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dropping this so people don't have to slog through the paolucci word salad

Satan said we are gods to decieve Adam/eve humanity. Am I going to hell for believing the law? I know the law works

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No idea where to ask this since the other UL/oneirosophy stuff is dead.

Paolucci has made different appearances of Totality/FL/LK/OCB over time, but has anyone made their own interpretation? Sort of "make your own god" for better personalization? One of its attributes is infinitely flexible, so this would surely make sense.

I'm the proof you can manifest an SP from lack, and believing/feeling it's done is not required. Nor even the intent.

I met a girl when I was in college, incredible love between us, then we split for reasons that were outside of us. I always missed her since the break up and I think she missed me too. Years went by, and I started thinking more and more about her, every night before I sleep I imagined her in my arms it was very vivid. I did it without knowing about LoA, and I remember I was in a state of lack while doing it. I did it because it was comforting me when I felt her in my arms, I didn't have the intent to make her come back, it was just a pleasant feeling.
I did this for a few weeks and then got busy with my life, telling myself it's better to forget her.

Then 7 years later she sent me an email out of nowhere telling me she missed me a lot.

How can you explain that?
In fact I still know I didnt manifest her, I think it was just random, as life is most of the time or it was just programmed to happen for me in my life by God.

Is it possible to manifest winning lottery numbers?

>>41429427
If anything this is a proof that you can't manifest from lack. You got a mere email after 7 years and you consider it success? Are you trolling?

>>41429485
Yes, you can read multiple success stories of lottery winners saying they manifested their win.

>>41429086
where the rick and morty method at??

Is there anyway to change one’s chin/jaw with just manifestation, no surgery. I’m thinking i need a miracle at this point. I shattered my jaw after a psychotic episode after jumping off a radio tower. I had very nice proportions in my face before but now after the surgery it seems like my face is bloated. Anyone have any success? I’m thinking it’s sort of like growing taller just applied to your face in the sense that there is a physical change in bone. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also I’ve manifested many things but this I’m having trouble with.

So have you achieved your every desires yet?

>>41429086
I have a few doubts.
I want to manifest travelling the world with my girlfriend, having basically the freedom to be travelling with her. How do i imagine this, and how do I "feel" this state.
I understand that to feel it as truth is not just, feeling, its acceptance or pretending, like pretending you have a car, and feeling it.
I keep feeling like I dont have it, and I do understand you are supposed to disregard the 3D, and just trust it, but, how? Just make a decision? How do I know if Im doing it right, do I need to "feel" it everytime? And how the fuck do I go about feeling, the idea of travelling abroad with my gf, I want to sustain this travel for a long while, I don't understand what scene to come up with, and how to imply correctly?

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>>41429911
See: >>41429112

>>41429639
>I’m thinking it’s sort of like growing taller

has anyone ever manifested growing taller (after 22) here? i doubt.

i need to manifest growing taller to 6'4" and growing my dick to 8 inches.

How do I manifest a desired outcome on a time crunch? I'm waiting for a response on the conclusion on some business and right now I can't know if it's gonna be in my favor or not, sorta the Schrodinger situation, so how do I nanifest a response quickly and get what I want? The work was already done, it's not like I want something out of thin air

>>41430326
Seconding this, I want to start today

>>41430326
>>41430338
Just do it. Stop wondering how to do it and just do it.

>>41430343
Do what nigga, itt we ask questions because we need answers
Instead of asking how to manifest something that's not even materialized, I'm asking how to quickly get the better outcome which is one of 2 possible outcomes.

>>41429086
Unironically quit having fun. The more fun that is had in the present, increases the suffering in the future. The vengeance of those incapable of leisure will wax hot soon.

>>41429086
>want to affirm money
>stock market and crypto crashes
bros...

>>41431167
Literally buy the dip. BTC always crashes way down and then rises to all-time highs.

>>41429112
This is not enough to understand UL or to manifest, we unfortunately have to go through JP's schizo slog or read other monism books. No easy way for this abstract stuff.

>>41429639
Yeah there are many options, one being revision, like you never fell from that tower. Another one is commanding as UL for your desired mandible. Know this, there is no *growing taller* or *getting more bone*, all change/bone/vessel/body exists NOW, so you can instantly get from bad chin to perfect chin, from 4 foot to 6 foot etc. Once you realize this world is fake and illusionary, it becomes simple

Hi,
I'm doing sats for healing, I imagine a scene where it's done, but I need some help for one thing please : I'd like this healing to happen naturally, no meds no surgery etc, just naturally by itself. How could I specify this in the scene ? I don't know how to do it.
I know the "how" part of manifestation is none of our business, but sometimes there are ways in which we don't want it to happen, even if the result is the one imagined.
For a gf I dont care about the bridge of incidents, but for healing it matters to me.
Thanks

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>>41429086
Coming here to share substances against general LoA (Creation is finished) practice. If one is consuming these substances then one is not believing that Creation is finished.

Nicotine
An important one to point out. Even pure nicotine is invalid in the LoA practice, let alone smoking it. It disrupts the alpha mental state that accesses potentials. I have extensive testing backing up my claim. Its anxiolytic effect lowers cognition, especially spatial reasoning(e.g. chess, geometry practice, driving), because the calming effect is the desensitization of nicotinic receptors. A slow taper off is strongly recommended.

Caffeine
Especially chronic caffeine, which is how most people consume it. It's okay to drink a Good caffeine drink or take a small tablet once in a while, but it has 0 calories itself, it tricks the body to think it's not tired. This is why the crash lasts long and feels depressing. Half the dose each day until you reach Zero mg caffeine.

Nearly all illegal drugs except(with plenty of risk) the occasional lsd/mushroom. My experience only includes lsd, it has a lasting effect for months where my creative power and sleep were better, but I don't know the risks, and I suspect they exist. Cannabis will absolutely destroy you slowly. The thc mimics a signal your body produces when it is starving(thus the hunger). That signal reduces resource usage. Like caffeine, once in a while it is fine, but worse than caffeine it will destroy you from the inside out rather quickly without making you any more productive. Cannabis is Not a new drug.

Good substance for LoA practice, the gold standard:

Low ABV (under 10%) Alcohol
It will help you reach a state of flow. It quickly gets off your system. It benefits your cardiovascular system, it has calories(it's a meal). Avoid excess carbonation. Avoid drinking it for euphoria, this is what leads to alcoholism. Instead consume it for the flow state.

This is sorcery: scientists can now reconstruct images from people's imagination

https://amitzalcher.github.io/Brain-IT/

anyone effectively revise the past?

>>41431792
I'm curious what the reason is for all the gender swaps from the pictures with people in them.

>>41429427
>Then 7 years later she sent me an email out of nowhere telling me she missed me a lot.
Hey anon you copy pasted my message I posted here a few months ago. No problem, it made me smile recognizing it :)
Yeah it took 7 years, maybe because I wasn't aware of LoA back in time.
After that we lived a passionate love story, and had to split again.
Now it's been 2 years I tried to make her contact me, aanf even if this time I know about LoA I had no success and abandoned.
The fact she came back after 7 years was a pure random event back on time.
I stopped believing we have power on the events that happen in our lives.
I still come back here from time to time to see if people get results but noone so far made me change my mind.

One of the most dangerous psyops possible. Maximum cope with a potential to break your psyche and make you an actual schizophrenic

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>>41431885
>noone so far made me change my mind.
What exactly did Noone do that made you change your mind?

>>41429486
NTA, I was the one who posted the message he posted here today.
I was not trolling it was just my experience and yeah I didn't manifest shit, it happened randomly like it happens for many people with their ex coming back after some time. There were no link between my imagination amd the event, even if I used to believe this back in time

>>41431758
>Nicotine
>An important one to point out. Even pure nicotine is invalid in the LoA practice, let alone smoking it. It disrupts the alpha mental state that accesses potentials
Nicotine is one of the best stuff against neurodegenerative diseases like parkinson etc.
Maybe not for manifesting, dont know, but to treat some conditions like alzheimer it's the best shit out there.

Tell me some world event to manifest. Something based.

The russian loa thread is very good. Even the examples in their OP are better than ours.
Russian people rock.

https://2ch.life/mg/res/688602.html

>>41431938
Doesn't matter for us since you will manifest the event in your own reality, not ours, so we won't be able to see what you did.
That's why you can't prove LoA to others.
And it's very convenient. Lol

>>41431956
There's only one reality, the real reality.

