop or tablet mostly) cause I fear these frequencies so close to me could interfere ;_; TLDR Anyone else fall asleep or are itchy or am I too retarded for the tapes?
>>41415079Intriguing, I do 100% believe this stuff but I don't exactly go with the enthusiasm. Also I think the vibration is you feeling their presence trying to communicate, not you.I did have a experience like that way back, and it was such a case where I felt the presence of something, not sure what though.I already felt the presence in a few occasions, once I knew it was something not human and maybe not friendly, others I felt people I knew. Ever had that?>>41414985Speaking of which, in theory hemisync is pretty much just binaural tuning, with some sprinkle added on top, to help guide you through. So in theory one could just use actual binaurals to help you get into state if you don't need the guided part.Like this link for example, anyone tried that?https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/pureBinauralBrainwaveGenerator.php
>>41415128I use exactly that, bluetooth noise cancelling headphones.For sleeping through I'm not sure as I'm just pushing through as well, but see >>41414749
>>41415128>just itch.I don't get an itch but I often feel all these annoying things. I feel like my back is all bent when I know its not. I feel a kind of pressure on my body as if I was clenching it.Whenever I do any of the more OBE focused tapes and they say to rise up I can't help but slightly move my real body and when I notice it breaks my entire focus. Its like I'm just not relaxing enough, but how do I "relax harder".
>>41407156interesting
>>41415191>bluetooth noise cancelling headphonesAnd it works? Are these high quality ones or cheap ones?I usually read that one must not use bluetooth headphones for the gateway tapes because they compress data in mp3 before transmission, and same with noise cancelling, it alters the waves.
In order to save this thread from dying I'll share the funniest hallucination I ever had with the tapes, it was short but epic : It was at night in front of a sort of night club, a cool 1970's car arrives and out of it comes the grandpa from Hey Arnold, dressed as a caricatural pimp, he enters the club like a star then starts to dance to disco. I laugh my ass off every time I remember it.
