Source: Extensive reseach and irl experience as well as anecdotal reports of professionals.First of all, there are very many psychotic or otherwise delirious disorders which do not fall under what I *in this context* consider schizotypy. It's ultimately a predisposition in character that schizophrenics and similar share. Manics with psychosis or dissociotive disorders do not count.Schizos don't feel comfortable lying. They obviously can and do lie, but far less often then avarage and mostly for self defense or out of pity. Another thing is Cluster A personalities (not necessarily disorder) do not feel envy the same way others do. I used to be completely oblivious to that. I've seen autists and normies, even manics with psychosis demostrate envious behavior. Never schizos. I do not know why that is, but thats my number 1 tale someone isn't trustworthy. Avoid envious people at all cost, they are ultimately narcissistic deep down.Identify schizotypy to identify honest souls. Identify envy to exclude schizotypy. Thank me later.
>>41478368>Avoid envious people at all cost, they are ultimately narcissistic deep down.Am I a narcissist? I believe I am a god and see other people as cattle but because I am so sure in my view of myself I just pity them and treat them as puppies and try my best to be selfless and spoil them rotten.
>>41478388Narcissists are burdened with envy. Does seeing someone have it better then you you make you hate them? Schizophrenia might convince you of your godhood, but you will see yourself as a jesus figure, not a dominant overlord to be obeyed without question.
>>41478425Envy points towards deep ego defect. It expects compensation above station. An ultimately vile driver (or wires), it is ignorance of one´s own flaws, and even where not acknowledged a willful type. Ignorance is a choice too.
>>41478368I want to add that the reason for making psychosis a distinct thing is that psychosis can be caused by mania and depression, but will have a different expression of symptoms. The prime example I encountered was manic paranoid and had delusions that a guy was conspiring against him. It lacked religious character as well as "ideas of reference" or synchronicities. I noticed him behaving like a show off juvenile and concluded that his official diagnosis of hebephrenia F20.1 was wrong, looked up and found mania with psychotic symptoms F30.2 to perfect match, simply because he didn't have the personality of a schizo. Also shows you how much modern psychiatry is a scam.
>>41478368Good OP. I think John Nash was maybe having some mental problems but that’s probably bc he was in fact likely being gangstalked or messed with by some govt or evil group of people. I believe John Nash not dirty psychiatrists.
inb4 googled it and no, you will find no positive correlation between those. This is where I strongly disagree with the model of mental disorders entirely.The ICD or DSM will only decribes people superficially, and does not differentiate between intentions.One example I met was guy with paranoid personality disorder. He was diagnosed with antisocial as well as schizophrenia. He had neither. I found him to be very cool and empathetic, easy to get along with. He would only get into fights with people who he thought were conspiring against him. To me he was straight F21 schizotypal disorder.Schizos do bad out of confusion, not because of malice. Dark triads actually enjoy evil.Ultimately the difference
>>41478388>Am I a narcissist?Worse: a delusional jew
Not entirely related, but also very useful to know is how unbelievable easy it is to get a person to fall in love with you. Get them to talk about their romatic feelings and they will get attached to you very quickly. Scammers exploit this all the time. Why do you think women are hard to get these days? There are so many dark triads praying on love seekers. Not even for money, just to mess with their psyche. Once a person gets a crush on you they will be extremely suggestible and easy to manipulate. Very often cult leaders exploit Freuds writings this way.
>>41478701>confusionPrecision should be our gold standard. :p
Can't have x psychology thread without shitting on antipsychtics. They are used as though they are the silver bullet against everything. You can't go to some mental hospitals without having dopamine blockers forced onto you. This shit is poison to some people, giving them all sorts of sideeffects. They will still give them to you. They don't with anything but psychosis and only like 65% if you can believe google. Dr Jerry Marzisky found a technique with similar effectiveness that uses no medication. I don't believe his theory on why it works, but I'm certain is does work. It involves supressing verbal thought and moving away from fear, lessening paranoia. The math checks out. SSRIs are already proven to be ineffective and it's common sense they are. Any serotonin agonist causes rapid tolarance and they ultimately cause more depression. Doctors will tell you its only a beginning stange and will get better (duh, your body adapts to the poison). They have no fucking clue what they are doing. Often psychiatrists and shrinks are even oblivious to Freudian psychoanalysis. Its claimed to be the basis for modern psychology. They don't even really know wtf the meds do they percribe, only what symptoms they threat and thats by design. They dont need to know, they need to follow instructions which are made by burocrats and the WHO.
