In our current world of knowledge and science, where most anomalies that could once "prove" a being was god, can now be dismissed as tricks of technology, magic, spirits, aliens or demons.God could talk to you in your head, and you could just say, telepathy or voice to skull technology.God could show you things, and you could just say its an illusion. How does God prove it is God in the modern world??
>>41523793God should do something impossible. The disciples didn't believe Jesus was the son of God until he showed them things that were impossible. For some reason we're all expected to believe without being shown anything other than a book written by humans. Not very fair if you ask me. God should have done something like turn the moon into a cube with the word God written on it that we can see from earth, that way all humans would know he's real instead of privately showing only a couple of people stuff like turning water into wine etc
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Do you remember in Mahābhārata when Krsna displayed His godly presence to Duryodhana to dissuade him of going to war and Duryodhana only scoffed at it saying it was a magic trick?God doesnt need to prove anythingIts useless trying to convince someone whos made up their mindJust so you know, God always proves He is, whenever He descends. And every single time the atheist tries to kill HimI guess thats the definitive proof: that the godless degenerates all turn against Him
If you want to prove something, you have to define that something first. Everybody argues about "God" but almost never with a mutual agreement let alone an understanding of what the word even means, so their words fly past each other, and entire fields are propped up with strawmen. It's almost always a waste of time.Just look at the responses already.This shit happens because OP is asking a loaded question, and you fuckers are too dumb to notice.Reframe the question, or have fun wasting time, I guess.
>>41523890I think it's implied it's an Abrahamic God, as that's what basically all the religious threads here are about
>>41523851>God doesnt need to prove anything>Its useless trying to convince someone whos made up their mindIm not atheist, and i ask because i wish to see the True God, Creator of Existence itself and everything within it. But how would i know if it showed itself to me or if its an impostor like yhvh or allah?How would i know if science and occultism can do most things that could be called "godly powers"?? This is the same reason religions only worked in the past and no new ones have been created after the industrial era began. People were ignorant and could be fooled by any cult grifter that had secret knowledge.
>>41523909Fair enough, but then you're defining the word with the word itself. tf is an Abrahamic "God" considering some believe that to be the demiurge and not God at all? If OP had asked how one would prove to humans that they architected this universe, that would be one thing. But he asked of "God". Abrahamic or not, God is being personified, so it's still a loaded and juvenile question to those who would rather not personify God. So once again, reframe the question or have fun wasting time reading answers that will never, ever hit home.
>>41523974>God is being personified, so it's still a loaded and juvenile question to those who would rather not personify God. So once again, reframe the question or have fun wasting time reading answers that will never, ever hit home.Anthropomorphized. That's the word youre looking for.I rebuke your accusation of naivete and turn it upon your on the basis of the creation of existence requiring intent, will, premeditation, planning, calculation; all which in combination, are qualities that define us a human.
>>41523890Language is entirely a scam anyways. Along that line, here is the schizo goat David Wynn Miller, grandaddy of the sovereign citizen retards. Excellent stuff. Have no idea if a sliver of what he posits is true but I don't give a shit. Enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVyCSwhhUg4
>>41524013Good, thank you. This is where the conversation has to start for it to have any meaning at all.I probably don't even disagree, because Consciousness appears to be a paradox. I, too, believe Consciousness is fundamental, because I can't conceive of any thought experiment that would challenge that. As of now, I'm of the stance that God can only be defined as the only Thing that even Exists, which is why OP's question doesn't even make sense.
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God is whatever causes the wavefunction to collapse.
>>41524127you looking at it? my theory is all these sub particles are the same thing just in differant phases at different times.
>>41524143continued, sort of render passes on the universe. interacting with each other but not present at the same time.
>>41524143>>41524158you do realize that the "observer" effect is just called that as a novelty, right? "observation" in the way you are thinking of it is not required for the wavefunction to collapse. Consciousness is not even a factor. Why do you think it's so hard to build a stable quantum system? It's not because niggers in the room are looking at it you moron, it has to do the the fundamental properties of nature itself.
>>41524167yeah i know it has more to do with the tools used for observation.
>>41523793how do you prove to yourself that you yourself exist?!?!you motherfucking retarded piece of retarded shitkill yourself
>>41524183no, it doesn't even have to do with thatwavefunction collapse can occur without even measuring the system at all"taking a measurement" is another case of "observation" where it doesn't mean what you think it normally means in this contextin this context the "measurement" can be literally anything disrupting the quantum state, another particle could be entangled with it prior to the experiment, who knowsquantum systems are INCREDIBLY unstable, that's why they're so fucking hard to do anything with them right now
>>41524197yeah but what do you think of my color pass sub quark theory. in my theory matter taking these different shapes(pinching) also accounts for gravity and other push pull forces.
