Also interesting worth mentioning thread >>41570484

I was doing the tapes and then trying to trying to manifest a specific person into my life.

I fell asleep and immediately had a vivid dream about this person. We were talking and everything was going well, I asked for her number and she gave it, but then changed her mind and got all weird and rejected me lmao.

Wtf was that? Was I possibly communicating with her soul on another plane? Should I take that as a sign that I shouldn’t pursue her

I genuinely get mad after doing these tapes now because it's been a month and a half of consistent use and I've yet to get into focus 12 - feel no difference whatsoever after the countdown to 12. My hunch is I've never even entered focus 10 since my experience is numb arms and legs and a wandering pressure on my face and that is it. Can just get up when he says wake up without waiting for the countdown, which I assume is there for a reason. Kind of fell asleep for 5-ish minutes when redoing the orientation tape. I just don't fucking know anymore

>>41579226
What tape was that?
Generally having a vivid dream after visualizing in SATS means the manifestation has taken root,
in your case it might just be a vivid dream because you asleep to it, but then she rejecting you is just your self-doubt.
Remember our dreams is just what we imagine, even if unconscious.

Previous thread, there was some talk, of how SR actually helps out with clarity, and vise versa as well in some regard.

So, how do I undo years degenerate cooming, that conditioned me to certain fetishes?
Right now I can some times even go a couple of weeks without trouble, but just briefly seeing something can trigger this fetish draw and then cause a relapse soon after.
It come to the point I could literally just coom from binging a bit on porn, not even touching myself.
Even when in deep states, as I'm weening off this stuff, pictures will sometime pop up in my imagination. So yeah its quite a problem I now realize.

The huge archive has a bunch hemi-sync tapes related to several aspects of life, which one would be best to sort of heal this?

>>41579483
>The huge archive has a bunch hemi-sync tapes related to several aspects of life
be more specific

>>41579779
you could just see it for yourself...
but for example, better sleep, eat-not-eat, quit-smoking, detox, letting go, etc
I think relevant to my case, dehab or sex-drive.

>>41579816
>you could just see it for yourself...
It's hard to know what aspects of life, your life, you see reflected on the tapes, but, now that you've answered.
>It come to the point I could literally just coom from binging a bit on porn, not even touching myself.
Dude, you're somewhat fucked because you are kinda deep into the PMO loop.
"One Month Patterning" could help you, it has helped me get out of addictions, but the only thing that will bring those dopamine levels back to normal is to quit cold turkey.
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/
If you are new to the tapes then you will need to work your way up slowly because OMP needs focus 12.
>for example, better sleep, eat-not-eat, quit-smoking, detox, letting go
Or, if you mean the meditation/metamusic series, I guess you could try that directly, but seriously, as long as your brain is addicted to big quick and easy dopamine discharges you will have a harder time getting out of it.
Good luck.

>>41579162
I don't trust the tape.
Parts of me feels like they are a glowie honeypot to mkuktra your subconscious.

>>41577108
just one month pattering on repeat.

>>41579226
Eventually you can talk to them without listening to it.

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So I did the remote viewing with the deck of cards again... I had the reverse happen this time. The first thought that popped into my head before I even put the tape on was King of Spades. Of course I thought that was highly improbable and it was just my mind fixating on a random card. I tried hard to push it out of my head and completely disregard it. While the tapes were playing I came up with 6 of diamonds. After the tapes were finished I looked at the card I pulled and It was the King of Spades.

Going to try again soon.

It was the King of Spades.

>>41580833
checked and odd, though I've seen on occasion people mention these skill develop and you don't end up needing to be in a deep state to be aware of them.
I guess it takes practice and time to get used and know what is what

Tried the lucid dreaming tape again,
Was late and drunk some wine, I pretty much just went straight to sleep, woke up around the end of the tape, didn't really remember anything tho.
The odd part is that the audio had stopped, but when I looked in the morning the player was pause, some minutes before the end. No idea why it would do that.

>>41579889
>Good luck.
Thanks, and yes I mean something like the H-plus or meditation, seems like "Let Go" is a good onde for giving up bad habits.
>Dude, you're somewhat fucked because you are kinda deep into the PMO loop.
well its not as bad as it seems, it was worse. These past months has been surprisingly reduced, with at least a week in between, and sometimes almost a month.
The thing is it will plateau and the lack of the rush can bring me down feeling depressed, so I feel the urge to just peek a little.
And after peeking for a few days it gets worse to the point where the peen hurts.
Hence why the fetish is troublesome, I feel like even just fapping to something more normal or even soft, might be a better way to ween it off.

I did a really deep dive into this topic, I read all of Monroe’s books, I read the two biographies written about him, I read Rosalyn’s McKnight’s books, I read Joe McMoneagle’s books. I mean I really went all out researching this in great depth. I spent years working with the tapes, but unfortunately I got nowhere. I really wanted it to work, I wanted to greatly improve my life or have some sort of great spiritual experience or insights, etc. However, for me it just didn’t work. It was very peaceful just to sit there and listen to the tapes, sometimes I would “click out” as the institute described, which is like not really falling asleep but more like losing time. But nothing really came of the many hours I spent trying to work with these tapes. I wish you all the best with it, but it just doesn’t seem to work for everyone.

Weird stuff happened to me with the energy food tape. I do the tapes lying on the bed before sleep, so naturally the arms are laying straight. I was jolted imto an awakened state by my forearms popped up twice off the bed, like a praise Jesus gesture, perpendicular to the surface with elbows still on the bed. I sometimes get the sleep twitches but this was a bit too intense. I gave it another whirl last night half expecting it to happen again, which is a surefire way of not letting it happen as was the case. Even letting go of expectations is a form of expectation it seems.

>>41585507
Weird, are you sure it was your physical arm and not within your mind? Like if you were in a deep state without noticing, that you weren't even feeling your physical body anymore?

wake up thread, saw a fun meme >>41585983

>>41579440
I had a similar experience for f12, and similar doubts at f10
Just keep at at it, you'll eventually realize that yes you were at f10 the whole time. If it really bothers you that much, pay attention to your cognition while doing the tapes vs wide awake. You'll realize that the difference between the two is evidence for focus 10.
As for f12, all I can say is just keep doing it. I have doubts about it myself and it will probably be a similar realization as I had for f10.

>>41579440
>a month and a half of consistent use
If you mean you started a month and a half ago that's perhaps and even likely is a short time to move to F12, like, you are failing asleep with Orientation, take it slowly, give each tape from each wave at least a couple of months.
>>41587909
>As for f12, all I can say is just keep doing it. I have doubts about it myself and it will probably be a similar realization as I had for f10.
I wouldn't to tell you what is the difference between the two for me so you don't acquire any biases but you have the right mentality, keep going, it will come to you eventually.

bump

Is there anything in that 50 GB collection torrent that could help with the main wave tapes? Besides the waves themselves, obviously
Also bump

Been trying to use the tapes for a few days but I just can't, I either get a strong headache or feel really sick every single time

>>41593085
>that could help with the main wave tapes?
the fuck do you mean?
help with your brain waves?

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>>41593757
>main wave tapes
I'm talking about these, pegged them as the important stuff and everything else in the collection as supplementary material

>>41579162
Please tell us about the location of moles on your arms.

>>41595281
oh pardon me, I obviously I was not that good in my brain waves that moment
but that's a good question arguably all of them are could help, depending on your needs
personally, I've been trying the lucid dreaming series, not sure if it will help but seem somewhat related

speaking of which, for the main series, the later tapes seem to differ a bit, while the other archive (and torrent), will have all three variations for the later tapes (wave 5 and 6)
are they mostly the same in content? or do you guys have a preferred locutor?

Focus 10 - warm feeling in hands like energy pooling there super relaxed when come out of it

Focus 12- feels like I’m in a rocking boat ??? Haven’t got passed this yet am I doing this right ? Any tips ?

>>41595842
>feels like I’m in a rocking boat
I mean like swaying/waiving ?
That's probably a good sign desu

>>41593085
There's quite a lot if you're prepared to go digging and have genuine interest such as Going Home.

>>41593085
>>41595281
I don't get it, you need help with the waves? Read the manual inserts?
and bump

>>41579483
>Previous thread, there was some talk, of how SR actually helps out with clarity, and vise versa as well in some regard.
i will tell you right now, if i've recently coomed i cannot focus, ill listen to 2 or 3 gateway chapters either falling asleep or laying there without getting in trance state or even to focus 10. if it's been long enough that i'm extremely horny i can get in to focus 10 within minutes.

Hey I was wondering if I can start this today while having drink and smoke (I can't sleep without it). Does I need some type of preparation before going to bed or I just put the sound and sleep

>>41579162
I haven't really kept up with it very well. Still on the first batch of tapes. I only made it to focus 10. I have noticed that my imagination is substantially clearer though. Also, whoever I do meditate with a tape I emerge super relaxed and with far greater focus.

