what are the spiritual implications of aphantasia?there is a clear divide between people who can rotate objects in their head and "people" who cannot. so what is it?
It’s probably not real. The studies are all BS. Tiny sample sizes, all rely on self reporting. It’s amplified delusion. Everyone can remember pictures the same way, no one can close their eyes and “see” an apple like with their actual eyes. It’s all nonsense. People self reporting the problem are misunderstanding the image, it’s just amplifying delusion.
>>41507011how would you feel if you didnt eat breakfast this morning?
>>41507011>I said no one canI am capable of doing it. The result isn't always a solid 1; it often falls somewhere between 1 and 2.
>>41506963it's not a problem, just a different path. this person can worship God unmanifested
>>41507038What does that have to do with my post? Obviously I ate breakfast. Do you have an actual argument?
>>41507106just a wrongdoer trying to derail your thread. ignore it
You can close your eyes and see imagery because the sense of the eyelid is a personal feeling and a shade, a closed eye state is a specific state of vision. And people who are 5s act better physically(like when you meet someone who's acting is different than yours, it's seemingly perfect, whereas you're lighter headed and seem to make more mistakes).
I'm a 2. Meaning my imagination is visually technological. I can swerve my imagination and temporarily see a top down view of myself. I can create little scenes in the space around me or cast over myself and drift away and see them temporarily. My visual imagination is on a web. I assume 1s aren't on a web and have more clarity and fun than me, but they are terrible actors.
Not a clear dividenot a real phenomenawell poisoning to destroy mental ability.
>>41506963 The difference lies in the energetic makeup of individuals. Those who can conjure vivid imagery are dominated by the water element, which suppresses earth, while those who cannot are dominated by earth, which suppresses water. Such people are often called NPCs, but this is ultimately a matter of which elements are dominant within their energetic bodies.
This thread is up my street, I'm chilling here for a while.
>>41506963You become a christian golem.
>>41507011>no one can close their eyes and “see” an apple like with their actual eyes.Your prophantasia, bro?
>>41507106>>41507124>didnt answer the question
When I had contact with the Atlas comet (between 7th and 11th this month) my tulpas got so crystal clear that, while I was having sex with one of them, I saw her sweat dripping over her skin, so vivid it was. This with my eyes closed. It was intense. Later in the 10th the comet contacted me and it was able to use human language, and it used the same frequency of my tulpas. Amazing experience.
>41507293>if I namedrop le study at random times I win the argument im so smartthe state of trolls..
>>41507011Im sorry, Anon, but i can literally close my eyes and see an apple. Not think of the word or the related senses (which i can also do), but see a literal red apple, i can change its color, spin it, flip it upside down, cut it in half, etc. Its not a superpower. it's literally just picturing an apple. I do it all the time with plans for games (im playing factorio atm) plans for work, memory recollection. Do you not remember what your elementary school looks like? I can literally see the stairwell i used to jump down and the monkey bars i climbed. I could draw them based on that image in my mind. If someone asked me to picture a shape and then draw it, the shape I'd draw is the shape i see in my mind. It's not complicated. Im sorry you are mentally deficient. But just because i have a disability doesn't mean everyone does.
Higher beings visiting this planet in flesh suits called human lives being nerfed to not be OP.
>>41507011Oh look, it's that aphantasiac in denial again.>>41507106>>41507038gottem
>>41507379NTA but I feel like drawing something from memory is a completely different skill. Most people can't do that
>>41506963research "eidetic" and what NS Psychologist Jaensch wrote about who has it and who doesn't.
>>41506963None. There's a theory with quite some support I think that our brain isn't a single individual mind, it's a collection of minds making decisions for what you do, with ONE of them being the one that rationalizes those decisions AFTER they are made based on knowledge. That was made obvious by split-brained individuals where the part that rationalizes decisions can be cut of from the sensory input that causes a motor output, and it's trying to justify the motor output without having access to the input that caused it. And it succeeds, and it's sure about it, only it's OBVIOUSLY wrong.Similarly imagination is just the visibility to certain processing done by these other "minds" in your brain. For most people this processing is visible to your "rationalizer brain", so it's like you see it, you remember it and so on. For some it's not visible but it still happens the same way, which is why aphantasiacs generally have no problem drawing stuff.Their brain still processes how things will look once put down on paper but they aren't conscious of the processing. When I ask you why you painted this red and not blue, you'll rationalize that it's because you imagined it with both colors and thought red would look better. An aphantasiac doesn't have visibility to that process, he will just say "I knew it would be better painted red" but has no idea why his brain said it would be so. So his rationalization about the choice he made is simpler.
