Welcome to the flat earth general thread!>WARNING: By posting in these threads, you recognize Israel controls the NATO Council and you irrevocably denounce the Talmud out of your own volition>sources for the flat earth:https://wiki.tfes.org/Experimental_Evidencehttps://ericdubay.wordpress.com/2018/07/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-a-spinning-ball-english/https://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/?m=1
>>41602469Lets start with a map of flat earth.I denounce the talmud and the torah.
>more sourceshttps://wiki.tfes.org/Universal_Accelerationhttps://wiki.tfes.org/Flat_Earth_Literature
>>41602469>Denounce the talmud, but not the torah Jew thread detected.Denounce both, like this:I denounce the talmud and the torah.Also, post map of flat earth.
>>41602472>map of the world beyond the ice walls:https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/maf7dz/the_world_beyond_the_ice_wall/https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xud6uk/a_flat_earther_said_that_theres_more_continents/
>>41602479i copied it from my /HG/ thread, and i forgot to change it.i denounce the talmud and the torah
>>41602472>>41602479>high quality map:https://www.deviantart.com/ohawhewhe/art/BTIW-1-0-OUTDATED-SEE-NEW-VERSION-829193291
>>41602469bump
>>41602469I like flat earth and the talmud though as well as Jesus. The talmud is great and Christ is king.
>>41602496>DenouncedOk, thread is allowed to exist, as long as its focused on the only thing that matters - the map of flat earth.
>>41602500>Deviantart >Drawing from an anime
>>41602489>>41602534This isnt even a map.A map has this thing called a "legend", this Microsoft Paint drawing doesnt have it.
>>41602472All maps used for navigation are flat maps. Show us one spherical Radar or spherical cartography charts that exist. Miles and kilometers are linear distances. North South East and west are linear directions, look at a compass.
>believing in flat earth
>>41603802there's very little evidence that flat earthers are not fake and gay
>>41602469Here is Musk's AI "Grok": https://grokipedia.com/page/Flat_Earth_belief
>>41602469
>>41602469>Flat earth general >Earth is in the middle of space>Sun is in the centerGlowie psyop do not enter this retarded poisoning the well glownigger thread.
>>41602469Go straight to the source material that Dubay and co use. https://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za04.htm
>>41606182>Glowie psyop do not enter this retarded poisoning the well glownigger thread.yes trust the science ehehehe
>>41606291What I've noticed about glowniggers is they are never necessarily incels.But always in relationships.There's a catch though.It's with a nagging cunt wife that cheats on them or is overweight. Sometimes or usually both.
Flat earth is real
What's the biggest evidence towards flat earth? Not a believer but I want to believe. Everything is already fake and gay
>>41606978Flat earth isnt a belief. Its how earth is described, observed, measured, and utilized.Even tinfoil hat boomers who talk about JFK and 911 accuse flat earth of fedglowing. If youre the one talk about those kinds of conspiracies, youre the one that needs to be talking about flat earth the most.
>>41602469I've been really, really deep into conspiracies for more than 2 decades now but flat earh has always been the one conspiracy I saw as a psyop.Yesterday my wife and I dove into the firmament since we're devoted christians and our minds are absolutely blown away.Space is fake and earth seems to be flat wtf
>>41607379>I've been really, really deep into conspiracies for more than 2 decades now but flat earh has always been the one conspiracy I saw as a psyop.>Yesterday my wife and I dove into the firmament since we're devoted christians and our minds are absolutely blown away.>Space is fake and earth seems to be flat wtf
>>41607441Also,rewatched the Matrix trilogy this week.
>>41603699>Show me a map or a chart that uses a globe Literally every single one that exists, pick one.Are you retarded or something?
>>41607096Nope.You niggers dont even have a map.
https://youtu.be/GwkqLv-fOjg?t=2209https://youtu.be/m7ZpvLu_tFEhttps://youtu.be/0514L2QwOBEhttps://youtu.be/lKg-yn86zp4https://youtu.be/p-BFmn2S_jUhttps://youtu.be/BVJgObFHLY4https://youtu.be/ru5fdfovkGIhttps://youtu.be/74KRZt5oJMEhttps://youtu.be/tdwy-hxS-tshttps://youtu.be/UAx5cl9VpTEhttps://youtu.be/JlFnJPFjcc0https://youtu.be/XetG30_YOeohttps://youtu.be/ziVLbEoQ4Schttps://youtu.be/7H_1ZbuA9HIhttps://youtu.be/UbYtkrTquXEhttps://youtu.be/1WHIr-IFqAohttps://youtu.be/WcqKUhU0WDchttps://youtu.be/wPrDg0CtWnkhttps://youtu.be/hoGTBdu7dMchttps://youtu.be/mcLwr86emdshttps://youtu.be/U_bJYXS9p4Ahttps://youtu.be/JOqc63Pp9OAhttps://youtu.be/X-w8acuxF6whttps://youtu.be/nGLJ5XJP3uEhttps://youtu.be/olbyJDou4qQhttps://youtu.be/0Q18iSz6mushttps://youtu.be/aFFM3YJAs4Qhttps://youtu.be/Stft_t48Hxchttps://youtu.be/QWa7lTxhrKIhttps://youtu.be/Zc_J2k4Cdp8https://youtu.be/DdLLamniSyghttps://youtu.be/udjk_FB80kMhttps://youtu.be/4nKIN_eHYxwhttps://youtu.be/fDBRhxryfZMhttps://youtu.be/-rmDj1MJyaYhttps://youtu.be/Kv9-JuLRpg0https://youtu.be/7Eeo-82Eac8https://youtu.be/0Vv62PFFsNUhttps://youtu.be/CDG4oiCx_ishttps://youtu.be/wz68Q2Nz05Ahttps://youtu.be/WffliCP2dU0https://youtu.be/uUuTAflN1rUhttps://youtu.be/lkmY_4PKMlYhttps://youtu.be/McdMMmclGVchttps://youtu.be/Cm7fBZq-8T4https://youtu.be/4SlRsbQ3nfMhttps://youtu.be/Z36Ns7KUYHwhttps://youtu.be/XhIwZuPGfsshttps://youtu.be/CATklVkPEMwhttps://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxAhttps://youtu.be/WXaXnAvEpB8https://youtu.be/gWnFMWqDRQEhttps://youtu.be/EvnrD49RmAYhttps://youtu.be/3wU8_jT61eEhttps://youtu.be/lMhheDWThxEhttps://youtu.be/hG_sv5SWi3Y?t=507https://youtu.be/UOLLMkAHHQI?t=2477https://youtu.be/d_h5tupEdn8https://youtu.be/jDKfJROVHJEhttps://youtu.be/maBf0H3UNJIhttps://youtu.be/Jm7nBn7RxhUhttps://youtu.be/BEV2SAL8z5ghttps://youtu.be/Qse5Jc8jgSkhttps://youtu.be/zMAa5Ir7IHU
>>41607559I can debunk every single one of these YouTube videos.Pick one.
>>41607573Got more? Also, do you have any old books or maps? I used to have a list of books from centuries and millenia ago but lost it all.
>>41607578No i dont have even 1 retarded YouTube flattie video.
>>41607583OOOh sorry, didnt realize you were a globetard. Good luck fulfilling your life.
>>41607687Dont run away!Pick a flattie video and lets discuss it!
>>416076931: Sun and moon visibly in front of clouds. Clouds are appearing behind the moon and the sun. No, its not an illusion. Very clearly there are big clouds hiding and appearing behind the sun and moon.2: That small family who built their own rocket and shot it into the sky with cameras on the rocket directly filming the event. At 73 miles the rocket suddenly got stuck and the sidecamera showed 1 distant light (theorized to be the moon) seemingly at the same hight.
>>41607693>Dont run away!>Pick a flattie video and lets discuss it!Well NASA said....
>>41607708No to both, did it come to you in a dream?>>41607721>Muh NASA People knew the world isnt a dinner plate way before 1958, kid.
>>41607766And thats where you show to be absolutely moronic. All of this info is on youtube.Im done talking to you.
>>41602469Well judging by the pic the Nazis didn't actually go to Antarctica and fuck elder God bung hole. They ain't as cool as I've been lead to believe. What else about the Nazis is a lie? I bet Hitler was a fag after all. I bet he loved sucking the jew dick too. And back to the pic how the hell do we even still have water if it's running off the sides? I don't even see the sun or moon in that pic. Are they fake and gay? Oh wait there's what appears to be a fireball. Is that the sun? Whoa hang on is the sun flat too? Oh God my world is crumbling! Ooohh fuccckk I mean it's FLAATTENING! aaaahhhhh my penis! IITTSS GEETTINGG HHUUUGEE! GLORY BE!kek. Not to mention that the moon is visible in the day too. Oops forgot about that didn't you flerfer.
