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Key differences
- Real-Time Zone = objective, geographically accurate reflection of Earth right now.
- Astral planes = subjective, mind-responsive, no fixed geography at higher levels.

Memory is everything
After any OBE only the memory remains. Most spontaneous OBEs are forgotten because the delicate shadow memories from the projected double fail to transfer into waking brain storage during reintegration. Mastering conscious-exit projection, keeping projections short, and immediately reinforcing the memory on re-entry (shouting it out, writing it down) dramatically increases recall.

That’s the core framework. Everything else techniques, vibrations, exit sensations, silver cord, reality fluctuations revolves around navigating these layers and, above all, bringing the memories back with you.

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Part One: Core Elements of Projection
Lesson 2: The Projection Double.

The Projectable Double
1. The Etheric Body (Energy Body)
Closest subtle layer to the physical body; never fully leaves while you’re alive.
Has 3 aspects:
Bio-energetic (life-template for the physical body)
Pure-energetic (chakras, energy channels, exchange ports)
Expanded-energetic (swells outward when body sleeps or enters trance)
It is the energy factory that generates and powers all higher projectable doubles.
Cannot fully project; if it did, you’d die.
2. How Projection Actually Works (the Natural Multi-Level Process
Everyone projects every night while asleep – most just don’t remember it.
Step-by-step (happens automatically in sleep, or can be done consciously):
Body falls asleep mind still partly awake light trance.
Etheric body expands a copy of consciousness reflects into the expanded etheric body (internal “mind-split”).
Deeper sleep/trance real-time double is generated inside the expanded etheric body.
Real-time double is projected out another copy of consciousness transfers into it.
Process continues upward: astral body, mental body, etc., are generated and projected in turn while the lower ones fall asleep.
Conscious-exit OBE = doing the exact same process while staying fully awake.
That’s why it feels so intense (vibrations, racing heart, heavy energy): waking mind creates huge energetic resistance that sleep normally avoids.
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3. Types of Projectable Double
Real-Time Double (first level out)
Operates in the real-time zone (exact mirror of physical world right now).
Looks silvery/ghostly to clairvoyants; looks normal (but younger & fitter) to other projectors.
Hands melt if you stare at your own hands (classic OBE sign).
Weakens quickly if too far from body or if higher bodies take over energy.
Astral Reflection (always-on weak echo)
Mindless copy of your waking thoughts/fantasies constantly broadcast into the astral.
Why awake people sometimes look like they’re doing bizarre things when viewed astraly.
Astral Body Proper (nextlevel)
Natural environment = astral planes.
Much more stable, lighter, easier to stay lucid.
Reality fluctuations are milder; melting hands still happen, but less.
When a higher body (astral, mental, etc.) becomes strongly active, the lower ones (real-time, then astral) fall asleep and wander around this is why most people you meet in real-time or low astral seem confused or half-asleep.
4. “Etheric Projections” Are a Myth
What people call a weak “etheric projection” (can barely move) is actually:
You woke up in the middle of a full night-time multi-level projection.
Only the real-time double got pulled back and then re-exited while awake.
The rest of your energy is still tied up in higher projected bodies massive weakness.
5. Kids & Animals
Children project all the time (tons of energy); they fly around having fun but rarely remember.
Pets and all animals project regularly; you can watch them exit.
Deceased pets are often seen visiting in real-time or low astral they survive death, especially the ones that were deeply loved.
Bottom line
You don’t “leave” your body you generate a series of energetically lighter copies and shift consciousness into them, one level at a time. The etheric body stays home as the power plant. The only real challenge is staying awake through the process and downloading the memories when you return.

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Part One: Core Elements of Projection
Lesson 3: The Incredible Mind-Split

The single biggest reason people “fail” at conscious OBE — and the reason most OBEs are forgotten — is the mind-split.
Core Truth
You never actually leave your physical body empty.
Instead, every time you project, your mind splits: a complete, independent copy of your full consciousness (memories, thoughts, personality) goes with the projected double, while the original master copy stays 100 % active in the physical/etheric body.
Both copies think they are “you,” both record memories in real time, and both are fully awake if you do a conscious exit.
What really happens (step-by-step)
You go into trance etheric body expands consciousness reflects into it (internal copy).
Real-time double is generated another full copy of consciousness reflects into it.
Exit happens true mind-split:
Physical/etheric you stays behind, fully conscious (or falls asleep).
Projected you flies off, fully conscious.
Both versions now live totally separate lives and record totally separate memories for the exact same time period.