>>41601009
Yeah, absolutely. Just chill out and listen to tape 1. It'll say you should be sober but I mean just do what you can. It's better than not doing it at all, right?

>>41601189
Do you have any interview or does there is some common knowledge about AP under influence ?

>>41601009
you don't actually need to sleep with the tapes, in fact its better if you don't, but its usually better if you tired and relaxed,
its a fine line between being relaxed enough to let go, but being awake enough to be aware,
don't worry too much about it either, because it may take some tries to get used to it, you will get better
also, I found that doing these took out any disability to get a proper night's sleep without any aid, so you may too as well

>>41601628
thanks for the comment.
I will try to do drug less in time while working on Ld and ap

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I got I want to say half way through the tapes before I felt like I wasn't getting what I wanted out of them so instead I've spent most of my time just practicing to get to focus 10. I'm Getting better at it but I still wouldn't say that my body is fully asleep, just relaxed while I work on visualization.

So it seems the originals tapes with Monroe only really go as far as Wave IV - Adventure.

Between the new locutors, do you prefer Laurie Monroe or Honeycutt?
Speaking of which I just did the first tape of those, "advanced focus 12", and what the fuck is this timing, I barely finished my affirmation and it was already expecting me to have reached focus 12, then just I was getting to enjoy the free flow he came back again telling me to close it up.

>>41579226
>can't even manifest an imaginary gf
the tapes aren't working bro

>>41601628
>>41601189

Hey It's me again, so I wanted to relate to my first time with the tape.
Well has excepted I don't fall in lucid dream or astral projection. But the hemisync stuff work. I feel it in my brain. I was able to forget my body and chill like nothing else it was very cool.
I will keep doing today with something on my eyes to block the light

it look promising

>>41579912
it is MK ultraing yourself, the question is if its good. I say yes.

I want to astral project using the tapes, any tips for me? Anons?

>>41602704
>and what the fuck is this timing
if that happened to you then you blitzed through the taps all the way to advanced 12.

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>>41605609
Not really Blitzed through, but was fast indeed. Though I'm sure the times were shorter on that one.
Though it is quite possible I just have a really clouded mind and been distracted lately.

>>41583040
Turns out you’re still in focus 10 right now because you didn’t listen to the part where he brings you out. Make sure you don’t get behind the wheel, broski

>>41605695
>fast indeed. Though I'm sure the times were shorter on that one.
Yeah, that was from own experience, at first it was like wtf, already? Then I realized I was missing being able to get into f10 real quickly if not instantly so I decided to start over at a much slower pace.
I agree about the cut off time though, at the *gatewaytapes* subreddit there were some attempts at remastering/remixing some of the focus levels into a much longer duration, unfortunately the intellectual property owners have gained control of the place and I've no idea what happened with that.
You might want to search it to see if maybe the links are still up, or if you have a reddit account contacting the posters, no idea how that would go.
I've also heard the expand app has some 2 hour focus tracks but imo it's just not the same, might be different for you though.

>>41606728
yeah I'm probably gonna go back to some earlier ones, though I think mostly I got them right,
some earlier ones are also just useful still,
for example imo, nothing of value was added into advanced focus 12, that wasn't already in free flow 12,
though for general free flow I guess I would just go with the binaural from >>41438458

also meanwhile I've been looking into the H-Plus, Mindfood and etc
focused on Lucid Dreaming I guess, but might even try the freedom from smoking too

>>41579912
Museum Of Tarot on Youtube has like a 5 minute video saying the tapes kinda "copy" Robert Monroe's brainwave patterns and "paste" them onto listeneners, so that they can experience his brain state. I'm paraphrasing of course, but it's like simulating his patterns, so you can enjoy. Not sure if he's right or wrong. Maybe it does open doors to higher states of consciousness, maybe it's all CIA MK Ultra 2.0 or something.

>Related:
Astral Projection
Lucid Dreaming
Manifestation

Did anyone here or you know visit "the hill" that people are talking about in the Telepathy Tapes podcast? been hearing you need pure intentions and a kind heart to enter. since I'm unable to astral project I thought this is the right place to ask.

>>41608535
>nothing of value was added into advanced focus 12, that wasn't already in free flow 12
Agreed, I got the same impression, I guess there was turmoil around the time of wave 5, what with Monroe's departure and shit, I think that is why there are three versions of wave v, unguided, guided with Monroe's daugher and guided with the Honeycutt guy. Now that we touch that point
>do you prefer Laurie Monroe or Honeycutt?
imo both are an acquired taste, pick one and try to get used to it, if it's a no go then switch to the other, it's all about what you feel more comfortable with.

>>41610009
That's exactly what I though, so does it mean tape V and later were not part of the original Gateway Program?
Or was the unguided one still dated back?

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>>41579483
This doesn’t work for homosexuals son. Stay clean now.

>>41579483
Put all your pornographic thoughts inside the box.

im still trying to remote view the cards. i did two more sessions. first session i was completely off focus and my mind was drifting hard. i guessed 8 of clubs and it was king of hearts. second one i did was without the tapes but following the same EBT visualization. I was super focused and locked in. i felt 4 of diamonds and it ended up being 4 of spades. might make a spreadsheet as i go to better track results.

This is just glorified fucking mindfulness meditation

>>41611476
Shame, your previous tries were very promising. Keep trying.

>>41579162
i'm not entirely convinced that they aren't a mkultra psyop to program your subconscious.

>>41614250
Take the dip

>>41614535
too risky, to little to gain, you can get there without the tapes, it may just take a bit more time.

also you can make your own binaurals, i kinda want to make a foss alternative where you can see how the files are generated.

>>41614250
Monroe Institute was already its own standalone entity before the Army approached Monroe during the Cold War. The Soviets were using psychic research and so the US had to as well. Monroe and McMoneagle had already more or less figured out remote viewing at that point and were researching deeper things such as out of body travel and so on. The Gateway training you can take at the Monroe Institute RIGHT NOW is literally the same thing they used for the Army's training.

TL;DR: Gateway is its own thing and the CIA are parasites

>>41610931
yeah but I need to do that all the time in real life,

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going to keep tracking my guesses like this.

>>41615519
You really should try something more complex, like the sequence of numbers the manual suggests
and perhaps also something further away, speaking of which do you just the same method they do on the tape?

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>>41617104
I'm really just seeing if it's worth my time, I'm a skeptical mind but early results compared to probability are intriguing. Ideally I would want a third party to help me setup some tests in the future but I do not know anyone in RL that I would feel comfortable sharing this with.

pic related is a probability simulation of 40 rounds.

>>41610690
I think the original wave 5 and 6 unguided versions were replaced at some point in time for guided versions but if you check it out the exercises were changed too, I do think Monroe's departure around that time played a part but maybe they had lower demand also?

>>41614819
> Monroe Institute was already its own standalone entity
yea but that's the thing, i'm not entirely convinced that monroe himself wasn't a glowie.

the CIA are indeed parasites, but i'm not sure we can trust the tape that's all.

>>41620025
Be paranoid if you want, lad.

>>41579162
The tapes open you up to being haunted. Just use a ouiji board for the sane results.

>>41579162
you forgot
>I am more than my physical body. And because I am more than physical matter, I can perceive that which is greater than the physical world.

>>41583861
bobs says to release fear to get out. maybe work on that, anon.

>>41583861
Anon, you and I are the same. It literally took me 15 years to have my first oobe. One of the things I figured out was I had to let go. "Left brained" people are too analytical at times, and think there is something special that has to be done in order to get out, but the thing o discovered is we just have to stop analyzing and let go.

Try this anon. This is what worked for me. And you may be like me and it takes a long time to get in the best state to have an experience. I always thought I had to be deep in mediation or something similar, but all you need to do is have your mind stay awake and your body to fall asleep. I promise that is possible.

I use a combination of techniques. The goal is to get yourself lost in your imagination. First I use Bob's technique and get to focus 10. Don't put a whole lot of thought behind getting to focus 10. It's all about your intentions. So I start with my energy conversion box, then resonate tuning, then your affirmation and then go to focus 10. After you're in this relaxed state, with no effort, imagine yourself getting out of your bed (or wherever you're at). After you get out of bed in your imagination, just explore. Just go and do whatever you choose. Have conversations or just walk around. Literally just imagine walking or doing whatever you want. Stay as absolutely relaxed as you can during this process and let your mind wander. Eventually you will leave your body if you're able to keep your mind awake and your body is sleeping. I promise this will work. Just continue to be patient and to remember the trick is not doing something special, it's having the ability to completely let go. I forgot to mention is you have any fear or anxiety in your life, it could work against you. And one last thing, make sure you have as much time as needed while you're in this relaxed state.

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Just had a big breakthrough yesterday, just prefacing that I didn't expect it at all, had off schedule day, because of late night out, slept through the afternoon when actually listening to some tapes without remembering anything. And then only to sleep pretty late around 4am.