>>41607818>There is stupid motherfucking shit on YouTube And? So what?>Still no map of flat earth
>>41607838it could be like argentina, germans went there way before nazism came about. but still the jews used the boogeyman of le hitler to genocide the argentinan germans, and replace them with jews.also the german colonies in africa, the jews stole them even before nazis time.would antarctica be any different?
>>41607096>Its how earth is described, observed, measured, and utilized.100% incorrect
>>41607379flast earthers are not Christians anon.maybe take a look at what real Creationists believehttps://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/does-bible-teach-earth-flat/thats author has lots of great articles looking at flat earth claims and stuff. highly recommended
>>41607708>No, its not an illusion.yes, it is. its just a matter of exposure levels.>At 73 miles the rocket suddenly got stuck no it didn't
>>41602472Also, after you're done with the map, you can continue by giving exact values for>the height of the sun>the height of the moon>the height of the dome above the north pole or its peak assuming it's somewhere else>the radius of the dome assuming it's spherical or some other way to describe its shape if notThose should get us started.
>>41602475>Universal AccelerationWhy are parts of the disc (the poles) accelerating upwards faster than other parts (the equator)?
>>41607096>Even tinfoil hat boomers who talk about JFK and 911 accuse flat earth of fedglowingMaybe because you fuckers glow. The flerf exists purely to give normies something retarded to associate with legit conspiracy theories so they don't start thinking too much. You are either federal agents or retards who fell for it. For your sakes, I hope you're at least getting paid.
>>41607379>Yesterday my wife and I dove into the firmament since we're devoted christians and our minds are absolutely blown away.Blown away by what? Flerfoids can't even tell you what its height and radius are.
>>41602469I denounce the Torah which says the earth is flat not just the Talmud. Hail Hypoborea,hail Agartha. The earth is Hollow!
>>41607379>totally organic post
>>41602469Earth not a spher sinc water always leval graveyity is fake and gay
>>41607822>>41607857this just proves the earth is round. In the flerfs model the sun is always shown way above the disk so it would never drop bellow the horizon . The flerf model cant even explain how sunsets work.
>>41607379>dove into the firmamenthow? Flerfs cant even agree if it is over just the earthor the moon is inside (so it would be travelling through air and yet not being affected by drag)Or is the sun also inside the firmament?Or the distant stars that we can tell are distant objects because of how light works.Of course the answer is alway [whatever sounds good as a retort to current counterpoint]also whats up flattys? getting fed up with being BTFO in your last thread?>>>/wsg/6043620
flat earth grifter here.I spend all day around the dumbest minions you can imagine and they throw money at me.I just use sites like this one to get angry responses to my bait so i can build better lines to feed my followers.You are all helping me build a more robust cult, so dont be confused why I ignore the salient points you raise.Its all about the money and while its flowing into my pockets then the earth is flat. Get over it.
>>41609319i believe this
Flat earth is the absolute bottom of the barrel. It's the dumbest conspiracy theory imaginable. I don't think you comprehend the scale this would need to have. For this to work almost everyone has to be in on it or has to be fed with a 24/7 feed of completely made up, but internally consistent stream of data so they don't figure out the truth.Not to mention flat earth is so easy to disprove, ancient civilizations figured it out with the most basic of equipment
Is the moon flat?
>>41608748>The earth is Hollow!Would be pretty sick, since mass on the inside would be completely weightless, aside from the little bit of centrifugal force from rotation.
>>41602472>>41602531>>41602548>>41607552>>41608774People who believe in the flat earth seem to be oblivious to how big a problem it is that they can't come up with a working flat earth model or even just a map.A lot of the big names in the community put a lot of effort into downplaying the importance or usefulness of scientific models
>>41602472>and the torahfound the mason
>>41610134
>>41602469The moon is a semi ethereal reflection on the earth in the torrid field's in the aether they are a true map of earth of show secret continent's
>>41611178>>41611249rare crater earthers.....at least that's imaginative unlike base level flat earth
>>41611293I don't believe in flat earth from religious dogma we are the center of everything though we have altered the state of our world using CERN and D waves so we can essentially run a model of mirror earth for future predictions made by the digital age but now we can change the world by inserting ideas into the meta and the become real through manifestation our earth is some obscure flat terrain maybe endless through human observation our mind warps reality and they warp our minds pretty much this is why no nother planet is flat they aren't observed or alive in the same manner
>>41607552Google maps is flat retard, used for navigation more than Google earth. Theres your map dumbass. Its a flat map. Earth is also measured flat. https://youtu.be/TF62I5L7wKs?si=L3aVmp66DsLb2_yahttps://youtu.be/58kR5-bgL4o?si=fk9vJxfAOx6votfX>>41610163No silly there are no science models for neither flat earth nor globe earth you seem to not know what a model is. In order to have a science model its needs to be the framework of experiment or it isnt a science model. Neither globe nor plane has those. A model is defined as a presentation on its own, sure there ARE IN FACT models for both flat and globe earth
>>41611395>Google maps is flatstopped reading here, do you expect them to project it in 3d out of your screen?
..bro the eaerth is flat now i see (not really but i assume this is truth and proceed)
>>41602472>Lets start with a map of flat earth.
>>41611817>no scale try again
>>41611833
it really do b like dat tho
>>41611872coming from australia and doing a fair amount of travel i can tell you the scale is bullshit. thats why i asked, not a single flat earther has driven australia with a compass and an odometer
>>41612487>coming from australia and doing a fair amount of travel i can tell you the scale is bullshit. thats why i asked, not a single flat earther has driven australia with a compass and an odometerprobably, which is why the scientists stopped saying the earth is a sphere and said it bulged out at the bottom, the ratio of the outer ring isn't correct which is why the flight paths of commercial airliners have odd trajectories
Koj
>>41612548yeah it's a purposeful sleight of hand so you don't notice.
>>41612555>he thinks the mercator projection is somehow slight of hand>he expects a 2d screen to project a 3d image>he somehow doesnt realise that boarders changing when the position changes debunks a flat earth
>>41612561I can tell you never investigated all of this yourself. You were raised on the globe model, so you'll defend the globe model like a religion
>>41612572you are defending a flat earth like a religion what would it take for you to change your mind? for me if you could post a model that includes night/day, seasons, eclipses and hurricane rotation at the same time then ill take you seriously
>>41612579>what would it take for you to change your mind? for me if you could post a model that includes night/day, seasons, eclipses and hurricane rotation at the same time then ill take you seriouslyIf you do as much work as the elites to tell me the earth is a globe, but tell me its flat, then I'll believe you.You don't have to believe me, go and investigate
>>41612605i dont understand your first line, but for the second what should i investigate? you cant even post a model. surely you know that you can spend 10 seconds on youtube and have these all explained on the ball earth right?also btw if nothing can change your mind then it is by definition dogma to the same degree as religion
>>41612620I used to believe in the globe model. Then I went to investigate and found out it's bullshit. Not the "millions of continents beyond the icewall" guys, they are there to muddy the waters.
>>41612644what convinced you? nothing you say has been very convincing
>>41612658>what convinced you? nothing you say has been very convincingconsider how much stuff they told you about globe earth and space, now you have to go and investigate each instance of everything they told you in school, how gravity works, why all the nations of the world agreed to do nothing with antarctica, what are the mechanics of satelites to keep them aloft. What do radiologists say they were taught about the Sun. Everything.
>>41612673what? i actually passed school and did a degree in stem so i can actually tell you how these things work (other than gravity, no one knows beyond "mass curves spacetime")all the nations agreed to do nothing in antartica because it has no strategic value. its in the southern hemisphere away from all the big players and has no resources, its worth more kept pristine and studied satellites are kept aloft (not the right word btw) because they are moving so fast. when the earths gravity makes them fall down they "fall" and miss the earth and keep going around. eventually though they do lose the balancing game and either crash on earth or fly out towards space. bigger satellites also need an external boost to keep them in the proper orbit, the iss gets boosted every so often and the decommission plan is to just stop boosting and let it fall and i dont think radiologists were taught anything specific about the sun though, are you sure youre thinking of the right profession?
>>41612723If you have no intellectual curiousity to go investigate things yourself and merely repeat the official lines theres nothing I can do.
