>>41494028
meditation is brown

Sit in a position that is comfortable to you and that won't distract you.
Close your eyes.
Clear your mind and focus on your breathing.
Listen to the world within and outside of you without judgement. You are but a passerby observing the world, not an actor who must interact with it.

There's not much to it. Certainly not enough that you need a whole book for it.

https://files.catbox.moe/aujn3g.pdf
>the_most_rapid_and_direct_means_to_eternal_bliss.pdf

Chapter 7 is where the meditation practice which is the core of the book is described, but the whole thing is worth reading.

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Does anyone have some good works on OBEs or Astral projection induced by meditation?

I'm looking for more advanced works. Not looking for a quick and easy way, but some stuff that analyzes it and goes into the various ways of inducing it

>>41496010
In the Dark Places of Wisdom by Peter Kingsley

>>41494972
olfactoryanon approves of chapter 7's focus on awareness

kek, I always forget to remove the sage after I've used it

>>41494972
its difficult to emphasize how important the focus of awareness is
but without conditioning the body, things remain too noisy to properly focus on awareness fully
I'll need to finish my works and I apologize for doing too many other things and taking too long to write
because one will not read the things olfactoryanon teaches anywhere else
its all in accord with the proper fundamentals of course,
but there's just quite frankly deeper knowledge on anatomy and neurology available today than there was at any prior points to where people would have these insights
thus these refinements are possible

>>41494972
this is not a bad book. it's nice. it has a bit of magical thinking like eternal life, but it sounds legit, if simplistic.
well, it's deliberarely that simplistic to not fuel thinking too much.

>>41494972
jfc why is every point enumerated?

>>41502629
so that i can tell you to read 0.32

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>>41494986
I already fail at the first step, what does he mean by mental mantra repetition? can i just make up my own? how does this work

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>>41496010
Astral projection requires a lot of concentration and vital energy. Lucid dreaming or hypnogogia into OBE is most effective for me.

Pic related, you're welcome ;)

>>41503255
Repetition of a mantra clears the psychic/auric body. You hear and think thoughts because your auric body is disturbed, like a choppy river. Mantras normalize the flow and quiet it. Just say the word over and over loudly in your mind. Ommm-ommm-ommm-omm or inhale, repeat on exhale. Since I'm a visual person I prefer to concentrate on an image. Usually an encircled flaming pentagram. Try it for even a few minutes and feel now clean you feel. Christians can keep their crosses, the pentagram is the most powerful symbol ever invented

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>>41503291
nta but the collection looks amazing, halfway through monroes first book, cant wait to read the others. also is the castaneda one worth it? read his first book and really liked it
>>41503327
thanks dude, will give it a try

>>41494028
maybe try the works of swami saraswati, especially his meditations from the tantras

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>>41503327
So it's just about distracting yourself from brainrot noise and it can be anything? Can a rotating cursor load icon be a mantra?

>>41494028
Vijnana bhairava tantra-the ascent

>>41494028
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0N6wrQwYxQ

>>41494028
maybe try sme guided meditations on youtube

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>>41499524
What advice would you give to a person who sits and tries to calm and deepen his breath but his whole body (chest, belly, face, lower back) feel extremely tense and tight to the point that it makes the refinement of his breathing (diaphragm) extremely hard? Should he continue refining the breath and the relaxation of those other parts will come?

>>41508738
Try stretching first, taking deep breaths deep enough to you expand your chest and back and let them out slowly while stretching your back, chest, lower back, etc. You'll be able to breathe with less effort if you stretch first.

i get pain in my legs after a certain time what do i do to not get it?

>>41508738
this is what dao yins and yogas are for
definitely loosen up a bit
but also realize that's a lifestyle change too

>>41511805
exercise & stretching are important
find some yt vids on stretching for full lotus
you dont have to be able to sit full lotus, but those stretches will help
for other readers, if you are young & limber enough...dont slack, stretch enough and learn to sit full lotus

Similar to the anon above me, I have "pain" in my leg when I meditate for more than 15-20 minutes but it's not pain exactly, it's more like my legs below my knee start having an orgasm. I try not to focus on it but it becomes so unbearable after a while that I need to stand up and walk for a bit

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>>41494028
Go hard.