I just remember being out of my body when I got to realize I'm aware, did the nose test and then looking at my own hand and indeed it was melting. I was able to float around and see my room, when I tried to roll I felt pretty much the same thing I did while listening the tape exercises, that is, I rolled but still felt my body resistance in bed.
That said, I was completely unaware of my body otherwise, and besides being aware it was sort of like a fuzzy conscious, really dreamlike.
I tried going around, and I was hearing voices and people, but as I tried to go far it almost felt like the connection got weak and fuzzy, and I also was feeling a pressure in my neck.
So I decide to just go back and wake up, it was fairly easy actually, it was then I actually felt the sleep paralysis but it was very tranquil and I could just wake up on will, turns out the pressure on the neck was just my comforter natural weight, which really isn't uncomfortable at all.

So then I just woke and reflected, and back to sleep straight up. Quite simple my first natural OBE I guess. wgmi

>>41623584
How long have you been doing the tapes? I've never had an OBE, closest thing was dreaming I had one.

I’m deaf in one ear. Will the hemisync tapes still work for me?

>>41623628
Must have been a couple of months, I'm this anon btw >>41608535 >>41602704

>>41623666
trips checked, and if actually deaf and I don't they will work really, you could try just testing,
check a regular binaural just to see if you can hear the beat, if you hear only one steady tone, it means it really doesn't work

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Snack these from the other fan thread
I think its AI generated, but pretty good actually.

Foci 12 and up do not actually exist

>>41625740
i swear i have a double or triple + me with shadow memories. shadow jobs, girlfriends and friendships. i even remembered a shadow memory/dream i had months if not years before when i saw a shadow friend. the shadow gf/jobs stuff doesn't happen as much anymore but seemed to happen more when i lived abroad. it seemed like my soul was confused due to the geographic change.

>>41625789
for you

>>41602931
>even the gf I imagine knows I'm a fucking creep trying to possess her
0 game

>>41625740
It's my conjecture that physical reality is something like a "hard shell" around the more malleable inner layers that make up totality. Are we just the protective outer layer of some kind of inconceivable egg?

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>>41625740

>>41625740
>>41629102
these are great thank you

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>>41629102

>>41630890
I appreciate it too, but I'm not the author

I had another """"OBE"""". I really can't tell if I'm actually astral projecting or merely lucid dreaming.
It's too persistent for me to be able to chalk it up to being a dream. They all start the same way, with me actively desiring to Lucid/AP during the day. Then when it happens it starts with me being in my body on my bed and having to "roll out" away from my body, and end up in my apartment bedroom. It is distinct because my normal dreams never start that way ( or, I don't ever remember them starting that way otherwise ). Also, I NEVER dream I'm in my apartment as well.
I could decide that's evidence enough that I'm really having an OBE and not just dreaming. But my problem is that it's also not my fully conscious awake sense of self either. Which defeats the point, IMO. What's the point of astral projecting if I'm not lucid enough to be productive while doing it?

>>41632715
I guess you just need for devise a means to recognize you're in that state WHILE you're in that state. It should rouse the mind enough to give you the clarity to act with volition. Monroe's tapes do exactly this with his voice coming through at key points during the process.

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>>41632715
So you mean to actually have fallen asleep and then have these experience.
Sounds like what happened to me in >>41623584

First of all, just having intention, knowing what you do is already a form of lucidity. You can try the tests liek I did, looking at your hand if it melts away, and pinching your nose but continue breathing. It was pretty weird actually as I could feel the nose pinch and still breath normally.

To actually differentiate between just dreaming about it, its a hard question but as you said, dreams are just more random.
I was sure about mine because of the way it happened and ended, like coming back to sleep paralysis and waking up.

Though really I think worrying about it too much is a fruitless effort, because I feel like they're both in the same realm of awareness, sort of.

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>>41634100

I have audio-only tapes enhanced with isotronic beats. How do I Pattern without the verbal guidance, whilst using Focus 12?
I did F15 once, very trippy, left me a bit weird. I'm making a guideline plan to reach all the way up to F27 within 2026

Stop spamming this disgusting AI filth.

>>41579162
>>Archive
>https://mega.nz/folder/Ns9mhDSC#iKKxSnq5EoG_GxYLeylrSg/folder/o1UE0ZwK
>>Gateway torrent
>https://files.catbox.moe/hv5uef.torrent
>>Hemi-Sync huge archive
>https://files.catbox.moe/dyq6l4.torrent
Are these three the same? Because I want to download the archive but I don't have Mega account and can't pay for it.

So I had a OBE and rose about 10 feet about my body. Tge problem was, I was worried that if my body was unoccupied, a foreign entity could enter it while 'I' was gone. In retrospect, I can see how I was wrong to return prematurely, but is there any reason for concern about the body?

>>41638034
No, it's still your body. You can rouse yourself from it anytime. In fact, manually waking yourself up seems to enable better remembrance of the experience.

>>41579162
Hello. I read somewhere that when in your astral body you can get knowledge or see in the future and past ~3000 years. If this is true and there is eternal knowledge waiting in the higher astral planes, can anyone say with certainty what happened at some point in time? If i were to travel ti the period of Alexander the great, would i be able to see what he was up to? Also, in the causal body this is supposes to go up to 3mil years, because time is not linear as in the physical world. Is there any truth in this and has anyone been able to "time travel" while in a higher state of consciousness?

>>41638110
I could feel myself wanting to be pulled up through my ceiling, but prematurely slowed I to return. Next time I'll allow myself to continue moving. Thank you for the reassurance anon. Very interesting how it was completely dark in my room, however I could see 360degrees without light. As in, I could see the shape of my surroundings.
Persist, anons. I hope you make it. I will too.

This is going to sound crackers but could someone use these to overcome trauma? I have some kind of survivors guilt from an awful event and the older I get the worse I feel.

>>41639334
I think so, it's helped with mine, at least to better understand what really happened so I can better deal with some stuff.

>>41637314
Yeah, the gateway torrent is pretty much the same as the mega, but the huge archive includes a lot more stuff related to the hemi-sync in general.

What files are you actually playing? The original cassettes or the newest?

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>>41638195
You don't even need to astral travel, you can remote view Alexander. As far as time travel, yes it's possible. The problem with a lot of these "paranormal" activists is if you spend a lot of time with normies, their beliefs rub off on you, making time travel out of you reality. Of course everything can be over come no matter your situation, though.

>>41639902
The original have quite a lot crackling issues, I don't see a reason not to use the newer versions.

Why is it im always so close to reaching OOBE but i just cant get there. I mean i know the reason is fear, as i just get slightly jolted and surprised when i realize im in a way different state of consciousness. I can get to this state easy in about 25 mins, i get the weird chilly but not cold feeling, numb, sparkling limbs etc but how do i stop being afraid of the new sensation of pre-OOBE state?

i found "focus 10 free flow" to be the best one for me so far.

>>41643141
Some people are just paranoid. I knew someone who had the original tapes at some point and he would refuse to use the new recordings because he said they were tampered and didn't work. He always wanted to astral project and now he's dead because he got a heart attack after being obese all his life.

>>41643565
I had spontaneous weird OOBE feelings around F15 I think it was. Either way, it's better to focus on developing your own technique with that tapes being more of a guide, training wheels. If you have fear spend more time beforehand calming down or maybe enter and exit a state repeatedly almost like wading into cold water. Also I recommend not "focusing" on the OOBE. These things are strange. Similar to dreams and psychedelics, it's best to allow the experience to come to you as opposed to chasing it, even when it starts revealing itself. It's like a flirtatious woman.

>>41645432
I wonder how you knew him, but that's kinda just sad.
To think people will fluctuate around this but never really get into it.
Even tho I'm now in a sort of plateau, not really practicing it much, I'm glad I got to experience what I did.
Reading on the Journey's out of the Body book now, I can relate more and more.
Its just a little bit frustrating how inconsistent it all is.

Any tips on getting to F10 faster? Messing around with intro to F12, do all the "rituals" with a couple of minutes to spare before he starts the countdown to 12, but I believe I definitely need more time with a quiet mind
My experience during the countdown so far is kind of feeling a *very* minor expansion, but only if I imagine my shit expanding. If I just do nothing and let stuff happen, then nothing happens at all
I think cutting the affirmation out might be worth it, since I can't fall asleep if I keep thinking about stuff
Also, it's fucked that the transition to F10 is subtle enough that I can only really realize I was in it post factum

>>41647727
I had the exact same problem, see >>41602704
don't know how to help exactly maybe get clear mind, go back to earlier tapes
I think just being in a chill day where there is not much going on, plus I strongly think having some abstinence (both from fapping and heavy meals, and perhaps busy media) may help out
One thing I have yet to try out is just meditating a little before going to the tape itself.

