I'm started to wonder if there's actually such a thing as enlightenment, where your consciousness is ultimately freed from the confines of this physical plane. What if it's just the result of meditating and prolonged having your mind in a certain state, where your brain changes to be that way all the time?Every philosophy and religion has their own ultimate ideal whom ppl should aspire to be, but spiritual enlightenment as it's usually understood seems to only exist in a buddhist/hindu context. I can't find references to this type of enlightenment in any other religion or philosophy.Am I onto smth, or just full tard?
I think enlightenment is really just pulling your head out of your ass, understanding yourself and being capable of engaging in introspection.
>>41436149Not full tard
>>41436149You are already enlightened. There is nothing special about it, so stop seeking. There is no "truth" or "realization" that you suddenly "get". Chop wood, carry water.
>>41436149It doesn't release you from life or makecyou glow or whatever. It's just seeing the hidden pulse underneath it all, being free from the world's definitions and labels. The way symbols speak more than a book ever could. The pattern becomes visible. Removed from this plane in the sense the world stops pulling at you. Things just roll off like rain water. Why stress over the death of yesterday or the tomorrow that doesn't exist. The only moment that exists is now.
>>41436149Attachments lead to suffering. The world has been robbed by forces that impose attachments and lure you into suffering.Detachment is what you want. Control your emotions in all situations, and learn to feel what you truly want to feel. With that, you begin to perceive patterns that become psychic abilities in the future.Aside from that, I'm a faggot like you and everyone else.
>>41436149>where your consciousness is ultimately freed from the confines of this physical planeWhere do you get this as what enlightenment means?It doesn't match what Buddhists say, and it doesn't match what the concepts of the Enlightenment were.Enlightenment is NOT a thing in Hinduism.In Buddhism, enlightenment is realizing there are no independently existing anything. Nothing eternal. You don't exist except as the things around you define you. And neither do they exist. Nothing exists outside of interdependent context.In Europe Enlightenment was the spread of the idea that we could structurally, systematically understand and thus dominate the world around us. It led to modern notice na of science and logic.It sounds to me like you are more interested in the concept of mukti, of liberation, or in the west perhaps the notion of gnosis, but that is a looser parallel.
>>41436158>I think enlightenment is really just pulling your head out of your ass, understanding yourself and being capable of engaging in introspection.Many people think many incorrect things and are nevertheless satisfied by their incorrect understanding. The world keeps turning.
yes. but most minds can't handle it. imagine someone walked in the room and told you had just won a billion dollars. You respond "ok". That's the experience of an enlightened person
>>41436344>Where do you get this as what enlightenment means?I'm just generally saying some repeated notions. Yeah, I mean it's dubious that Buddhism specifically means this, but a lot of new age types and,followers of westernized buddhism think. And interpretation of nirvana>Enlightenment is NOT a thing in Hinduism.There's a word for it, I can't really remember. Maybe Moksha. But i don't think Hindus focus on it so much
>>41436149Buddha means awaken, you awake from the dream and see reality clearly as it is (en-lightened) while the rest is sound asleep in the dark, living in their dreams.Many begin to start awakening and see the theater of life, but it's hard to fully let go and become free from attachments, clinging and desires. The ego always try to grab on to something. Along the path there are many traps as well. Escapism into bliss states in meditation like drugs. Spiritual ego/superiority complex as being "enlightened", false teachers and gurus who think they're higher spiritual beings. Nihilism, depression when nothing matters. Derealization is a change in perspective and it can be psychologically difficult for some. Fears and unresolved trauma can also cause trouble.That's why a real guru or teacher is good to have, to help guide the student through these potentially difficult situations. Essentially it's just to help a person overcome their ego and let go.
>>41436149>Is enlightenment real?Enlightenment is the beginning. It is the realization of the nature of you not being your body. Enlightenment is NOT transcendence>ultimately freed...physical planeThis does seem to be possible. Tibetan rainbow body disappearences on death. Or do you mean your physical body vanishes while you are still alive? Or migrating your soul out of it? All of those are plausible and theoretically possible, just extremely rareThere is nothing you can "do" to attain this. Doing is the reverse of transcendence. Doing is actively engaging with the "outside." It is the objectification of the self. There is no transcendence through doing, only further chains. Refusal to participate and forcing stillness in mind, body, spirit, and soul (yes, two different things), leads to complete dissolution back into the Absolute. It sucks from what I hear. It's boring. It's pure stasis. This is ultimate transcendence of all things. It is the death of your individuated self. This is to BE the divine and cease all BECOMING.The best thing is to "remove modulation." You are receiving a signal of consciousness entering into you, your brain acting as an antenna to pick it up. If you purify your physical body, your mind and spirit are more properly aligned to interpolate that signal, reducing noise. Clarity of the signal is what will lead to what you're looking for if you want to still exist both before and after physical death, where you can experience things and have a tremendous time doing so. Seek peace. Seek stillness. Seek clarity of thought and less of it. Seek to be wholly intentional in all things.You will become hyper sensitive to things which disrupt your signal and will be able to instantly recognize what is scrambling your signal clarity. Having great signal clarity is what leads to bliss. Receiving the signal, amplifying it, and not letting it get scrambled is BECOMING closer to the Divine. Everything else is BECOMING farther away.
>>41438103>leads to complete dissolution back into the Absolute. It sucks from what I hear. It's boring. It's pure stasis.There's no place like home.
>>41438391I mean, if it (you) was (were) content to stay there, you would have. The fact you incarnated and chose to be apart from absolute fullness shows that it's just bland. Boring. No contrast. No experience. Nothing. Just eternal stasis. Full and complete? Yes. Still not enough. Much rather be scattered across the cosmos and continually and infinitely travel back to the self, while never fully reaching it, experiencing greater and greater bliss as you trend toward a null point you never reach. Like falling into a black hole. Time slips away in your own perspective as you get closer toward it. So an outsider would see you falling in over a set duration, but to you, it's essentially infinite. And the closer to the center you get, the more sweet succulent goodness you experience without having to go into stasis.Home for you? Maybe. I ain't going back. They can't make me