>>41479013>They don't with anything but psychosis and only like 65% if you can believe google.They dont help with anything but psychosis I meant to say
Had a really good opportunity with a randomly selected group of 20 people to ask about this. It is true. 50% don't get what you mean or think your schizophrenic. 20% will say they have internal monolog, but not always. 30% find your question confusing because they believe its normal and everybody has it. It seems to be a trait related to the ability to self relect, more specifically on how you interpret your own perception. These people have poor ability to recognize their own cognitive biases and limits of cognition.If you ask these people about it, be careful how you ask because they might give you the answer that is "normal", not an accurate one. When you argue with people like this, be aware that they are incapable of logic and will judge truth purely by gut feeling, mostly by how often they heared other people make that claim. Big cooperations and cheap advertising, thats the people who it is targeted at. They unconsciously interpret a repreaded signal as more true and don't think about why happyness correlates with product. They get familiar and stick to that.Thats what NPCs are.
TrueIt's blatantly obvious some humans are not human. Some are npc algorithms (normies) some are demons in skinsuits (archons)
>>41478368OP, this thread interested me. I am fairly certain that I suffer some kind of mental disorder that involves psychosis. My delusions and very frightening ideas are constant, and very crippling.For a long while, I have come to the conclusion that I am schizophrenic. It manifested in early 2024, though I am sure that there were some warning signs before that. This thing that began happening to me left me in complete paranoia, and it made me withdraw from and put physical distance between me and those I believe were affecting me.The content of my 'delusions' mostly revolves around having knowledge, skills, and overall intelligence somehow withdrawn from my skull and sent to other people. It really began as a fear of losing artistic/drawing skill and it pretty much got out of hand from there.Then, according to you, I don't fit into the schizo category since my delusions/ideas/whatever is going on, are born from envy of what others can do if I don't, in any way, protect of what I think is mine.
Great thread OP. I'm autistic and schizotypal. I'm very paranoid, and I have a lot of magical thinking. I don't want friends, but I do want a lifelong romantic partner and I have a lot to give. It's strange, I much prefer being alone than being with a "friend", but if I had a partner I'd want to spend all of my time with them. Unfortunately I seem to attract energy vampires and narcissists, and I've experienced a lot of abuse at their hands. My last ex was a textbook example of a vulnerable dark triad which I'm still recovering from. I don't want to sound like a special snowflake, but sadly, I haven't met many people who relate to me or think the way I do. I don't think my way of thinking is better, it's just different from others. Do you have any advice for me, especially on how to meet those like me and avoid meeting narcissists/dark triads?>>41478773>Not even for money, just to mess with their psyche. I feel like they do it because they're looking for narcissistic supply. A narcissist's life leaves behind a trail of hurt. They must monkey branch from supply to supply for their entire lives as even a moment alone in their thoughts is agonizing to them. From the things I've seen them do to secure a new source of supply, it must be a pain the likes of which few of us will experience, but it's hard for me to feel sorry for them.Which leads me to another litmus test you could consider:An honest soul is fine with being alone, if a someone cannot stand to be alone, avoid them at all costs.
>>41481211>I'm autistic and schizotypal.You can't be both. Autism spectrum and schizophrenia spectrum also also exclusive to each other, Aspergers is fake entirely. You are purely schizotypal.
>>41480291>The content of my 'delusions' mostly revolves around having knowledge, skills, and overall intelligence somehow withdrawn from my skull and sent to other people. It really began as a fear of losing artistic/drawing skill and it pretty much got out of hand from there.That truly sounds like narcissist developing psychosis. You are most definitely not schizophrenic.