Why would you care at this point?It's like a deadbeat dad showing up after 6000 or 6 million years depending on what you subscribe to
>>41523974God is the colloquial meaning of God (i.e. the creator of the universe) unless stated otherwise. You're overthinking this
First thing I'd do is ask you to pay attention While I blew a Holy GhostieThan I'd hit my cigar and blow out a Smoke cloud that was a giraffe eating Leaves off abundant trees Than a murial of Jesus Christ And the two malefactors At Golgatha Than Trump hitting a whole in one Than and Angel delivering a kissmoochThan I'd ask you what kind of Holy Ghostie You wanted to see
>>41524345there are men who live now who consider themselves divine. Nietzsche esc
>>41524219I didn't give it any thought at all.
>>41524375i'll send you the DOCS check your dms
>>41524365I'm not sure how that matters. OPs question was basically>How does God prove it is God in the modern world??Then take the first answer>God should do something impossibleThat would go for any God, the God from the bible, or Nietzsche if he is actually the real creator of the universe. If God created the universe then they should be able to do something that would be impossible for a normal human (or any being in this universe) and that is how they would show they're the real God.
>>41524407Just make a thread on /sci/ and use TeX so we can see your notation. Show your math. I'll know it's you and we can continue this conversation over there amongst our fellow wizards. They may have some insights you and I lack into the subject, or at the very least, some spicy memes.
>>41524440yeah but if you view the world in a measurable sense, those with the power to split atoms and move mountains and literally feel they were chosen to rule. and that doesn't have any thing to do with this thread butpeople have called themselves gods or pharaohs or kings or nobles throughout history.so no you can't equate one god to yahweh
>>41524459lol i don't have math, thats why it will never leave this thread. i get why you need equations, but i'm not looking to run simulations. get some nerd to do the math.anyway i'm mostly just fucking around.
>>41524476OP was taking about "God" though. Not "a god". Like the creator of the universe and not the "god of thunder" or something
>>41524486ye I was just ribbing you a bitI suck at math myself desu lol
>>41523793What would stop God from simply making reality include you accepting that God is God?Why do you think you have any ability to deny God the power to make you accept?The doubt of God's existence is a gift from God for those who wish to rebel.
>>41523793>be deity >I make a divine fire-cube with the words engraved in neon "I'm god and exist.">don't make it disappear in an hour or whatever>soon people will photograph it, there'll be newspapers, a tourist can travel and check, even skeptics will go wtfIt's that easy, the deity doesn't want to do it
>>41524688>Be deity>My whim changes to "everyone knows I exist">no effort needed, reality simply exists as I desireIt's THAT easy.I agree the only reason there is any denial of God's existence is because God wishes it to be possible.
>>41524345>God is the colloquial meaning of God (i.e. the creator of the universe)That's the definition of the demiurge. Thank you for demonstrating my point. You're underthinking this, but at least we're talking definitions before tossing strawmen around.Case in point, this thread has devolved into exactly what I said it would.
>>41524746Demiurge is a 2nd god which is still mixing up "God" with "a god". OP is talking about capital G God
>>41523962What do you expect God to be? Some guy with a beard pissing lightning bolts and shitting out rainbows? Plato's realm of perfect mathematical forms which is more real than the world of matter we inhabit would be something like the shadow cast by God we can sort of glimpse and thus God would be the source of said emanations of perfect forms. Materialism being the ultimate truth and the realm of forms we use to describe this world being bound to matter instead of the other way around seems like bullshit to me because that would mean matter arbitrarily creates its own laws of nature and has no reason to ever adhere to them at any given tick of time.
>>41523793>The idea of "God" being a singular being instead of a state of mind/being that all could choose to pursue and join in part thereof.In terms of inter-entity affairs/the occult, God is the most powerful mfer in the room, and perhaps also whomever is hosting/paying for the nice time/lovely evening/absolutely debauched [yet voluntary with consideration to harm reduction instead of the whole "let's force sex and drugs on everyone so that everyone has at least one sin to be blackmailed with later",] weekend camping expedition everyone's trying to have, since God certainly wouldn't just violate the NAP and take from the haves to go cheer up the have-nots a few times a year.
