It is objectively better for the masses to believe in Christianity, as it provides an extra layer of safety in the case that Legalism fails. Gnosticism appears to be more logical, but often leads one to insanity. Thus, Christianity should be spread to the general public rather than Gnosticism as it should theoretically protect myself and my community

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>>41596008
>Which is true?
christianity.
>Which is better?
christianity.
>Which is more beneficial?
christianity.
>Which represents Christ's true teachings
christianity.

>>41596065
Agent of the demiurge. Fuck yaldabaoth. Fuck his worshipper.

>>41596020
If your concern is "how do we make material reality better", gnosticism is not for you. Gnosticism is for those who realize that we're in a dream, the dream is a nightmare, and quite frankly it's easier to just wake up than to try and fix the nightmare that is a shared nightmare. Morally speaking, the important thing is just to not be the crab in the bucket.

>>41596111
it isn't beneficial for you to have the majority of people believing that though, regardless if that's what you choose to personally believe

>>41596123
All hail king crab, ruler of the bucket rim.

>>41596123
Actually it is beneficial for me. If I fuck up and end up reincarnating anyways, I'd like my next body to be likely to find the information I need to fucking leave. If I have to go through 50 more lives of either worship the demiurge or being a hedonistic atheist, that's a lot of material world suffering to go through.

well, owing to how gnostics are a tradition of silencing the personal will in order to hear the enlightened truth of god, whereas catholicism cant even listen to the man they claim to worship.
and by love be known as theirs

I really struggle with this. First off, I think some of the Gnostic texts surrounding the life of Jesus are bullshit. That being said, Gospel of John seems to be a polemic of the Gospel of Thomas, which I do believe could be genuine. And Paul's writings are total narcissism and contradict Jesus. I think the core principles surrounding the Monad, Demiurge, Archons, Sophia and Humanity are believable, but the mental gymnastics to try to reinterpret genesis around it are silly.

I'm curious what you guys would consider the gnostic new testament canon.

>>41596160
meti's sword manual
yes from the comic book about god commiting suicide
dont reply to me, just read it

>>41596008
"Gnosticism" is a misnomer - every single over Hellenized sect of Christianity was called Gnostic, and not all of them even agreed on what it meant.

It's come to mean those sects of Christianity that have a belief that Yahweh is the malevolent demiurge and is basically Satan, while Jesus is an incarnation of the higher divinity.

The problem is once you come to realize that a lot of these ideas actually come from Hellenism and Plato, its probably the case that this isn't what Jesus actually taught.

There was probably a sense of Satan having absolute dominion over the Earth or even the Earth being a sort of hell and Jesus providing a way to escape it via works like the Ascension of Isaiah, but it isn't the Gnosticism we see in later texts.

>>41596008
>>41596111
>>41596065
Christianity is the literally true version of Gnosticism.

>>41596008
Yeah well.
Hell won.
Accept Darkness if you're Christian and you feel sickly. Your sign will be recovery.
I daid Darkness, not satanism, lol.

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>>41596008
They allude to the same realization. Descriptions of the transcendent one in the Apocryphon of John, the Tripartite Tractate, etc. is the same realization that one comes to if they apply apophatic theology to standard Christian texts. YHWH (I AM/I AM THAT I AM) refers to the same transcendent source. It's veiled in the OT and it's veiled in the NT. What typically happens is someone comes to the mystical state/gnosis then either their ego returns and they larp it up - or people who come after miss-record and tweak shit without themselves having direct knowledge.

What i have noticed is that Gnosticism and most esoteric "christian" teachings don't have the actual goal to "provide esoteric[meaning hidden] knowledge]. Their entire goal is to corrupt Christianity and make Christians look dumb and mislead canonical Christian followers. Which explains why gnosticism is illogical in some cases and doesn't provide definite answers.

The entire goal of gnosticism is not to provide spiritually hidden knowledge but to mislead Christians.

>>41596008
Gnosticism is Luciferian because it teaches that personal enlightenment is the path to salvation.
Christianity teaches that submission to G-d is the path to salvation.

>>41596461
Esoteric Christianity is about cutting off the unnecessary fluff off the religion and directly knowning God. If you lock a man in a cave with a bible for years, he will come out filled with God. You don't need priests, idols to kiss or prayer you repeat 500+ times throughout the day.

>>41596008
"Gnosticism" = "Christianity"

Hylic labels mean nothing. The truth is within, not in the world.