>>41481211>Do you have any advice for me, especially on how to meet those like me and avoid meeting narcissists/dark triads?Get away from the autism myth. Autism is a rare form of mental retardation, aspergers is a meme and doesn't exists AT ALL. Other then that I already gave the best advice I could. Just develop a sense for minor cues someone might secretly be envious of you and you cut out most scumbags. If someone isn't receptive to logical thought, just accept them being a NPC and don't try to fix them.In the end its all just gaining experience and touching grass. Finding like minded people online is very difficult for schizotypals.
In general autism is memed out of proportion. Normies will call anything autism that doesn'tfit social expectations. Everyone that isn't ENTJ is autistic by that logic, thats completely retarded.A gigantic problem with is misdiagnosis of schizoid with autism spectrum. The specific symtoms of schizoid personality disorder mimic milder forms of autism spectrum, but the cause is completely unrelated. Autists struggle with perceiving and adopting social behavior, but have full capability for experiencing emotion and affect. Schizoids are usually hypersensitive to what autists are numb to, resulting in avoidance of people. Therapists will diagnose schizoids with aspergers and treat them like social retards, more often then not resulting in a very bad relationship with the (often neurotypical) therapist.
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Also, narcissists being master manipulators is a myth. Their tricks are very cheap and once you know how they work, you can't fall for them. Dark triads in general are bad at understanding people. You need empathy and a great deal of self reflection to be good at understanding people. Narcissists do not understand how people think, only know how they react. Same for antisocial or histrionic. High functioning psychopathy is actually quite rare.
>>41478773I bet all the luakers want more of this.When talking to someone, try to move the conversation towards romantic FEELINGS. The bigger hurdle is overcoming the resistance of moving into that territory rather then actually profiting from the attachment correlated. If a person feels like they can trust you with their romantic emotions and feel understood by you, they will unconsciously associate you with those feeling. Whether they get a crush on you is miss or hit, but they will get emotionally invested. For additional effectiveness talking about sexual preferences is subject to the same effect. Wont work on people who don't consider you a potential mate a priori (straight men as a man for example or someone who already has a crush). If they are of oppesite gender and gay in denial they might go paranoid maniac on you (Source: Freuds introduction to psychoanalysis).Way more important then know how to rizz is to know that you yourself are also prone to this and will be easily manipulated by the person you're attracted to, possibly without knowing. There is a reason people a hesitant when opening up about their romanic feelings.
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While it's true that schizotypal genetic predispositions and outcomes negatively correlate with Dark Triad traits, it is not true that those evil sorts cannot be schizophrenic.They rarely receive a diagnoses of schizotypy. That's a diagnoses pretty much reserved for loners unable to function properly in life who are not outwardly, obviously aggressive and manipulative or insane, because if they were they'd receive a different diagnoses.The whole of psychiatry and psychology is too ephemeral. People of the same "schizophrenic" diagnoses show wildly different symptoms, suggesting they should receive different diagnoses. The diagnoses are too broad, far too broad.Were it not for The Almighty, honesty would have no more spiritual strength than dishonesty, and schizotypic people wouldn't be any spiritually stronger than those with Dark Triad traits. Less so perhaps, as they think about what other people are thinking less often than Dark Triad individuals, who are trying to discover the keys to manipulating others.I've been diagnosed as Schizotypical, Schizophrenic, and with Bipolar Disorder, but what I've actually suffered was brain damage, radical occult changes that make me weird, and abuse that made me odd, none of which the doctors knew about or they may have changed their diagnoses.There are people on this board besides myself invested with some of my training that can help you if you ask around for spiritual help. If you have pets you can ask them, animals know the plan.
What is the essence of 'schizotypy' in the best case? What is its most positive redeeming quality?