>>41432011
Everyone has is own reality

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>>41431938
>Tell me some world event to manifest. Something based.
Worldwide revolution. History books will call it the Great Flush.

>>41431946
Just read all the comments, same shit like here. Lot of theory and writing, only few people have results. People not understanding UL and calling it schizo.

>imagination creates reality

why haven't I and likely half the world and especially pajeets have fucked jennifer lawrence yet kek

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>just do SATS bro that's my secret

What is the best way to use envy and hate as fuel to manifest? I know that these emotions can be powerful fuel but I am not quite sure on the best way to utilize them for the desired change. No I can't use it them as motivation to simply better myself, as bettering myself has nothing to do with what I want.

>>41431928
It's because it upregulates cholinergic receptors, while desensitizing them, and this cascades to upregulation of the sympathetic neurons, including dopamine, thus parkinson doesn't happen. But you can get the same protection from not ejaculating, an act that causes the loss of human lecithin, and doing exercise. This avoids the desensitization, the feeling of retarded calmness, while making your body stronger. If you play chess and start taking nicotine chronically your rating goes down, no one wants that. Every muscle contraction involves the use of acetylcholine, when you have a meal you shoot up endogenously the same nicotinic receptors (which is why hunger comes so strong after quitting), along with others such as muscarinic receptors. There is absolutely no need for nicotine, it burns through your body resources after only a week, it's a stimulant.

>>41430326
>>41430413
Just imagine the outcome where it was positive

>>41431167
>>41431216
Same, lets manifest it coming back hard this Saturday

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>>41431758
>>41432511
>illegal drugs
yeah makes sense
>alcohol
a little surprising, tho I guess that leaves beer out too, pretty much limited to wine then
>caffeine
Not entirely surprising, though I think in my ADHD system, caffeine acts more as calming element, it even leaves me sleepy at times
>nicotine
now that's a bummer, I really "like" smoking, that would explain a few things tho, I do have the tendency to binge a bit much when I have too much time at home

That being said though, how exactly these (and mainly nicotine) affect LoA? Genuine question.

>>41431708
An easy way would be you visualize telling someone how you recovered naturally without medical intervention. May be less or more effective depending on how it makes you feel

>>41431758
What are some of the other negative aspects of cannabis if you are able to get the artificial hunger under control?

help guys i'm thirty and my life sucks. i live in a small town and have no social life, and i don't know where i would fit in and realistically be able to have a social life. it makes it very hard to focus on imagining a better future when your life is so bad. it's hard to even imagine a good one that i would want and then believe in it because of how much shit sucks now. like i can't spend all day doing sats and whenever i'm not coping i feel very lonely and dead inside

>>41429086
I don't understand why you retard insist on keeping Universal Line on the OP when you made perfectly clear that no one is allowed to discuss anything about it on this place. Make up your mind, unless is rotten beyond repair from so much loa cope.
>>41429112
As the other poster said, this image is not enough to understand UL, let alone reality as a whole from the perspective of being ONE. You have to get with the text and understand it's ideas, which is immensely simple if you're not stuck in a dogma. But unfortunately, you stupid retards are the most idiotic dogmatic cultist i have ever came across for this, so you reap what you sow. Even the normie redditor can understand Paolucci (which is actually easy to understand, the other poster is also a moron that never ever checked truly UL info for himself and learn about life from some loser anon), see here: https://old.reddit.com/r/lawofattraction/comments/8gqs1w/the_truman_show_and_universal_line/

Understanding UL is easy, fuck, the thing that John tries to explain is the easiest thing to ever get for every day living period. Alternatively, TriumphantGeorge also explained it in detail in another way. At this point, the retard who have trouble manifesting anything or understanding reality with that fact in mind is just because he hates himself and decide against his own self preservation. There is no other explanation of why 4chan of all goddamn places is so adamant against UL, or any Non Dualistic school of thought for manifestation. Neville is actually, also, better understood trought non dualism, and thanks to John material, it now makes sense, as you can KNOW that you're god instead of being stuck in cuck wishful thinking.

>>41429248
Oneirosophy is not dead. It actually evolved, and it's going strong. See the last thread and find us, i left a clue there. I will answer everything in "that other place".

>>41434162
(last /one/ thread i mean, check the archives)

>>41434087
This thread doesn't have mods, you can discuss whatever you want, and ignore anyone who complains. I for one would welcome more ideas in /loa/ or if it was just a /man/ general

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>>41434196
They banned me three times for talking about UL already. Not that i care, but then what's the point? What use have discussion now if everything boils down to a piss measuring contest instead of try to understand and foster ideas beyond retarded methods. There is better discussion somewhere. Otherwise, you're stuck with geniuses like this piece of work: >>41431899

"Waah waaah it's government fault that i don't get laid waah", give me a break nigger, you only talk about yourself.

>>41434087
I've read UL and I have some trouble with it. one time it all makes sense, then another time when i try reading again I get stuck at basic questions, i have these inner contradictions like just because it's timeless/spaceless doesnt mean it contains everything, then the black void referencing portraits why cant the black void be infinite why must it have portraits. And many more conflicts as I read it and try understanding it more. I think you need some baseline IQ to get UL, like at least 110+, I must hover around 95-100 based on my success in school and understanding UL.

>>41434282
Eh, fuck it, we're already here, i give it a shot.

>I think you need some baseline IQ to get UL, like at least 110+

This is a rule you just made. On the spot. Me and some other brainlet thirdworlder just like myself got down UL perfectly fine and we're doing great. This is just a cope, straight down. Paolucci is something that even a child could get (he actually have taught how to illustrate UL to children before, when assisting parents in personal transformation). You have to stop being retarded, or to put it in more practical terms: You have to decide to stop being retarded. The problem i have with this place is that they don't actually try to understand UL, they see other anon opinion saying that "muuh complicated muuh schizo pedophile muuuh images" and roll with it, the same with Neville himself, this is how truth get lost along the way. Here's a pro tip: Life is a larp, you are not even the person you are impersonating right now, so you have to actually accept that manifestation is true and that everything here right now always and forever is and always has been and will be a personal dream of yours. Once you actually stop coping and stop going along with the people on this general, everything falls into place by it's own: Your understanding, your return, everything. Problems solve themselves when you stop piting yourself against life. This is not an advice, it's just simple perspective, i have nothing to prove, you simply decide for yourself how everything will go down in the end. That's why people are so pissed off against George, Oneirosophy and Paolucci, because non duality all the way is becoming a mirror of this world, thus, hating the lesson he try to share with you is hating yourself.

Went a bit off the scope your message there, but fuck it, it gets the point across.

>>41434326
i've joined this general last year, I've known of UL since 2020 and I have read it many many times but it never clicks, I never get it no matter how much I read it or think on my own. Well there are third worlders w above average IQ, you're likely smarter than me, that's why you get it. I accept the entire idea tho, and I did many commands but never got any results with it.

>>41434266
Oh damn, didn't realize you get banned for this. I thought /x/ was good for free discussion, trolls and all, but if the mods themselves are shitting it up then yeah maybe I'll look for greener pastures.
We did have good. Threads early in 2025 though, didn't last long

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>>41434367
Are you even aware of what are you even doing?
>Well there are third worlders w above average IQ, you're likely smarter than me, that's why you get it.
Then i told you that you neigbor got it down.
>Well, then i suppose she's smartert than me, there are a lot of genious women alright.
Then i told you that your grandpa also got it right.
>Well he's a very knowledgeable person and...
Your mom, your little brother, your dog.
>Well...

When those excuses will end? What else do you need to get except that it's all you? What else is there to know? If this is your dream, you dream that you "need to get it", or dream that "i need to know this or that to get what i want", keep going strong in things that you are not even living instead of doing something about it. Endless stream of "i can't unless...". How it's possible that George or Cusp didn't need UL to understand who they were? To finally recognize the truth? Where's the excuse then?

Why just don't do this https://old.reddit.com/r/Oneirosophy/comments/2hesk3/just_decide/ ? Is literally all there is to it. Decide that you get it, decide that whatever happens or not you already have it because is your dream, it's present in imagination and thus it's possible just like anything else, as is the same structure. This is the truth, also, that's the true use of "will" in the end of the day: Of having a firm decision of controlling your own fate and not letting perception get a hold of you. Everything "wrong" that could happen is ultimately a direct product of poor self knowledge and rotten self concept. It's all about identity sense, as John would put it.