>>41612738that has nothing to do with it. i just know how to run the same numbers they did and come up with the same results, its not rocket scienceyou still havent posted what could change your mind btw
>>41612754so you are not interested in the truth, you are interesting in winning
>>41612760no i want to you try change my mind, and im sure that you also want thisyou just dont know how to do it because no flat earther has anything more than a hunch hes being lied to
>>41612771i didn't change my mind until i did the work to find out the truth through personal experience. So nothing I can say will do anything
>>41612780which experience? and im thinking the same way you are, nothing can change your mind
>>41612782Your personal experience was in the institutions owned by corporations and billionaires
>>41612868you arent even answering my questions, thats why nothing you say will do anythingand do you really think that corporations and billionaires somehow manipulated math to conform perfectly to their round earth hoax? i cant even imagine how you could do that
>>41611395>In order to have a science model its needs to be the framework of experiment or it isnt a science modelCould you try explaining this in non broken English?A model is a representation of a real system that has explanatory and predictive power. The globe earth model can explain and predict the phenomena we observe. Meanwhile I don't know of any flat earth models that can do the same.Keep in mind it has to be a single model that can explain everything the globe earth model can.For instance when the Rutherford atomic model replaced the Thomson model, it was because the former could make all the predictions the former could make, plus some extra.
>>41612572>so you'll defend the globe model like a religionwhat I'd give for you to see the irony for just a second. True, most normalfags probably just believe the earth is a sphere without knowing all the ins and outs. Mostly out of convenience, everyone just takes some things in life for granted.But trust me when I say that the people in this thread have actually done their homework and know that the earth is a sphere not because of hollywood elite indoctrination or whatever you say, but because it's actually very easy to verify for yourself if you have an open mind. An actual open mind, not the one where you get duped by some grifter on YouTube
>>41612673You are aware that when you learn physics it's not like a sermon and you're forced to believe it? You actually do the experiments to derive all those laws for yourself, right?In my first semester we did our own experiment to measure the force of gravity and derive the gravitational constant. Same for orbital mechanics, it's all built on the very basic concepts you learn in 8th or 9th grade.You can call it bullshit all you want, but you can't say it isn't internally consistent, unlike the countless flat earth attempts and explaining daily obersvations
>>41612738>nothing you say has been very convincingthisim not going to unpick everything that adds up to a heleocentric model without a VERY good argument to the contrary.
>>41612236>What's spooky is the moo being "tidally locked" in orbit but NEVER crashing Why should it crash?>Should the OPPOSITE happen? Moons should always be pulled TOWARD a planet?No. Its orbit velocity is just too fast to maintain orbit. If it was slower, it would fall down.
>>41612203This model doesn't explain how you can fly from china to the us without passing over asia, europe and the atlantic.
>>41612572well here is an example of investigation.flat earther tells me the moon is a big mirror showing a reflection of the earth. My investigation using a basic telescope = no it isnt.flat earther tells me the sun and moon rotate above us all the time. My investigation using my eyes = no they dont as that would look completely different and cant account for a huge list of things that we do actually see.flat earther tells me that i disagree because i have been brainwashed, while they endlessly trot out complete lies and dont listen to reasonable observations.Hmm, curious.
>>41611817>>41611872REMEMBER KIDS!>A MAP IS ON A CIRCLE GRIDYOU JUST POSTED A MAP OF THE GLOBE!
>>41612738>If you have no intellectual curiousity to go investigate thingsFlat earthers are the least intellectually curious people I have ever met and I am shocked by what passes as "investigation" for them. They start out with their preconception that the earth is flat because they want it to be and then collect anything that seems to support their view. When shown that their supposed evidence is actually based on a misconception, is consistent with a globe etc they dismiss that without a second thought.And the kicker is that most of them don't even do any of the "investigating" themselves, they just see some guy online do it for them and think that's good enough
>>41613114Just keep pissing them off by repeating they dont even have a map.They shit themselves and run away.Its just great.
>>41613109If you haven't mapped the whole earth your self then you can't prove the moon is not a mirror of earth just looking at it
>>41613124Nope.Just the fact that the globe maps work is evidence enough, i dont have to actually do anything else.>Does the globe map work?>It sure does Globe proven.Its the flatties that call *ME*, so its THEIR JOB to prove the maps dont work.And here's the kicker.The flat retards know the globe maps work, so they change the subject or just run away.
>>41613124Im more interested in why would anybody even come with the retarded dumbass idea that the moon is a mirror in the first place.
Im tired of hooknosed and fatnosed mature women doing their shotakiller witchcraft on me when they come near me.They should all have died from corona in 2020.When will they all mass drop dead?They should have died already desuCorona hosanna!
>>41613156Covid wasnt real, bro.Literally made up.
>>41602469I agree i denounce the talmud but not the torah, also i love flat earth cause normies cant give reasonable evidence against it and they astro physicists who can give the evidence probably wont cause theyre tired.Considering how retarded normies obeyed in corona times(we should have just spread corona instead of doing measures against it) we might aswell say the earth is flat
Flat earther: O Hai, the world you understand is actually completely different in a fundamental way.Me: really? could you explain?Flat earther: No, you have to work it all out for yourself. Also there are a few of us and we all have different ideas about things.Me: Is there anything in this for me?Flat earther: No, but you will get laughed at by the rest of humanity for entertaining the ideas.Me: FUKKIN SOLD! WHERE DO I BUY THE T-SHIRTS?
>>41613157Corona is 100% real and natural and a gift from allah
>>41613165the catch is that if you truely believe it you can larp online about being smarter than everyone else for knowing the truth
>>41613166Nah, it was made up.
>>41613165I think its just poor people crying for attention, like niggers in a restaurant.
>>41613124me: have you mapped the whole earth yourself?flat earther: No and i dont have to either, its up to you to do all the work.
>>41613124I looked at the moon with a telescope and I could see the massive grey crater that i live in!
>>41613199And that crater is my arsehole!
>>41613206then i will drive over to one of your rectal polyps and inject it with liquid cat shit.
>>41613274Im hard already!Dont forget to take the map of flat earth with you!
>>41613280friendly fire detected.the idea that i can see my reflection in the moon 'mirror' is a dig at flat earth beliefs.i would never bully your asshole if i lived in it.have a nice day.
>>41613280>>41613291Based.Flatties take another L.
>>41612897Broken English? What about science model and experiment do you not understand? Its very simple not complicated. Science model requires experimentation.No prediction models do not explain you clearly dont know what explanation means. Prediction models forecast outcomes they dont explain. models are presentations of representations of reality, like you said. So NOT REALITY.Using your model to affirm the globe is an affirming the consequence fallacy, like all arguments for the globe. If they arent, then some violation of natural laws natural phenomena, use of category errors, and other messes
>>41607708Do you have answers for this?>>41608464
>>41614436>Science model requires experimentationCorrect, and do you know what the point of those experiments is? You compare them with the prediction your model made to access its validity. This is as basic as you can get.>No prediction models do not explain you clearly dont know what explanation means. Prediction models forecast outcomes they dont explain.What exactly do you mean by "explain" then? The predictions a model can make has explanatory power and vice versa.>Using your model to affirm the globe is an affirming the consequence fallacyWell tough shit, because this is how we determine literally anything about reality. We make an educated guess, we conduct experiments to test if it's correct, we refine the guess.That's pretty much how the ancients figured out the earth is spherical. Your first guess would be that it's flat, but the more observations you compile, the more it becomes clear that it can't be and is instead a very big sphere that can be locally be approximated as a flat plane.
>>41613124You can observe the moon for the entire lunar cycle and see that it's a sphere. In that case the earth must be a sphere as well if the moon is somehow mirroring it.
>still no map of flat earth
>>41607708>At 73 miles the rocket suddenly got stuckFor anyone wondering why the rocket suddenly stopped spinning and thinks it hit a "dome" or "firmament".Here's an interview with the man behind the rocket where he explains what's happening:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk_LuyquSFc
>>41615021>Correct, and do you know what the point of those experiments is? WHAT THE FUCK YOU MEAN YOU DONT HAVE ANY EXPERIMENTS! No science model or experiment for your globe, can you please tell us which exactly experiment it is youre referring to?!>The predictions a model can make has explanatory power and vice versa.No it doesnt have "explanatory power" just got done telling you its not an explanation its a prediction. A prediction is a description because its based on what will happen.>Well tough shit, because this is how we determine literally anything about reality.My guy, who is we? Certainty "we" is referring to those using the affirming the consequence formal logical fallacy. Dont know why you want to determine your reality using that.>That's pretty much how the ancients figured out the earth is sphericalYou mean when eratosthenes used measuring devices with flat baseline shadow elevation angles to the sun? He demonstrated earth to be measured flat. Earth is such a big ball that its measured flat in every instance ever without exception, isnt that crazy
>>41615435>You mean when eratosthenes used measuring devices with flat baseline shadow elevation angles to the sun? He demonstrated earth to be measured flat.It's funny when flat earthers bring up Eratosthenes and say that the angles could also work on a flat earth.So you're telling me that when I look at a sunset/sunrise the person that has the sun at his/her zenith at that time has the sun hovering just a couple of feet above their head? Face it, your model isn't compatible with the real world and can't predict shit.