Also worth mentioning, you're mention to sleep into it, in fact, its even advisable to do in the early mornings, while still somewhat groggy and not too awake that you can't get back to sleep.
That's called the WBTB. Its fine balance, and indeed its just hard to find the right days.

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>>41579440
I've done the first track for two weeks, focus 3, and I feel like I've got a handle on it now. Has anyone done a guide on how long to take on them or what's too fast?

Funny enough, just as I mentioned above, today I tried again the five messages tape, maybe a couple weeks later, but now in a much more focused place.

So it started slow as expected, but I was able to get F10 just fine, first message I could only imagine something like a sheriff star, second the imagine of a ornate cross came to me, but nothing much more in either of those.
Third message I suddenly felt a wave feeling and then a strong pull, immediately my body felt tingling and somewhat tight, I just hanged there without knowing what it means, fourth message really didn't seem much at all, just rested there chill for a while.
Now the last message, I felt again the pull, taking me higher, felt like taking me to another plane, but like a I only had a glimpse of it before coming back.

>>41650863
Just take at your own pace, there is no harm by going fast if you feel like it, you can always go back to earlier tapes

>>41647727
>do all the "rituals" with a couple of minutes to spare
You are sorely mistaking if you think it's "rituals"
>I think cutting the affirmation out might be worth it
oh my...perhaps consider finding another binaruals system or even isochronics.
>since I can't fall asleep if I keep thinking about stuff
I don't think it is about falling asleep wtf

>>41650863
>what's too fast?
Like the anon >>41651591 says, if the curiosity compels you to to move fast it's ok because eventually you will hit a point where you won't know what to do and you can always go back if you need to, but imo the slower pace you adopt the better it will be later on, there is absolutely no need to rush.

>>41648268
>meditating a little before going to the tape itself
Been doing that, definitely helps, but I guess it's not good enough for this problem
>WBTB
Tried that, too, lmao, but that got way too annoying and I didn't see any difference either so I quit. FWIW the most successful attempts I've done happened just before bedtime, but that is also inconsistent
>>41651720
>You are sorely mistaking if you think it's "rituals"
The word is in quotes for a reason, I couldn't come up with a better one-word term on the spot
>oh my...perhaps consider finding another binaruals system or even isochronics.
You know what would be helpful? Elaborating on the issue with that line of thought instead of going "oh my sweet summer child" like a fucking redditor, holy shit
>I don't think it is about falling asleep wtf
Body asleep, no? And to me it seems like it clearly isn't just yet at the moment I've described in the post. Makes sense to me to use what helps me fall asleep, just gotta keep the mind awake, which doesn't seem to be an issue

>>41652819
First of all you should read the accompanying booklets.
And the one the thing would really help is mentioned there:
>just go into without expectations, and keep practicing
this can't be overstated, everyone experience is different, and expecting a certain assumption of how it will go usually detracts from the experience,
when you're at it, just relax and enjoy, and let it take you wherever it takes
for the first weeks I just slept a lot through the tapes, leave the analyzing for later, and redo the tapes where you feel the need to

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>>41642264
last one of the bump pics
and I'll be gone for a couple of days, so I'm counting on you the keep the thread afloat

bup

>>41579162
Magic doesn't exist. Good luck with whatever you're trying to accomplish.

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Not sure what the exact cause is, as I'm doing sr as well, but I've had 2 oobe these past two weeks. I use the Lester Levenson/Sri Ramana technique of meditating on the concept and idea of 'I' along with the focus 10 and one patterning app.

Exciting stuff, and I can't wait to do another session.
As an aside, is the one month patterning meant to be done every day for a month?

>>41625740
Thanks for all the infographics anon

>>41654270
thanks anon

>>41617320

Can you pastebin the script you used to do this? I want to keep track of my guesses as well once I get to the remote viewing tapes sectopm. Also do you force a guess every time? What I mean is, are there not times when nothing comes up in your mind?

I feel like I'm doing a bunch of things wrong here. I'm still on tape 3-4. I just dont understand focus 10. I dont get it. He never goes into details about what Im expected to do or what the state is supposed to feel like. All he does is count down.

On another topic. I have been mainly using these tapes to lowkey meditate and fix my poor sleeping habits. I notice when I do a session before bed, I feel completely refreshed after only 6-6.5 hours of sleep. This is unheard of for me as I routinely need 8-9 hours without feeling tired. My sleep must just be soo poor that it requires so much time.

Lately though I've been using the tapes to forecast next day sporting events for gambling purposes. My results so far have been "lucky" and nothing that could positively be looked at as just simple luck. I did hit my very first time on a very improbably bet but then I think I tried to force things and duplicate it the next 2 nights in disaster. Much like how you go into your sessions sometimes with a card in your mind and try and force things. That's why I wanted to ask what you do when no card jumps out for you. Do you plant some seeds or let it go?

Keep in mind, I dont give a fuck about sports gambling or trying to get "rich" off of gambling. I just want to prove to myself that I have this ability. Once that happens I can target things much better elsewhere

>>41664356
The tapes do put you in a relaxed state. You're probably refreshed because you jumped into theta.

It's so unfair that some people can AP from the start. Bob Monroe could do it without the tapes.

>>41664522
see >>41625740
in theory, every can and does AP naturally every night
but they just don't remember,
>unfair
indeed, I can barely remember dreams, maybe time to put on the aluminum foil cap

>>41664522
This is why I don't believe that AP is real and they are just confusing lucid dreaming in a relatively familiar environment as AP.
Because if you AP somewhere you've never been, you won't be able to call out the "wrongness" anyways.
Remote viewing kind of puts a wrench into that theory, but then again it could be a sort of confidence game + cold reading. ( say something vague and plausible and only give more if you are correct )

>>41664562
>>41665313
>This is why I don't believe that AP is real and they are just confusing lucid dreaming in a relatively familiar environment as AP.
Could be, can't say if it's unfair or not but I do know the environment plus personal life context can bear a weight into it. Problems, worries, depression, SSRIs or the likes.
Somewhere Robert Monroe says that after working on your emotional body you'd be able to leave your body more easily. I think it's in wave 2 or 3.

>>41665830
makes sense

Just finished another freeflow s10 session ( been doing it on and off, probably on average of once a week for a couple of years )
I think I accomplished something, getting the true state of "body asleep, mind awake".
Normally in f10 I can't really tell if my body is asleep even if my mind is awake.
This time I was certain my body was asleep, because I was almost asleep until Monroe did the "remember your purpose" and I was brought back to noticeable clarity. And of course, if my mind was practically asleep then of course my body must have been.
It's a difficult state to maintain, I went back and forth between an awake mind and borderline sleep multiple times.
I had actually thought that I had slept through the recording and had the urge to check but I ignored it. I was right to ignore it, time just moves very slow in that state, eventually I got to the part where it tells you to go back to full waking state.

>>41666616
Do you think Monroe's narration is helpful to keep your mind awake or do you think that it is distracting?

>>41666648
It was noticeably helpful this time.
I usually get startled the 1st time he did the 'remember your purpose" in a session, but after that I'm fine.
This session I was still startled the 1st reminder, but every time after that it was very helpful in regaining clarity.

>>41583861
yep yep same thing, I tried numerous times but it never amounted to anything relevant

all the people that said the tapes affected them are just sad schizoids attributing random things in life as wish-fulfilment, nevermind that pretty much no one gets banger altered states from using them

>>41614250
I wish the tapes were actually an mk ultra psyop but they don't do anything

>>41622125
>and let go
what do you even mean by this, even when I am listening to the tapes and don't bother with visualizations and instructions it still ends up as nothing
if you vizualise then you don't let go and nothing happens, if you don't vizualise then nothing happens

>>41664522
Bob Monroe could do it after spending months huffing gas and glue, this is literally it and don't let his fanboys tell you otherwise

>>41666910
>no one gets banger altered states from using them
But I do. Just because you don't consider the more mundane states interesting doesn't mean its not happening.
This is like saying "wtf is the point of meditation? It's just schizo nonsense" because you've never reached the 3D Void or lucid dreamed.
> if you don't visualize then nothing happens
Lol. Do you have aphantasia? Have you never had a dream before?

>>41667005
bold of you to assumed I never lucid dreamed or never had an OBE, they were never triggered by listening to the tapes

>Have you never had a dream before?
I write pages sometimes in my dream journal and have had ultra-HD resolution dreams, stop being a condescending moron next time

>>41667349
>all the people that said the tapes affected them are just sad schizoids attributing random things in life as wish-fulfilment
>bold of you to assumed I never lucid dreamed or never had an OBE, they were never triggered by listening to the tapes
Pedantic retard. Can't even keep your larp straight.

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I watched a video by "Museum of Tarot" and he did research on the tapes and found out those sounds are the brainwaves? of a person. You are tuning yourself to the person's brainwaves instead to normal binaural beats or whatever. Only tried GATE once and got frustrated, because the idiot made new stuff up that wasn't mentioned in the previous video throwing me off the groove.