>>41434408
Go to the other place if you want to continue the party. Otherwise, well, enjoy what you have here i guess. I do use this place once in a while to make drills like im doing right now, it's a good round to put forth what i know, when i feel like it.

>>41434420
Well I don't think anything will work if I read UL over 100+ times and did 50+ sessions, I should have at least gotten something eh? If I put that same amount of work in the gym I would have had decent progress. It's only here where I put in the effort to understand it, to improve my self concept and shift into UL identity that nothing happens, it's as if I never read UL so there's no difference

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>>41434420
Also, for that stupid retard for whom i got banned last time, and every shitter that comes to manifestation and magic practice places just to shit on them: Your experiences is not worth cat piss, is not proof of anything. Why? Because everyone is right about their reality. So if you say that this is "a psy op" or that magic is not true, and whatever non sense, then you're completely right, as you're describing your own world and projecting all the time. You can't escape from what it is. Whenever you're a little puny human schizo conspiracy theorist, or a magician, it's all comes down to choice. Literally that's everything you need to know, that you decide, as you're ALWAYS right either way.

>>41434453
I don't care about your experience. Sorry man, but we're far from "well i did what this guy did and didn't worked for me, so lets just throw the baby with the bathtub". You can always try something else. If you don't get what that George post i linked is trying to say, then i don't know what to tell you. You already decided that
>it takes effort
>that you need to "improve self concept" instead of accepting what has always been
>that nothing happens
>that you need to "shift" before anything happens
And so on.

>If I put that same amount of work in the gym I would have had decent progress.
First, another imaginary hypothetical scenario, which is using imagination against yourself AGAIN. And second, you can always try something else. /r/WeirdWays and /r/Oneirosophy were places that explained the same principle in a different way. Everything works unless you decide it doesn't. Altought you can also decide that im wrong, that life sucks, and that i could just shut up and leave you guys alone coping for another couple of years, i couldn't care less. For everything you could know, posting messages here could be my "method".

>>41434367
Not him but I really wanted to make UL work precisely because I am too stupid and lazy to make LoA work. I really wanted to believe that I can shape reality into whatever I want, simply because I want it that way, with little to no technique or ritual required. Maybe I misunderstood the particular thing I read on it, but it seemed like it really was just as simple as proclaiming something.

>>41434453
Ah, yeah, also just another bit, while we're at it and i like to share what has worked for me: Try to get along with people that actually reason with your ideals. If you share the same sentiment and understanding of things that this general has placed for you, you will have a bad time all the way. There is a telegram LoA chat that has been coping for years, and the UL practitioners there keep telling the same thing, the truth, and they would refuse to listen and keep coping with the lesser understanding while wallowing in misery, and also kicking down on the people who try to help them. This is not even LoA related as such, because if you get along with the people that doesn't share the same ambition as you, you will always have a hard time with anything, this is the true "crab in the bucket" situation here, and that's one of the many reason why /one/ didn't stood a chance in this place, just look at the feedback it got.

You are not the first person confused by manifestation, and won't be the last, but it would help to think about the way you see the world. To stop being so fixated on the idea that there is anything outside yourself in your own reality and experience. This is what actually got me back on track. Non dualism, idealism, solipsism, it's all the same thing expressed differently: It all comes from within; not bounded on time or space. Nothing impede you to also act in privacy as you can decide things spontaneously. There is a difference between "believing" and wishing that this was all a dream of yours vs actually knowing that it's trully a dream or saying "fuck this noise" and going ahead with that regardless of what happens or not. I would say good luck, but you don't need luck, you need to do it, just do it.

>>41434494
Why is it that it's easy and effortless for you, but I have so many struggles? And it's not cause of doubt because I did it for 1 year straight just studying and commanding, following what the texts says, giving thumbs up to "it's not there" or "it's not working" as a way to manifest it. So it's not, having opposing commands that was the root cause of me not getting results.

>>41434564
It's literally that simple. I have no problem stating that everything imaginable it's possible, including
>i can imagine myself all of it being effortless so i can have it that way
because structurally speaking, you made the effort in the first place. You just have to pay attention to your experience to actually see it for yourself. Because that's the difference: Believing something in wishful thinking because some retard like myself stated it vs "I GOT IT, IT WAS ME ALL ALONG HOLY SHIT"

>>41434573
>Why is it that it's easy and effortless for you, but I have so many struggles?
Ask youself that dude. From your perspective i literally don't exist. I could be lying. Look, try this: Do the just decide thing but for deciding to know "what's going on". Or better yet, to decide that you don't need to know dogshit and deciding that it will be all right. This is literally everything, intent. Just keep going foward, you're already here anyway, there is nowhere else to go, nothing else to do. Again, the true meaning of will is just deciding and standing with that choice no matter what. In the bible, Jesus and his apostles faced an ranging stom while going on a fragile boat, the apostles were losing their shit, while Jesus was sleeping soundly. The apostles woke him up, and effortlessly, Jesus calmed the waters. This is the kind of mentality you need to have ultimately, specially if you're reaching a point where "nothing seems to work for me". You just do it, no matter if it works or not. Yeah, it sounds bizarre, but it's what it is, just refusing to handle your reality to anything else but you, and then, it just works, by pure dextiry. This can happen, it has the potential to happen, but again... your choice.

You know what's misleading? Telling you that it's not up to you. No, it is. This is all there is to it. Every lesson of life that holds true will tell you the same. It's all up to YOU.

>>41434573
It also help to have a worldview. I'm solipsistic so i just ignore things i don't like or don't agree with, it's all me, i legit threat myself as the center of the universe and it had worked decently outside so far, and perfectly inside. That's something else that the average LoAtard just doesn't get, that life is LEGIT a larp, and you just take up the role you like the most. So when you're falting it actually helps to remind (not "affirm", but REMEMBER): "All alone, no one else beside me, all my private dream, what am i doing?", in strong situations you can also lay down and letting the storm go by in agreement for everything to calm down, for the experience to stabilize, using the path of no resistance to work for you.

The average lo- no, almost every person on THIS SITE is a self defeated person that has arrested his own imagination and sense of wonder, and in a set of teachings in which imagination is the substance of reality and you have to accept that as a fact to be able to live it in the first place, what do you think will happen? It would obviously fuck you up, this is why this place is the way it is, because they deny the truth.

>>41434326

the issue I have with UL is that it's true, all true; I figured it all out on my own lol but the book itself is poorly written and explained. I actually think it works better on dumb or impressionable people because it really does suck

>>41434682
i wish you had a social media account i could friend you on. i need a friend in my life who kmows this

>>41434573

you never knew the things you were commanding were going to come to pass and expected it and stayed in the state of the wish fulfilled. you doubted the whole time. it's crazy you never once manifedted anything lolol. look at what you actually believe in and see how you keep manifesting that

>>41435012
Find me on tumblr: justaradicaldreamer

Message me and we could team up pretty nicely. Also go to the other place i gave away. Life always finds a way man, life is beautiful.

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>>41434988
>but the book itself is poorly written and explained.
Here's a random excerpt. I literally just opened a random page. What's so hard to get? Simple, secular language, direct message without beating around the bush ("everything is possible, go for it"), real world analogies that ties up explanations in a simple manner, and everything is traced back to "One-Thing", to WHO you are, to the mechanical facts. So again, elaborate, WHY you think is "poorly written and explained"?

>I actually think it works better on dumb or impressionable people because it really does suck
If i am so dumb or impressionable then why i didn't stick to the new ager sweet talking book deal and has to listen to John to actually verify for myself that, as a matter of fact, I AM GOD? No, i may be dumb, but i also don't lack common sense, i'm more "street smart" than anything. UL is about WHO, as you're god, that means that whatever you imagine, you can do also, as your imagination is the substance of reality itself, the amount of facts you have taken for granted so far: Acting on lesser identity is the reason why we're having this conversation in the first place. Also, /one/ did A FUCKING HELL OF A JOB to offer the UL alternative to get across the same lesson, and also, to understand UL while using TG and the others contributions as a clarification. Btw, read read read read all you want, you won't go far until you actually go for it. Get a worldview. Do things in your own volition. That's what i suggest.

>>41431885
>>41431904
ok, so I guess it's a success story after all if you did end up together. Weird that someone would re-post your story like that.

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This comment was so good.

>>41429623
I'll regret it, but dare I ask.... what's the rick and Morty method?