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Gnosticism is observably true

Christianity is just hylic slop promising them 2 things they as material constructs will never have, a spirit and an afterlife

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>>41596461
>>41596549
Mislead them from what? Groveling to a rabbi and a cosmic narcissist? Lmao

Gnosticism is fascinating and has more to it than most other religions.

>>41596008
>gnosticism
i fell for this trap and now im followed and gangstalked by unclean spirits

Christianity is a suffering worshiping slave religion.

As for Gnosticism? From what I've heard of it, it seems like pushing the problem of evil back a layer.

Any spiritual belief which takes this place as serious, is false.

Any belief with any sort of real stakes mission, is false.

A gnostic can tell me if I have the wrong idea of Gnosticism right now.

>>41596931
you got oy veyed shut it down by archons

>>41596008
Gnosticism is the true version of Christianity. Christianity is the failed version of gnosticism.

Proto orthodoxy is a bastardized gnosticism. Gnostic religion is more realistic, it uses the altered state of prayer properly (gnostic hesychasm) and has a system for analyzing spiritual experiences which is more comprehensive and sensible than the Christian variation. Its focus is also superior on the attainment of wisdom through contemplative prayer, rather than on materialistic accumulation or desire of pure pleasure.

Christianity has some very real problems it hasn't delt with in 2000 years. Gnostismicm solved those problems in the first century. Are those solutions correct? Idk

>>41596947
Gnosticism can admit the multiplicity of gods, the failures of Jesus the man and his attainment of wisdom. The gnostics are real, but the christians are not. The gnostics have an animist-pantheism that makes them superior to the christians. Emanationism is a gnostic truth, which is comprehensible only within gnosticism and removed from the heresy of Christianity.

Practice contemplative prayer and recite gnostic gospels, and you will attain experiences which are real.

>>41596946
the supernatural insights implied that i should follow christianity or at least it seemed so. but since i chose not to become a weird obedient sheep christian forces became angry and punished me with lame spirit

>>41596008
read Eric Voegelin's book on gnosticism, and he had an interesting way of saying what one of the core differences is about it, and then how that difference translates into practical life. Christianity is a "love of knowledge", but never a claim to actually *having knowledge*, rather it relies on faith. Faith thus is the core ideal. Gnosticism is isn't a "love of knowledge" ("philosophia") but rather a claim to actually having attained godlike knowledge ("gnosis"). This difference between acknowledging you don't have godlike knowledge (because only god has it) and the gnostic claim that godlike knowledge is attainable in this mortal life, is crucial. The Christians believe that evil in the world won't be fixed until God decides to. The Gnostic Christians are those that want to craete utopia on earth themselves . Gnostics, says Voegelin, are actually still around, they just rebranded themselves, Voegelin says communists, socialists, liberals are the rebranded gnostic christians.

>>41596065
Anon, there isn't a worse representation of Christ's true teachings than modern, organized christianity that takes place in a church by ordained faggotry.
With all due respect, just no.

>>41596233
>tells you to worship an ungodly asshole
>ignores the message of its own prophet.
>seves as a satellite faith for judaism.
>hostile to other faiths
>dogmatic
>authoritarian

How exactly is there anything in Christianity except the coerced impulse to worship the very dude the gnostics tell you is a charlatan? And who also just seems clearly to be a charlatan when you read the source material?

>>41596008
>Christ's true teachings

The main innovation of the christ cult was that its secrets and symbols were displayed openly because the masses would be too retarded to notice/understand anyway. This is a direct contrast to classical mystery religion which gatekept things behind rank in a hierarchy(like the masons/lodge systems in general) that conveniently coincided with mundane social class.

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both are jewish, therefore are stupid, fake and gay. christ never existed, so christ's *true* teachings is a misnomer. you mean Saul's true teachings? the guy who took the lead and weaponized the jewish messiah myth as a man come to conquer jews' enemies by saving gentiles from an imaginary crisis that jews created?

>>41596984

>The Gnostic Christians are those that want to craete utopia on earth themselves
Incorrect. Goal is to leave Earth. Or rather, shatter the illusion that Earth is even real.

>>41596984
Total bullshit.

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>>41596008
>Ends Christianity

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>>41596008 Gnosticism has the divine feminine; modern Christianity is utterly patriarchal. My choice is a no-brainer, even if I'm not a Gnostic.