>>41512642
this too will pass
keep working

>>41512678
What happens if you go to sleep in the astral plane?

>>41512881
I brought my cat once and accidentally left her there, when I returned she was the size of a tiger
strange place

Great threads like this always make me wish we had a real, serious meditation/spiritual general instead of fucking succubus/nobody horseshit

>>41512584
thanks man i appreciate it. is yawning normal?

>>41514177
normal when you're tired
but if you yawn a ton then its likely indicative of some underlying chi stagnation
diet, exercise, proper sleep all resolve that for the most part

>>41514693
>chi stagnation
once again i appreciate your post thank you

>>41514712
anytime fren
>Being low in B12 may cause B12-deficiency anemia, which may cause fatigue. Iron deficiency may also cause fatigue and lead to yawning
>Chinese medicine advocates yawning as a way to help cleanse the liver and balance the energy in the liver meridian
https://xanderkahn.com/on-healing/on-yawning

>>41494028
the wording "Samadhi" caught my eye.
I have done a lot of research on what the truth is, and don't let yourself get distracted from research.
But I can really recommend you Falun Dafa.
And I would have been super happy to have known of the system earlier.
at least i would have been able to refer to it.
just listen to the audios a few times, if you are auditive. i am very much auditive and feel like a retard for not reading too much.
if you read it, in this case, it is especially important to read it all swiftly and attentively (main book - Zhuan Falun); and all of it in a short period of time. and make sure to finish reading it. if you can't finish it, don't start it.

>>41515322
>the wording "Samadhi" caught my eye
few know of it well enough to speak of it
the vast majority have only read about it
most speculate about it
but you guys here have the benefit of a regular who attained it and explains what to do to achieve it on a regular basis
you have to condition yourself very well if you want it to arise
you have to condition yourself extremely well if you want it to return
you have to streamline the body and mind with very habitual regularity if you want it to arise every day like clockwork
I just never got to the point where it was an ongoing thing outside of meditation
living with a dumb cunt that pisses you off constantly is a big detriment to cultivation, I assure you

>>41515348
>I just never got to the point where it was an ongoing thing outside of meditation

Not even for a day or some hours? Why you think this is?

Have you ever met or heard of people who achieved deep meditative states during everyday life?

Meditation os just training to focus your attention. You can focus on your breathing, your muscles, what you hear what you smell what you see, what you feel what you think.

Zen meditation is just a simple way to train the attention muscle to focus your attention on a single thing for longer and longer periods. You can then translate it to focusing it on other things, but some might find it easier to choose a different thing to train their attention focus on.

>>41516896
>Not even for a day or some hours? Why you think this is?
my experience of samahdi was formless jhanas beyond normal physical perception
when the awareness is cultivated deeply and diligently, most things pass out of perception as the great stillness arises
what makes it great (vs some normal concept of stillness) is the perceptible and palpable energy potential that lies within
conditioning the body + still mind (& neurology) + fixed awareness produces this
the energy builds underneath this great stillness, and eventually a brilliant spark of light leaps forth from it
the first time it happens, its a guarantee you'll be shocked to the point where samahdi disappears
the first time it happened to me, there was such an extreme level of joy that spontaneously arose that I had the impulse to leap from my cushion and yell yipeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!
the best part about it was that I had no idea it was coming, did not expect this at all, never heard mention of it before - it all came from me just trying to take what I was cultivating to its logical conclusions, as far as I could take 'em
took perhaps another month, month and a half to come again - but then you discover that this arising is tricky, like being thrown a hot potato, it doesnt stay readily
but after a few weeks, it came again, I held it for a very short while, but the slightest slip of focus and it disappears
as it continued to return, I learned to catch and hold the arising light - but if you have a random thought happen, it destroys samahdi
I then spent more time refining, I learned ways to detect the precursors of mind perturbation, I learned ways to reaffirm the focus to prevent any perturbations that would destroy the light
these perturbations were perceived as slight deformations in the ball of light that arises, here is where "turning the light around" helped to affirm the proper shape at the niwan
affirming the proper shape was an outcome, not an intention
1/2