>>41435323
XD

>>41435256

from the beginning of the book he is glossing over his ideas rapidly. the most important part is rushed. when he talks about the spoon and the dimensions. it is like, I understand what he is attempting to say, but he's not explaining it clearly. he moved on immediately. This is bad teaching. he doesn't thoroughly explain what he's talking about. why do the spoon and the knife need dimension to define them? how does dimension define them? this is a problem I often run into when I am way smarter than somebody and trying to explain something I think is very simple - I realize that the person I am talking to is like ten levels of understanding beneath me and there is no simple way to explain it, and I am taking important context for granted when I try to explain. So I personally have to fill in the blanks with my own understanding to make this book make any sense and that's annoying for me to do because I am reading a book that says it explains everything but it does not and I have to use my brain and think about how dimensions define a knife and spoon and then fucking assume that what he's implying is what I understand but it seems kind of fucking stupid and like he's really doing a bad analogy. There are so many logical leaps he is making and you have to assume you know what he means because he is a bad teacher. I teach children to play drums and I am constantly breaking down the fundamental concepts into clearer and clearer ideas. Here it's stupid because I have to simply assume I know what bro is talking about because he is not clearly explaining. I try not to do that when I'm trying to learn because I'm trying to approach the material with humility.

What bro needed to do is explain what the spoon and knife would be without the dimensions and why they need dimensions. He thinks he is explaining and he is not explaining.

>>41435333
>from the beginning of the book he is glossing over his ideas rapidly. the most important part is rushed.
Citation needed.
>when he talks about the spoon and the dimensions. it is like, I understand what he is attempting to say, but he's not explaining it clearly.
Alright then, may you explain it yourself with your own analogies and metaphors? I could use an example here, it works better than an opinion when it comes to this.
>This is bad teaching.
How so? If the entire core of it is the truth, starting with the experience as it is, and then lead you to the actual self realization? I get what you're trying to say, but maybe that is not the correct way to put it. "Bad teachings" =/= poor explanations, this is why UL is so frowned upon here, it's all misunderstanding, rather than some lacking fundamental.
>he doesn't thoroughly explain what he's talking about.
You have to be kidding. This is outright a lie.
>why do the spoon and the knife need dimension to define them?
How you define a thing in space without dimension?
>how does dimension define them?
Ah well, right then, then look at my spoon! 8====D
>this is a problem I often run into when I am way smarter than somebody and trying to explain something I think is very simple
In contrast to...?
>I realize that the person I am talking to is like ten levels of understanding beneath me and there is no simple way to explain it
Life is your own dream. You can accomplish everything you can imagine and more. You just have to decide and commit to it, and it's all yours. <- That's was a simple explanation i came up with in a blink of an eye. Any trouble?
>So I personally have to fill in the blanks with my own understanding to make this book make any sense
Holy shit! Were you...LEARNING THINGS IN YOUR OWN? (The actual purpose of the material...)
>and that's annoying for me to do
XD This is the guy calling me dumb and impressionable alright

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>>41435333
>but it does not and I have to use my brain
Ooof. I may have found your problem. You're still thinking from materialistic perspective, still identifying yourself with so called conceptual limitations. "brains" attributed to any mental process is the same as the "subconscious mind": A mere fictional concept in this context. Change your worldview, UL, or nothing in magic will make sense if you're still clinging onto physicalism.
>then fucking assume that what he's implying is what I understand but it seems kind of fucking stupid and like he's really doing a bad analogy.
Make up your mind. Are you "smart enough" to get it or no? John stuff take you by the hand, and tell you before hand that he throws things at you because it has to be straight to the point to not waste anyone time. You say he's a bad teacher because he assume that you can think for yourself, and then you back pedal saying that he deems you dumb?
>There are so many logical leaps he is making and you have to assume
There are no place for assumptions of any kind, or uncertainty of any sort in UL, or any Non dualistic teaching for that matter. Why "assuming" when you can just know? Maybe there's some semantics arguing at play here but you get the point (I SUPPOSE). Besides, more than logic, i think Universal Line is all common sense. I even defy Paolucci on this, as logic is also imaginary: Nothing needs to make sense in a dream because you live in a world devoid of meaning, the content is hollow, as you assign meaning to everything, you even own precognition. It's your private dream after all.
> teach children to play drums and I am constantly breaking down the fundamental concepts into clearer and clearer ideas.
It can't get clearer than this, you have to be resisting to the material to not make it click.
> Here it's stupid because I have to simply assume I know what bro is talking
No.
>he is not clearly explaining
Nuh-uh.

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>>41435333
>What bro needed to do is explain what the spoon and knife would be without the dimensions and why they need dimensions. He thinks he is explaining and he is not explaining.
Why you can't answer that yourself? In my case, is because everything is dimensional. If you zoom up into the fork until nothing but pure chromium or whatever in the particles comes into view, where did the fork gone? He's explaining the nature of perception. Have you watched the movie antman? They get so tiny, so microscopically tiny that they enter a micro world beyond any conceivable measure. That's what's happening here: In this analogy, you only see so much, but taking a step back, you see the bigger picture, how perception and experience are not conceivable proof of anything, as what you are is beyond those things (including "not getting his info, or anything else for that matter"). I again bring George and Cusp into discussion because we are talking to people who probably never came in contact with John material, and the conclusion was the same: It's all you nigga.

In summary:
>Get a worldview
>Start thinking from imagination instead of denying it
>OPEN YOURSELF TO THE TRUTH instead of proactively resisting it. Unless manifestation is not the goal here, but being a keyboard warrior.

Just my two cents, take it or leave it. Remember: You always have a choice.

>>41435359

you need to get out of your ego.

>"How you define a thing in space without dimension?"

Yeah that sentence would have made the book a lot better written. Like I said, you are a bad teacher if you are not actually explaining anything and the person reading the book needs to use their own intelligence to teach themselves. When I teach my students to play drums I am doing all of the thinking for them and saving them a lot of time and energy.

> "LEARNING THINGS IN YOUR OWN? (The actual purpose of the material..."

The guy writing the book wrote it purportedly attempting to explain why he is correct to anyone and that they wouldn't need anything else. It's a failure in that respect and the person who wrote it might want to give it another crack. If they're in their UL they should have a small enough ego to take that criticism. That is, if they actually want to help people.

>This is the guy calling me dumb and impressionable alright

I told you I already logically figured out everything in this book myself without needing the book.

I said the book probably works better for dumb and impressionable people. I didn't say it only works for dumb and impressionable people. You need to use your godlike power to rid yourself of your big easy to bruise by a stranger on the internet ego. I recommend EMDR, it's done wonders for me and my family.

>>41435407
>you need to get out of your ego.
My ego is god ego baby. The ride never ends.
>Yeah that sentence would have made the book a lot better written.
Is literally the same thing, explained in a different way.
>Like I said, you are a bad teacher if you are not actually explaining anything
More than 800 pages explaining things and he does not explain anything huh. Well, let me be damned.
>and the person reading the book needs to use their own intelligence to teach themselves.
YES!!! THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF UL!!! ALL ALONE YOU'RE THE SOLE RULE MAKER YOU STUPID IDIOT.
>When I teach my students to play drums
I WIPE MY ASS WITH YOUR STUDENTS, this is about realizing something beyond those platitudes.
>I told you I already logically figured out everything in this book myself without needing the book.
You don't need anything (technically speaking), i agree with you on that at least, but when someone talks about UL this way, it just get on my nerves you know? This is an image board after all, your passions and rages are one and the same expression, and im particularly passionate when it comes to UL and general solipsism/nondual stuff. Anyway, congrats on that, but you're still wrong about the material, and i will put the perspective to bring some balance (and to turn up the heat ;) things has been boring for awhile here).

>I said the book probably works better for dumb and impressionable people. I didn't say it only works for dumb and impressionable people.
It works for anyone who is open to it, period. Although, this is beyond UL itself. You simply approach this as you see fit, this is my way. This is why i suggest that you get your worldview straight and commit to it, in thought and action.

>You need to use your godlike power to rid yourself of your big easy to bruise by a stranger on the internet ego.
Why are you so assblasted? What if i dont want to do that? What are you gonna do? What if, i actually ENJOY being like this?

>>41435406

oh god the sap is what really pissed me off.

"the sap acts to become redness, firmness, softness"

what?