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What about social anxiety + hyper awareness of neurotypicals' intentions
>>41486464You seem to be wholly unaware of the broken methodology used in diagnostics in general. This is not last due to the fact that dark triad traits are beneficial in competitive settings, therefore also in executive positions of the WHO and company. They have no interest in making knowledge such as this public. I bet they are aware of this fact themselves but keep it secret because they envy the enlightend man for his honesty. You would not believe how incredibly stupid even billionaires are. They are merely good at the specific things that made them rich. The world is an ideocracy and is ruled by bots. They are themselves unaware that they are bots. They wont even be able to comprehend what the difference between you and them is. They lack a layer of metacognition that schizotypals have. It is extremely useful for differential diagnosis and also for life in general to understand the above.
>>41491373Neurotypicals are habitual liars and schizotypals are hypersensitive to that and receive it badly. Neurotypials more similar to dark triads then schizotypals are and thats incredibly frustrating. The world is psychologically broken because people are dissynchronized and in dissonance.
If you think that the elite politicians are really bright and wise, you are wrong. They are ultimately also bots, even if intelligent ones. I've even seen a schizophrenic claim that he had no inner monolog, ive seen retarded people who claim to have one, it seems to be culturally normal, yet someone the numbers add up. It is true, maybe even worse like 80% bots overall. These people are not to put into any category a priori. The only real difference is that they are incapable of logic, they judge truth purely by how good it sounds. I call them bots because they just act, they dont think. They cognize, they process, they can take time to get a feel. But they are normies, litteraly normopaths who only want to fit in, to look normal, to be a part of the whole. They only play a role and know nothing else.
>>41492064Btw incapable of logic means they cannot have percise thought. They are bad at math and cant get good at it. They will never truly get formal logic and will find disproportionate difficulty in understanding informal logic and the difference between subjective and objective states of affairs, even if they have an iq of 130.
Btw to really have a feel for how often you can expect you evaluation of a person disposition to be here some rules of thumb:Schizotypals are 5%, no more, half of them in some way disfunctional, the other half completely healthy.Half of people are bots, dont get too emotionally invested in them. The other half might act like bots if they are scum.Dark triads are 20% and most people will adopt dark triad behavior in some way. Most important to understand about dark triad traits is that they are not beneficial in the long run. All three behaviors will create a psychological dependence not dissimilar to drugs, and more often then not deprive the person of character and willpower. Don't give the dark forces more power by overestimating its power, corruption feeds on fear.
>>41492387Oh yea and autism is obvious. If you have to think about it for more then a minute its not autism.
>>41478388have you ever raped and murdered an infant or drank it's blood in a ritual?
>>41478388Benevolent solipsism.
trolling on teh forums is schizoid narcissisml
OP again. Friendly reminder that you are probably suffering from "ADHD", a mutuatuion of the dopamine receptors. Proportional to severity it makes you shift focus more easily or makes it even hard to stay focused entirely. It's not terminal and with cognitive training it can turn into workaholic mentality. With tictoc and gatcha games it gives you brainrott as these feed on the natural lack of dopsmine in your brain. It also makes you prone to addiction.If dopamine reuptake inhibitors make you calm and focused you have it, if you get hyped you don't.I dont know how many people are affected (more then you think) but its systematically underdiagnoed because of implied stimulant perscription. When they put you in front of a desk and force you to listen to boring teachers misseducation you on irrelevant trivia they give you actual developental damage. Or system is rigged in favor of antisocials and neurotypicals.
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>>41496538>>41496609>>41479013In general psychopharmacology is a scam. Not a pseudoscience, a SCAM. Politics and big pharma are blissfully ignorant of root cause aproaches. I myself know from personal experience that amphetamines can help with paranoia and delusions, better so then antipsychotics if used correctly. Antipsychotics can also very much worse symptoms of psychosis, as reported by many who dont belong in the lucky 65%(?) whom they help. A psychiatrist told me personally that antipsychotics, dopamine blockers, the exact opposite of Ritalin/methylphenidate, helps with ADHD. Many many many drugs exists which habe the potential to outright cure illness with a single dose. Iboganie would be the most impressive example, having a 70% succes rate of curing heroin or opiate addiction after a sigle dose. MDMA can dissolve PTSD. This isn't even deep arcane knowledge, clinicians should know. They simply chose to be ignorant of this.