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>>41570555
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When the projected double returns and reintegrates, its “shadow memories” have to download into the physical brain.
If that download fails you remember nothing of the OBE, only what the physical body experienced
Why most conscious exits seem to “fail”
You actually succeeded the moment you felt the exit sensations.
The physical body, left awake in trance, thinks the projection failed because the vibrations stopped. It has no idea its copy is already out flying around.
Then it gets tired and falls asleep any chance of downloading the OBE memory is gone.

How to beat the mind-split and actually remember your OBEs
Keep early projections ultra-short (1min or less).
Return while the physical body is still lightly tranced/awake.
The moment you feel the re-entry rush (tingling, falling sensation, bone-chilling wave), shout your keywords (“I flew over the park! Red car! Rooftop!”) inside your physical head and out loud if possible.
This forces the shadow memory download before the physical brain overwrites it with its own version.
Why some people remember full OBEs easily
Their shadow memories were strong enough to overwrite the physical body’s memories for that time period. The mind-split still happened they just don’t realise they lost the physical-side memories instead of the OBE ones.
Bottom line
The physical body is never empty or vulnerable.
Possession, soul theft, cord breaking fears all myths.
Once you accept that you have two (or more) identical “yous” running at the same time, everything about OBE difficulty, memory blackouts, duality sensations, and “failed” exits suddenly makes sense and becomes workable.

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Part One: Core Elements of Projection
Lesson 4: Complications of Consciousness

Most conscious-exit attempts actually succeed. If you felt vibrations, racing heart, or the torso rush you projected. You just don’t remember because of the mind-split.
Everyone projects every night. Almost no one remembers any of it.
When you suddenly “wake up” mid-astral projection, you never recall what you were doing the previous hour. The moment your base-level (normal waking) consciousness takes over a higher body, it instantly overwrites and deletes the higher body’s memories. The projection continues as if it just started.
This happens at every level: real-time physical, astral real-time, mental astral, etc. The coarser, lower level always bulldozes the higher one’s memories.
Result:

99 % of all OBEs are completely forgotten.
Higher-level memories either vanish or turn into abstract symbols, metaphors, and prophetic fragments.
The physical brain can only store memories in crude base-level format.
Conscious-exit projection dragging your normal waking mind all the way up the chain is the only way to bring back usable memories from higher levels, even if they’re still abstract.
Everything else gets wiped the second the lower self wakes up inside the higher body.

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Part One: Core Elements of Projection
Lesson 5: Astral Sight & Remote-Eye Projection
In-body astral/real-time sight

During trance or waking paralysis, many people see clearly through closed eyelids and bedcovers. This is the etheric body (or partially generated real-time double) perceiving energy directly and feeding the images straight into the physical brain’s sight center. No actual eyes are used.
Remote-eye projection
When you’re extremely overtired but fighting sleep:
A weak real-time double slips out unnoticed.
You stay awake in your physical body (can still talk/move sluggishly).
Suddenly you see a real-time scene from another location, often 360° vision.
You feel connected like to a flying remote camera.
You have slight influence over where it goes, but it mostly moves on its own.
No exit sensations, no paralysis, no astral feedback.
Mind-split is obvious: you are fully conscious in both places at once.
This is a low-powered real-time projection that happens while the physical body and mind stay barely awake. The brow center + heavy trance + extreme fatigue triggers it. It sits halfway between OBE and clairvoyant remote viewing.