Does everything in a flower come from the sap? I don't remember elementary school science class. Does everything in a flower cone out of sap? does everything in a coconut come from milk first? these are the types of things he says, and I don't know enough about biology to know if this is how it works, but it sounds a little silly to me and I'm not sure if it's true; and it is distracting as fuck.

And again, I know fully well that the universe is full of empty space between atoms. I also know how to transcend duality and operate from what he calls UL and I figured that out on my own. that chnages nothing, which is the fact that the guy does a bad job of trying to logically prove why he's correct. he may very well do a good job of explaining how to take advantage of the UL later in the book but he did a bad job at the beginning.

and again I already fucking know everything he is trying to explain, which is why I am confidently saying he is explaining it poorly and is a bad teacher

Might be the wrong place to ask, but does anyone know of alternatives to LoA that is less mystical/spiritual, and based more on logic and universal truths that can easily be seen throughout the universe?

By universal truth or logic, I'm mean concepts like having an abundance of something inherently makes each unit of that thing less valuable (worth), or momentum. The concept of momentum being people who are already succeeding generally have a easier time succeeding, and people who are already failing generally have a easier time failing. Both of these concepts are not spiritual, they just exist as laws of the universe. People follow them even without realizing they exist. Those are just two examples. I'm sure many more exist, but they're hard to find.

Universal laws exist, and unlike LoA they can be observed and documented in many, many, different circumstances (even in scenarios that don't even include organic life). LoA seems to have similarities to these universal truths (someone who believes they can do something will have a much easier time accomplishing it then someone who does not believe they have the capability), but it's much more abstract, and the universal truths don't have any spiritual or reality-warping properties (those more concrete similarities to universal truths is what attracts me to LoA, and those reality-warping properties that can't be explained without spirituality are what repel me). There must be a group that takes advantage of universal truths in some way, but I haven't found them yet.

>>41435407
Limit AGAIN, as im not done with you. What with that last remark? Have you never came across with a confident individual? Would you walk up to someone you admire and tell "erm, sir, please take some drugs or something, you're being really scary with your authority and power :(( it makes me nervous ouchy ouchy mommy ouchy". I can make a solid profile from the post you're posted, and i don't agree with your ways anon. I like being a jerk, i like being "a moron", and i like my ego just fine, as long as it serves me (What is an ego anyway? It's just another abstraction). My ego is god ego, in my model, everything i do is perfectly fine as long as i feel good doing it. Even if i die shortly after typing this on the keyboard, i die happy just exactly how i am. Maybe instead of telling others how to act, maybe you should focus on how YOU act? How you want your life to be? The character you actually want to become? As a rule of thumb, people who cling on the behaviour of others who are proud of who they are, and bring shit like sin, ego, karma and hippie crap to the table are just projecting self imposed limitations. Look within, as everything comes from there, i say. I may be a homeless hobo, and i would vanish with a smile on my face.

A bit of rambling, but again, let's spice things up.

>>41435429

your ego is not god. that's not how it works at all. your ego does not exist and never has. your ego is an illusion that stands in the way of omnipotence. your ego is the reason you cannot manifest a hamburger into your hand right now or instantly bilocate into my bedroom. you are projecting assblastedness onto me

>>41435438
This has to be a joke posts. Is just... way too perfect. But in the offshot that you're not trolling, check this out: https://mega.nz/folder/bN1WnJIa#Aqa6tS42hMX5_Jz1DBzRkg

>>41435443
Or everything is god, or nothing is. And I AM one with everything. The rest of your comment? You're talking about yourself, nothing to do with me. And of course im projecting, everyone is, all the time, can't help! Structural reality. See pic related here >>41434454

>>41435442

if your ego is god i am giving you two minutes to bilocate into my room.

you cannot do it yet.
your ego is hindering you from omnipotence and omniscience and you are misreading me completely

>>41430078
You will become 6 4 and 8 inches and then you will want to be 6 5 and 9 inches

>>41435448

your ego is your sense of individuality and separation that causes you to get butthurt at my comments and overcompensate. it is the reason you can't bilocate into my bedroom to talk to me this instant

>>41435443
To further extrapolate, this
>that's not how it works at all.
Actually means: "that's not how it works at all in my reality". When filtering information, always remind yourself that everyone live in their own reality. Nothing to do with you...unless you accept it, of course.
>>41435454
Yes yes yes, if im god then why i don't kill myself? As satan told jesus in the bible. If im god then why i just don't piss in my mother's mouth for enjoyment? And so it goes. Nah, im fine, imagine the smell anyway. Didn't i told you before than experience doesn't matter? I literally can't do nothing that you allow me to do. "Wooow how scary, he set an example deciding in his own perspective that it's already failed, how could i recover?", i'm here for furthering my self realization, you to be a keyboard warrior. You are a monkey that dance for coins, and i see that you did very well with my two cents after all.
>>41435461
Nah, i guess im not god then. See you later!

>>41435457
i am fine with that

now how do i become 6'4 and 8 inches

>>41435463

I'm trying to teach you the difference between God and your ego and you're refusing to hear it. the self beyond the ego is GOD at top of the pyramid, the ego sits below on the other side of the abyss. the part of you that thinks it's badass is not the part that's creating reality

>>41435478
You dont actually want those things you just want the happiness (and bitches) it might bring

>>41435484
In my model, there is no difference. I would ditch the concept of god completely and just live my life as my own dream, after all is just a metaphor, "God" means a lot of ways for a lot of people. Also, you're truly giving yourself the hard life entertaining all that spiritual pseudo moralistic mumbo jumbo. I bet if you actually got good at this, you won't even think about that shit, you would just live life, enjoy yourself.

>the ego sits below on the other side of the abyss. the part of you that thinks it's badass is not the part that's creating reality
zzzzz...........

>>41435442
>Have you never came across with a confident individual?

you are not a confident individual. you are arrogant. it is different. you are hitting limit after limit because you are offended. that is not confidence.

>>41435495

lol bro you did not understand the book. you did not understand the book because it was poorly written so it is not your fault but you are literally contradicting the book. there is only one person. Me. I am you. we are one. your ego does not exist

>>41435407
I wanna learn how did you understand UL on your own no matter how many times I try to get it, it never works, it feels like you have to accept everything JP tells you, you have to accept common reference field of time space, having to accept void referencing dollar bills etc... but the moment you question it, his logic crumbles, specially in the initial parts

>>41435507
Ok, whatever. Sorry if i broke your feelings i guess.
>>41435513
...Sure?, but it served me and it was useful and i liked it, so yeah, whatever.
>your ego does not exist
You truly need to make up your mind :/ Anyway, yeah, nothing exists "as such", even less those abstractions, they are only ideas ("ego" is a useless one), because "everything exists". Something like that.

>>41435491
no, i am ready to be miserable as long as I am healthy and good looking

>>41435546
Don't listen to that retard, it's just cope projection. You want what you want and that's it, go for it, nothing can stop you once you made up your mind.

Anyone know where can I read the ebook LAW OF THE SIGNAL BY ERIC RIVEN?

Or have heard of it? And if yes , thoughts?

>>41435546
Me too anon altho health is my number one priority but i want other things , like i want my removed tooth back, and many improvements. I just dn't know how to intend for it all at once if it makes sense, most people focus on 1 thing like being certain height but not 10+ things at once

>>41435520

LOTS of experience in the occult and with neville. this is literally the last thing you could ever understand in spirituality. i started off reading a love spell from the satanic bible then moved on to sigils and summoning demons and kabbalistic stuff then eventually studying everything and then studying neville. try something else. give up on this until later.

>>41435577
yeah same story. i was cursed with the most cursed body one could get. besides being ugly, my body just started falling apart as soon as I turned 20. it started with a small hernia and back pain and now i have a terminal disease that will probably kill me if i don't do anything.

>>41435596
https://www.reddit.com/r/NevilleGoddard/comments/vsx4vk/the_inner_shift_that_changes_everything_resolving/

Damn I just figured out the reason we might be failing out manifestations is because we talk about them and discuss them, I'm pretty sure it sabotages the process.
Don't tell your intentions to any living soul, if you need information or advice ask the question in general without going into detail

>>41435596
One suggestion as anon who cured his back pain, go to youtube l type john sarno healing back pain, listen to it, it's a 3 hour long but worth it. It cured my 1 year deliberate back pain.

>>41435623
appreciate it but back pain is the least of my problems right now. i am beyond fucked.