Should I check my history and post the vid link?

>>41667464
That guy is a competing grifter whose business strategy is to get clickbait by making these conspiracies about the tapes on tiktok and youtube then sell his alternative tapes online. The fact I've heard about him multiple times on here shows it has worked well.

>>41667464
It is kind of frustrating how resonant tuning is "breathing in" clean energy and exhaling out unclean energy "through feet" but then when you get to energy food suddenly it's supposed to be through the center of the palm and no mention of exhaling unclean energy.

If it was a fantasy story I'd be calling it a plot hole, retcon, or the author forgot how their own power system worked.

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>>41667751
What
>>41667475
I can't recall him promoting anything. If he did though, what says his aren't better or if we believe him, they are what the GATEs are supposed to be?

>>41667943
Neither are good and the whole binaural audio genre is a scam for modern attention deficit brains who can't fathom just sitting in daily dharana meditation for the same length of time as the tape even though that'd give way more benefits than taking a nap to bob monroe's $1000 guided relaxation ocean sound and sine wave cds

Love all the FUD. I've literally had 2 real oobe these past two weeks. No larp.

>>41668020
>for modern attention deficit brains who can't fathom just sitting in daily dharana meditation for the same length of time as the tape even though that'd give way more benefits
enlightenment is a marathon, not a race

I was doing the release and recharge tape today, and visited the memory of my old childhood room from back then. Then it dawned on me. realized that a bunch of old frightful dreams that I had as a 3-4 year old might have been OBEs. Me floating above the bed against my will and being scared not being able to go back, the melting hands, other... stuff. I don't think I've experienced anything after that. It was an interesting revelation. Somehow those dreams I've always remembered, maybe they were something other than dreams

>>41668020
>dharana meditation
And how does one accomplish OBE or remote viewing from simply that?

No wonder literal jeets couldn't pioneer any of this despite having a thousand plus year head start yet Bob Monroe shitted on your retarded morons in a few decades...really makes you think.

>>41668344
>And how does one accomplish OBE or remote viewing from simply that?
When you go deep enough in one-pointed concentration, your consciousness frees itself from the physical body automatically. It's the same mechanism as the gateway tapes. Mystics have been teaching this since the beginning of recorded history under different names, you never bothered to learn about it.

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>>41668457
Any books or vids you can recommend on that? Some people here never meditated, let alone this kind of meditation you mentioed

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>>41668473
Dharana Darshan is pretty good. You don't really need books or videos though, the practice is really simple. The anon in pic related taught it pretty well. I archived some of his threads if you wanna check them out.
https://files.catbox.moe/t453nu.pdf

>>41668473
If you want a non 4chan source or hindu source, this is a good one in the context of thai forest buddhism about the power of this word repetition concentration practice for out of body experiences, although of course the monk tells him he's not supposed to be astral projecting:
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/thai/phut/sao.html

>>41668560
why the fuck are there 193 pages

>>41668665
It's every thread that anon ever made afaik, there's no need to read it all.

>>41668679
>>41668560
there's a major flaw with what anon is writing
anon says that it's something anyone can do and anyone has access to, but that isn't true
it's limited by:
information - just the concept of meditation itself isn't even universal humans, let alone everything alive
health - someone may be cognitively or physically incapable of this kind of meditation
time - someone may not necessarily have time to be able to meditate for 1-3 hours every day for at least a few months, such as slaves.

So the "exit button" is a privilege for an extremely small slice of physical life. How can that be intentional?

>>41668749
The only real universal and intended "exit button" is death. Everything else is for the very few.

>>41668560
How is this different from TM? I don't like mantra meditations, I'd rather stick to concentrating on my breathing than concentrating on a mantra. matter fact, I'll just stick with gateway targeted meditations as the results have been wonderful in only a short amount of time. You can keep your gobbly-gook about mantras and chakras and hindu mysticism. I'll trust guys like Thomas Campbell or deep researchers like Jason Jorjani on the power of Gateway and what it's accomplished in only a short amount of years.

>>41666910
>>41667349
>reeee the tapes are useless reeee everybody saying otherwise are sad schizos reeee altered states this and that reeeeee
wtf...
>Bob Monroe could do it after spending months huffing gas and glue
aahhhh...the huffing glue bot is back, that explains it

>>41668781
TM is a scam but it's definitely similar. Jurgen Ziewe is a well known new age astral projection author and he got all his experiences after learning to meditate via TM. Thomas Campbell was a TM student as well, and teaches a similar meditation:
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/w4wcsd/meditation_according_to_thomas_campbell/
>I'd rather stick to concentrating on my breathing
Can't remember the academic article I read but they gave a compelling argument that the breath is an objectively a worse object for concentration, that it's much more difficult for the mind to concentrate on, and because it becomes less apparent as the meditation goes on whereas a mantra becomes more and more clear. Mantra is considered the easy path.
If you're getting good results, good for you. If the ultimate goal is to be able to close your eyes and project anytime you want within a few minutes, I doubt you'll ever get there using guided meditations, but anything is better than nothing.

>>41668758
>The only real universal and intended "exit button" is death.
exit from what exactly?
according to that logic then slaves do not deserve the privilege of an optional exit button, just death?
damn bruh, that Dharana quality is really shinning true!

>>41668817
>exit from what exactly?
The physical body?
>according to that logic then slaves do not deserve the privilege of an optional exit button, just death?
As opposed to what?

>>41668811
checked. Good rebuttal, sir. I will take your thoughts in consideration. Thank you.

Bob speaks about these I-there clusters that work together as cold thinking machines projecting incarnations out into different realities and stuff. Is there any way I could drag all of them to a lower astral hell for putting me through this much pain? I think it's deserved

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Anyone have any experience with isochronic tones in comparison with gateway tapes? I have one if these older devices that I mess around with. But, if I memorize the gateway procedures, I could do it while listening to the isochronics which seem to entrain much deeper due to the added visual element

>>41670580
Vindication is not the way. As iron sharpens iron, the adversary is here to simply make you better/stronger. The enemy is a very good teacher.

>>41670905
Vindictive*

>>41668796
the huffing glue story is 100% true

how much should I stay on Introduction to focus 10 and Advanced focus 10? Introduction seems to me like it only needs to be done like, twice, while advanced focus is something like, a week. am I right?

>>41671742
yeah that sounds about right. the main thing is to be able to get everything timed out where you remember all the steps plus can count your focus levels out where you are where you need to be by the time Monroe shouts in your ear. You don't want to be chiling in focus 7 where you counted to and he yells out Ten to you. Some of the later exercises don't have much narration from my memory and it got a little difficult in that respect.

>>41668811
>If the ultimate goal is to be able to close your eyes and project anytime you want within a few minutes,
No, the ultimate goal is projecting while awake without even trying.

>>41670899
I had never heard about this, what is it exactly?

>>41671742
you wont feel anything either way no matter how many times you repeat

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>>41672275
It creates isochronic toned sessions where it uses visual lights and sound to entrain the mind similar to how the binaural tones work in the gateway tapes.
The isochronic tones don't have any instructions, but there is a way to aux instructions to the device so you can add another audio track to the tones. The sessions aren't linear, they ramp up and have deeper trance states etc.

It works pretty well. That model is called a limina, I believe. But there is a newer version of it.

>>41673573
This sounds very interesting!
I searched and it's expensive, a shame it's not just video files that could be shared and watched on a cheap cardboard VR set with a smartphone inside.

le bump

>>41674117
I'm sure someone has made a program version if it somewhere

Anyone try LucidMe the REMSpace mask by Raduga?

So guys patterning or manifesting. How does it actually work? Its more than just wishfull thinking. And why did the documents advise against it?

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>>41676734
I think patterning is just a more structured manifestation

Still doing intro to F12, think I got a bit(?) better(??) at getting to 10 quicker and now at count to 11 I get this band of pressure, as if awareness does want to expand but can't get out of the skull, 12 just kind of fixes it in place. Not sure what to make of this
Also my left eyelid keeps opening by itself, doesn't bother me at all during the session, but I kinda don't like it

Manuals talk about going to focus 10 and visualizing red to achieve high performance in sports activities. I tried it today, I dropped into a mini-focus 10 state and visualized the barbell as the energy bar tool, in its red state. Easily front squatted and hang power cleaned my previous red-faced pop your veins kind of PRs, two of them back to back.

>>41678730
Where to read the actual manuals?

>>41676734
>And why did the documents advise against it?
where the heck did you get that from?

>>41678769
Mega link has misc folders for each CD, also more files to read

>>41579440
You gotta become very good at focus 10 first, don't try anything else before achieving it and becoming rreaaaaallllyyy good at it.

It may take 6 months, it may take a year, stick to it, you are literally creating new neural pathways here, it takes time.