>>41507930https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-brain_interpreter
>>41507379You’re talking about seeing something in your “minds eye”.Everyone is capable of visualizing an apple within the minds eye. Like you said that’s how memory works.This is why the image is deceptive. It’s easy to interpret it as saying there are people without a “minds eye”, but that’s not correct. The people who say they are a high number are interpreting the image as literal blindsight. No one has blindsight, and everyone has a minds eye.The divergence in people’s depiction of their experience comes not from a difference in experience but a difference in interpretation of the image.
>>41508174BS. The phrase "can you think of an apple" is something everyone (thinks) can do, but once you request "ok now rotate it 90 degrees clockwise and make it blue" they are at a loss. Once you explain to them that you are asking them to do what they often see in their dreams, they say that they cannot just see images while being awake. They know what you mean by "not real image", because they dream, but they don't have that while awake. Most of them have internal dialog and can play back sounds/music/speech in their mind, so they know perfectly well what you mean when you say "imagine a wet fart" but they insist that their vision doesn't have the equivalent ability of imagining "a wet turd" when they are awake. While their dreams have both, so they WOULD know if their vision could it while awake like mine does.
>>41508551You made me visualize an elephant shitting out neon-blue apple slop. As I wait for the post timer to run out, I visualize an African child wiping chewed up blue apple off of her face and slurping it up in an undignified manner. Then as I get distracted after doing the captcha, I think of bugs in the nigger's hair as she presents her open desecrated mouth to the camera.
>>41508174>>41507011you are wrong, there are clear neurological difference that are known, and visual tests that actualy allows to know if someone has it without even asking them.there is a test where some stripes move horizontaly on a screen, and people with aphantasia will have a different eye movment pattern.been a while so i don't remember the exact details but yea this is not just a "self reporting" thing.
>>41510203>>41508174adding to that, it is possible to even see as if it was actualy there in front of you if you train the skill futher.nikola tesla reported to have that ability without having to train for it.
>>41508174>Everyone is capable of visualizing an apple within the minds eye.Not so. I have confirmed this with a friend who has aphantasia. He insists that he cannot even remember what an apple looks like until he sees one. I know that sounds bizarre, but he wasn't bullshitting me. He's very frustrated about his disability.
>>41508551>"ok now rotate it 90 degrees clockwise and make it blue" they are at a lossI just did this now, both from top and by the sides, and the apple was dark blue with some purple dots on it. It was also reflecting the light of my room. Mega easy. Weird that people cant visualize this.
>>41507011I thought it was normal to be able to imagine 3-dimensional objects in my head and mentally rotate them and such. There are even psychological tests that measure how well one can exercise this ability. It uses diagrams of 3-D tetris-block-like objects, and gives one example, to which the test subject is supposed to select which pictured item is the same shape. I breeze through this test because I have this ability. This one is similar to one I've taken in the past: https://www.123test.com/spatial-reasoning-test/
>>41506963So technically if I close my eyes I could see god.
I hate constantly seeing these type of threads because no one ever talks about how to actually improve visualization
>>41510348Robert Bruce's New Energy Ways can and does improve this ability if practiced. He has a whole chapter dedicated to the misunderstanding of "Visualization" that hinders the progress of many people attempting to do it.
>>41510306yea it was just trivial to do, i can make the apple morph into a car, drive into a wall and explode into dandelions or whatever else i want.people that don't have aphantazia can generaly visualize pm anything you can describe.
>>41510339Interesting test. 7 and 10 were pretty hard. But the ones I got incorrectly were 2 and 8, and I thought 2 was easy.
>>41510100Little Akikobongo was always aware of the option to stray into the open savanna just when the sun was sleeping at the bottom of the world, but she considered it very cautiously for the surrealities that could result from such a world tree journey were unpredictable and indeed dangerous.I can imagine just how Akikobongo feels when she remembers the sky when it turns bright red and sees the painful straining of the sky god in the throbbing purple veins on the night horizon. The dissonance is palpable and the fresh sensitivity of youth disturbs the tender core of her heart.But one day, she set out to sneak past her sleeping aunts and uncles and cousins. The first time she pursued her isekai divinely ordained by the highest gods personally, she moved her little feet and toes and the posture of her arms for balance at snail-like speed, percieving every centimeter-long jolt of movement and the threatening rhythms of her many clan members' breaths and snores but after several attempts, she snuck too quickly past everyone's tents and heard her cousin gasp amid sleeping. She didn't know that this was not actually an effect of her loudness but she stopped cold and dwelled on her hare-speed heartbeat for a full minute before inching along to the open plain as sluggishly as an injured snail, speeding to a run near the end as she turned her head and saw the large forest patch her family camps next to begin to be shined upon by the blood-red sky, casting rainbow hexagonal impressions into the upper canopy, then whipping her head back to the open steppes, the majesty of one elephant stood out amidst the throbbing breadth of the infested fertile grasses.Finally, her birthright was tangible and exceeded the prose of her elders as her simple resource-centered reality waxed into the eternal spiral of the dreamscape... yada yada yada elephant shit.I visualized all of that off the top of my head and I find it bizarre and upsetting that some people can't do that.
