Ah yes, after Jesus broke the Jewish covenant he decides to make Greeks and Slavs his new chosen people.

>>41506270
>physical is fake
>concept of Maya
It's never been about the physical world being fake. It's about it not being what it seems.
>Ancient Greek philosophers
The Ancient Greek philosophers were pagans. Even the Neoplatonists, whom Christians and Kabbalists admire, worshipped the gods. It's very clear to me that you are being disingenuous and biased.

>>41506270
Christcuckery but with a fetish for bearded daddy figures.

I follow the teachings of Jesus, not a Roman cult founded by Paul.

>>41506457

Why is Paul always your scapegoat? I mean John would have made much more sense as he was the one to directly say He is God

Provide proof. You know, basic logic into that arguement.

Or am I asking too much from retarted gnostics?

>>41506444

what

>>41506270
orthodox is pretty high on my tier list but not higher than gnosticism or folk religion

>>41506453

"I didn't lose, I merely failed to win"

>Ancient Greek philosophers weren't monotheists

Sheesh. Do some research instead of scrolling on /x/ for oncs.

>>41506453
>>41506454

Re and tard over here

>they constantly discredit gnosticism
>hmm

>>41506515 Cope. The Ancient Greek philosophers were pagans.

>>41506270
If these retarded bad-faith apologetics are the best you can offer, it's clear that Orthodoxy doesn't really offer spiritual or psychological maturity.

>>41506515
>Monotheists
Wrong
https://www.faculty.umb.edu/gary_zabel/Courses/Phil%20281b/Philosophy%20of%20Magic/Arcana/Neoplatonism/Emanation%20and%20Triads.htm

>>41506270
>t. hylic

>>41506477
Jesus Christ is the face of God.

Every orthodox nation is a shithole with shithole people and shithole cultures of which orthodoxy itself is a large part of. Clearly, if god exists and he actually is your semetic dune coon god, he does not bless you. I'm more inclined to say that he hates you. Other than that, and more importantly, I simply don't want to be associated with them for the reason stated above, anymore than I would want to be associated with jews, jeets or inbred saudi. The short of it is; you're losers and nobody likes losers.

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>>41506444
Korean Jesus should never do that.

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>>41506270
look at the state of greeks and orthodox slavs today
maybe compare them with the state of catholic slavs
you must be insane, orthodox christianity has some benefits and stuff (if you are the top 1% of an orthodox country lol) but otherwise it's unironically street shitter tier

80% of the orthodox character is talking shit about catholics, and 20% is street shitter spirituality

not that catholics are so much better, but at least they are not shit-guzzling hypocrites who will rat you out in 2 seconds flat to the first passer-by pretending to be a glownigger

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>>41506270
begone orthodog

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>>41506831
this is a gnosticat website

>>41506641

It's a 4chan thread anon. What did you expect? Me to write the most perfect apologetics there is?

Besides, that's a job for a monk from Mt Athos that lives in a cave and wears nothing except a rag around his private parts

Arent those the ones that continue to push retarded Mary veneration? Given her more relevance than she deserves? Yeah, I will not venerate Venus

>>41506845
>orthodog acknowledging they are 'nosticks
big surprise

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>>41506885 Hail Hathor! Your lack of reverence for the sacred feminine is one reason for Christianity's decline.

>>41506949
Christianity is more feminine than masculine seeing as how it makes a huge deal about killing off Jesus. I neither support the Judaic branches, but much less the virtually non-existing divine feminine.

What you think is her it's just you getting your emotions manipulated by entities to adopt and accept certain things.

I don't think I will faggot! Nice try though!

>>41506853
If you want to logically persuade your opponents, you should not revert to fallacies, strawmans, and Jesuit level casuistry.

Out of love, I'm gonna show you how dumb every one of your arguments are

>All the evidence for Gnosticism is made up
Just factually incorrect, ever heard of the Nag Hamadi library? And basic linguistic and historical study will show you that things are not that simple - it looks like there was a spectrum of Christianity, one which had heavy influence from Greek religion / mystery cults and the other which was heavily Judaized. In fact, "Gnosticism" is a misnomer and tends to be a caricature of groups that were heavily Greek, many misinterpreting the idea of the Monad and the Demiurge.

Just compare the Ascension of Isaiah (heavily Jewish) to the Apophasis Megale (heavily Greek), it's night and day.