>>41679159
Is there every a very clear point where you know you are there at focus 10? And can you always get there if you attempt it moving forward?

>>41679622
>Is there every a very clear point
there isn't, these tapes don't do anything

>>41679622
>And can you always get there if you attempt it moving forward?
nta
that anon is right because if you check the last two threads there's a lot of posts inquiring how to differentiate between F10 and F12, and
eventually the tapes reach a point where you are expected to reach F12 in like 10 minutes. it's better for you if you don't rush it.

and ignore the glue huffing anon at >>41679638
he's full of it.

Why is there no discord server for this shit? Or telegram group? I feel like I'm losing my fucking mind and don't have anyone to talk about when it comes to this.

>>41679638
Dude you are bullshiting. I know for a fact these tapes do shit as I've felt a lot and have gotten alot out them in such a short while.

Why are you fudding such a victim-less hobby like this? It's literally free, we all practice it as we're going to sleep instead of phone scrolling or gooning and here you are fudding something that at the very worst is a healthy organic sleep aid and at the very best can unlock metaphysical phenomena.

>>41679622
If you're falling asleep during the tapes then you're undeniably in focus 10, you just have to learn how to stay in that borderline sleep state.

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>>41679159
>don't try anything else before achieving it and becoming rreaaaaallllyyy good at it
>>41679622
that is very shit advice, there's no "getting good at it",
this is why I always newfags to read the fucking manual, like pic related
it even says somewhere that F10 is just an arbitrary number, F10 is just an drowsy state everyone gets normally before falling asleep
there is no secret magick to be felt while at it, in fact even experienced people may at times find it hard to get into state, as it depends a whole lot more on your current state of mind and body, than "skill" by itself

>>41679739
>discord server for this shit? Or telegram group?
because both are cancer, and fyi, there is a discord if you still want cancer
regardless, what do you think this thread is for?

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>>41681192
just to follow up even more

>>41681192
What's the discord?

>>41679797
>Dude you are bullshiting
no I am not
I had lucid dreams, OBEs, sleep paralysis, false awakenings, took psychedelics
so I know a bit what altered states mean

> I know for a fact these tapes do shit
they don't do shit

>and have gotten alot out them in such a short while.
like literally what. You take shrooms for example you know you are knocked out for sure. But with these binaural beats? Maybe your leg itches more than usual while you go to sleep or something.
The tapes are MARKETED as a technology that alters your state of consciousness
>BUT MAAN IF YOU DELUDE YOURSELF THAT THEY WORK THEY WILL START WORKING!!!
something either alters your waking state or not, drinking half a bottle of vodka will knock you out whether you believe it does or not

>Why are you fudding such a victim-less hobby
if a simple FUD ruins your success with the tapes maybe they are not as good as they are marketed??

>we all practice it as we're going to sleep instead of phone scrolling or gooning
and that's why they won't work. Just stick to some form of WBTB, SSILD, or whatever mental gymnastics you can do after 6 hours of sleep and that is pretty much it

>can unlock metaphysical phenomena.
it doesn't, all the threads on reddit talk about crap how they got a raise or their sniffles healed in 2 days instead of 3

>>41681855
Correct. They barely do anything for most people and it’s a place o that is not really needed. They just help some people relax. There’s nothing special about the binaural stuff.
>>41679797
You are right that it can’t do any harm and if it helps then fine. But there’s too much bullshit written about these here.

>>41622125
Not the anon you were responding to but wanted to see what you thought about my experience. I have used Graham Nichols' infra-liminal audio to put my body asleep with my mind still awake. Even though I could tell that I was in an altered state of consciousness, I felt as though I could simply "wake up" into normal consciousness at any moment. I could tell that my body was asleep because I was aware of myself snoring. I was attempting to go out of body at that point but I had no idea what to do. It felt like if I had attempted to just get up and out of my body then I would just get up and break out of any altered state that I was in and be back in normal waking consciousness. Any advice would be welcome.

>>41681855
>>41681872

Retards that can't see the forest for the trees. You can never gaslight my subjective experiences.

Ohh I see, so your issue is there is too much bullshit written here about the tapes so let me waste my precious time informing us that they don't do anything...LMAO

Go take some more shrooms and get a giant cartoon shroom tat on your anklet like a typical roastie in her 20's.

Cope and seethe.

>>41679638
>>41681855
>>41681872
samefags

>>41681192
>there's no "getting good at it"
actually, yes, there is "getting good at it", there is developing the capacity if reaching F10 very fast and even instantly and that *comes only from practice* which if you knew how to read, is what that anon is advising.

>>41681525
Oh I meant to say, there is a reddit

>>41681855
>The tapes are MARKETED as a technology that alters your state of consciousness
And where did you project that from?
Regardless, what's even your point posting here then? Just to get mad people that do use it and spread misinfo?

For everyone else, stop taking this bait, its clearly just derailing the thread.

>>41683787
>MUH PROJECTION

here you go bud
https://www.monroeinstitute.org/pages/beginner

>>41685841
Still not seeing it

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oby08eHpIOw
Thoughts?
(I'll be dammed if the schizos at /sr/ had been right all along)

>>41686289
I do this type of breathing when bob says to pull energy from around you. I breath the energy into my balls and up my spine. Also, I'm hung like the guy in your picture, in case anyone was wondering.

>>41686289
>Thoughts?
Yeah, that this is off topic as fuck and that you need to buy an ad.

>>41686956
Tye concept of a sr ad is hilarious

>>41608632
>>41667464
I bought museum of tarot’s psychic training device for $300 and used it every night for 2 hours for a month. It didn’t do shit. Not a lucid dream like the manual claims, no visions or remote viewing. It puts pressure on your brain from the magnetic field going around your brain through the wire. If you faggots don’t believe me I encourage you to buy his device so you can come back here and reluctantly tell me I was right.

>>41686956
Its been mentioned in these threads more than a few times.
And if there is any benefit to SR is clarity of mind, ie, easier to get into state, manifesting, unlocking the potential.

What do you think our Higher Self actually is?

>>41690815
projection from half-awake monkeys that can't let go of the superwise superkind allknowing archetype

>>41691971
what is this man doing on /x/
>>41690815
I don't believe in Monroe's I-There concept because that'd make us very unfeeling robot algorithms running simulations and sharing information (for some reason)
Another reason why I don't believe in his I-There concept is that I once had an episode of Jungian active imagination (speaking with the true self) where I was explicitly told that I have to escape (earthly) reincarnation, whereas this I-There being wouldn't want me to 'escape' if my whole purpose is being one of these simulations run by it in order to experience earth. All in all, I think it's a rationalization of his after meeting with his divine feminine, his attempt to derive something relating to the nature of reality from a personal encounter.
The tapes and methods presented are still good, but you don't have to follow his belief system

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redditors and guru faggots have been gatekeeping OBEs for too long and im sick of it.

you dont need 6 billion lame fucking techniques.

this is how you OBE without suffering through endless bullshit :

before bed say to yourself with conviction, "i will astrally project/have an OBE in my sleep"

or

as you fall asleep, feel with conviction and knowing that your subconcious will wake you in the night to have an OBE. what follows next is open. you may either wake up already out of body or be greeted by pre-exit signals.

recently i was yanked out of my body through my feet. it can come about in different ways.

that's the most simple and clean way to do it. Ask God, ask yourself, higherself or just feel it will happen and it will. It may take several attempts but eventually it'll happen.

now im not saying techniques are completely useless but they generally are a waste of time for most people, especially if you're naturally watchful, analytical and vigilant.

>>41690815
If my "higher self" is me, that does not mean that I am my higher self.
My sense of self is determined by what I experience.
>b-but the self is an illusion!
I don't care. I experience therefore I am.

>>41693961

im not speaking with certainty but based on what ive researched the i-there or higherself is the collective of all your human lives.

your human self is the avatar you play in the earth life system. the higherself is the one who decided to log into this experience so to speak.

that's my rough understanding. so when you pray or talk to your subconscious or ask it to do things for you like here >>41693928 , that's your higherself doing the work. hence why many OBEs involve being pulled, dragged or guided out.

>>41693974
yeah and I can know for near certainty my "higher self" is a dumb cunt so I don't identify with him
>haha I made myself a socially isolated self hated retard! what a riveting experience

>>41693988

It's you whether you like it or not. You have amnesia of your whole identity or are dissociated. When you die for example, you begin to reintegrate and remember everything.

all your current complaints come from the limited scope of your localised form of awareness. if you've ever done an extreme dose of shrooms or had an NDE (even astral projected) you naturally get a sense of this like its something you remember, as opposed to learning it like a new fact.

sorry i know from this point of view it sucks but when you die (or if you're lucky enough to meet your i-there via OBE) you'll realise its something we all choose.

keep in mind none of us are forced to come here. if you're determined enough you can refuse to come back to earth but as it turns out, most of us are addicted to this experience. because life is so easy on the otherside we look for challenging experiences so we can increase the quality of our consciousness.