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Part One: Core Elements of Projection
Lesson 6.:Waking Paralysis (Sleep Paralysis)
Waking paralysis hits suddenly: you’re awake but completely paralyzed.
It’s extremely common and usually terrifying because the cause is unknown.
Main cause
Spontaneous projection has already happened.
The exit was missed (mind-split), and you wake up inside the paralyzed physical/etheric body while your projected double is still out. No vibrations or exit sensations are felt because they already passed unnoticed.
Why conversion to OBE almost always fails
You can’t project again while a projection is already in progress. Trying just forces the projected double back in, ending the paralysis but erasing all OBE memories.
Fear & dread cases
Strong fear loops between the paralyzed physical body and the scared projected double (emotional feedback). Both feel a terrifying presence coming from the other’s direction, panic escalates, and a tug-of-war starts until the double is dragged back.
How to stop or reduce it

Move one big toe (easiest body part) or use brushing awareness on it.
At the first sinking feeling, roll out of bed fast and stay up 10+ minutes.
Avoid sleeping on your back.
Don’t let yourself get overtired or have an empty stomach (both raise etheric activity).
Regular energy work and conscious-exit practice greatly reduce episodes over time.
Severe frequent cases
See a doctor. Fix the sleep deficit with prescribed sleeping medication. Avoiding sleep makes everything far worse. Daylight naps, light/TV on, and a sleep mask also help reduce fear.

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Part One: Core Elements of Projection
Lesson 7: OBE and Perception
Everything in OBE is subjective.
The physical brain lives in total darkness inside the skull and only receives bioelectrical signals. It cannot tell whether those signals came from physical eyes/ears or directly from the projected double.
The projected double has no organs it perceives light, sound, touch, smell, taste by direct energetic mind-sensing, then translates them using the brain’s learned sensory memory.
Blindness proof

People blinded after birth full sight in dreams/OBEs.
People blind from birth no visual sight ever, but ultra-sharp 360° spatial/touch/energetic perception (often stronger than normal vision).
Objective vs Subjective in Real-Time OBE

Objective = matches known physical reality as it happens now (verifiable).
Subjective = misplaced/changed objects, people, or environments (reality fluctuations).
Real-time zone is not the physical world nor the astral proper it’s a direct, real-time energetic reflection (like existing inside a moving mirror). You see true events, but you have no substance there.

That is it for Part 1.

I'll come back later after eating and napping to post part 2-6 if others are interested.

Let me know what you think. The infographics were made using nano banana pro, I'm no graphics designer.

Thank you, I've been practicing using the start of Michael Raduga's book about lucid dreaming because I'm pretty sure that's a good way to enter astral projection.

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>>41570484
Thanks anon, looks good

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>>41570627
I recently used a different method. I obtained some very, very powerfull texas blue cap mushrooms. i had fasted for 3 days prior to my viewing, and also put only the purest intention of thought into the process. I had my circle of art and my 13 inch singing bowl.. Pic rel is my conversation with a close friend.

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>>41570484
isn't this just what Robert Bruce said about Astral Projection but reposted in infographics?

Cool infographs. Where'd you get them and are there any more?

>>41570484
What is your opinion of the Monroe Institute and their methods of astral projection using binaural patterns and deep trance meditation?

Also, what do you know about the declassified CIA stargate program where it discusses how the wavelength of consciousness "clicks out" at the planck scale, and this is the critical threshold for having OBE's and synchronizing with higher dimensions?

>>41571748
They're AI Bro...

the infographics are ai but i'm hoping to god the writings are your own
regardless, can anyone tell me the relation between astral projecting and lucid dreaming (as well as sleeping and meditating if possible)? because i keep seeing people argue about the topics but there are too many patterns connecting to where with my inexperience i struggle to make any definitive conclusions
also, bumping for interest anyways

>>41570484
You have me interested. One of the main issues I had with this all was addressed as one of your first comments.

>>41570484
Hello, I am a /sci/fag, and also an /x/ schizo. My main interest is in whether or not I can actually explore this stuff with a scientific mindset. Will it help me to understand quantum mechanics and abstract mathematics such as differential geometry and number theory with better intuition and rigor?

Is it possible to uncover deeper mathematical theorems using this stuff? I believe math is a sacred art, not just a science. I think it is a divine gift from God and our ability to understand numbers is what connects us with the divine spark of the Creator itself.

bump for more

bump for please answer my fucking question you worthless piece of shit attention whoring OP

no

>>41570627
Post the rest anon, please

Bump

>>41570484
PLZ Continue!!