>>41606978Your own senses. It's ball earth that lacks evidence.
>>41615483>It's funny when flat earthers bring up Eratosthenes and say that the angles could also work on a flat earth.No mate not "could work" thats how an angle is literally defined. 2 straight lines that meet at a vertex. Cannot work whatsoever on a globe youre redefining an axiom by doing that.>So you're telling me that when I look at a sunset/sunrise the person that has the sun at his/her zenith at that time has the sun hovering just a couple of feet above their head?This is just showing you dont understand how perspective works. Why to all lampposts converge to one line if they're on an observably flat street? Why do the street and buildings outside all converge to that line?>Face it, your model isn't compatible with the real world and can't predict shit.I never once introduced a model for flat earth because I understand what models are. For you models are just your little kids playtoys. For me its just knowing earth is observed, utilized, and measured flat. Welcome to flat earth
>>41615488>lacks evidenceat this point im going to assume you are blind and type voice to text.
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>>41613095So you're saying a country could nuke the moon on one side, to effectively decrease its orbit velocity, thus causing it to crash into Earth, for mutually assured destruction.That's a pretty sick plot, actually.>inb4 majora's mask
>>41613101Good point
>>41613117Can you tell NASA to update their space photos to make earth an oblate spheroid instead of a perfect circle? thanks.
>>41615860You're not talking to NASA, you're talking to 4Chan. You guys are all about "questioning", can you give a single question that stumps a Mongolian basket-weaving and conspiracy forum? For that matter, do you have a map or model of your own?
>>41615435>WHAT THE FUCK YOU MEAN YOU DONT HAVE ANY EXPERIMENTS!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V03eF0bcYno&t=121s here is one for starters.Or an easy one you can do at home is check the sun's angular size over the course of the day. On a globe earth it should stay the same throughout the day, because the distance between the sun and earth doesn't change>No it doesnt have "explanatory power" just got done telling you its not an explanation its a predictionThen please specify what you mean by "explanation", what exactly do you want a model to explain?>My guy, who is we?human civilization.You can play dumb all you want, but that's how the scientific method works. And you can tell it works, because engineers then us the results to build shit that works.>You mean when eratosthenes used measuring devices with flat baseline shadow elevation angles to the sun?Hey anon, that's actually a good point. Do you want to calculate how big the error is that that would introduce? Do you want us to do it together?Anyways, too bad that the results of that experiment disprove a flat earth, if you like it or not.>Earth is such a big ball that its measured flat in every instance ever without exception, isnt that crazywebm related
>still no map of flat earth.
>>41615860Its shape is exactly as its supposed to be.
>>41615860>thinks he can see a few miles bulge near the equator at this scaleflat earthers truly cant into scale
>>41615940>Or an easy one you can do at home is check the sun's angular size over the course of the day.even better - measure the rate of motion of sun and moon across the sky. if they were getting closer to the observer and then farther away again in the afternoon the would appear to move at different rates.never seen a flat earther look into that before
>>41615940Soon as I clicked your video first thing I heard was a strawman/guilt by association fallacy. So I immediately disliked and left.angular size of a celestial object will tell you nothing about its size or anything about the ground below your feet. We get refraction of celestial bodies noticeable at a 15 degree sextant angle or less. No one cant make any claims about celestial bodies other than they move in the sky and emit light. We dont know anything further about celestial bodies.As far as your gif goes why the hell are you being intentional deceptive dumbass? What unit is the '6371.00' referring to in the radius size? Miles? Kilometers? Because if miles then that translates to 2x the claimed radius of earth. 35,000 ft translates to about 6-7 miles high. Black swan killed the globe with that horizon being spotted over 10 miles away. Via EARTH CURVE CALCULATOR.>Then please specify what you mean by "explanation", what exactly do you want a model to explain?Models do not explain for the 2nd time. Unless they are scientific models. Which you do not have because you dont have experiment with your globe model. Both globe and flat earth models work just fine. I am not here to present a model aka kids toy for you, Im here to tell you its measured flat. Thats a measurement not a model.Your in a category error bro. You claimed you measured an angular size and called it an experiment, not only that but failed with your measurement because the black swan killed your globe radius.
>>41613196I never claimed to know the whole truth that's the difference you dk
>>41616949>Soon as I clicked your video first thing I heard was a strawman/guilt by association fallacy. So I immediately disliked and left.Behold, the so called truth seeker, as soon as they are presented with anything that might challenge their world view. Very truth seeking of you.Also flat earthers complaining about starwmen is priceless every time. Because none of them can even agree on remotely anything about the flat earth, so when you don't magically know the exact combination of claims that they happen to believe in they get upset about it.>What unit is the '6371.00' referring to in the radius size? Miles? Kilometers?I agree that whoever made that webm could have specified that. But it takes literally 5 seconds of using a search engine and your brain to figure this one out for yourself, you titan of critical thinking.>We dont know anything further about celestial bodiesyou* don't>you dont have experiment with your globe model>Both globe and flat earth models work just fine>I am not here to present a model aka kids toy for youoh nevermind, so you don't even know what a model is, I should have guessed.Also no offense, but it's crazy how clumsy your English is, it's hard to pick apart what you're even trying to say.
>>41617187>Because none of them can even agree on remotely anything about the flat earth, so when you don't magically know the exact combination of claims that they happen to believe in they get upset about it.Why are you talking about "they"? Some pretender clown flat earther made a dumb claim about the suns height, now ever flat earther is guilty of making that same claim? Thats what I mean by guilt by association. What does that have anything to do with earth being measured flat though? I dont care about claims made by pretender clown flat earthers. I care if earth is flat or not.>oh nevermind, so you don't even know what a model is, I should have guessed.Its like you enjoy snacking on paint chips or something. Youre accusing me of not knowing what model is after I literally defined it in my post. Its like you forgot or dont even read
>>41617604>First post was "lets start with a map">160+ posts>Still no map
>>41617090simple associations like this likely planted the flat earth seed in stupid children.
>>41617113>Oh no, I dont know the truth. Im just unable to look at all the very basic stuff and make anything useful out of it.Enjoy picking everything apart, i hope the t-shit sales are worth it.
>>41619417flattys have nothing to give. They just look at the tower of modern discoverys and then go back to their garage, play with small objects until they find a 'flaw' and claim it invalidates the lot.They will pour water on a basketball, watch it run off and declare that proof that the world cant be round as the same rule would apply on a planetary scale.Then watch water cling to a variety of objects while in zero gravity yet dismiss it as the ISS cant be real.its all deliberate. its all very evil at its core. They just want their dumb clan to gain more influence and power.
>>41619556Legal adult no regrets
>>41617604>Why are you talking about "they"? Some pretender clown flat earther made a dumb claim about the suns height, now ever flat earther is guilty of making that same claim? Thats what I mean by guilt by association.Nope, I'm just pointing a funny pattern of how it's impossible to talk flat earth world view seriously, because nobody even agrees on literally any of the details.Not to mention the claim about the sun's height isn't even dumb. If the earth is flat, it would have to be at that height based on observation from North America.And the experiment in the video aims to further investigates that. The result of the experiment is that the observations are incompatible with a flat earth and you find that very uncomfortable and prefer to make a clown out of yourself instead.>I care if earth is flat or not.No you don't, because otherwise you wouldn't run an hide from evidence to the contrary and would be intellectually hones enough to at least entertain the idea that the earth is a globe and think about what the ramifications of that would be
>>41619665maths time, moron.how old wer you when said media was first broadcast?also: post IQ
>170 posts>still no map
>>41619827hmm, so quick to post a smarmy reply, so slow once you realise you showed your retarded truth again.
>>41602469Anyone who believes the Earth is round is a fucking Globehead moron.
>>41620002NO U!!!HAHAHAHAHA
>>41620022Fuck you brainwashed Spherecuck.
>>41620002>>41620033of course its a globe, why would you think its the shape of a pizza?
>>41617604>I dont care about claims made by pretender clown flat earthers.So will you post the records and observations YOU have made?I mean, if you think the world is lying, and you dont listen to the other flerfers, then SURELY you are going out and getting your own info, right?RIGHT????When was the last time you measured how long it takes between noon to noon?Do you even know how to tell if the sun is directly overhead, without something or someone telling you?
Earth is round. Science is based. Space is glorious.