>>41510348you cant its genetic
>>41507297can you describe the place where you had sex or if you did go inside the comet try to describe it too
How many motherfuckers actually believe troll science? Humans have this thing called "object permanence" which makes shit like aphantasia total bullshit.
>>415069633 quests for the ponderingcan you take your turning apple splice half of it with an orange and simulate and accurately imagine the taste having never had both in your mouth at once?is the electrical impulses the brain interoperates as a red apple and thus would simulate as a 1 an accurate representation of an apple or a simulation of a simulation? could 5 tell you what an apple is from a line up of various fruits? if yes, and if 1 is a simulation of a simulation only, what value dose it have that 5 dose not? elaborate on the nature of value if your simulation has no predictive potential ie question
>>41506963It’s not spiritual. Your minds eye is a muscle.You need to practice vision and imagination to keep it strong, usually during youth.I have found that people who grew up using sticks or rocks or whatever as toys often had to build characters or realities in their heads. These people are left with strong imaginations and thus strong visionary potential. For me I grew up poor so my toys were pencils wile completely unknowing that I was creating totems out of each one.Our ability to imagine and vision has been under attack for at least 70 years. Your ability to imagine is a portal to other worlds and a way for higher entities to send you messages while conscious.if you cannot rotate the apple, your ability to vision has been compromised. If you cannot SEE the apple, you have been successfully mentally paralyzed and your portal is closed.
NPC markerThey cannot self create. They are soulless material constructs.That's why they need some grifter to tell them what to think. And they cannot disobey if some random archon inserts a command in their head because they literally have no ability to analyze or scrutinize it
>>41507011ahaha, this guy cant see an apple when he closes his eyesI can see whatever I want, it's genuinely like looking at an object in full fidelity. You are in clear denial that you are missing out.
>>41507011I love when the NPCs tell on themselves lmfao. Sucks to be you
>>41506963Probably that you need to do some third eye meditation
>>41513049How do we know this whole concept isn't just a divisional archon psyop once again?
>>41506963>>41507011Okay, can you jack off to your imagination? Thats literally the only way you can understand this phenomenon anon. Answer.
>>41514027Because it's obvious neurotypicals are slaves to demons
>>41513049Sometimes I think my wife is an NPC. She basically fits all of these descriptions. Very standard ISTJ, only interested in the immediate day to do, but I feel like she wasn't always this way. She says she has little to no ability to see anything with her imagination, she has no interest in discussing the afterlife, she doesn't believe in a single common Mandela effect (she remembers distinctly Berenstain Bears, current Fruit of the Loom logo, etc), she doesn't want to talk about anything where there are unknown answers like quantum physics or even esoteric things like ghosts, she has very little desire to do anything besides work a job and has always complained when I pursue entrepreneurial endeavors (often successful ones even). I feel like she was a lot more open minded before we had children.Is my wife an NPC?
>>41514081Woman = NPCso far ive met only handful of women who could possibly with some work crossover the NPC threshold
>>41514157Valid, any suggestions to get her to wake the fuck up? I hear psychedelics can help. Or is it just the internal will which can ignite their epinoia? With no will of interest they will sleepwalk forever?
If you have aphantasia it means you have no soul. Trust me. I know.
>>41514290No soul or no spirit? Body. Soul. Spirit. I think all three are separate.
>>41507106retard lol
>>41514277I have this girl that has a thing for meWe chat and meet some times, romantically I have no interest in her, but I try to redpill her, and introduce concepts she could never find in her regular life. in 4months, I can say i've made progress, but holyshit is it meager. The first layer of her mentality changed, she questions more things, and thinks deeper about whatever is presented to her at uni, but if conversation dives deeper, her understanding and takes are so shallow that even a grain of sand wouldnt be submerged. Its all about consciousness, i've met people (guys) who are generally dumb, but have high consciousness and intuition and can grasp ideas and concepts and think of good or interesting takes. You could never make a great person out of a low consciousness individual, i am currently experiencing this.>to get her to wake the fuck up?You cant make someone wake up, they have to find their own way, you could maybe gently push them towards the right path, but its on them to make the leap.Id say, listen to your intuition on how to try to help her, she wont see the light where you have, you give her a hot cup of tea she doesnt understand that she has to wait a bit before drinking, it will scorch her. If you really love her, and wouldnt want to loose her, consider it that you might push her away with all of this.Anyway, goodluck on that path
>>41514027That’s exactly what it is, look how many retards here think they’re cool just because this gives them a way to look down on other people.