Did you also know that the word "mystery" as used in the New Testament is the same exact word as "sacrament" in the Latin Vulgate? The "mystery" of the woman giving birth in Revelation 12 is a "Sacrament." That's why it's sometimes translated as "sign."

Did Paul, John, or the Evangelists believe in Seven Mysteries and Seven Mysteries alone?

>Autism
Ad-hominem

>Vedic straight up refutes itself
This is a strawman of Hinduism and isn't actually what Hindus believe

>Paganism is dumb, Greeks were monotheists
Read the article I sent you. No they weren't. Have you ever read Pseudo-Dionysus? He's just applying Plotinus to Christianity. The Greeks didn't "refute" paganism. On the contrary, they tried to make sense of it in very intellectual terms, which is much needed in our era of nonsense Biblical literalism.

>Islam pedophilia
And Abraham did the same thing with Agar at 9 years old. The Protoevangelium of James says Mary was 12 when she gave birth and married Joseph.

>Judaism
You mean what Jesus your God was? The Rabbi who was circumcized and put to death by the Sanhedrin for blasphemy while celebrating passover? Hebrew Moshiach?

>>41506270
>Papists and Prots
Ad-hominem

>>41507398
> If you want to logically persuade your opponents, you should not revert to fallacies, strawmans, and Jesuit level casuistry.
You're wasting your breath, Nobody believes a jewish man is the All Mighty incarnate anymore than someone could decieve themselves into claiming to believe that vishnu jerked out humanity from his nut, It's nonsense & Comfortability

“If someone proved to me that Christ is outside the truth and that in reality the truth were outside of Christ, then I should prefer to remain with Christ rather than with the truth.”

― Fyodor Dostoevsky, Complete Letters, 1868-1871

If these are the words of the best of them, then what does that tell you?
when a renouned orthodog philospher chooses comfort over truth.

ps: it's strange how they never provide theological arguments against Islam, just moral ones which they cannot affirm themselves due to abscence of evidence in their own book

>>41506270
Oh look. It's that time again. When you look at the clock the way we taught you so we can laugh and say it's not the right time. Why do you keep checking it? Are you paranoid?

>>41507086 In that case, we will have to deal with the likes of you too. You are no different than the people you distance yourself from. You are a spiritual Christian, kek.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EvPBfa_CEo

>>41507497
I think Islam pragmatically speaking is way worse than Orthodoxy. But that's just me

>>41507497
I mean, I do not want to live in a world with Islam slave sodomy culture, women in burkas, goat sacrifice, and polygamous elites.

Islam is literally just worse more incoherent Judaism. No, I don't want to throw rocks at women having sex.

Islam is caricaturized by its preservation of barbaric Arab practices that got imbedded into the religion.

No, give me Ancient Rome and Greece.

>>41507497
And all the problems of Christianity apply equally to Islam.

Tell me, where's the evidence of a 6000 year old flood? Of Moses and the Israelites? The 12 tribes? There is none, because it's Hellenic revisionism of an already Zoroastrianized version of Canaanite polytheism

>>41507497
Sorry, 6000 year old Earth and a 2700 year old flood

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>>41507996
I'm not speaking of personal preference/subjective ethics, just theological arguments which aren't provided & even ignored.
>>41508027
> I don't want slavery, polygyny & modesty
this is sort of what I was referring to, you cannot really rebuke this without an objective framework in which we fight each other on
though for the sake of the arugment
sodomy would be less common with shariah
women aren't stoned for sex, the punishment for premarital affairs & extra marital/adultery are equal for men and women
fornicating men & women are lashed publically
adulterers are given death
nothing unique from the ot, nothing literal jews & christians can call evil
> Islam is literally just worse more incoherent Judaism.
IMO this is only a take from people who have a bias Against the Exclusion of Islam which is just as significant as it's Exclusion
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Wala%27_wal-Bara%27
It's invalid to say goyim = kuffar
nobody does this with infidels on the christian side, given they are more chill (meaning they don't care for faith and it's consequences) about preaching and getting their "friends" away from hell
>>41508037
this is a Fallacious standard given the Quran isn't a historical book, I would say the same for the bible if it didn't try to mimic one with chronology and contradictory reports
We literally cannot prove anything from that time, It's not different to what scientists, it's pure conjecture, that's what faith is, will you trust labcoat people scanning the ground or what God says, that's how I see it, and ofcourse God's account is falsifiable