>>41690815
I think it's a very subjective notion, some call it the super conscious, some call it the connection to the divine, this anon >>41693477 is right when he says you don't have to adhere to Monroe's belief system.
>>41694000
don't feed the troll.

>>41694126

are you saying my post is trolling? >>41694000
or do you mean the guy having a crisis?

>>41694130
I'm saying don't feed the troll, not that you are trolling.

Lots of naysayers in here so I will share my experience. I typed this on a previous thread in less detail. It took a few weeks, but I did experience an Out of Body Experience. It happened very suddenly while I was laying on my bed listening, I just kind of sat up. I was able to look down at myself, laying there motionless.

I realized I couldn't go "back in" to my body so I started panicking and looking around my room. I had a video game main menu on my computer, and I saw an invite from my friend "Script" pop up right then. Unusual, he hadn't been online in several months. In this particular game the invites only stay on screen for a few seconds, before going under a tab so I watched and waited for it to disappear.

I tried looking over at my mirror but it was obscured by a darkness that eventually revealed a slate black surface.

A few moments later, I somehow found a way to reenter my physical body. It felt like I was flexing every muscle in my body trying to reenter it was really intense and I felt like I was suffocating.

I woke suddenly, caught my breath, and sure enough when I went over to my computer there was an invite from "Script" about 10 minutes old waiting there. My headphone cable is only a couple feet long so I know I didn't sleepwalk, or my laptop would have fallen off my nightstand. My orientation would have required me to rotate my head 180 degrees to see the screen so I know I didn't peek either.

They're also the same headphones I use at my PC so there was no audible queue for his invite.

It really fucking scared me. I have never felt so afraid, looking down at my motionless meat just laying there. I thought I had passed away. I have had lucid dreams for as long as I can remember, but never have I observed a real time event like that or been able to see my own body.

Anyways that was my experience for those saying "it doesn't work bro". They work if you want them to just like everything else in life, you just have to make an effort.

>>41694511
as anyone else's first time like this? Did you feel fear and anxiety like I did? I'm debating if that experience is really something I want mastery of.

>>41694511

being afraid isnt uncommon at all. how did you do yours btw? i cant do mine from the waking state. i have to ask my higherself to intiate it before i go to sleep.

so i ask before bed
ask as i fall asleep
fall asleep
then it happens

I don't know if this was an OBE or a dream. I managed to escape my body by just willing myself into doing it, everything was more grayish than usual, and it didn't real feel like a dream, because I was aware, but it didn't really ethereal either. I floated around a bit in my room, it was as if the wind was carrying me around like a sheet of paper, but I could still go where I wanted, then I attempted to go through a wall, and it was pretty solid, but I struggled for a bit until I succeeded, but I didn't really look into the other room, I just used the new vantage point to get another view of my room. when I went to check on my body or whether I had a silver cord or not, it wasn't there, I was left a bit surprised like: "huh... if I don't see my body, is this even real?" and then I went back into position and 'woke up'. Was this an OBE?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4XBQQod0HY
So I had found another video from this guy, from another thread.
do you guys think he is for real?

Odd that the explanation at the first half the video, pretty much explains manifestation, "in a nutshell".
Also that oddly, that the reality that we live in is the actual dream, and that the spirit realm is the only real one.

>>41694511
>>41694576
When I use the tapes, I can feel out of the body, floating and whatnot, but never can see* stuff.
But I had my first actual experience while sleeping, oddly enough trying to lucid dream. Right after listening to one of the lucid dream tapes (in the big collection).

Soon after sleeping, I found myself in my room, my conscious was really fuzzy but I realized looking at my hands and pinching my nose, I tried moving around, I wasn't scared but as I moved off I felt like a sort of interference.
I wasn't scared either, but I could sort of feel my body and weight around my neck (that turned out was just the blanket).
So then I just decided to go back in my body, was then in a brief moment of sleep paralysis that I just woke up from.

in fact I did even post about it >>41623584
already 2 weeks ago

https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/41438450/#41438458
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/41438450/#41560243

Finally got around to try this.
Thought I would give it a go before falling asleep at night, it caught me by surprise how quickly it induced the hypnogogic state but next thing I knew I was getting uncomfortable feelings, similar to when you are unable to wake up, falling down, etc... nothing nightmarish but uncomfortable enough to make me uneasy about it and at that point I was battling the need to fall asleep.
Strong stuff definitely, maybe next time I'll give it a go at a different time of the day, not before going to sleep.

>>41693477
>what is this man doing on /x/
searching for actual altered stated and their experiences

>>41696773
no you don't
you pop into every single /x/ thread discussing various themes, doing the same I'll-disprove-this-shit lame ass larp, just go back.

to astral travelers who have met astral beings, have you tried interviewing one? what if you asked it something that you couldn't possibility know like the mass of the higg's boson? this way you can differentiate if it's really a separate being with knowledge you couldn't have, or just a projection from your psyche

>>41694511
Interesting that you couldn't see the mirror. I've had 3 obe and the last 2 I could see in a complete 360 degree angle in the dark. You don't need light when having an obe it's as if you can see the 3d shapes of things around you. And yeah, it feels like you died

>>41690815
It’s a higher dimensional object (consciousness) that is projecting (You) into a lower dimension like a shadow or hologram. Think of it like a shadow cast from divine light.
My head hurts and I’m too stupid and drugged up to explain it mathematically.

>>41696005
>I was getting uncomfortable feelings, similar to when you are unable to wake up, falling down, etc
>and at that point I was battling the need to fall asleep
Nice to hear anon, shows that it works. Its not really meant to be uncomfortable, maybe it just is for you because you're unused to maintain awareness through it, and having to struggle to not sleep is a sign you were close to the intended state.
In a way, its very similar to sleep paralysis, maintaining awareness while going into sleep, and that's also whythe bells are there, to remind you of your purpose.

>>41697073
>this way you can differentiate if it's really a separate being with knowledge you couldn't have, or just a projection from your psyche
For one you just have to believe, those who met one can tell for sure it is was a different entity from somewhere else.
And also, communication doesn't work like that, its a sort of non verbal communication, and asking for an arbitrary number could be really hard to interpret.

>>41697178
>And yeah, it feels like you died
I feel like this is a misnamer, as how you possible know how you feel like you died? But probably just what we think it would feel like, base on our modern media assumptions.
Also, not seeing the mirror probably is something to do with seeing beyond the reflection.

>>41697458
>For one you just have to believe, those who met one can tell for sure it is was a different entity from somewhere else.
I don't just believe in things without proof. And that doesn't necessarily have to be the question asked. it can be anything unknown to the interviewer that would be known by an external actor. I do recommend you try it out for yourself and post results

>>41671742
should always come back to intro to 10 and advanced focus 10

>>41697508
No YOU have to try it for yourself, no one its gona make you believe besides yourself.
It actually reminds me something I forgot to write before. (I was sure I wrote this before, but I guess I got interrupted and forgot).

My actual first experience, it was way back before ever browsing these threads, I don't remember when, but maybe it was either a time where I was praying a lot, or when I began with some manifestation meditations.
But either, I remember almost clearly, it was like I was in regular dream just hanging around, when suddenly I felt a presence, I very strong presence that was hard to ignored, along with the strong vibrations we are familiar in here, the dream I was in vanished in an instant (I don't remember it).
So I just felt this presence, it was impossible to ignore, as I became aware of it, it was formless almost like a light source. For a moment it was like I was curious about it, when I suddenly realized, "you're not human". I kept repeating that in my thoughts (and maybe out loud), as it pushed away the being and I woke in a sudden rush.
I just was 100% that I had a contact with some entity, and that by being aware I was able to push away the entity, assuming it wasn't friendly, cause that was my logic at the time.

Looking back at it now, it makes a whole lot more of sense, the entity itself may have tried to communicate with me and I just pushed it away. Maybe it would actually be a good idea to apologize and try to contact that entity again.

Besides that, I had several I did also several encounters with humans that I knew of, its differente from a dream, almost feels like you had actually physical sensations with the person in question, and waking up as if you really felt the person presence right there.

And again to close up, these experiences vary a lot from person from person, and they usually come when we least expect it to. So for most of us is not something we can reliably trigger at will. or even test out.

>>41696005
I'd like to download the file but my provider blocks catbox and I'm not going to renew my vpn I haven't touched in a year. Would like to try it out.

Sometimes it worked so well, I got into focus 10 so fast then went on to higher focus easily. And sometimes, like nowadays, nothing, really nothing, it just doesn't work anymore. Did you guys ever experience this?
I am losing hope in everything these days, it's probably related.

>>41699584
You should try with 4everproxy.com or such free proxy sites.

My consciousness slipped in the background and I felt myself vibrating and fuzzy. Was I about to project?