>>41596008
Many gnostic groups considered themselves Christians. It was just a flavor of Christianity that lost out to the mainstream ones we're familiar with today. Christianity itself is just a deviated Jewish cult. You're all Jews with differing opinions about some beliefs.

>>41598142 Most gnostic texts are of Greek origin.
>everything jewish is le bad
My honest reaction:

>>41596984
Tired of this "liberals, communists and socialists are actually gnostics" nonsense. Almost all of those were Jewish projects. Marx was a jew. The Frankfurt school were Jews. One of the core beliefs in most gnostic sects is rejection of the Jewish god.

>>41596984
Ah, so that's the guy who first started just calling everyone he dislikes a gnostic

Makes me think of Thelema

>>41598182
Except I never said everything jewish is le bad. I simply called you all Jews. You're the one who oddly assumed that. Also, the hellenization of Jews is yet another cross-cultural tributary that contributed ideas to Gnosticism and Christianity. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing either. I'm just saying that all Christians today are basically hellenized Jews.

>>41598182
All christian text is of Greek orgin. If you're talking about hellnestic influence and platonism, then yes gnostic thought was heavenly influened by that. And Egyptian too. A lot of the texts probably originated in Alexandria. The gospel of John is also heavely hellnestic.

>>41598211
Yes. Without Plato you don't get to the mainstream Christian idea of god.

>>41598142
Only if by "Jews" you mean devotees of the Creator.

"Jews" in the ethnic sense are largely either hylics or members of the Synagogue of Satan.

>>41598247
There were also Jewish Gnostics. Even the mainstream Christian denominations today unwittingly echo Gnostic ideas when they assert in whatever way that the world or humanity is corrupted as the basis argument for soteriology in Jesus. You're all a bunch of ideologically inbred hellenized Jewish Gnostics.

>>41598269
>You're all a bunch of ideologically inbred hellenized Jewish Gnostics.
Yep. And they argue vociferously that the other is wrong. All lost in the desert for 40 years plus plus.

>>41598282
>And they argue vociferously that the other is wrong.
lol that's quite a jewish thing
t. an "ethnic" jew

>>41598269
>t. hylic

Churches near me don't even want money anymore BUT they are full of old people. They want young people to come be religious with them so their whole church doesn't die off which it probably will when everyone is an atheist edgelord fapping at home on Sunday. I guess what I'm saying is, you're all faggots the free wine and crackers are mine! suck it if you go to church you're a pedo stay away

>>41596008
You have to be an American scum. The right one is a just a medieval piece of paper that was laid out in churches. Why? It wouldn't be destroyed by vandals (idiots like you) or ignored. It describes the back then theory of the 5 fluids. The 5 fluids theory said that the body (for the medicus) mostly is out of these fluids. And all of them had to be in an equally even state to each other. So... Let's say you had some special kind of sickness it was said you had to much of the fluid "blood". You got your blood drawn then. Not all of course, silly! Anyways: the right one is a flyer of a medicus that is printed with one name of the patrons of the medicae. The left one is a painting of the tree of christ. A religious painting, that is more like a mind training paint, useful for theocratic education each time you are visiting the church. Like pupils have little papers with vocabularies to learn for a special language or other stuff.

Damn... You are extremely stupid.

>>41598293
That's a stale and meaningless insult. It's the neo-gnostic's version of calling people racist, sexist or incel. I pity you.

>>41598322
>That's a stale and meaningless insult.
No, it's an accurate description of your earthly mindset, which attends to worldly human social classifications rather than the holy truth of God. You're caught in the mire of maya and can't imagine any other way.

>>41598349
>holy truth of God
>maya
oh boy... a frankenlarper

>>41598349
And with your imagination you've ensnared yourself in your own illusions. Like I said before, I pity you.

>>41598314
I searched Christianity vs Gnosism and the image was the most suitable thing that came up, I didn't make it.

>>41598378
>frankenlarper
^ Perfect example of the hylic mindset. You can't see beyond human cultural artifacts and distinctions. You are blind to the Divine, and so falsely conclude there is no truth beyond your grubby and faithless mundanity.

>>41598414
lol ok retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnsyQh0FfoM

>>41596129
You should be more confident in your souls ability to find the information again.

>>41598390
All you've done in this thread is serve as a poster boy for hylic delusion. You think you can profane the divine to the point where it can be dissected as just another form of human social behavior. What you don't grasp is that the grand illusion is the physical world, the lie of a world independent of mind. The true independent reality is the eternal source of being, which is consciousness.