>>41508171
>I'm not speaking to preference / subjective ethics
Morality is self-evidently not rooted in divine revelation or some external motion of God - if God commanded you to kill your child, most people would be cautious of that, consider that schizophrenia. Likewise, most reasonable people believe that in some sense morality has to have some consistency - if God decided one day rape of little boys is okay, most people wouldn't go "hur de due let's rape little boys"

I hold to a Kantian Evolutionary sense of morality, which is to say that morality formed as a framework to advance social cooperation and make civilization function. Is there a potential, spiritual, higher Platonic ideal which this morality comes from? Sure. But it certainly didn't come from God literally telling some Sand dweller that he is to have a harem.

>Objective framework
I just provided one for you.
>For the sake of argument
This is a equivocation fallacy. Just because theres some basic overlap between the norms of Western Civilization and the Muslim world doesn't mean that the Muslim world is equivalent or desired.

I'm sure there's some Africans with discs in their mouths who hate sodomy, does that mean we should live naked in mud huts? No.

>Muh Bible has these things

The Bible is mythology. Look at the work of Gad Barnea or Yonata Adler - it's pretty self evident the Bible as we know it is a product of Zoroastrians and Greeks retconning Semitic stories. At some level, we would not have the Bible without Western Civilization and Indo-Europeans imposing it's norms on the Jews. The Bible didn't establish foundational norms for Western Civilization - quite the opposite. Western Civilization provided the norms for the Bible.

Rome was doing just find without the Bible or Christianity. Certainly though, I appreciate the Biblical mythology's influence on Western culture, but it's a product of Jews living under Greco-Roman rule.

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>>41508171
>Judaism
The Quran literally has a one to one quote from the Talmud. And some of the worse aspects of Judaism found its way into Islam - Draconian death sentences, ridiculous modesty standards, hatred of art and music ("idolatry!"), mandatory circumcision, no pork, no alcohol, even some really basic Talmudic / Kabbalistic ideas are found in Islam that are obviously stolen from Judaism - Arabic as an eternal divine language that pre-existed creation (Jews believe the same as Hebrew), Yahweh having an angel that acts on his behalf given his inaccessibility as a man, etc.

The thing is with Judaism is that they never really had the opportunity to seize institutional power and play out their ridiculous standards - Islam has.

>Quran isn't a historical book
Islam still follows Biblical chronology.

>Which do you trust, scientists or ancient book
Scientists, because they have more convincing arguments and evidence.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=24WbQkRx2_8&pp=ygUiV2h5IGFyY2hlb2xvZ3kgZGlzcHJvdmVzIHRoZSBmbG9vZA%3D%3D

Which isn't to say that there isn't some truth to the Bible or Quran historically, but it's heavily idealized / mythologized history and we need to stop treating it so fucking literally.

You can find the ideals within the stories and learn from them without throwing stones at women because the magical circumcision deity is whispering for you to do so.

>>41508429
>Greeks and Zoroastrians
I meant to say Jews heavily influenced by Greeks and Zoroastrians.

This is self-evident just from reading Philo of Alexandria - why are Jews practicing Greek Pythagorean numerology with Hebrew letters? It's because they were that influenced by the Greeks.

>>41506270
Xtians are fucking annoying.

Yeah I was actually thinking about this I intent to join a church on Wednesday. The only bad thing is that the closest orthodox church that's in english is so far away!

>>41508429
> Morality is self-evident
Absolutely Anon! You're almost there, "the law is written in the heart" have a read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitra
This Naturally Inclined Morality is also centered around the belief of Monotheism, it's why Children believe in ghosts too.
> - if God commanded you to kill your child, most people would be cautious of that
Also true given he wouldn't command injustice and oppression, Murder is known to be Wrong Inherently, Killing? Not so much, So this example is contradictory since God prohibited this in all abrahamic texts atleast which are practically the only ones with objectivity, with that said you've reminded me of an interesting story worthy of referencing about a Muslim Saint who was struck with this exact conondrum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFfBRpiYmNE


>Objective framework
>I just provided one for you.
You didn't though Anon, couple things worth noting
> Evolutionary
Meaning you affirm the Reality of a Darwinist Survivalist development, in other words, there's no argument against killing the useless elderly (parasites) Given they provide absolutely nothing and rather take from those useful (youthful) and this is seen in the animal world, to be against the death of your useless grandparents refutes evo-psychology and thus your worldview as subjective
another thing
> most people wouldn't go "hur de due let's rape little boys"
> '''MOST'''
Tells you enough, From the view of the Pederast & their society, how can you know they innately object to it when they say otherwise and so do most people who don't believe or DO believe in the OT & NT (as they reject what was moral in it slavery/concubinage/expansion etc.)
> Is there a potential, spiritual, higher Platonic ideal which this morality comes from? Sure but it doesn't matter broooo
No, actually this is ALL that Matters, without this Central Source then the moral framework stands on nothing, If it isn't from the All Knowing, Most Wise, then it's Fallible 1/2

>>41508429
>>41511901
>
I'm sure there's some Africans with discs in their mouths who hate sodomy, does that mean we should live naked in mud huts? No.
Good Question, Ignoring the Mutilation, Why exactly shouldn't you live in a hut? How is it you deemed technological development & material comfort as a Moral Good? You don't even have an objective standard for what is defined as societal progress, the west is improving no? there are more advances to tech but the society is sick, shouldn't we take a play from these hutus or whatever who live and eat from nature (not defending nudity)
>>41508484
> The Quran literally has a one to one quote from the Talmud.
This is really is dependant on your view of Jewish Historicity but even most normie christians understand know the Talmudic Commentary is reactionary and recent to christian theological developments, It came after the Quran & it isn't much of a point to say jews orally preserved some things God said
given you know... those "word for word" (rather semetic root for root) are specified to be directed to the people of Israel and not others & there's a lesson in that (Broken Covenant)
> Death Penalty
You had this all over europe before Judeo WW2 anon, Ironically it was the east who were the first to quit
> Riduclous modesty
In prespective to what you see outside, is it really anon?
> hatred of art and music ("idolatry!")
Hatred of Depicting living creation* Anon
You know like the Second Commandment
It's unfair to act as this is the only form of "art"
> Arabic as an eternal divine language that pre-existed creation
tbf from what I understand, this is actually true for all langauges (being from God) though Semetic Tongues are favoured by God (used in scripture)
> Yahweh having an angel that acts on his behalf given his inaccessibility as a man
I think you misread the Quran
>Quran isn't a historical book
> Islam still follows Biblical chronology.
it diverges & correct it's historicity -

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>>41511921
For example at the time of Joseph, the Bible refers to Ruler of Egypt as the Pharoah but this wouldn't be True until the New Kingdom & the Quran refers to him as the King of Egypt but when speaking of the Tyrant at the time of Moses calls him "the Pharoah"

>>41508511
> I meant to say Jews heavily influenced by Greeks and Zoroastrians.
Very Interesting statement
I'm inclined to Agree Anon
the Syriac Legend of Alexander the Great (undated but translated to Arabic after the Quran was Revealed) has many similarities to the Cyrus the Great/Dhu al Qarnayn
Any book recommendations on this topic?

>>41511941
You're right anon but it would have been sufficient to say The Jews and Christians each claim that none will enter Paradise except those of their own faith yet both believe in the same book
pic not related

>>41511901
>Self evident
Completely misconstrues what I'm saying in bad faith. Juvenile mental state, this is why we don't need Islam or other barbaric desert religions - we need fully mature and developed individuals running our institutions, not people with this stunted of a psyche.

>God wouldn't command injustice and oppression
Doesn't God command the Israelites to slaughter people? And doesn't he do the same with Muhammad? If you're saying that's irrelevant because "God," that's tautological and doesn't provide morality as anything objective. It's on the whims of some Iron Age war deity.

>Objective framework
Yes I did, Evolutionary Kantianism which is a reflection of a higher spiritual / Platonic ideal.

>Darwinism survivalism, killing the elderly
Yes there is, such disdain of the elderly doesn't advance civilization, and when we look at the models of successful civilization (i.e., Rome), they didn't disdain the elderly. On the contrary, they venerated their ancestors. Needlessly killing people like that doesn't advance civilization. The fact that you immediately go to "old people as parasites, we would kill them if God didn't forbid us" reveals a lot about who you are, not me

>Pederast
Because pederasty doesn't advance civilization, it enforced trauma on young people and prevents them from developing in socially beneficial ways. It's actually one of the reasons why Pakistanis leave their culture to go to the West, because of rampant pedantry. It's one of the reasons why the Muslim world is objectively inferior.