>>41620002whens the next eclipse flatty? hard mode; dont use anything discovered by globe earth believers.Anyone who believes the earth is flat is less than 1% of the population and also coincidentally has massive IQ and authority issues (and no friends)
>>41620038where it the flatty that retorts:>i never said it was round...no flatty, you diddnt dare to assert anything of any use. coward.
>>41620256he's just asking question, you know?
>wheres the curve?Here it is. Proven by the predictable and repeatable distorting effect of the lens that does not distort a straight line across its center.Proof that the horizon is curved.
>the sun and moon circle above usNope, for a start they would both change size as they travelled overhead, due to objects changing size over distance. The measurable brightness of the sun would also illumninate the world all day.Also the full moon would only be possible if the sun was also visibe and obscuring the moon.Also pic related, a mountain would never be higher than the sun causing a shadow to go up on to visibly higher cloud as can be seen by the gap between the mountain and its shadow.
>>41620403not to mention the fact you can regularly see both at the same time...
>there is a totally transparent dome over the earth keeping the air inReally? do we have to go through all the points that make this impossible?ok.meteorites? do they pass through this totally transparent dome but air cannot?if a metiorite hit the 'dome' would it leave a mark that we could see? Wow this dome is made of some strong stuff! if only we could get a sample to see what its made of we would revolutionise our industry.also how did we get the bits into orbit to construct the ISS? it has to be outside of the dome, as its not travelling through air. We know this because its not a flaming, plummeting pile of debris, which is what simple air resistance would do to it.
What fascinates me most about flat earthers is how confident and smug they are about being wrong or clueless. There is nothing wrong with not knowing something, or believing something that's wrong, of course. But displaying your retardation so proudly without a hint of self awareness is stunning.
>>41620033if you could post one coherent idea that would make me pause and doubt the globe earth.Without the argument you are just a just throwing handfulls of nothing and believing thats an acheivement.
>>41619417What did you need a map for? All maps are flat even you globe was stitched with flat earth map data. Seriously go on Google and look up SRTM satellite map data. ALL THE MAPS ARE FLAT. same with Google earth, flat map.Nevermind that I have to keep repeating this shit when you keep asking>MUH MAP>MUH MAP>MUH MAP>FLAT EARTHERS DONT HAVE MUH MAP!!!!umm... Google earth and SRTM data dumbo. Theres your flat earth maps>>41619603Can you please replicate yourself what the ISS did to make water stick to a ball?>>41619730>flat earth world viewI seriously dont care about "flat earth world view" holy shit why do you even care? I care about the nature of earth, the ground beneath our feet.Yes, claiming the suns height is fucking retarded. Nothing about observation of the sun from "north america" or whatever the fuck youre claiming will tell you NOTHING about the suns height.>at least entertain the idea that the earth is a globeThis is the difference between me and you. I care about the ground below my feet when its measured flat. You care about people's "world view" (flat earthers themselves) and "entertaining the globe". Why the hell would I entertain the globe when there absolutely zero globe proof or measuements?>>41620054Observations I have made? EVERY OBSERVATION OF EARTH THAT EVERYONE MAKES IS A FLAT EARTH OBSERVATION WITHOUT EXCEPTION. Maybe we can start with your dumbass radius claim that globers NEVER FUCKING BACK UP because they're a bunch of fucking pansies. Black swan killed your radius idiot, never can you invoke refraction because that will also kill your radius.Mind telling us at what elevation curve of the earth is detected? You cant because curve of the earth isnt found at any elevation.
>>41620590tldr>still no map of flat earth
>>41620590>google, satelliteall maps of a globe.>flatties still dont have a mapcringe.
>>41620597SRTM data and Google maps>>41620611SRTM data = flat mapsShow me the globe map there
>>41620620>flat maplmao what does that even mean, retardo?
>>41620647All maps are flat, welcome to flat earth fucking retard
>>41620663guys, look at this flat earth retard!>ill draw continents on a basketball>ill make a map of that basketball>this mean real life basketballs are flathahahahahaha.
>>41620590>What did you need a map for?The fact that you don't even understand why this is a problem for you speaks volumes.Technically, if you want to challenge the globe you would need to present something that can explain AT LEAST every observation that the globe explains. So just having a flat earth map wouldn't even be nearly enough, but you can't even do that.>I care about the nature of earth, the ground beneath our feet.No you don't. You just want it to be flat so you dismiss anything that could challenge that. That's more than obvious from your posts here.>Nothing about observation of the sun from "north america" or whatever the fuck youre claiming will tell you NOTHING about the suns height.dunno where you are from, but this is basic trigonometry we learned in 8th grade or something>Why the hell would I entertain the globe when there absolutely zero globe proof or measuements?Again, the fact that you don't even understand what I'm trying to get across speaks volumes.Stay ignorant buddy, more power to you.
>>41602469>>41602472>picture of a disc floating in space with water spilling out over the edge and the sun in the center>first reply made exactly 1 minute and 1 second after OP, happens to be canned antiflat earth rhetoric Obvious shill anti-flat earther OP is obvious. 99% of FE threads are OP’d by anti-flat earth shills aka controlled opposition. >>41602472>>41606978Everything in the popmedia is fake and gay. The entire world is (((their))) stage. Stop blindly believing the ludicrous narratives being fed to you by your mainstream media pundits and social media algorithms.Those of you itt who don’t understand just how easy it is for corrupt governments and powerful institutions/entities to propagandize entire societies should watch this immediately:>Meet Edward Bernays, Master of Propaganda:https://www.corbettreport.com/meet-edward-bernays-master-of-propaganda/…And thats just the tip of the ice(((berg))). If you approach the rabbithole with a mentality of genuine interest in learning the truth about this reality and your place in it, (you) will inevitably arrive at the topic of flat earth.Protip: every single answer to literally any and all flat earth related questions you may have can be found in this pastebin:https://pastebin.com/jk2hAdmhfor those itt who are unaware:space is fake and gay, the magical spinning cartoon ball earth is fake and gay. we literally live in God's snow globe and every decision (you) make has immense meaning and significance. change your ways and start living correctly. dont fall for the nihilism meme and dont fall for any of the religion memes. you can look at life as either a test or a game but whatever you do, dont look at it as meaningless. BE A GOOD PERSON AND LIVE BY THE GOLDEN RULE ALWAYS! also stop jerking off you pathetic littel squirtboys; your life will drastically improve when abstaining from degeneracy.
>>41620720>still no map of flat earth
>>41602469>>41602472>>41602472>>41606978>>41620720The world is owned and controlled by a small handful of literal satanists, eugenicists and psychopaths. They want to bring suffering, misery and death upon humanity. Above all else they want your soul. They will do anything and everything in their power to convince (you) to become materialistic and nihilistic so that you become easy to control and manipulate (thats the primary objective of the heliocentric model). If youre convinced there is no metaphysical nature to reality, it is easier for them to convince you to sin and commit atrocities for them. For lurkers itt who are unaware of this fact and new to learning about how this world actually works start here:THE ELITE, ROYAL BLOODLINES, BILL GATES & THE EUGENICS IDEOLOGY:https://www.corbettreport.com/bigoilhttps://www.corbettreport.com/who-is-bill-gates-full-documentary-2020THE FEDERAL RESERVE:https://corbettreport.com/federalreserveCONSPIRACIES RESOURCES:https://www.corbettreport.com/bestofhttps://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/70qvx7/updated_list_of_proven_conspiracies_and_hiddenhttps://unlimitedhangout.comhttps://www.thelastamericanvagabond.comhttps://www.crrow777radio.comtkelly6785757SHADOWBANNED FLAT EARTH VIDS/RESOURCES:https://pastebin.com/jk2hAdmhNukeHOAX:https://youtu.be/0cgCwZNTKIEhttps://vimeo.com/331671526Germs/viruses:https://www.bitchute.com/video/joZF7GsUmbfdHIV/AIDS:https://youtu.be/8BXxXcIYY_QCovidHOAX:https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/448646795/#448671181EVOLUTION:https://youtu.be/rXexaVsvhCMhttps://youtu.be/DtCIp9sgiE0https://youtu.be/xDvKD_z3OeQhttps://youtu.be/vdSjyvIHVLwhttps://youtu.be/cCk-b9GaY5kSANDY HOOK:https://www.bitchute.com/video/iazwAxgBtexCLooking to perform your own tests/experiments to confirm or falsify the mainstream claims? (you) can start here:https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40375472/#40435656https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/40375472/#40435684
>>41620590this level of ignorance and arrogance should not even be possible.