To get back to the OP:The official stats are all broken simply due to human failure. Often criminals play schizophrenic to evade punishment. They will make up symptoms and play schizo, this alone already fucks up everything.You must understand how psychology is researched. A lot of stats are collected from operating mental hospitals. The staff there is guaranteed to be misseducated and incompetent. Then there is also nig pharma skewing the numbers. This is one of the many reasons why academic psychology research is broken (and the one that makes you sound least crazy to normies if you argue with them). Wat I tell you is my own observance, wisdom, experimentation etc.Avoiding envy is my own personal wisdom and I had to discover this for survival. Envy is an emotion and people might have selective alexymia (not understanding your own emotions) for it. They dont even understand that they are envious. If you call a person out on envy, they will most likely deny it. Dont confuse it with being jealous, its something completely different. You notice envy when you try to make yourself appear more likable. People start hating you. They are like the agents from the matrix, once they feel you are a good person they hate you for that. Envy is the prinary motivator of narcissist personality disorder. All their behavior becomes clear when you understand it. Its the narcissists curse. Narcissist personality is not to be confused with blown up ego or arrogance. We are talking clinically relevant concepts here. But if you thought that you being unpopular is your fault, it might be thats it's just you being non-envious and blind to peoples covert hatered of your kindness.
something schizo types don't understand is that pretending is something even animals do socially (think play fighting)schizos are too traumatized and stuck in their thought patterns to be genuinely playful, and this is the root of their disconnect with other people. schizos place a premium on the value of "truth" as a way to make up for their social shortcomings, and normalfags find it exhausting and boring. >"is he really going to call me out every time i make a joke?"the reality is their strengths complement yours and a healthy social environment would be able to integrate and account for both social types. learn to be more playful and learn to use and tolerate white lies with a flirty smile and you'll make immense progress navigating the social realm
>>41497501>give people control over your romantic feelings who find playful delight in deceiving youpeak wisdom
>>41478368Its like you cant become successful politician and be known to be mentally sick, because people will not like you and will not vote for you.Noo, it must be something else.
>>41497920>Its like you cant become successful politician and be known to be mentally sickMany antisocial politicians and people still vote for them. That politicians are lying scum is common knowledge, yet people vote for them. Joe Biden is known to have dementia and people vote for him. What was you point again?
>>41492387>>41497920>>41498411Keep in mind that 50% of people are feelers, not thinkers. Why couldn't a schiophrenic lie his way up the ladder? Many examples of genious level IQ schizophrenics, none of them politicians. Schizotypy can make you delusional while you are still 100% functional, people dont notice. Yet there simply is no presence of schizos among politicians.
What are your thoughts on ADHD potentially being a series of trauma responses from early development when parents did not accurately reflect their child's needs, which led to their reward pathways/dopamine receptors not developing properly? Many "deeper" ADHD symptoms, such as rejection-sensitive dysphoria (RSD), are literally BPD/C-PTSD symptoms. This is completely anecdotal, of course, but out of the 20–30 people I met with ADHD, all of them eventually told me they had a shitty childhood in one way or another. If someone says they don't remember anything bad, keep in mind that young children are very receptive. Even growing up with "nice" parents, but with lots of stress around the house (e.g., work or financial reasons), can result in trauma.>But it's visible in brain scans, it's a fundamental brain differencePTSD shows up in brain scans too, yet it's not something one is born with. Trauma can change or stunt brain wiring.
>>41478368I have a roommate who has admitted to envy who is a little bit off in some ways. Other than Dark Triad, what are some things to be wary of with him?
>>41499157All illnesses are essentially a form of C-PTSD, otherwise its a neurodivergency. All of your psychology sonehow correletaes with your brain structure. One thing I noticed is that psychopaths tend to get dementia of the prefrontal cortex, your logic center. I wouldn't be surprised if it's habitual lying that gives you that sort of brain damage.