>>41516896
like with all cultivation methods, it is proper to focus on the fundamentals that cause the things to arise and not the things that arise themselves
otherwise the basis for the things disappears, along with the basis, the things themselves disappear.
given that my experience of samahdi was entirely formless realm jhana (sort of the easiest most commonly used verbiage that goes along with this)
I dont have any experience of this light carrying forth beyond any case where I was not superlatively well conditioned and my awareness fixed and focused to the point that all else was nonexistent
so in reality I think I had a ways to go before it would become any sort of ongoing enlightenment experience
time isnt really experienced while in such a state, one is just sitting comfortably for a moment, the duration is experienced as a moment
I would perhaps expect that eventually sleep would be supplanted entirely by this, but I was only doing 2-3 hours per evening before sleeping for 5-6 hours
indeed, one of the times the overall energy levels faltered and samahdi stopped arriving was from trying to supplant too much of normal sleep with meditation
I've re-cultivated it a dozen times over and had it return, return, return
eventually I began to understand why serious monks go innawoods to become more successful, because modern life has many aspects that are not conducive to serious spiritual cultivation
at these "early" stages I have described to you itt, the energy that builds is delicate, precariously perched, easily destroyed by missteps
missteps can be my friend had a weekend party and I drank 3 days in a row, it can be my woman pissed me off that much, it can be my woman wont stay off muh dick
but I'm not innawoods, I'm here telling you guys how to get there
because I have this gut feeling in me that says the trickier way to do it is to do it while living a normal life
but like Mr Scott said in Star Trek 2,
>Well I guess if its important to ye, ye Make the time

>>41518301
the main idea of focusing on one thing is to learn to quiet the mind
which is a prerequisite for being able to cultivate the awareness and leave everything else aside
cultivating the awareness gets interrupted by mentation
so there's this insight to be had that thinking or any sort of mentation consumes the same root energy that's required to build up, create the great stillness, and serve as the basis for the spark of samahdi to arise from it
its why contemplation and "real meditation"/dhyana are mutually exclusive
its important for a cultivator to understand this point that they are mutually exclusive
this necessarily 100% means that if you are contemplating while on meditation time, you're just spinning your wheels and not accomplishing much
contemplate on other time
focus on awareness and all of the fundamentals that support it while on meditation time
all of these proper methods lead to a quieter mind, best done by establishing the habit of cultivation properly and sticking with it, otherwise the ruminating mind will return to its babbling proclivities
this is why the habit energy of cultivation must be very well fortified if one is to make any appreciable gains in meditation

>>41516896
>Have you ever met or heard of people who achieved deep meditative states during everyday life?
no, and deep meditative states dont really appear to be readily concurrent with everyday life
but I can grok a halo coming from it at some stage
what does arise during everyday life is...
you enter deep stages of sleep almost immediately, sleep is largely dreamless, your body doesnt move
(but when you do have a dream it is an absolute epic)
while awake, the mind is clear and calm, no random thoughts spontaneously arise at all
which should not be confused with an inability to initiate thinking
if anything, self initiated thinking is clearer, more efficient
there's just no random chatter
this is because of realized habituated efficiencies
and by realize I mean definition 2 which denotes the actual arising thereof and not any sort of intellectual understanding
indeed, what I am describing cannot be achieved by intellectual reasoning or thinking of any sort, as I mentioned above, since thinking consumes the same root energy that awareness requires to manifest these things
there are other roadsigns for this process, like when my breaths first hit 50, 55 seconds on average, I experienced a significant metabolic boost like I just finished a month's worth of a new workout routine
the body is light and comfortable, the jing firm
the smiling buddha smiles for the endocrine boost that happens, he's fat for the nerve transition from yang to yin
but as I've described doing this process many times over, subsequent immersions see these signposts happen at shorter breath durations
one of my teachers said the only thing you get to take with you when you leave here are your experiences
indeed, as the light returns, you begin to welcome it like your best old friend you've had forever and there's great contentment and subtle joy that he's arrived again to visit