>>41596008
>Which is true?
On what metric?
>Which is better?
On what metric?
Which is more beneficial?
On what metric?
>Which represents Christ's true teachings?
What the New Testament says most probably. I've never seen a cogent argument that says the Gnostic literature was written earlier than or concurrently with the NT; it came after to around the second century. The Dutch Radicals (esp. Hermann Detering) make some interesting arguments that the NT should be dated to the second century as with the Gnostic texts - it however is a "fringe" position.

>>41599026
>was written earlier than
Time isn't real. Wisdom is eternal.

>>41598479
>What you don't grasp is that the grand illusion is the physical world, the lie of a world independent of mind
Then go jump off a building, because I'm not debating the delusions of an armchair poseur regurgitating other people's delusions.

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>>41596008
Both are creations and contrivances of mankind.
Neither are truth, but both hint at truth.
Both are basically misleading in many ways, but both may benefit you if only to calm your nerves and fears of the unknown by giving you something seemingly "definite" to cling to.
In reality, there is so much more than either proclaim.
The reality of our existence relative to our source is something of a circuit bending and blending us to it, and from it to us.
Your fears, desires and guilt are all illusions, as is your faith in things which you think, feel and believe. Free yourself from illusion, and understand reality is not what it seems.

>>41599075
>debating
Exactly. All you know are hylic 'debates' because you are blind to any higher reality. Your contempt for spiritual truth is obvious.

>>41599131
Lol my only contempt is for self-contented buffoons who think they have any special access to "higher reality" or "spiritual truth" above others. You are the hylic you seethe against. Keep on faking it till you make it, you charlatan. You don't fool me, you only fool yourself.

>>41599141
>who think they have any special access to "higher reality" or "spiritual truth" above others
No one is claiming special access. God is available to all. It's just that some, namely hylics like you, choose to pretend there is no God in order to lose yourselves in the illusion of the world. At some point even forgetting that it was a pretense. You are now willfully blind to your own self-imposed cognitive disability.

>>41599189
Then where is this illusion of a physical world that you assert is true but I can't see? Why do you keep throwing the word hylic at me as if you were special and I were chop liver? Of course you claim to have special access. You're an arrogant hylic who blatantly thinks God reveals Himself to your special kids club while everyone else are idiots. You keep regurgitating things other people wrote, things that you have never actually experienced yourself. What a sham.

>>41599212
>projecting this hard
wew

>>41599220
Wew back at you, troll.

>>41599212
You're as bad an ideological bully as any Catholic priest or church pastor I've ever met.

>>41599229
>t. hylic

>>41599233
No, that's you.

>>41599238
Oh, you don't like being called hylic? Well too bad, from now on I'm gonna call anyone I disagree with a hylic.

>>41596008
none of it is true, from today's perspective, because we don't have the same drugs or experience the same drug trips.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic

>>41599240
You are the hylic flagbearer. No one could outcompete you in blind hylicism.

>>41599265
>no u
No, you pretty much beat me at being a hylic. You're very cunning in your mimicry but I'm not fooled.

>>41599189
The division of people into hylics, psychics and pneumatics is just the new favorite caste system for modern losers who can't make it in this world. Cope and seethe.

>>41599311
Hylics will win. The rest of you don't belong here. This is our home. Keep your head in the clouds soulies; it makes it easier to cut you down.

>>41599318
Wrong. I'm neither a hylic nor a psychic nor a pneumatic pump. I'm a diabetic. I'm better than all of you.

>>41599311
They are stages of soul development. You are still in the first stage.

>>41599357
Wrong. God speaks to me and not you.

The bots have started to argue amongst themselves. Which anon had revealed a truth meant to be hidden within this thread?

>>41599381
It was me. I revealed how elitist gnosticism was. Christianity on the other hand offers salvation to all who believe.

>>41599391
It's the opposite. With gnosis, you can reach metanoia completely on your own. You don't need anyone's permission, or to agree to a some man-made extrabiblical "creed", you connect with God directly. Nothing can be less elitist.

>>41599417
Wrong. It's the opposite. The one requirement for salvation is simply belief in Jesus Christ our Lord. There's your direct connection right there. No need for overworked concepts like gnosis or metanoia. Jesus doesn't even need to give you permission to approach Him. And He would reach out to even the poor "hylic" that you deem so unworthy of being saved. All your emphasis on self self self... you are selfish.