How are OBEs exactly? I've heard opinions that they're ethereal like, similar to dreams but differen a bit though I did not quite understand how. Yet I've read in some books that they're like dreams but real-er, clear HD definition

I'm asking because I think I might have projected twice so far (the vibrations, the floating etc) while falling in and out of sleep and even during a dream, and the world I was transported to was definitely imagined (ressembled a game once) but the contrast to the dream before was so stark I knew I was projecting or at least thought so. It felt like real life, the textures, the images, the memory of it.

Did I incept myself into an upgraded dream or can you actually project even to realistic imaginary worlds?

>>41700654
I have personal experience that astral projection and OOBE are different things. Astral projection feels more like a dream, but you're not really "there". OOBE you are actually "there" and it's real. It feels extremely pleasurable actually. If your conciousness is always trapped in your body, it feels like a breath of fresh air to your soul to leave for a bit. That is, if you can get over the fear of being out of your body and not knowing if you can return. I imagine it would be similar to someone who lived their whole life walking on land without knowing about bodies of water and then this person waking up in the middle of the ocean. You don't know if you're ever going to be back on land again.
If anyone experiences this and you can stop yourself from freaking out, just know it is very, very easy to reenter your body

>>41700654
The graphs here actually sum it up pretty decently >>41625740
most OOBEs happen in the RTZ, which is pretty much the ethereal reflection of the physical world,
I don't know about everyone else, but my dreams never are the exact stuff of what they meant to represent,
On the other hand the Astral layer, I guess is much harder to distinguish between from a vivid dream.

>>41701357
>>41700654

ive had two OBEs that mapped on to normal reality almost perfectly except i could see in the dark and id hear things that werne't happening in the physical world.

ive had two OBEs where i knew i was out of body and felt seperate from it yet the world felt very "thick" and some parts were not rendering. i also saw people coming and fading away. it was more surreal than the clean OBEs ive had.

infact full clean OBEs feel practically identical to the physical world minus a few things like being able to float etc.

so this other reality i was in was neither a lucid dream or normal OBE.

>>41700949
how do you differentiate between vivid dream and astral prpojection?

>>41702368

astral projection is nothing like a dream. it feels like real life. vivid dreams dont feel real at all by comparison.

>>41702395
>it feels like real life. vivid dreams dont feel real at all by comparison.
NTA but what do you mean by comparison? Lucid dreams can feel 1:1 like real life, I can't imagine what astral projection could feel like to elevate it beyond that.

>>41699876
thanks that site worked.

>>41699876
>I am losing hope in everything these days, it's probably related.
I've seen similar comments in other threads so it's not just you, I myself feel as if something was out of place.

>>41699876
It has seemed for me that when I start a new exercise I have a very powerful experience the first or maybe second time I try it, then it seems fleeting like I can't get to that kind of similar experience, move onto the next Wave/Tape. Rinse Repeat. I need to start all over from the beginning. I really wish I documented some of my experiences.

>>41579162
>Dwell in Magic
hah MK hypnosis camp

>>41702368
A lucid dream or hyper vivid dream has that drunken/confused/slightly illogical feel. Astral projection feels like your face is smushed right up against a crystal ball looking at a place. Also it is highly detailed and coherent.

>>41703315
Based

>>41702446
what you're experiencing in and OBE isn't like a fine and giddy moment of real life, as you might feel in a lucid dream, instead you feel like the most milquetoast guy travelling around your milquetoast room, but you're able to fly

Speaking of dreams, had a weird one today.

It was a WBTB thing, I woke up early, listened to the intro to focus 12 again (just cause), and then went back to sleep after.
It didn't really have much context, I felt like I should sand my nails (which I do), but upon sanding the nail began to fully melt away, and of the fingers did as well, so I started freaking and thinking "I should not sand this hard".
But the nails all vanished like a effect in a video game, then someone who I presumably was hanging out with, came over and "just pull it out to get it over with", I panicked in a reaction but then noticed my nails were still there, that I could indeed feel them, and feel like I would irl.
And then I could see almost in 3d wire, again like a game effect, that everything there was fine, and like the message "see, you don't to worry, its fine".

So I woke up, and it got me thinking, was that actually a dream, that my subconscious came up from the subject. Or like experimenting in AP.

>>41702446

>Lucid dreams can feel 1:1 like real life

No they don't. Ive had dozens of lucid dreams and while they feel real in the moment, soon as you wake up you know already it was a dream. OBEs at no point seem like a dream. It feels as real as waking life right now and sometimes hyper-real.

>>41706363
DESU I have more vague memories of real life events than the memory of my projection in a way, I can still remember the feel of the texture of the floor or pavement, even 2 months after

reddit cucks are having some good luck with OBE's doing the Luminate App along with Gateway. Utilizes the lights on your phone in some way apparently

>>41708923
I have one of those isochronic machines mentioned previously in the thread. I would think it would fuck up your brain if you are doing light and sound stimulation simultaneously using contradictory rhythms. If you mean they are switching between both, I don't see how one would be more effective than the other as they are both single source stimulation.

>>41706363
Exactly. It feels hyper-real because you leave a lot of your ego behind

So I've been reading Monroe's book and found some interesting things to note (also note that apparently the book in the collection is broke)

> Everything seemed normal The vibrations had faded away. I got up
and walked around the room, looked out the window, smoked a cigarette.
So apparently Monroe was also a smoker, that makes me relieved. So at least I know that's not holding me back.

> The second time I attempted to disassociate deliberately, I was successful. Again I went up to
ceiling height. However, this time I experienced an overwhelmingly strong sexual drive and could
think of nothing else.
Also curious where this might lead to, as the correlation to abstinence.

> “Well, I wouldn’t be too sure,” Dr. Bradshaw replied calmly. “You ought to read something about
the Hindus. Did you study any philosophy in college?”
Ironically enough, I read this just before going to work at my part-time, where I found out one of my coworkers is a hindu, and that according to practice he masturbating at all.

Either way, seems like the vibrations are always associated with OOBEs, I wonder what they mean exactly, but either way, still no way to to trigger them in a reliable way, even Monroe in his early reports apparently could have taken weeks apart from one experience to the other.

>>41708923
sounds like you just got duped by their free advertising method
or maybe that's what you are?

>>41579162
is there any website to listen to the gateway tapes without downloading them?
I've tried downloading it in the past, but 5 gbs is too much, and that's just the zip file
I've heard that it can't be a youtube video because that site doesn't have a high enough sound quality which supposedly means that it wouldn't work

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>>41693974
Anon, the only thing that matters is you read the Bible. It will break you out of the matrix. It can redpill the fuck out of you if you let it.
You're in a dimension called the flesh, a prison, the most grand illusion ever created. There is a good you and a bad you.

The dimension of the flesh belongs to the serpent, aka lucifier.

There is one key to open the lock. Through the Holy Spirit. Let Jesus save you through His Blood, you escape and your eye becomes single.

> 16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

We are all sinners. Repentance and accepting Jesus Christ as Lord is your salvation. The path is right in front of you but you can't see it because your eyes are not open. Choose what you know in your heart is true.

Start Here -> LOCKED IN! How to ESCAPE Your Prison by Jonathan Kleck - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf5jXxf4gqw [Embed]

The Spirit of Christ is with you and the full Armor of God is on you, fren. God bless and many blessings to you.

>>41709605
>I experienced an overwhelmingly strong sexual drive and could think of nothing else.
huh, why would that be?

I just tried itwithout the gateway tapes, just sitting still in bed while listening to my favourite music (which is not relaxing, but supposedly inspiring or makes me think of fantasy worlds)

I alternated between visualising myself vivid world or in my own dream worlds, let them distort and shift and got flahed by hypnagogic scenes. Then my body started vibrating and as if it was being lifted, my head felt fuzzy and the blackness in front of my closed eyes started rippling like pouring rain on a water.

I lost it afterwards but I came close to it again just imagining sinking into myself and into the bed and then trying to get up from the bed. Thin line between visualising and actually tensing your muscles to get up

I think I might be getting closer to it bros send prayers and wishes for me

>>41710944
forgot to say that I felt my conscious self being dragged in the background, as if you or your mind are retreating in your head, leaving space for something else

I found that that is where hypnagogic states happen and where you are likely to start vibrating. I'm not sure how to force this yet, might work through just intensely imaginging you are doing this and feeling it (helps if you can remember one time when it happened) until you actually start slipping to the back of your head

>>41579162
All it takes is a little memory entanglement

>>41625740
Even if, it's pretty good indeed. I vividly remember getting out of the body (at least it felt like it) and going to fly around the place I used to live at the time, usually within half a mile radius or so. Happened fairly frequently between the ages of 7 and 10.

Well its Christmas eve it seems. Merry Christmas everyone, happy voyages.

Merry Christmas bros

Let's all meet up under the astral tree