>>41435635
How did it start? My body got fucked after getting covid in 2021 have over 15+ symptoms. I'll be trying some new things i didnt before, mildly optimistic

>>41431758
These are all second causes, you absolute fucking retarded cunt. Seriously, I want you to grab the nearest knife and take your own life.

>>41435256
I'm no expert on the topic but as a dumb person, I think UL appeals to people like me because of how seemingly effortless it is.

>>41435801
Manifestation is something you already do, since the moment you became aware of "existing", and will do forever in eternity. The ultimate lesson from UL is that nothing actually changed, things always have been this way. The only difference is: Now you look at the light instead of the absent of it, and acknowledge it as your imagination as the true reality. Who you truly are is that powerful. It all comes down to a choice tho, ultimately.

Tell me what you're manifesting, i'm curious to see what /loa/ is making for themselves.

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>>41435883
To bring my waifu into real laifu

>>41435883
New vessel; perfect health, excellent skin, restored teeth, white teeth, restored enamel from bruxism, perfect posture, cured from social anxiety, no moles on face, no more undereye circles, excellent eyesight

So yeah i'm going for this now

I read 8 pages of UL, didn't understand a word of it. No clue what the fuck he was trying to say.
No point reading any more when 8 pages in nothing makes sense at all.

>>41436059
Yes it is hard to understand, I dont blame you at all. Minimum 110+ IQ, preferably 120+ of it's eternal struggle

So in the light of recent difficulties understanding UL, I sent Advanced Financial gain part 1 PDF to ChatGPT and asked it the question and got the good answer

Q: I am not convinced of final common reference field, why and how does it reference the bill

A: 1. What “referencing” means in his use

When he says that the field “references” the bill, he’s not using the word “reference” the way we do in ordinary speech (“refers to”).
He means something more structural — like how a background gives definition to a shape.

Think of how:

A white circle on a black background appears only because of the contrast.

If the background vanished, there’d be nothing defining where the circle ends.

So “referencing” here means providing dimensional context — the field that allows the thing to be seen or known at all.
Without that field, the object has no placement, no boundary, no identity.

That’s his starting point.

2. How the field gives rise to the bill

He starts with this observation:

“You can’t know there are two bills unless there’s something between them to make them two.”

That “something” is the background or “not-the-bills” area — the negative space.
He then generalizes this mechanically:

What you see What it needs to exist
Two bills A background between them
One bill A surrounding void (“not-bill”)
Any object A base field that defines its placement

He calls that base field the universal line, the “host” that every object depends on.

So, when he says the field references the bill, he means:

The edges of the bill point back to the field for their very definition.

The bill’s existence as a separate thing requires the field as a reference.

Take away the field, and the bill “falls apart” — not because it’s destroyed, but because it loses the contrast that made it perceptible.

Cont.

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Got a job interview.
Should I
Just bee myself (i've gotten confident now and I've stopped caring who fucks or doesn't fuck with me) because my ideal job would appreciate honesty and some balls
or
pretend to appear hungry and desperate for this job because the machine preys on the vulnerable and hungry
What do you guys think?

So the bill isn’t “sitting on” the field — it is made of the field in a vibrating form.

Hence his statement:

“The hosting field is the very same thing as the object it’s presenting.”

2/2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDdqqDRzcjw
Anyone understand what the hell Gordon is saying about magical containers?

3. Why this becomes the “final” reference field

Now he takes the idea further.
You could imagine bigger and bigger contexts:

The bill on the table needs the room.

The room exists in the city.

The city on the Earth.

The Earth in space.

Space in what?

He says: if you keep looking for what contains it, you never reach an end — the containing context expands without limit.
An endless container has no boundary, so it can’t be “another thing.”
That, he concludes, must be a single, continuous, boundaryless field — the “final common denominator,” or the one universal line.

So it’s final because nothing can stand “outside” it to define it further.

4. Mechanically, how the reference works

He gives a geometric picture:

The bill is the wave — something bending, vibrating, forming shape.

The universal line is the flat base — the straight line before bending.

When line bends, it creates the wave; when it’s straight, it’s the still potential for every wave.
Therefore, the line (field) both:

Provides the possibility for the bill to appear, and

Defines the boundaries that let the bill be distinguishable.

That’s how he means the field “references” the bill — by being the dimension-giving context that allows the bill to appear as an object at all.

5. Why he says the field is the bill itself

Here’s the step that seems mystical but is still mechanical in his logic:

If the bill’s existence depends entirely on the field that defines it,
and that field continues even when the bill is gone,
then the field is the more real thing.

Now, because the field is all-pervasive (it’s everywhere), it must also pervade the bill itself.
So the bill isn’t “sitting on” the field — it is made of the field in a vibrating form.

Hence his statement:

“The hosting field is the very same thing as the object it’s presenting.”

2/2

>>41436122
>>41436126
>>41436135
Well. I'm glad you posted this. This did indeed allow me to understand wtf is being said.
Interesting. Very illuminating. I'll have to ponder on this new information for a bit.

>>41436211
No problem, it just helped me as well so might as well share it here if we have similar struggles. You can also upload pdf and ask any confusing questions, but pick one version instead of complete works. Oh and you can also only ask it like 2-4 questions before you get 3 hour limit where you cannot talk but its still enough for me to ponder on answers it gave me anyway

>>41436125
retarded question and if you're asking I even wonder what you're doing in this general

>>41436059
If it's not working for you, just drop it. Another thing you may want to get from the get go is that nothing is actually necessary. If you can manifest now, you were always able to do so. Book addiction and method madness are going to drain the life out of you if you are not practicing or doing anything to cause change in your experience; You don't alter your worldview to one where the existence of magic makes sense to you, then you will have a hard time with any material about this, period. What's next?
>No Neville
>No UL
>TG ignored, /one/ discarded

Nero Knowledge next? Alan Chapman maybe? It didn't help this place in the past, it won't help no one NEVER. Material is infinite, it's all imaginary either way. Eventually you will have to do something. Understanding have a limit, logic have a limit, this is when true faith, believing in yourself, comes to play. You will have to make up your mind in the end. There are no answers, only choices. Decide once and for all if your reality belongs to you alone or not.

>>41436135
>>41436122
Someone in the past asked Grok (i think it was called like that?) to explain UL. Look, if it works, fine, if using the indian algorith that filters things in ordinary light, nice, as long as it works. But, conclusion still commands: You have countless of explanation to UL. I mean, come on.
>ULAnon
>Student Notes from reddit
>Discord log
>Previous anons pointers
>And now AI summary

What's next? Are you going to actually pay john to help you? So he can tell you the same thing? Only saying for anyone still bumping his head against the wall because of this. It's no use to keep searching explanation because you have to accept, ultimately, THAT IS ALL YOU. You are your world, your mind and reality are ONE, reality is made of your own imagination and the facts you have taken for granted so far, every intent counts, even if you don't acknowledge it. Accept that, and understanding comes by its own, i fucking promise man. You will keep searching, but until you accept the truth, you will search forever, it may kill you from the inside out, i have see it happen a lot, don't let it happen to you. Just open your eyes, and realize that you were always dreaming awake. You don't have to believe me: Pay attention, see the facts, and decide for yourself.

>>41435883
Just any decent girl who's not fat or old. My standards are rock bottom.
Secondary is I'm trying to get rid of my sex drive entirely

>>41435546
Being miserable means you aren't healthy. and you're clearly already miserable right now, so why can't you just be healthy and good looking right now too?
>>41435552
its hilariously the exact opposite of cope, i have 7 inch and 6'2 and blue eyes blond hair and NONE of that shit brought me any more happiness than what was already inside/not inside me.
>nothing can stop you once you made up your mind
Whats crazy is that i never said this wasn't true. If anon wants to be 6'4 9 inch dick yeah he can. the problem, i will repeat, is that nothing else about his life and happiness levels will fundamentally change, and i can say this with total confidence. kek

>>41436546
>I want cake and also want to be allergic to cake

>>41436747
>and NONE of that shit brought me any more happiness than what was already inside/not inside me.
That's your problem. Your post outright said, QUOTE: "You dont actually want those things". Who are you tell anyone what they actually want? It's none of your business. Dind't make you happy? None of our business either, it can make him happier. You do what you want. I would be happy with more bitches and more money, nothing wrong with any desire.
>Whats crazy is that i never said this wasn't true.
Yeah, but you get the point, you know exactly what i mean. I had to argue about ego with some anon above, and what both have in common is this bizarre notion of knowing what other want and just outright telling them "nuh uh, you don't actually want what you desire dude, fuck off". No, this doesn't help anyone. You want what you want, and that's it. It can make him happier, everything can. Again, everyone has their reality, their ideals, we live in our own worlds. The next man garbage is another man treasure.