>>41599450
>Christ is in the heart
>No Jesus is in the sky!
Anon where is Jesus?

>>41599468
Heart, sky, in the dressing room of a gay porn shoot right before you do your scene, etc. He can be anywhere.

>>41599490
>in the dressing room of a gay porn shoot right before you do your scene
LMAO

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>>41599490
Is he in my vaporizer

>>41599541
He's everywhere where you need Him to be, not where you **want** Him to be for the sake of shitposting like a smartass atheist debate-bro, let's say.

>>41599564
I need the true etymology of e-scat-ology

>>41599577
Immanentize a brain in your skull first, bro. It's full of shit.

>>41596065
>They never give you details about what they believe in
Sure they do. They can also back it up with evidence
Where do their morals come from?
Society and how we were raised. There is zero evidence for objective morality, thus you have to assume of the possibility of subjective morality. Meaning it is completely possible for humans to come up with their own moral systems.
>Which god do you worship
None. There is no evidence for any gods.
>Crying and being a victim
Christianity is the second worse religion behind islam. All of them are retarded though. You only believe what you believe due to how you were raised or experiences the happened to you while you were desperate and impressionable. You're all just tribal fools.

>>41599690
>You're all just tribal fools
Worse than that. They're a bunch of unoriginal plagiarists. The Jews rip offed various Mesopotamian and Greek shit, the Christians ripped off the Jews, and the Muslims ripped off both the Jews and Christians. It's been a never-ending jumping on the bandwagon and all of them keep shoving their dicks in the world's face. I don't give a fuck about Israel or Palestine, fuck them both.

>>41599716
No one ripped off anyone, relax.

>>41599754
Fuck you. Epic of Gilgamesh, the Enuma Elish, the Atra-Hasis epic. The old testament ripped them off.

>>41599764
Nope. They all share the same astral source. All prophets tap into signals from higher realms.

>>41599786
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were an indigo faggot who assended to 5 Dicks

>>41599786
Any reason you believe this other than you just want to? I also tap into signals from the higher realms and they say you're a faggot.

>>41599786
>>41599857
Faggots.

>>41596008
>Which is better? Which is more beneficial?
Gnosticism
>Which represents Christ's true teachings
We're never going to know for sure but probably Nicene Christianity.

>>41596008
>>Which is better? Which is more beneficial?
Islam
>>Which represents Christ's true teachings
Islam

>>41596984
The first part sounds correct but calling Socialists rebranded Gnostics doesn't make sense. Of course I am basing this off your post alone as I obviously haven't read his book, but I just can't imagine how you could argue that a completely materialist philosophy could be called rebranded Gnosticism.

>>41600939
yeah it sounds like the convoluted shit james lindsay talks about

>>41596233
No, not really, both were started by Jesus Christ, the former was founded by his disciples and followers of his disciples long after, the latter retain much more of the original teachings.

>>41596020
>It is objectively better for the masses to believe in Christianity
If you view religion as a tool for control of the masses, I guess you are right, because that is something Gnosticism is not.

>>41596461
>The entire goal of gnosticism is not to provide spiritually hidden knowledge but to mislead Christians.
uhh...no

>>41596519
>Gnosticism is Luciferian because
uhh....no
>Christianity teaches that
ok but you put your first badly cooked postulate against your second, was your intention to imply Christianity leads to darkness? You can't even spell GOD properly.

>>41601187
Nonsense. Gnosticism arose within Judaism and later incorporated Jesus into their mythos along with foreign ideas like Greek Platonism.

>>41596569
Finally some based sanity and coherence in this thread.

Ethos>Logos>Pathos

>>41596065
protestant Catholic Coptic or orthodox Christianity?

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>>41596008
there both abrahamic mideast platonic mish mash trash. Hail Odin! https://youtu.be/I4xdKOV9_Hk

>>41601367
Yeah they're both highly dualistic and hierarchical traditions.
I mostly believe in panpsychism nowadays.

>>41596008
they are both the same, one is merely exoteric the other esoteric understanding of the same thing.