>>41620390>>41620403>>41620424AHEM.>wahh i dont have a map or any idea what shape the flat earth could even be.... better add 20 posts of shit to avoid the salient points.flateartherdogingrealityinslomoMatrixstyle.jpg
>>41620590>Can you please replicate yourself what the ISS did to make water stick to a ball?And exactly how could i show you this in a way that would get through your cult conditioning?
>>41620857actually, i would like to have the money to take you up to the ISS just to watch your asperger riddled mind blow a fuse and then to watch you go back to your cult only for them to turn on you and ritualistically burn you to death for heresy.
>>41620590its been about 4 years now, since i started taking the piss out of flat earth beliefs.My favorite time was this year when i focused on proof obtainable from simple telescopes which caused flattys to demand I leave them alone to enjoy their belief in peace. 4 fucking years of "I dont believe a word of the science that educated people have used to achieve great things over the last 150 years, instead I will counter this accumulated knowledge with my limited personal observations. Also I will be a rude jerk about it too."4 fucking years.And nothing has changed in these threads.I will stay here, as without opposition there is a real chance that this retardation will spread and the church of ignorant morons will gain political power and a new dark age will consume the GLOBE.
>>41602489Do explain how the sun rises behind the horizon and sets behind the horizon… I have provided you with jpg.
>>41610163Technically at some points horizontally would be flat… probably toss 2 suns in there and keep them rotating around continuously…
>>41602489have you been there and mapped this personally?Sorry to be such a pedant, but its in keeping with flat earther responses.
>>41620590>EVERY OBSERVATION OF EARTH THAT EVERYONE MAKESSo the liars and the stupid clowns.And you have never done any recording or observations yourself.What a retard.
>>41620693There are no observations of the globe. More baseless assertion pulled from your ass.>You just want it to be flat so you dismiss anything that could challenge that. Not sure whats going to challenge the earth's being observable and measurable flat.>dunno where you are from, but this is basic trigonometry we learned in 8th grade or somethingWrong, 8th grade geometry doesnt tell you the height of the sun, or tells you the sun is 93 million miles away. More baseless assertion pulled from your ass. It comes from astronomy (pseudoscience) not geometry.>Again, the fact that you don't even understand what I'm trying to get across speaks volumes.The thing youre trying to get across I hope is a measurable earth curve with a radius of 3959 miles. You failed miserably with that still.
>>41621118>earth's being observable and measurable flat.its really really not. https://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Determining+the+Shape+of+the+Earth+with+Zenith+Angle+Measurements&q=Zenith+angles+radiusAlso: WGS84
>>41621150So your claim is theodolite measurements which measured angles and start from a horizontal. Those are flat measurements dumbass. If you use a celestial theodolite which uses calculations for geodetic datum and refraction, then those are calculations not measurements
>>41621252you do understand do you? i can see how you'd place a kind of mental block on stuff like this because it so clearly cant be a flat earth once you see whats being done.ive seen similar reaction in cult members when presented with information they simply dont want to see.
>>41621321Whats so cult-like about demanding you back your claims up you keep running away from? Seems more cultish to believe in a globe which contradicts empirical evidence.I have to explain to you that those calculations arent measurements. You balltards should be more grateful that we are educating you on this matter
>>41621481>contradicts empirical evidence.once you understand the whole deal with RZA like i posted for you above, youll be able to go make your own observations and find out that the earth is not flat. expect to have to put a little bit of effort into understanding things by yourself.
>>41621252>Those are flat measurements dumbass.Then you will have no problem at all showing us where the Moon is located above the flat earth and how big it is.Find a location for the Moon so that it satisfies the azimuth and altitude angles for all 3 observers in this table (taken from Stellarium) and then find a radius for the Moon so that it satisfies the apparent angular size for all 3 observers. You got this!!!!
>>41621118>There are no observations of the globeThere are, you just deny all of them and call them fake with no basis>observable and measurable flat.How did you observe and measure it? Is it perchance a measurement that would come out identical on very big sphere?>8th grade geometry doesnt tell you the height of the sunI never claimed that, try again>>41621252>So your claim is theodolite measurements which measured angles and start from a horizontalYou do know what a tangent is, right?
>>41620726See folks this is how well poisoning works some of these conspiracy’s are true but mix in some flat earth bullshit and it discredits the rest by association. Normies won’t want to hear about the federal reserve or the clot shots if they think it’s related to flat earth.
>>41621481> You balltards should be more grateful that we are educating you on this matterPlease oh wise flat earth sempai . Educate a poor ignorant fool like me that has been brainwashed by balltard propaganda in your wisdom in how tides and eclipse really work. I humbly beseach you in all your knowledge of the truth of the earth being a disk and gravity being fake and gay to please educate me on these matters.
>>41621481>Seems more cultish to believe in a globe which contradicts empirical evidencePlease show me a single piece of empirical evidence that contradicts the globe. Seriously, give me your strongest argument.
>>41621749also notice how that pasta is posted all over the chans all day every day.
>>41622038>RZAits the concept i just posted to you and that you should be busy learning all about: Reciprocal Zenith Angles.
>>41621510WTF you mean by RZA? The American rapper? Im supposed to know what that acronym means?>>41621697 "Moon" is a celestial object, angular size of it will tell you nothing about its true size, or anything about the ground having curvature. This is because celestial objects dont apply to physical objects.>>41621731>How did you observe and measure it? Is it perchance a measurement that would come out identical on very big sphere?Why dont you give me one measurement of globe earth for once? Like I say you keep running away from it like all glerfs. When we reference things like horizon, eye level, sea level, surface level, linear, line or sight, azimuth, zenith, and dip angle, its up to you to prove how those measurements mean we live on a ball.>>41621816 >Please show me a single piece of empirical evidence that contradicts the globe. Seriously, give me your strongest argument.Celestial navigation. Sextant kills the globe, #1 flat earth proofhttps://youtu.be/58kR5-bgL4o?si=ecImXnE7mBCHVd6O [Open]
>>41622062why have you posted the same thing 3 times now?
>>41622057Okay, explain how reciprocal zenith angles are utilized in celestial navigation. Note that you must be measuring one angle in celestial navigation to each star
>>41622075what? look anon, go look into this properly. it'll be a revelation for you. you do want the truth right?
>>41622062>"Moon" is a celestial object, angular size of it will tell you nothing about its true size, or anything about the ground having curvature. This is because celestial objects dont apply to physical objects.Just admit that you can't do it. I had no problem using a sphere so why can't you do it using a flat plane? Could it be that you know that it won't work so you just make up excuses?
>>41622062>Celestial navigationby the stars? the stars that circle one way at the north pole and the other at the south?Now tell me i am not allowed to see stars (apart from the stars i see when faced with flat earth retardation)
>>41620851AHEM.funny how the good points are ignored then a pedantic string of posts appear about who knows what about drawing fucking lines.its as if this is a bot filled trap to waste peoples time.
so we have a perfectly functioning, intra-supportive idea of the cosmos. its called the heliocentric model. we use it to predict the future position of planets and other phenomena that can only happen if its all true.Oh, but here comes a blind mentally retarded person:>erths flat, you cant prove anything.really? and what do you have to replace it that also does the same job?>duhh i dont even know what shape the flat earth is supposed to be. i never said it was a disc.so whats your point?>globe is a lie coz it cant be true coz of a logical fallacy i made up. you have to prove it.Actually, no. i will just carry on with my globe earth reality. your argument has totally failed to call it into question. Nice fucking pass-time you have here flattys!
>>41622208Plumb lines are not parallel you idiot, neither are they conforming around a radius of 3959 miles. These are calculations not measurements. Never in a blueprint for a construction project do you have a ground thats curving.>>41622255Affirming the consequence/ begging the question fallacy>>41622303Which way do the stars move dingus? We all know from east to west but for some reason youre saying "one way or the other"
>>41622391>dingusi doubt you have seen it, as you cant move without support, but its very simple.Stars appear to rotate in opposite directions around theNorth Celestial Pole (counter-clockwise around Polaris) and the South Celestial Pole (clockwise around Sigma Octantis, though dimmer), because Earth rotates eastward; from the Northern Hemisphere, looking North shows counter-clockwise motion, while looking South shows clockwise motion (opposite of North), and the Southern Hemisphere sees the reverse patterns, all due to the observer's perspective on our spinning planet.Now there is proof earth is a globe
>>41602472>Lets start with a map of flat earth.>I denounce the talmud and the torah.Notice how flat earthers talk about jews a lot more suddenly as hating them becomes more mainstream through Instagram and such?Remember kids. Flat Earth is a psyop to make other conspiracy theories look badJews are bad, and so is the talmund
>>41620424You're making a mistake by trying to use logic with flerfers.>meteoritesEither they don't exist or simply magically appear inside the dome. Don't think about it too hard.>also how did we get the bits into orbit to construct the ISS?Doesn't exist.>it has to be outside of the dome, as its not travelling through air. We know this because its not a flaming, plummeting pile of debris, which is what simple air resistance would do to it.You're putting way too much thought into this. Way more than any flerfer ever will.