>>41436774
>Who are you tell anyone what they actually want?
Because sometimes people can know things that can't be figured out with logic alone and this esoteric knowledge i had was confirmed when anon said
>>41435546 namely that anon already is miserable, and would just be a 6'4 9 inch miserable gigachad.
>nuh uh, you don't actually want what you desire dude
yeah but this is literally true. he doesn't actually want that shit, he just wants the happiness that he thinks is associated with it. and this is the case with 100% of desires btw but that's harder to understand

>>41436755
Yeah duality of man etc
They say self transformation is easier to manifest than external things. I've tried and failed to get a girl for over half a decade now. So if I can't get my true desire, I'd at least want to get rid of this desire that is causing me so much despair and turmoil.

>>41436816
get rid of the desire and whether the girl comes or not you will be happy

>>41436787
>yeah but this is literally true. he doesn't actually want that shit, he just wants the happiness that he thinks is associated with it.
No, while you can change can your mind over the course of things until you get a firm decision made, i stand by the principle here: I think it's better, to make this general a more useful place, to actually rely on facts of existence and ideas rather than act like armchair psychologist that want to deny what other people want to accomplish with magic and lecture telling them that their desires are wrong (they are not, that's fucking bullshit). Again: You want what you want, period, there's not place to arguing here. It's up to you, to get what you want, to decide that that's it, hell, to even realize that in the large scale of things you don't even need a community, or anything in particular, as you are whole, you only do what you love. If ignoring everything we say help anyone on this board to just do what they want to do with their powers, i would gladly go fuck myself. Again, you are not that anon (I mean, you are but...you get what i mean), and everyone determine what experience will bring them happiness. It can be more money, better body, more girls, a dionisyan life style. Ultimately, we do what we want, even listening and accepting what other anon want to impose on you if you let it: It's only words on a screen, they are powerless, you as anything else in the world coompared to WHO you are really. Do what you want man, the world is yours, get your dick or whatever, and everything else.

>>41436835
Pretty good post bro but
>and everyone determine what experience will bring them happiness.
This is the fundamental misunderstanding. We determine what we WANT, we want what we want, as you said, but we do NOT determine what will actually bring us happiness. we couldn't if we tried. and the truth is NOTHING will. you either have it or you don't. and most people don't and think getting bitches and shit will bring it and then end up even more unhappy when it doesn't. and its easy as shit to get, literally just close your eyes, focus on your breathing, and take it easy and suddenly you are happy right now. try it, im serious

>>41436884
You're wrong. Good food and touching tiddy make me plenty happy.

>>41436822
Yeah thats the plan
Harder than I thought tho

>>41437037
Look within yourself and see if this is true

>>41437114
Yeah it's definitely true.

>>41437137
You probably didn't even look within

>>41437037
The kind of happiness I'm talking about is the lasting kind.
>>41437077
Its very easy brother. Just close your eyes and put your attention softly on your belly rising and falling with each breath. Feel your body and emotions, be right here in the present moment. if you don't have peace right now what makes you think you'll ever have it?

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>>41437221
>"Wowwwww noooooo stop having simple desires!!!! Stop being happy and content!!!! NOOOOO!!!!!!!"
I like girls and I like food. They make me happy.

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>>41437237
The kind of happiness i am talking about is a lasting kind. You may become the crying man without girls and food, meanwhile someone with the happiness I'm talking about will be very happy and content with or without the titties and food.

Would it be immoral to use loa to get a girl who is in a relationship? Like if her relationship failed it would be directly my doing, right? On one hand it feels tempting, on the other hand it feels kind of evil to cause someone pain from a break up.

Hi, I'm a woman and honestly I attract most of men I come across in the street, because I have a nice face and sexy body. I didn't manifest this, I attract men, it's just like that, no intervention from me. In fact I don't want to attract them so much, it's a pain to deal with this everyday.
So when I hear you say we manifest everything... lol. Not even close.
1/ I attract men while doing anything
2/ I even don't want to attract them

And still I attract them.
Your conclusion is your command you say?

>>41437343
>So when I hear you say we manifest everything
I don't think Neville says this

>>41437237
This. Is that simple. A piece of cake can make me more happier than...whatever your idea of happiness is. Like, seriously, what is happiness?
>>41437221
>>41437139
Look, what if i just want to have sex forever? Like James Bond? That idea makes me happier, i can envision something like that making me happier. It's who i am. Not that i'm convincing you of anything, it's just how it is. You decide the life you want to live and...just go for it. Fuck, fuck happiness then. What if i don't want hapiness? And just want to have sex? Like an animal does: Doesn't feel anything in particular, just intent, just drive. What if i want to discard those platitudes entirely. We are not even human, following the absolute conclusion of this thing to it's absolute truth end, we may as well just stop contemplating stuff and just going ahead. We have limitless power, there's no reason to hold back anymore. This is the main gripe with this general: We already know this is all our own dream...why keep beating around the bush? Unless you still don't know? Why even care about hapiness? Who you are is beyond emotions.

>>41437426
>Who you are is beyond emotions.
>Look, what if i just want to have sex forever

>>41437474
Yes? You don't need reason. You create all reasons, you create all emotions, you create all experience. As i said, nothing left to know, no answers, only choices, i choose that. I choose eating, have sex, enjoying vidya, enjoying life, doing what i love. Be in disagreement, but i do it regardless, and so can you. Don't be bound to that stuff, deep down you just want to realize that you're free. Nobody is judging you and if they do, so what? Do what you want man, there are no reasons for anything, boundaries are the only sin, enjoy this life, enjoy your dream.

>>41431758
Neville was an alkie and a heavy smoker

>>41436059
I'll be honest with you; it's pointless. There is nothing in UL that you don't get from reading Neville. It's the same exact shit right down to "you are God/the universe/the source etc" except it's written and illustrated in a really, shitty convoluted way (in my opinion, at least).
>b-buh UL says you don't have to work for it!
Yeah except you do. It tells you precisely that you have to review and think about the material until you "know" it well enough. You can dance around that all you want but that's the definition of effort. Neville also said you'd reach a stage in your evolution where your 3D reality bends effortlessly to your will. So again, there is no real meaningful difference between the 2. Use whichever one you can get a better grasp on.

>>41429086
Anyone ever had a visualization manifested identically as a direct deja vu (like, exactly the scene that you visualized)?

>>41437825
>b-buh UL says you don't have to work for it!
Or maybe, you really do not have to work for it... WHEN you have reached the ultimate enlightenment to be able to "act from your OAP state".

But UNTIL this point you must "learn" all this shit, of course, and this will take you years or maybe decades, who knows,

So yes, you technically don't need to do ANYTHING at all to magically manifest your shit,... apart from wasting probably your entire life on trying to understand John's "wisdom", but again this doesn't count because that's not "acting as OCB"

;)

Based universe played this joke on me:
These last days I tried to manifest getting an e-ink ebook reader for free, I don't care how, so I can read all these books about magic that I downloaded, without hurting my eyes on a normal screen.
Instead, today, in a book box (boxes scattered around the town where people can dispose of their old books for other people to pick up, for free) among old children books I found Joseph Murphy's book "the power of the subconscious" translated in my language. This felt like a message: "Yeah, fuck you for the free e-ink reader, just take this and stop bugging me".

>>41437943
Sure but again Neville's teachings offer the same and offer to get you to that point through innate understanding through practical application. I appreciate Paolucci attempting to explain the mechanics behind everything but I don't think it's ultimately helpful for most people. I don't think most people need to be convinced of the mechanics and logic behind changing the 3D after they have a taste of successful manifestation using whatever method they choose. If they get to the point where they feel they need it then they are probably, ironically, making things unnecessarily difficult for themselves by overthinking things which is a tough rut to get out of. Trying to satisfy your 3D mind is a neverending battle because it always leads to doubt which always leads to more questions.

im gonna need 1 million dollars and a giant titty nympho by the end of the weekend big dawg, thanks

"Any two or more things share a common reference field,
and that field is ONE indivisible thing as Presence. This is the simplest fact anyone
could know, and with a little careful consideration, it’s strikingly obvious. Because
disorder requires two or more changing things, Who you are is Perfect Order.
Examining ONE thing as indivisible and all-pervasive, meaning it never truly divides
or reduces, there is nothing but Perfect Integrity, Pure Harmony, and Pure Goodness.
Anything less is a locally-based perception supporting a baseless fake story in your
head. When ONE thing becomes personal like you, it is essentially ONE All-person."

what is it with this one UL shilling fag going into endless tirades and posting 4-5 Tolstoy-novel-length replies in a row?