Is mantra actually important for meditation? Or is it just a teaching aid to help you focus away from random-ass monkey brain thoughts?

>>41519651
>just a teaching aid to help you focus away from random-ass monkey brain thoughts
it is at root, this
but there is also the aspect of normally a mantra is associated with a particular deity or whatever
and by using it you are calling on that deity to assist you in your spiritual evolution

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>>41496010
>Not looking for a quick and easy way, but some stuff that analyzes it and goes into the various ways of inducing it

Why do you want to complicate things?

>>41519454
I don't agree. You are bundling all thinking as contemplating. I think there is passive contemplation which is commonly known as monkey mind, but that is not a focused thing.

Active imagination on the other hand is directed thinking and can be very much a target of your attention. That is what sets us apart from animals and what allows us to learn from the past and think of the future.
Read Jung for more on this. Once you can direct your mind and imagination, you can navigate in the thought realm because attention is the engine that drives you there.

>>41520339
And you think that is a good book?

>>41520723
you are missing some fundamental points about the nature of awareness itself and I highly doubt there's any selection of Jung's words you can reference that will convince me that Jung ever accomplished the things I'm talking about. (if you are so inclined, go ahead and post some if you think so, I think I'll wind up having to dismantle that also though.)
active imagination is still imagination
passive contemplation as you define it isnt even contemplation
contemplation implies direction to the thought process, just letting it go wherever it may is just daydreaming
"navigating thought realms" are still realms of thought
this still at root precludes the awareness from being focused on awareness and is instead focused on realms of thought
I'm not saying contemplation is bad except if one is doing it thinking he's cultivating the awareness, because its just really not
anyway the context of my words is samahdi, I'm telling key factors that prepare one's conditions for its arrival
you're going rather elsewhere
one should not expect to find samahdi in the places you point to
of course I did not say the avenues you point to are entirely fruitless
except unless one is looking for samahdi there

>>41520974
>>41520723
this anon reads like legit dhamma

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Olfactory anon says right things but my opinion is that many people just focus their raw awareness on their body and breath and when they manage to do that (by ignoring thoughts) then they will "magically" watch their breath correct itself and their bodies acquiring the correct posture.

All that by just focusing your awareness on your body (and especially on the parts which feel mostly tight/wrong - this will correct then, just don't analyze, just focus awareness).

It takes time and lots of sits however.

Also in many retreats I've been at there were always people who had a perfect breath, the perfect posture and the perfect lotus, and they never trained for any of it.

>>41519400
>>41519434
>>41519562
I see, thank you for taking so much time posting in all these threads, your endurance is formidable.

>>41520974
Ok you are probably right about samahdi, whatever that is. I was answering the genreral question, what is meditation? think people overcomplicate it. There are many schools of that that have all these terms and stuff. It's at the end just training to focus your attention to the point you are in control of it for longer and longer periods. At least that is what I have learned from doing it myself.

>>41494986
Reminded me of the training this guy supposedly did to contact "ET's". Talks about it 41min in.

https://youtu.be/Rfmy5oW_r9c

>>41494028
People talk about meditation like it’s some mystical superpower that unlocks hidden dimensions, but here’s the boring, practical version nobody bothers to say:

**Meditation is basically a mental diagnostic test.**
It’s the “check engine light” reader for your brain.

You sit still not because sitting still is magical, but because it’s the easiest way to see what’s actually going on under the hood without distractions screaming over it.