>>41570484
bump

Can I harness this to get rich and get laid?

love these infographics, great job

An astral body can only be acquired after lengthy and dedicated inner struggle. I'm talking 40 years in a Tibetan monastery type of thing. The average npc has not even created an astral body and cannot therefore project.

>>41570484
I haven't succeeded on doing it at will in 20 years so if this works I'll report back. I just have no idea what's holding me back. When I was a kid that was about to succeed very easily but I Heard a voice said "NO!"

>>41570593
>During trance or waking paralysis, many people see clearly through closed eyelids and bedcovers
I have something of this sort awake. What about vision work, OP? Yoga Nidra and the like.

>>41570484
Nice! Step 1: Overcome FEAR.

CIA

>>41571994
The astral has its own science and laws. They are not rigid, but there are rules. The currency in the astral is information and the ability to transmit it. There are so many reports of meeting entities in the astral and it's always the same pattern: They appear to know things but they aren't be able or willing to tell you, or you happen to be woken up at the last second before the information is received.

I myself have received information from the future many times but I suspect were I to document the precognition in a provable way, I wouldn't have received it. Time is not linear in the astral but it looks like causality must be preserved for some reason. It seems to me that the same laws that prevent Closed timelike curves in the physical apply also in the astral. I believe it is possible to design and run astral experiments to image this weird structure by reconstructing it from the shadows it leaves. It is the only way to study this medusa that you cannot see directly, lest you'd run into paradoxes.

OP here
Sorry guys I ate so much I passed out early.

A little clarification:

All of this info is from Robert Monroe and Robert Bruce with a little of my own experience tied in to it. By far, it is heavily influenced by Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce.

I am using Nano Banana Pro 3, shit is amazing, Hate AI all you want, look at what I was able to create. The secret is to feed it your own original content and make it better, use it as a tool dont let it think for you, only NPCs use AI like that.

I'll post more today, it just takes a bit of effort and its 36 lessons long.

If anyone is interested in any other topics, I'll make some epic infographics for all of you who struggle with your attentions pans and require the visual guides to help you understand.

>>41570517
>You don't "leave" your body
This is the copium conclusion I've arrived at. If the astral body exists it's either non-spatial and bi-locational in respect to the physical body.
This is why I don't scarcely feel like I'm 'moving' while meditating. People who get full OBE/AP are reinterpreting their experience as movement.
It's focus/intent, not spatial travel.

>>41576449
You should edit/fix >>41570585 The Physical brain on the middle. Sentence is completely scrambled and will probably completely turn people off and dismiss your efforts as aislop.

>>41576449
please make more

As a kid I had a lot of bad dreams and I learned to wake myself up. I can still do that. Take about 10 seconds.

I might look into this

>>41576449
nice welcome back, yea keep going with the lessons you allured to in OP. I am interested in your images and your take on the content you based it on. In fact I love the custom AI images it really helps. And I would love to see this thread be a success and a precursor to other informative threads you make in the future about different subjects. But like I mentioned I think for continuity sake we should focus on one subject per thread. And at the end of the thread at bump limit link to a new thread with a subject of your or our choice. Ideally. :)

>>41575258
i have lived future experiences (always incredibly mundane) in my dreams rarely since I was young.

those entities are what islam calls the jinn, and they cannot tell tou because god almighty forbade you to speak with them and them to speak with you. breaking this taboo intentionally begins the descent, but i know the feeling - they love to tempt you with some kind of key, critical, world-shaking revelation!
would it truly be so? I doubt it. its a bait and switch.
I am interested in AP for the purposes of documenting & testing hypotheses, I want to know if its real, but my dream lucidity control/recall is weak and I cannot actively AP yet :(

So I've been experimenting with a Lucid Dreaming tapes from the Monroe stuff.
Its been ages feeling like I couldn't dream at all, and I when I did, I could only remember small snippets.
You can see my full report right here, just moments after waking up >>41577060
But it was wild, Inception like, that I was dreaming within a dream and then some OBE in between, along with sleep paralysis and finally realizing what was going on.
I would it was not lucid but sure was vivid.

Anyway OP, thanks for these, I'll look into them with more detail.