>>41438454
He's trying his best to counteract the psy-op of relentless negativity infecting this thread.

>>41434087
have you even manifested anything noteworthy?

Thoughts about my experience?

When I broke up a few years ago I was desperate, and I only had one thing in mind : finding another girl to forget the previous one (because let's be honest it's always a girl who saves you from a bad break-up, even if she doesn't know it).
Ok back to my story. So I was in total NEED of a girlfriend, I was lurking at girls outside and when I saw one who seems ok to me I gave her my number. But none of them called me back.
I was so in need of finding a gf I opened an account on tinder, and that's when I found a new gf.

During the whole process I was in real NEED of a gf, and I was feeling desperate and depressed day by day not finding one. Until I finally got one on this app.

I wasn't aware of LOA but no need to say I wasn't living in the end at all, it was the contrary, the only end I was living in was my lonely desperate state. I woke up desperate and felt asleep desperate.

And still.... I found a gf !
Which wouldn't have been possible according to LOA principles.

So how come???

>I am not charismatic
Don't say negative things about you
> Also
>The sub doesn't care about negative (confirmed by Neville's ladder experiment)
Ok whatever your made up rules, leave me alone now.

>>41438454
He's a fraud

>>41433869
The hunger itself is not the problem, it is actually a cool feature. The problem is the deeper mechanism triggering it. If you get munchies hungry, go eat plenty. If you don't, the damage is even bigger as your body thinks you are starving and you don't feed it, causing a greater reduction of vital metabolism, increasing your tendency towards anorexia, which takes effort to recover from and has a high death rate, the highest of all mental diseases. Weed has always existed and been known, it is just such a slow death it didn't get adopted culturally by any long spanning civilization. It has been well described by Romans.

>>41438574
Not every relationship starts because someone used loa

>>41437876
>>41438574
You???

>>41438574
This type of question bugs me a lot and I say it as person that successfully used imagination to shape my life experience a lot. The only explanation that I can come up with is this: you still saw yourself as a desirable person and that belief was stronger than the neediness.
I have an absurdly simple example: you don't need to imagine yourself full before eating dinner yet you are still able to satisfy your hunger. Why? because the belief that when you open your fridge the food will still be there is so strong.

>>41438739
The Law that is supposed to create life experiences is always 'on'. If that's not the case then we cannot really call it 'Law'

>>41429086
Things are wonderful. My family easily helps everyone in need now and receives endless abundance in return. Things are better than ever and they continue to improve daily. Everyone who has ever helped me or my family is incredibly blessed and happy to see the immense wealth and endless happiness and success my family now enjoys

>>41432181
Yes but russians are more pragmatic their loa thread has less fluff, even if the results are same crap lok

>>41433709
That's a pretty good idea thanks mate

>>41431758
Lmao
Imagine adding arbitrary rules like this, when Neville himself was a smoker and alcoholic

>>41434087
>as you can KNOW that you're god instead of being stuck in cuck wishful thinking.
Ok you're the god of your reality, but let's be honest there is obviously a God above us all. Who created your awareness ?

>>41434420
>Decide that you get it, decide that whatever happens or not you already have it because is your dream, it's present in imagination
Then why not just stay home and live your entire life in your imagination ? Do nothing, just imagine your perfect life all day long and live it inside your head. After all, if the goal of all of this Is to be satisfied by already having your stuff in your imagination, to the point of not needing it anymore in the 3d, then it's useless doing anything beside imagining. I mean, just live in your head 24/7. Don't go Chas gf, you already have one in your mind. Don't go look for a job, you're already a successful businessman in your mind, etc etc.
It's a serious thought, what's your opinion ?
Also what did you manifest if I may ask?

>>41435635
Mate if you didn't try it yet, take fenbendazole it's a cheap dog dewormer that resolves many conditions including terminal stage cancers, brain tumors, etc. Try it, it has no side effects almost, and it can be effective quite fast.
Lots of fb group discussing it.
Dmso is another good remedy as well, both can be combined for extra punch effect.

>>41439047
That's an explanation yes... But then it's confusing all those people say you have to get rid of the need, in order to manifest. Or you have to live in the end. Or you have to feel the wish fulfilled.
I was totally desperate, I was pretty sure I'd never find another gf... literally checked none of the LoA rules, and still manifested a cool and pretty girl after my breakup.

Yep LoA is far from a law. I don't say you can't manifest things, but it's clear it's not the exact way to do it since you can also manifest even if you literally think you'll never get what you want.
And I'm not the only one. We all know people who finally get very happy lives while they were desperate to the point of wanting to kill themselves.
There is something else at play.

>>41438631
>about negetive (confirmed by Neville ladder experiment)
Not you but WTF this made up rule? Literally the point was “if your mind is set on it, and you believe it, nagetive mental chitter chatter is nullified”
That was it
Now people literally think they have to believe AND MUST say negetive shit about themselves for it to work?
Lmao
And then people think how traditions and religions came to life. This, this exact thing happened.
Someone say some shit, and others just misinterpreted the shit out of it. Good thing is that we have records and documents and books and video of his speech. Now imagine how was it 10000 years as it was mostly oral info transfer

>>41438574
I think the whole “you always manifesting” is total horseshit
You had a gf, had the “it”for it to find another one (call it personality, looks, height, charisma, confidence, whatever) and were able to even land one on tinder, something that a lot of people fail on
I think LOA is only useful and works when you can’t do it non magically, which you did
Also, the fact that you KNEW you gonna find one, might have been the fuel. I mean you BELIEVED in yourself enough , and your right to have a gf, right?

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I had fallen out of practicing LOA because I was deep in doubt and felt like I was forcing it. After coasting for a while I felt as if I had dropped the doubt and jumped back in.
Over a short period of time (maybe a few weeks) since I started again, my results came up almost instantly. To a level where it felt unnerving in the last few days.
I've met the girl of my dreams, got a bit more money in my pocket and my relationship with my friends has gotten better. I plan to focus more on personal projects with this in the future.
Does anyone get to the point where it feels like your surroundings are dream like, almost as if nothing is real? Doing SATS worked the best for me but now all I want to do is get to the half awake state and create more scenarios. I'm almost uncomfortable being awake anymore, like my finger is too close to the pulse of my life. Should I pull back?

Some things are easy to manifest. You think about them and happen almost immediately, some others take way too long or don't happen at all.

>>41439669
Is it true that he even predicted his own death? He seemed like he lived life deliciously.

>>41437316
don't do it

>>41429086
>that stick man complains about things not being healthy
>he probably scrolls twitter, instagram, tiktok, and youtube shorts on his phone all day, even while he's on the toilet taking a shit

i have a gazillion different will and future that I wish to fulfill. and most of them are fundamentally incompatible with each other.

i have just realized that I am more undecided about what I want than I thought. i literally have no clear vision of where I want to be. i have an idea in the morning and a different goal midday and a completely different one at night.

>>41437221
I read the Power of Now, I want to achieve that happiness, but when I focus in the "now" I still feel lots of pain and a burning sensation in my stomach .

I know when I thought I had what I wanted m, I didn't have that.

>>41440171
Well bruh did you even consider the fact that maybe you don't need loa to get a gf?
You were already in a relationship before you broke up and found another one on a dating app.
Maybe you think you're not attractive enough or something. But your story sounds no different to a girl getting broken up with and just finding another boyfriend. Sure you approached those girls but it's always a numbers game with that nonsense.
High chance you're more than attractive enough for most girls to date you.
Compared to a guy who is an incel and has never had a gf.

>>41429086
My depressed brain is sabotaging me and I don't know what to do about it. I have periods of immense happiness and manifesting just feels natural. The other moments i forget how it feels to be happy, I just can't feel it. My visualisations become deformed unexciting and dim. What should I do about it. It seems maybe that I should incorporate some routine that i will be able to do regardless of my mental state