What it actually does:

• shows you what’s been bothering you
• shows you where your attention naturally drifts
• makes it obvious whether your routines match what you say you want
• highlights stress, avoidance, or unresolved crap you keep sidestepping

Sometimes you meditate and think, “I should really call my mom.”
Sometimes you think, “Why am I even here? I should be working out.”
Sometimes you think nothing at all, which usually means you’re exhausted.

None of that is failure.
That *is* the data.

Meditation doesn’t fix your problems.
It’s the part where you finally stop long enough to see them clearly so you can go fix them yourself.

TL;DR:
Meditation = a moment of honesty without distractions.
Everything else is marketing.

>>41519400
The first time that happened to me I had an out of body experience where I found myself in an endless white light of impossible intensity.

>>41525186
what purpose do you think copy pasting your ai slop here serves?

>>41525186
Anyone that pastes chatgpt slop like this needs to have their internet access revoked, absolutely pitiful

>>41494038
fpbp

when i try to meditate theres constant music playing in my head how do i resolve it/ take care of it?

>>41523185
np fren
had a woman ask me if I ran marathons once, kek

>>41523920
samahdi is when the spiritual light arrives, its practically the holy grail of meditation outcomes
some words I've read mistake it for enlightenment itself
and while it is certainly a precursor, enlightenment is also usually spoken of as a completion that doesnt fade
basically by denying inputs that act upon the olfactory nerve, we begin to truly build the reserves that lead to the arising of samahdi
I'm adamant about some things that are core contributors to the achievement
and as I've redone, rebuilt them a dozen times over in different practice-chunks, I've had extra time to observe these core contributors and signposts that tell you these things are building, have arrived, are in imminent danger of collapse
sometimes I appear as a word nazi because of this, but its only because I want to make sure the reader gets these crucial keypoints so as to have the best chance of success in their own endeavor
I harp on refining the breath so much because the neurological potentials generated by sense activity directly contribute to the energy remainder that builds in the brain and unleashes a random thought when said potential gains enough juice.
there's a threshold of energy remainder that can take place, any higher and it gains the ability to leave the midbrain and jump into higher brain centers to fulfill the thought-impulse
the focus of awareness lessens this energy remainder
but if the energy remainder from inefficient sense processing just keeps adding up, it gets harder and harder for the awareness to fully rectify the discrepancy
so by highly streamlined mechanics, we necessarily lessen the rate that the energy remainder builds up
and indeed we can lessen it to the point where awareness can fully resolve the rest
yall might find it strange, if you ever reach the point where you can understand how much energy the senses consume
it is decidedly not insignificant
this is just another level of "preventing energy leakages" that you read about in many places

>Mfw this thread and literally no mention of Sunyata

Lol lmao

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Meditation will make you psychotic, because you misalign your neurons during the process and break the established behavioural patterns that make up your psyche.

To learn to meditate is to learn how to break what you are. Start with that

Yes there's a book

https://youtu.be/Rds0VZYNEy8?si=kvmif_KrKDuI5Fg8

If you don't want an audiobook google the title it's available as a PDF

>>41523920
it is difficult to give a precise definition for samahdi, though
but it is a state of superlatively high efficiency
it is highly restorative, when one is at the stage of having it return every day, it is like a sparkly glowy energy bath
the body winds up craving it towards the end of the day like your cat knowing its getting a treat
I study a lot of random physics type stuff and discovered a QM experiment that had some interesting correlations, it related to combining probability amplitudes
basically if the timing is off, you add the amplitudes and subtract for phase discrepancy
but an interesting thing is, once the timing is right, the equation changes slightly and allows for a higher result
but another jump comes when certain information about individual events are obscured, the equation changes again and allows for an even higher result
this relates to practice in that not having the coherence, you dont get the constructive amplification
aligning properly, the constructive amplification comes
but when the muscle memory is so good that the entire physical process is more or less relegated to autonomous processes, that's when maximal mental capital is available to direct towards awareness itself
once these things are fulfilled then the great stillness should arrive where all physical phenomena begin to fall away and there's palpable energy in the stillness
refined further is where the spark of spiritual light leaps from the great stillness, the spark of yang arising from the depths of yin
it just winds up being that mentation precludes most of this from ever happening
so I try to make these points as clearly as possible, these advanced places are right there, you just have to do things properly
its why I began my whole breathwork endeavor with..."what's the right way to take a breath, what's the most efficient way"