>>41499641Understand that he projects all of his immaturity onto you. If he accuses you of something its because he himself recognizes his own behavior in you. Narcissists believe that that absolutely everyone around them is like them, they are delusional in their own way. Same with marchiavellians who make up the bulk of envious people. Narcissists are pathetic goblins who try to one up you all the time, marchiavellians simply have the mentality that morality is all about playing pretend. Psychopathy often goes together with sadism. Dark triad itself is a spectrum of neurodivergency and you can expect envious people to have all traits to some degree. Most people simply adapt to the environment and numb themselves to morality, dark triads genuinely enjoy being dark.
>>41478368Schizos are 99% against evil. Imagine understanding evil your entire life and watching them smile in your face.
>>41501596Just by paying attention to what people project onto you and what they hide from you its possible to predict most of their dispositions.
>>41501596Red flags for dark triads:Marchiavellians are overtly nice. If they call you friend they want to scam you. If they call you brother they already scammed you. They mostly resemble histrionic personality disorder.Narcissists breath braggery. They think you envy them like they envy you and will lie and pretend to make you envious. They are cowards and only pick on you if you dont threaten to expose them.Psychopaths see the world in terms of dominance and opportunism. They are most dangerous as an immediate threat because they are unpredicatble, but psychoathy goes hand in hand with impaired strategic thinking.
A rather obscure diagnosis is F60.81 passive aggressive personality disorder. Its right below F60.80 narcissist personality disorder. Whiny bitch complaining about being mistreated and being a hypocrite all the time. Narcissist except depicts herself as a thing to pity, not to envy. A bit more nasty since they prey on empathy.
>>41501596To what extent can narcissism be cured?If background helps, he had an uneventful childhood (no major traumas or issues), although I think his dad was largely not there. He seems to take after his mom more, and he has what I've recognized as a more female way of thinking.Your point about him projecting his narcissism onto me makes so much sense. I had been diagnosing his behavior as more feminine, in the sense that he reacts to images projected into his head that he lacks control over, but maybe this needs to go in a different category. Both causes result in that unexplainable projection and jumping to conclusions.
Schizophrenia does not exist.
>>41501938>Psychopaths see the world in terms of dominance and opportunism.What if you are not a psychopath but still see the world in largely this way? As an adult, I've tried to redpill myself over and over to the fact that the world _actually_ works this way, so I'm very interested in the subject, but I don't usually try to manipulate people and don't do it for thrills.
>>41502243>To what extent can narcissism be cured?Its terminal. Its their modus operandi. You will only teach them to hide it.>Schizophrenia does not existIf you believe this you are a bot>but I don't usually try to manipulate people and don't do it for thrillsBeing disillusioned with the world doesn't make you a psycho
>>41502243>I had been diagnosing his behavior as more feminine, in the sense that he reacts to images projected into his head that he lacks control over, but maybe this needs to go in a different category. Both causes result in that unexplainable projection and jumping to conclusions.Yea no that doesnt make sense the way you define it. Dont gender what goes beyond the libido. Things like reacting to your own projections are universal. Only thing you can assume is that men have better analytical skills and women higher emotional intelligence.
The true scary part is that in all upper class socio, political and economic sectorsPsychopaths, sociopaths, narcissist and various crazed high level psychopathy control all major important rolesIt's like surgeons You need a certain type of person to work very well under very gruesome conditions
>>41503910>You need a certain type of person to work very well under very gruesome conditionsPerhaps one way of describing this type of person:Spiritually skilled without needing to be enlightened. Or, enlightened without learning any lessons along the way.Normal people learn humility when they fail, which not only makes them better with decisions but also enriches their life.These people you describe develop skills but don't fail, which means their life isn't enriched by anything besides success, which means they are kings of the jungle but only know the law of the jungle.
>>41478388A delusional one, fosho.
>>41496812Always felt this opposites with meds specially with stimulants and depressants that is why I started avoiding pharma like the plague
>>41504242Be your own doctor
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>>41504650spiritual healing is all we need
>>41505517Dont ignore that you live in a material world