>>41524968>OP is talking about capital G GodYou're also defining the word with the word. Everybody fucking thinks they're talking about capital G God but they're too dumb to notice they're not in consensus about what it means, so they'll only strawman the shit out of each other for their tribe.Define capital G God, and if you don't think it's the demiurge, make sure your definition specifies the hard difference. Find consensus in the thread first. Until then, it's a waste of time.
The Man Who Would Be KingAll Hail The KingThis is how they proved it.
>>41523793God is for those who humbly seek truth
Why would and God want to prove you anything lol?I imagine tihs isn't possible, because if it were, it would probably already happen.
>>41523962>>41523962>their mindIm not atheist, and i ask because i wish to see the True God, Creator of Existence itself and everything within itWhat makes you think there's one like this? Judging by the number of single physical powers in the world, we are can extrapolate that divines might also be many and our Universe is a place of those meeting.
"Got a lawyer this time so you can suck my radio signal dick." ~God
>>41525061>if you don't think it's the demiurgeIf YOU want to insist on a distinction, then YOU must provide it.Everyone who isn't a retarded child understands what is being asked.OP is about God. However you conceptualize that, you can give an answer.
>>41525061Capital G God is the supreme being in any religion, that's just regular English, the demiurge is not the supreme being of gnosticism. Just google demiurge and you'll see the way god is capitalised in various contexts and it will then be obvious to you what OP is talking about. You'll also find that the gnostic supreme being does not communicate with humans anyway which rules out the gnostic God and by extension the demiurge
>>41523793It wouldn't need to, it would actually be better than man, and not in a teehee I can hurt you and i smarter, do as i say kind of way...it would just be better and do better shit because it is better, awe inspiring feats of undeniable unmatched creative genius Proving your abilities are not limited and unmatched is not something that needs to be proved, however asserting such a thing about yourself while being unable to provide any evidence is an indication of stupidity or delusionThe production and maintenance of this artifical reality doesn't really seem to be evidence of some transcendent higher order or wonderful infallible super being who's always right benevolent and wonderful and unlimited in capacity...This world seems to point to the idea that surely there could be something better than this and questions about "did our kind do this?" Rather than shock and awe about how great it is, and threats against you about how incorrect or worthless you are don't exactly motivate or inspire sentiments to the contrary they seem to just inspire contempt for the one asserting the threats...
>>41525235>>41525217when normies refer to god they're usually referring to the demiurge though (creator of this flawed reality)
>>41525373You are so stuck on being a pedantic ass, you can't even think of your own answer.>OP is about God. However you conceptualize that, you can give an answer.How pathetic that you are so stuck on other people maybe being wrong that you are paralyzed from answering.
>>41525142>What makes you think there's one like this?Because existence exists.And for me to be able to exist, for everything that exists to be created there first needs to be something that creates itself and creates existence itself. That, to me, is the True God. Everything else are lower case deities.i know it sounds illogical or paradoxical,. and it ends up in infinite regress,>if God created existence then how did God exist before he created existence> who created god if existence didnt existbut that exact incomprehension is what makes a True God.And i want to meet that God, but i think, how would i know it is actually God, and not a deity or impostor. ?i know there is ultra advanced science, i know there is ancient wizardry and sorcery, i know there are a variety of beings that would wield both of these to fool humans into worshipping them as gods; As religions prove. To frame it in an easy way to comprehend, this 3D physical reality itself is creation of a lesser deity, demiurge as everyone else is calling it itt. If these beings have such capabilities while not being God, How can God prove it is the actual, original God?Thus i made this thread.
>>41523793The mechanisms for this to happen have been evidenced in my life.The fact is, in revealing himself totally to many people, a divergence occurs that requires constant maintenance in the human journey. Something is lost along the way, a peace that comes from knowing one is not significant in the eyes of all things. Not revealing himself totally is a way of maintaining the balance of human free will to retain peace of mind. Many times this theory is tested, and many times the years it takes for a person to become unconcerned with God as a real and present force take a toll on the psyche and leave a hole which needs filling with discipline and mission.Before those years are up, the whine that God is unfair is immense.God told you he was not your father; do not expect him to behave as though he is if he shows himself fully.If you cannot reason this, then you will not be shown the hand of God.
>>41523793Pretty simple if said God is omnipotent and all knowing it would know the answer.
As days go, today is a decent one.Thanks to the keepers of the balance for their efforts to make hardship easier.In particular, thanks to whichever forces govern the mechanics for win/loss ratios in my designated field of view.I am truly blessed.