>>41494028
close your eyes and manifest a good comfy world

>>41525186
chatgpt tier slop aside, this is exactly the sort of approach I am saying puts a glass ceiling on your efforts and is largely a recipe to get nowhere, and nothing out of meditation except for maybe figuring out where some life things are going for you.
I cannot stress enough that meditation is not contemplation and if one conflates the two and sits there contemplating, one will never achieve any real fruits of meditation

>>41525765
>when i try to meditate theres constant music playing in my head how do i resolve it/ take care of it?
understand that the early stages of breathwork are a proprioception exercise
you put the full weight of your awareness into feeling the timing of your guts
every time a song starts up, stop it and feeeeeeel out the timing of your breath in the gut
it just winds up being that you have built up this musical habit energy
I get it, I'm a musician too
but you just need to directly force it to stop, and one of the best vehicles to do so is breath proprioception
think of it in terms of habit-energies
there's no such thing as an anti-habit
there's only replacing one habit with another
so the idea is to lessen the habit energy of songs and cultivate the habit energy of breathwork
once the new habit-energy has become strong, the nerves are programmed, the muscle memory solid...you'll be at a point where tunes disturb you less

>>41526223
/smiles
some details are not crucial

>>41526254
According to the book I posted you do contemplation after shifting, which is basically so much control over the breath that you perceive it comes from nowhere, and leaves to no trace.

1) Start with counting each breath (each inhale and exhale) to 10
2) then follow flow
3) then fixed point of consciousness at nostrils, pushing breath from each organ (nostrils, throat, lungs, heart) down to stomach, and back
4) then shifting
5) contemplation
6) purification
7) mindfulness of body
8) mindfulness of mind

I'd imagine this would take most of you about 3 months

>>41526283
>According to the book I posted you do contemplation after shifting, which is basically so much control over the breath that you perceive it comes from nowhere, and leaves to no trace
contemplation should just plainly and simply not be done during meditation. afterward is fine I guess, but its just not necessary
>comes from nowhere
this is pretty much the only reason I responded to the post, because once the breath is subtle enough that the olfactory nerves are not triggered by the flow of air, the stomach does rise and fall with no sensation of air entering
I dont encourage counting, its just mentation, labeling things, extra unnecessary mental processing
the air should flow through the nose but none of the structures that touch air should have any involvement in moving the air through the system
there's no need to focus on the nose, it only serves to help draw air to the olfactory nerves, which we're trying to have that not happen
pushing breath from each organ is getting into other cultivation practices, its not necessary for stillness meditation at all
things like shifting are not well defined enough to be useful,
purification is an outcome
mindfulness of body and mind are just part and parcel of every step
many sets of instructions I see posted have a lot of this superfluous crap in them that are either unnecessary or outright counterproductive

>>41526323
Oh the olfactory nerves

olfactory anon do you have disc, for months ive encountered you in these threads and adoration considered i wanna be pals now

>>41526366
namaste fren
9CFzDxCg

>>41526283
>purification is an outcome
its also important to note that outcomes cannot be forced
things like samahdi cant be forced to arise
there is only arranging their conditions for their arrival
the rest is the probability equation
you are part of the experiment
>its as easy as turning one's hands over
when the conditions are that well arranged

>>41526481
WHAT
Olfactory anon has a disc???
I asked you for email a year or so ago and you said no but at leat I can have your disc!!