>>41622391>Never in a blueprint for a construction project do you have a ground thats curving.Once again, flerfoids can't into scale. We haven't constructed anything even remotely big enough for the curve to be relevant. At the scales construction is done at, the earth might as well be flat.
Flerfers - retards that cant use a simple machine.
>>41622450East to west is one direction. clockwise and counter clockwise arent actual directions they are cardinal directions. If you are looking directly at a road with cars going left to right, you can cross the road and turn around, cars now go right to left.
Jews know the earth is flatMagic don't work unless it's a plane
>>41622747you had to think about that for a while and thats the best you could come up with.>"you cant see the stars moving in different directions"Time to just accept what reality is telling you.But also thanks for not coming out with a dumb asspull like the firmament is in 2 sections moving in 2 directions.
>>41622062>Celestial navigation. Sextant kills the globeI'm sorry what? This guy just proves the globe by saying in his opening that celestial navigation requires a correction for the dip of the horizon. If there earth were flat and you applied these corrections to your sextant measurement you would introduce an error of multiple nautical miles (picrel, a minute on the sextant represents a nautical mile, so you'd already be over 4 nautical miles off measuring from 20ft above sea level)(Here's a table from 1836 for said correction https://archive.org/details/acompletesetnau00norigoog/page/n198/mode/2up (Table V))Or are you suggesting that all the 19th century navigators were in on the globe conspiracy?To be fair he massively misrepresents it to make it seem more absurd than it is. I somehow doubt you care, but to figure out your position you need the angle between the celestial body and the artificial horizon (as he calls it in the video). Now he says you "measure the dip to the visual horizon" which is false. You measure the angle between the visual horizon and the celestial object and then use the dip angle to calculate the angle between the artificial horizon and the celestial object.It's pretty simple to understand, if you would actually be intellectually honest.
>>41622702Man I really want a theodolite and a sextant. Or an astronomical theodolite so that I don't hurt my back.
>>41622613i see it like trying to squeeze a large concept into a mind that is not genetically able to contain it.Once the retards get over their asberger-like rejection of outside knowledge the flat earth will go back to being just an outdated hypothesis from an age of superstition.
>>41602469>denounce the TalmudI'm surprised you flerfs would do that since it endorses a flat earth>This chapter describes the talmudic model of the universe. The rabbis of the Talmud believed that the world was flat, and that the sun revolved around the Earth every day. There is a debate about the length of the solar year in the Talmud, and its consequences and the rare Jewish ceremony of the Blessing of the Sun (Birkat Hahammah) are discussed. The view of the talmudic rabbis is contrasted with that of the contemporary Greek astronomers. While the rabbis of the Talmud argued about the size of the flat Earth, the Greeks had determined the Earth to be a sphere, had calculated its circumference and had moved on to consider other questions. Next the chapter describes how Maimonides (1138-1204) adopted the Ptolemaic system, and examples of Ptolemaic biblical commentary are given.https://academic.oup.com/book/1751/chapter-abstract/141387578?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false
>>41602469Wait your picture shows the flat earth floating in space. But don't you claim space is fake and gay? Also it shows the sun outside the dome. So is the sun inside the dome or outside the dome.it seems like you are actually advocating a disk world which would be an actual flat world model that could work but since most of you don't seem to believe in gravity which is required to make it work then I guess that options off the table.Funny how scince fiction can come up with a better flat earth model then any of you flerfs can>Discworlds: Flat Earths & Alderson Discshttps://youtu.be/U2bc7kZcpmQ
>>41622849>outdated hypothesis from an age of superstition.actually flat earth is a relatively modern idea from the 19th centrury started buy a guy trying to Grift money by Debating the royal Society with and absurd notion. Most of todays flat earth insanity can be traced back to this Guy.>Samuel Birley Rowbotham (/ˈroʊbɒtəm/;[1] 1816 – 23 December 1884, in London) was an English inventor, writer, utopian socialist[2] and flat Earther who wrote Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe under the pseudonym Parallax. His work was originally published as a 16-page pamphlet (1849), and later expanded into a book (1865).https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Rowbotham
>>41620720>>41620726Well, I actually read and watched few videos from that pastebin and now every google search I make requires a captcha.
>>41620927What your biggest / go to method to prove how retarded flat earthers are?
>>41611817
>>41620720> “There is a certain great difference, O men of Greece, between truth and custom. For truth is found when it is honestly sought; but custom, whatsoever be the character of the custom received, whether true or false, is strengthened by itself without the exercise of judgment; and he who has received it is neither pleased with it as being true, nor grieved with it as false. For such an one has believed not by judgment, but by prejudice, resting his own hope on the opinion of those who have lived before him on a mere peradventure. And it is not easy to cast off the ancestral garment, though it be shown to himself to be wholly foolish and ridiculous." - Pseudo-Clement, Homily IV, Chapter XI The dimension of the flesh belongs to the serpent, aka lucifier.There is one key to open the lock. Through the Holy Spirit. Let Jesus save you through His Blood, you escape and your eye becomes single.Read the BibleSave your life.Locked In: How to Escape Your Prison (BY JONATHAN KLECK)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf5jXxf4gqw
>>41624947Genuine question, how can one guy manages to deny every single programming being taught to him, but refuses to put the bible or any other religious scripture in the same category?And coincidentally, people who refuse to do that were raised in a religious household or influence.For me this is a major intelligence flag to consider. If you ain't an agnostic then you are just another cog in the wheel.If "bible" is the only way to god, then "bible" itself is a god. Why even look for god? Just follow whatever the bible says. But aah, you won't.Because this:>“But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you” (Matthew 5:43–44).is hard, you would rather do:>If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.which is a satanic rule.Religious people are hypocrites nothing more. They view everything through a filter of "what does this mean with respect to X religion".
>>41624905Ask them to explain a sunset/sunrise or moonset/moonrise. They will tell you that it's due to perspective.see >>41615524>This is just showing you dont understand how perspective works. Why to all lampposts converge to one line if they're on an observably flat street? Why do the street and buildings outside all converge to that line?Then you ask them why the sun and moon doesn't change in angular size throughout the day if it's due to perspective and they won't have an answer or they will lie and claim that they do.This also applies to the stars and constellations.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mar9tvn3LicFlattards are true clowns.
>>41613142>or just run awayThis dude didn't get a response in 2 days lmao
>>41623314>a disk world which would be an actual flat world model that could workNot really. Gravity would pull at an increasing angle the farther you get from the center, basically sideways near the edges. And that's assuming it doesn't collapse the disc into a ball.
>>41624930>projection of a globe
>251 posts Still no map of flat earth.
>>41622848That was what I had to use to determine that gravity is not JUST down, but confirmed that it can provide a lateral force as well.
>>41615411Isn't that the same CIA crisis actor they use at school shootings? He usually plays the principal. Sometimes the janitor.
>>41624930Gee, I wonder why an international organization would use a flat map that depicts all countries on earth instead of a globe that can only show half.And good on them for choosing a nice projection that fits into a circle and doesn't distort most of the continents too much.Also there are plenty people who "control the globe" and have one in their logo>International Telecommunications Union>International Centre for Hydrogen Energy Technologies>United Nations System Staff College>United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund>Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development>International Monetary Fund>International Court of JusticeOf course you can just dismiss those. But it's funny how conspiracy theorists always want to have it both ways: If an organizations has the "flat earth map" as a logo, it's proof of their evil plan, if they don't and have a globe instead, it's also proof of the evil plan.
>>41625686Oooh, I've never seen that Briesemeister one before, that's really nice.
>>41625705I think I like this one, because it does most of the distortion over the open ocean
>>41625711>it does most of the distortion over the open oceanWhy I like the authagraph as well.
>>41625725That, and the ability to tesselate.You can make multiple maps, depending on what you want in the central focus.
>>41602469This picture is a false representation of flat earth. The earth is not a disc in space and the sun is not outside of it.