>>41570484
Please post the entire thing. These are fantastic

>>41570627
How do you think memory training (method of loci) ties into this? Ever since I've begun memory training I've been having weirder dreams, even a prophetic one (it predicted a small, mundane, but true event). Also it's been proven that memory training evolves the brain's ability to store memory (also it's much easier and faster to think with images)

>>41578919
Something to do with your energetic system probably. Third eye, crown, and such. Dreams, as far as I know, are governed by the sixth chakra and its offshoots.

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>>41578939
Mnemonics is based on visualization (I'm also doing mindfulness as it "grows" the brain and improves memory), am I passively stimulating it by doing this? Should I make a serious attempt to actually open it?

>>41571892
>can anyone tell me the relation between astral projecting and lucid dreaming
As per the difference, should be obvious, dreaming is done within your own subconscious mind, while AP you should be experiencing external stuff, which may be verifiable to some degree
as to how they relate, I think the ability to do both are somewhat the same, in the regard that you're able to retain consciousness and intent while you usually would be deep off.

>>41570585
very good, but so what are supposed to do about it? how do we retain our memories of OBE

>>41570609
and speaking of, the weird experience I mentioned in >>41578601
somehow I think I received feedback from all stages together, my OBE projection, in lucid dream, and seeing myself in sleep paralysis,
I say that because I remember going in and out between these three during the night, which was bizarre
but it was only when I heard the voice that things got really weird,
I was listening to the lucid dreaming tape, but after I searched tape in detail I didn't find any voice near the end, so I guess it came from a different source, perhaps my OBE projection wherever it may have been
freaky

also speaking of it, whats the deal with the strong vibrations we feel, how do you interpret them and help in the process?

Thank you op, I've saved all the pics and screenshotted this thread

>>41576449
I am keeping this epic thread alive until OP wakes up from his food coma (while he galivants through the universe)

WAKE UP ANON ! YOU HAVE MORE TO SHARE!

>>41570484
Op come back plx

This is really good

OP really knows his stuff
ive been working on my obes for years and this actually is a pretty good explanation to things i couldnt quite verbalize
i can enter the etheric place pretty consistenly its always in the comfort of my room where I perform reality checks and once I can confirm im dreaming I stabilize my hands before moving on, usually i exit my house trough a window and find myself not in the world I know but one totally different and much abstracter; im guessing this is the swith from etheric to astral, the longer I explore the harder it becomes to remain concious very few time i manage to stay for prolonged periods of time in that place and only once for sure ive entered the mental plane; i thought i had met god or a seraphim it was way too intense; the second time i believe i visited the akashik records it was a planet size library/museum that I didnt manage to stay at for long

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>>41571994
any thoughts on this

The tesseract is the key to visualizing how consciousness itself works.
The inner cube is energy passing through the pineal gland. The outer cube is the world surrounding you. As the outer cube moves to the center (the pineal gland) it "spheres the cube" which is a higher dimensional version of circling the square. The pineal gland pulses energy (sphering) which imprints on the cube. This now "imprinted" cube moves outward and around you creating your toroidal field. Kind of like turning your shirt inside out. The imprinted cube moves, turning inside out and surrounding you. Your pineal gland creates your world by either acting or reacting to the world that your bodies 5 senses observe. Positive energy means you're creating the world around you. Negative energy and you're reacting to the world around you. The tesseract moves in one direction or another depending on the energies that the pineal gland imprints. As above so below. As within so without.

The idea is that gravity is what creates the things around us. everything is ether until the tesseract gets sphered which then assigns specific gravity to everything around us. observed ether turns to light as gravity is added. this process continues to change light to the elements lighter to heavier. there is an overarching consciousness which observes everything at all times which is why our individual realities are consistent. every atom has its own individual consciousness this is why the double slit experiment works the way it does. observing the wave (Light) adds gravity to it which in turn makes it into a particle.

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>>41570484
Thread Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVXA3E6_tMw

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>>41570484
How many mg of Adderall did this require?

>>41570484
come back OP this is outstanding.

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>>41574772
>When I was a kid that was about to succeed very easily but I Heard a voice said "NO!"
Take this, it's a powerful weapon against the naysayers.