>The Talmud was copying the Quran or what God literally said
Do you literally believe the Quran is literally God's speech? That's ridiculous. No sane person in the 21st century believes something so ridiculous - not even the Iron Age Jews believed in something so absurd.

Also, Lmao. So you would follow the Talmud if God commanded you to?

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>>41511921
>African mud huts

So I can't use basic logic and reasoning to determine that it isn't desirable to live in such garbage conditions? I need the Arabic deity and the Arabic holy text to tell me that it isn't desirable? I'll place the same question to you - what if Allah commanded you to live in an African mud hut, through his 1500 year old dark ages text? Would you do so because Allah knows what's best for you?

What if Allah isn't even the true God and African animist spirits are the truth? Would you do it then?

>Modesty
I would rather live in the modern world with women dressed the way they do than live in Burka land. Sorry not sorry

>Hatred of music and art
Nietzsche (and I agree) that this iconoclasm is rooted in a psychological resentment at laugh and beauty. "He who sees evil everywhere has evil within," likewise only someone psychologically depraved hates images of humanity at their most beautiful. The ridiculousness of Abrahamic iconoclasm is you can't help but anthropomorphize God anyways, you depict him as a monarchical figure, an Old man with a beard.

>Death penalty
Not what I said, I said Draconian death penalty laws and throwing rocks at women. Europe was never that level of bad, even when it got pretty theologically autocratic.

>Semitic languages are favored by the omnipotent God
Lmao, could it be because the people who invented God spoke such languages?

>Quran corrects it's historicity
Lmao

>>41511930
Nobody can properly date which Pharaoh the Exodus story happened under, because the Bible's claimed time doesn't match up with history. Additionally, the dates in the Bible aren't probably accurate anyways, because until the Hebrews met the Greeks, the Hebrews used a sexegesimal counting system that's so complicated that it's likely inaccurate translation wise. We do know Pharaoh Ramseses II wrote a record designating the "Israelites" as his enemies around the 14th century BC, but it's listed among other peoples he waged war with, it doesn't seem to be any kind of exodus. There was a period of Egypt's history where a bunch of Canaanites seized power for 100 years before being expelled by Pharaoh "Ahmose I" in the 16th century BC, which vaguely matches the Joseph story. But either one you choose runs into a host of problems historically, especially with Biblical anarchisms.

>>41512121
*Anachronisms

>>41511936
Let me make it clear what I'm saying - Abrahamism as we know it didn't exist until the Greeks conquered Israel. Before that, Jews were likely practicing a form of Zoroastrianism which was mapped onto their deity Yahweh, and before that they were practicing Canaanite polytheism with Yahweh as their henotheistic deity.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEEhqRxfFck&pp=ygUcR2FkIGJhcm5lYSBnbm9zdGljIGluZm9ybWFudA%3D%3D

>>41512052
> Doesn't God command the Israelites to slaughter people? And doesn't he do the same with Muhammad?
That isn't Oppression but Emancipation, the Real Liberation of Humanity, they are given a Choice, Accept & Testify the Truth that God is One or deny reality and thus have your life or freedom denied
Oppression would subjugating people for what they are not at fault for (being male/female, black/white, handicapped etc)
> Yes there is, such disdain of the elderly doesn't advance civilization, and when we look at the models of successful civilization (i.e., Rome)
Wrong, Killing the Elderly puts more money into the Pockets of the Youth and the Newly Wed, It's Objectively Beneficial just as Usury is Objectively going to Increase GDP but that is Not a Moral Good, It's Evil!
If Rome is your Framework of a "Successful Civilisation" then you shouldn't take issue with slavery & pederasty

You've yet to provide how this vague goal of "advancing society" is our purpose or even beneficial so I won't get drawn into the hairs of pulling statistics comparing the abuse within western institutions to the MENA, though I'd never argue "church wrong because catholics diddled me" just a non-argument, Pakistan is under a Secular Constitution, It's not established under Shariah, ISIS would be a better example.
> Do you literally believe the Quran is literally God's speech?
You cannot be a Muslim otherwise
> No sane person in the 21st century believes something so ridiculous
Ad-hom
> So you would follow the Talmud if God commanded you to?
Yes.