>>41601446
that said, marcion is definitely q source. and jesus himself said it all in mark 4:33-34

Gnosticism is just intuitive spirituality, the kingdom of God is within, it’s written on your heart. That’s literally what gnosis is. It’s direct experience. The idea of the demiurge and all that is just bastardized myth. Gnosticism at its core means you don’t need an institution or a tyrant to tell you how to connect to the kingdom within. Living in the way of Christ requires or assumes—gnosis. You listen to your heart to understand god (which you are not completely separate from). So it’s a form of self discovery, internally and externally. Harmony. That’s gnosis. You can think of it like knowledge, but it’s metaphysical knowledge, a priori, not intellectual and ego driven.

How this goes over y’all’s heads is genuinely baffling. Can’t tell if y'all are actually retarded or just disingenuous.

>>41601461
Wow. Not ego driven at all the way you say it.

>>41601461
Ok, y'alldabaoth.

>>41601466
Stop projecting and try to understand. Just because I call you retarded doesn’t mean you’re any lesser. I’m saying you’re acting like a brat who insists 2+2=xylophone. These are simple metaphysical truths but you’re caught up in YOUR ego. I wish you the best. Have some humility.

>>41601472
? Woosh. Haha i feel sorry you.

>>41601446
Essentially, yes

>>41596008
I don't know why you guys talk about Gnosticism so much. There's so few gnostics in the world that they're not even included in religious surveys. There's probably more people that talk about Gnosticism on /x/ than there are actual gnostics in the US. I can't help but think it's all astroturfed here by one actual gnostic to try and revive the totally dead religion that nobody gives a shit about. I'm so sick of heading about the stupid demiurge. Noone gives a shit about the demiurge.

>>41601461
This is the correct answer, people misunderstand the definitions and have labels that incorrectly correspond to other concepts. People literally don’t know what Gnosticism actually is. They have flawed understandings of it, so explaining it to them is, unfortunately, in vain.

>>41596065
another tripcuck into the filter

>>41601523
Gnosticism is a framework that many major video games and movies use as a base for the basic concept of god = evil, world must be fixed/saved. It's not a "faith", it's a worldview.

>>41601690
Mandaeans are modern day gnostics. You are a vidya retard. There's no comparison.

>>41601690
Why do the creators of those media never mention anything about Gnosticism then? I think you're just looking for gnosticism where there is none based on some vague similarities that nobody else would notice

>>41601983
What is gnosticism in function? Code language for jailbreak. All stories are a "jailbreak" of some kind. But to be fair you have to have a very high IQ to understand gnosticism.

>>41596065
Because we should believe a horny teen who has sex with demons but pretends to be holy

>>41601690
>the basic concept of god = evil
That's the opposite of gnosis, genius. Get a clue.

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>>41602288
Well of course it all depends on what we mean by "god". Is god "source", the experiences of said source, or the machinations that come from the nature of reality as known?

>>41602009
Is just a lower god (demiurge) that creates the universe, who reports to an upper God who is the supreme being. It's just the same as any Abrahamic faith but split into two gods. It's not anything special.

>>41596008
Christianity. Especially eastern orthodox.
Gnosticism was created by and practiced by whiny retards who can't properly understand the scriptures and their meanings, and want to blame God for all their problems. Most modern Christians are no better though, they just choose different scapegoats

>>41602309
God is not a creature.

>>41602383
You know nothing.

>>41596008
Gnosticism IS Christian.
Christians are just extremely sectarian, like all Abrhamics really, so they always go "it's not le true christian!". They do it to this day, they never get tired of that retardation. They must always be the most mostest correctest of all and everyone else is the devil's deception on earth. They are very paranoid people.

>>41604945
I will say this, however, if we MUST take the bible as wholy true, I think some bizarre mixture of protestant derranged zealotry and gnostic paranoia and obsession with control would make the most sense

>>41596008
Gnosis is the truth while judaism and its sects are just a few of many false paths.

>>41596984
The garden of eden is on earth? The knowledge of good and evil is not a godlike power?
What flawed designs

>>41599450
>Implying jesus is canonically a gate keeper barring all from God

>>41604945
That's not a denial that you're a demon.

>>41596008
>Which is true?
both have fragments but not a whole true

>Which is better?
Gnosticism = Early Christianity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Modern Christianity

>Which is more beneficial?
I dunno

>Which represents Christ's true teachings
Orthodox

>>41605077
I am not
>>41605777
Checked

>>41605035
Jesus is God.

>>41605077
Stop projecting.

>>41604945
>Christians are just extremely sectaria
"Christians" and it's just anglo-saxos that couldn't shake their pagan roots. The true church has been rock solid for 2000 years, retard