>>41580331
>dreaming is done within your own subconscious mind, while AP you should be experiencing external stuff, which may be verifiable to some degree
how does one tell the difference in practice? i.e. how do i know if an entity i'm talking to (hypothetical) is internal or external?

>>41584136
>how does one tell the difference in practice?
It's going to be unique to you, so you'll just need enough repetitions to where you know what your key tell is.

Hypnopompia is my key tell. Regular dreams don't have them. When I wake up and see grids or hexagons wrap around my surroundings like wireframe before it "renders" and looks normal again, I know I have returned to my body instead of just experiencing a dream.

It's important for me to know because the boundaries between conscious experiences are blurring together.

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>>41571994
Good man.
>>41576449
Thank you for your effort sir.

>>41584016
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>>41571718
Looks like it
>>41570484
These are nice, possibly AI, look good though.
The issue is you are giving information without verifying it is true, this is mostly myth.

>>41574632
>An astral body can only be acquired after lengthy and dedicated inner struggle. I'm talking 40 years in a Tibetan monastery type of thing.
Pretty sure every soul has one, having command over it is a different story.

yes goyim dont recognize agency or do anything to challenge the power structure in material reality

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and is this double me? is it a separate being? am I only my physical body?

Op please come back and post part 2

>>41584316
>Hypnopompia
First time I have seen this word but most of my lucid dreaming is from this form of "dreaming". Is there a way to induce this when falling asleep?

>>41586031
Just talk about his content and talk about the subject. Maybe he's just waiting until the conversation gets to the point where his info would help us. For the most part little discussion about it has happened. Mostly just begging for him to come back. OP is a probably a cat. You get them to do what you want by not caring.

>>41586188
>First time I have seen this word but most of my lucid dreaming is from this form of "dreaming".
It's not especially common for /x/. I typically only see it with people who consume psychoactive substances to induce OBEs.

I have yet to meet another person that experiences it sober. I think it's a milestone, because once it happens, it never goes away after that.

The best way to describe it is that my perception of waking reality is slowly falling apart. The visual static carries hints of a wireframe-like overlay on the solid objects. Also, I try not to induce that state all the time, those events feel like I have not slept at all, so it's mentally exhausting.
>Is there a way to induce this when falling asleep?
That's called hypnogogia, and I can't tell you a definitive method to induce them other than to be able to hit a deep rest state on command and remain conscious even as your body falls asleep.

The Hemi-Sync crowd are on their way to that, but they appear to still be new to it or they're hardstuck somewhere. I think people want to rush through it, but progress is individual rather than through progression of the tapes.

>>41586295
I remember reading a while back that hemisync researchers believe that brain wave states are accompanied by a specific frequency resonance in the ventricles of the brain. Alpha waves have a certain frequency, beta another, and so on. The purpose of binaural beats, I assume, is to jump start the brain into a specific frequency, which can help to induce an OBE.
I have a tube that goes in to the left ventricle of my brain, as treatment for hydrocephalus. Been debating reaching out to those guys, to see if they'd like to try attaching a pulsating motor to the tube, over the skin, to see if it could induce an OBE. Should I do it?

>>41588593
Here's the material I was referring to: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/cia-rdp96-00788r001700210016-5.pdf

>>41588593
>The purpose of binaural beats, I assume, is to jump start the brain into a specific frequency, which can help to induce an OBE.
That is exactly the intended mechanism of action. The human mind has suspiciously few effective mental safeguards, which is why these beat frequencies also oftentimes require relaxation, quiet environment, and still mind.

A sapient mind will consume itself without stimulation so it attunes to what is available, which is the beat frequency. Because that attunement has a specific, consistent, and timed frequency, that is what the mind tunes towards, like a radio. It's also said that the brain is not the center of consciousness, but a receiver instead. The consciousness is both deep within and also external to the individual body.

>I have a tube that goes in to the left ventricle of my brain, as treatment for hydrocephalus. Been debating reaching out to those guys, to see if they'd like to try attaching a pulsating motor to the tube, over the skin, to see if it could induce an OBE.
>Should I do it?
Not at all.

The auditory beat frequencies are more than sufficient to achieve results, and adding such a motor introduces unnecessary risk to your health.

>>41570484
All that just makes AP sound like LD