>>41512079
> So I can't use basic logic and reasoning to determine that it isn't desirable to live in such garbage conditions?
You Absolutely can Anon but that was never my point, rather that what's desirable or not doesn't equate to being what we ought to do,hedonism is desirable in the moment but when thinking of the afterlife, not so much.

>>41506270
I've literally come to the same conclusion. There's a town 15 minutes away from me with an Orthodox church and I'm going to my first mass this Sunday. Deus Ubique Est.

>>41512079
>>41512711
> If the All Knowing God told you to live in a Mud hut would you
the Fact you genuinely ask this is concerning, How could I argue even? with my finite human logic, I would submit, the question being an option itself is illogical to anyone not possessed by the spirit of materialism.
> I would rather live in the modern world with women dressed the way they do
Yet you speak of Societal Advancement, this is the picture-perfect example of how you're misguided, You can't even comprehend the effects women flaunting themselves have on men
Understandably, it's why we should Follow God on how to run society, We will ALWAYS make Mistakes, We are fallible & the Romans Fell but Theocracies Re-ermerge & Transcend
> Nietzsche (and I agree) that this iconoclasm is rooted in a psychological resentment at laugh and beauty.
Counter-argument:
The Only True and Lasting Beauty is the Creation of God, Nature with it's Uniformity, Eternal Heaven & EVEN Hell with it's Utter Utility, All Man-Made creations, whilst some hold beauty by imitating god are temporary and most are utterly trash and ugly & that's just Architecture not even referring to paintings which are absolutely Evil.
> The ridiculousness of Abrahamic iconoclasm is you can't help but anthropomorphize God anyways, you depict him as a monarchical figure, an Old man with a beard.
This is Absolutely Laughable to anyone who's Studied Orthodox Islam, really, if someone even claimed or depicted Allah as that, It's more humorous than it is Infuriatingly Blasphemous and I'd solely punch them in the face to save my own face if that makes sense.
> Not what I said, I said Draconian death penalty laws and throwing rocks at women.
Not sure why you specified women when it's not unique to them but tbf those were the tools for the time, IMO It should be Firing Squad in the Modern day, since Stones & Bullets are the Same punishment using QIyas (analogical reasoning) & scholars would agree.

>>41506823
>"orthodox have catholics living in their heads rent free"
>anon having "street shitters" living in his head rent free
anon...

>>41512744
I have no further discussion at this point. I think your beliefs are retarded and not really worth further discussin. Sorry Anon you grew up in something as backward as Islam.

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>>41506270
Incredibly juvenile post. Your understanding of religion and christianity is obviously patched up from every tiktok edit you've watched and who your favorite twitter profiles are. This is obvious to anyone with a brain that isn't mindraped by zoomerslop like you are. You are not going to be Orthodox for life. You are going to eventually apostatize and maybe hop to another religion sometime in the future. Mark my words. And the only reason anyone in the Western world knows about eastern orthodoxy is because it was popularized by pic related who discovered it after sucking a Russian guy's cock and thought it was the perfect template for him to build up his own epic exotic ""mystical"" religion that is unlike the religion of traditionally eastern orthodox countries and the church fathers.

>please subscribe to abrahamic golem psyops
>also gnosticism bad!

I can practically see the nose and tiny hat lol

>>41506270
Meme from 2022. Retarded form of Catholicism. Fell after fall of Constantinople, Russia don't have ever a real patriarchy in 300 years before the 1917 (actually never had a legit patriarchy, like most of ortodogs country), and a few months after fell to literally satanist (they still in charge).

we aren't doing the Ortholarping meme anymore. Even the extra contrarians on /lit/ dropped it, and then started to pretend they were Muslims.
Although a certain meme put a stop to that almost overnight.

>>41506477
He contradicts Jesus regularly and was opposed by James and Peter.

>>41506444
Jesus did apparently say that the jews had failed and that God would be looking for a new chosen people. All in the parable of the wedding banquet.

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>>41517906
That was Paul the pharisee. The double agent sent to judaized rome with christianity

Jesus had no problem reminding gentiles they were dogs

>>41517938
This was test for that woman to humble herself. He healed her daughter in the end, a non jew canaanite.

>>41517938
"House of Israel" is not a nation and never was.
Not a jews of past and definitely not modern one's.
He was jewish messiah but as a guy who supposed to lead jews in search of "house of israel" lost sheeps.
They betrayed him.