>>41622391>measures angles>These are calculations not measurementsLOL. flerf bullshit knows no limit
>>41622636i read that surveyors consider anything under 10 miles to be essentially flat because the change is so slight. which is perfectly reasonable given the size of the earth
>262 posts>still no map of flat earth
>>41625815Not even just that. Every popular conspiracy theory with any evidence that can hold, truth these kikes jump on and throw with flat earth. Not a bunch at once. Just that one. The thread is mega botted
>>41620726>Elites>School shootings>Covid hoax>OP is anti-kikeAll of these are things are with their evidence. But with Flat Earth sprinkled in. The goal is to say stuff they don't want normies to believe, then throw the most outlandish and out there theory on top. Even if flat earth were true, this screams glowie. Not even saying all the anons here that believe flat earth are glowies, just that it's obvious something is upWouldn't be the first time. I mean Trump the mega kike made covid and other stuff seem like alt-right maga bs. Throw Flat Earth on top with MAGA and all those things look dumb
>>41626147>Throw Flat Earth on top with MAGA and all those things look dumbFlat earth maga:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CGfKSJzl1Ehttps://www.rawstory.com/trump-flat-earth/https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2024/06/trump-supporters-proudly-say-the-earth-is-flat-in-viral-video/Heres how maga is used:https://www.buzzfeed.com/carleysuthers/people-share-outrageous-maga-lies""My uncle said he didn't believe in the government telling him what to do when confronted with him visiting my still-fresh nephew, who was a NICU baby with respiratory issues, when we found out he wasn't vaccinated or wearing a mask (which were my sister's only requirements to meet her children)."> Used mental manipulation to make you sad with these. Notice how they never just say anti vacc is bad but throw a sob story in?Again, i want to say i don't think all of you are kike machines, but be wary. Even if true, you could be being used:https://www.reddit.com/r/flatearth/comments/1df335g/maga_is_very_gullible_and_went_full_antiscience/
>>41625686>picrelKek. Globetards literally bending themselves into pretzels trying to come up with a map that makes sense LMAO. There's already a map that makes sense and it's flat, just like the earth.
>>41622845>dip angle is somehow proving the globeMaybe learn what it is first
>>41626188i like how lines of longitude keep getting wider and wider towards the edge.
>>41625815Its never going to happen, and its quite damning that it will remain that way. Address that please flat earthers
>>41626188even the simplest concepts like taking the surface of a sphere and laying it out flat so we can see it all at the same time utterly confound the flat earther.but out of all the salient points raise in the last 100 posts, the flatty cherry-picks this ONE because they can make it 'sound' silly and thats enough to make them happy.
>>41625794Then what is it.
>>41626190On a flat plane the dip angle would approach zero regardless of observer height. On a sphere it doesn't, hence the correction chart.
>>41625430Watch the video the content creator brings this problem up although as far as mega structures go disk worlds would be a bit impractical and there are better mega structures with sufficient tech a disk world is possible.
>>41625794So you will go on the record as flat earther admitting that the sun is within the dome? Finally we have some progress towards a model. I can never get a flat earther to answer whether the sun is inside or outside the dome.
>>41626659>you will go on the record as flat eartherOf course he will. right up until it needs to be the other way, then he doesnt know you and never answered before and by the way you arent using the right flat earth model.
>>41626664Yeah I know they always move the goal posts. Holding them to anything in like trying to grip slime . I heard one flat earther tell me it was a laser like beam that came through the dome so the source was external now this one claims it’s internal . I want them to give me a consistent location of the sun so I can then have them explain how in mountainous area when the sun sets why it’s dips bellow the summit. When all there internal sun models show it flying way above any geographic features that would obstruct it. I know it’s like beating a dead horse. They will just call me a ball head a globe tard or mason jew shill. If I ask any hard hitting questions. It’s all so tiresome.
>>41626188I choose to believe that you're just baiting for shits and giggles, because I refuse to believe even a flat earther would actually be this stupid
>>41625794Like i said here. >>41626182Even if a lot of flat-earth people here. OP or whoever runs these threads are bots/glowiesidk if Flat Earth is real, but these threads are used to denounce theories and truths. That's why OP goes on about the Talmund
>>41617604>Why are you talking about "they"? Some pretender clown flat earther made a dumb claim about the suns height, now ever flat earther is guilty of making that same claim? Thats what I mean by guilt by associationI'm a bit confused by this. So you're saying the sun being 5000km above the earth is dumb. However if we look at a list of simple facts>on the Equinox the sun is directly overhead at the equator>on the Equinox the sun can be observed at an elevation of 45° from any location at 45° latitude>the distance between 45° degrees latitude and the equator is about 5000km>with all that, simple geometry puts the sun 5000km above the equatorSo you have to think that at least one of the statements above is false, right? I'm curious to know which one and why
>>41606978Tie string to back of boat, a big long one,sail 200 miles outstill hasn't sunk beneath the water or moved at all.also Antarctica, just read about it for awhile and how it takes up to 200 days to sail "around", even though mechanically it should be at most 1/8 the circumference of the equator, because that's how a ball works.The tip off for me was pic related though.
>274 posts>still no map of flat earth
>>41626972you're not serious about this stuff are you?
>>41627168look bud, last time i tangles with you, you got so made you threaten to kill all the flat earthers and their children, so this is my last comment in this thread. i've gone over this many times with you and your buddies who i assume post from the same room in india with you, long distance construction projects do not account for the curve of the earth during building, and assume a flat datum at all times. You as well can go measure the circumference of the earth and compare it to Antarctica and realize something is up. I do not claim to know, or have a super accurate model of the nature of the sun and it's relation to the moon and position in the sky to the earth, but i sure all hell know this, that damn thing is flat, and it has to be, for our underseas cabals, railroad, and canals to function without cutting across into mountain tall walls in order to maintain a flat datum.
>>41627255that wasnt me. >You as well can go measure the circumference of the earth and compare it to Antarctica and realize something is upno you cant. nothings up.>for our underseas cabals, railroad, and canals to function without cutting across into mountain tall walls in order to maintain a flat datum.you dont even know what that term means.
>>41620590>flat earth world viewI seriously dont care about "flat earth world view" holy shit why do you even care? I care about the nature of earth, the ground beneath our feet.Yes, claiming the suns height is fucking retarded. Nothing about observation of the sun from "north america" or whatever the fuck youre claiming will tell you NOTHING about the suns height.>at least entertain the idea that the earth is a globeThis is the difference between me and you. I care about the ground below my feet when its measured flat. You care about people's "world view" (flat earthers themselves) and "entertaining the globe". Why the hell would I entertain the globe when there absolutely zero globe proof or measuements?lol, u mad bro?
>>41627540>Nothing about observation of the sun from "north america" or whatever the fuck youre claiming will tell you NOTHING about the suns height.Trigonometry disagrees
>>41626486>theres zero dip angle if theres a flat planeThat makes zero damn sense idk how you can be this dense in the head.You literally just took my Pic and reposted it, WITH A FUCKING FLAT PLANE AND NON ZERO DIP ANGLE. holy shit dude were you dropped on your damn fucking head or something?
>>41627694>You literally just took my Pic and reposted it, WITH A FUCKING FLAT PLANE AND NON ZERO DIP ANGLEYep, to show you that the dip angle isn't a line drawn between the observer and an arbitrary point along the ground.>That makes zero damn senseSounds like a you issue
>>41627743The dip angle is a depression from horizontal eye level. You thinking that depression means the ground is curving is obsurd. Its an affirming the consequence fallacy.So weird how you glerfs must subtlety imply the ground is curving due to dip angles, yet you can still never get A DAMN MEASUREMENT OF THE GROUND THAT HAS A DETECTABLE AND MEASURABLE RADIUS. Because all you fucktard balltards are crayon munchers and glue sniffers. Youre cooked
>>41627255>construction projects do not account for the curve of the earthno, they dont need to as the difference in angle over distance is miniscule. unless we start constructing things out of mile-long prefabricated parts we will never need to.But thats your ground breaking idea that makes the flat earth plausible?the rest of your post makes me worried you are having a stroke.
>>41627777>The dip angle is a depression from horizontal eye levelFrom eye level to where? If the ground is flat the horizon always rises to eye level and the dip angle approaches zero. It's not that hard, really.>That makes zero damn senseAgain I'm baffled at how confident and smug you are about being wrong. Some epistemological humility would do you real good
>>41627800>>41627255Fun fact some construction projects like long suspension bridges do account for curvature. depending on how long those bridges are the tops of their towers might be an inch or two further apart than their bases
>>41627836Based.real engineers BTFO the flatty morons
>>41627825You just dont understand what the horizon is and youre using that word to mean as if horizon = groundHorizon isnt physical, horizon is APPARENT.Dip angle is a deviation/depression from that apprent location called the horizon. Thats why its called eye level horizon, not eye level ground
>>41627255o shit guyz, i just built a lego set.but i forgot to factor in the curvature of the earth, now my set is in bits and on fire.
>>41627836Show us the blueprint where they have the ground curving for the projectYou cant because no blueprint for a bridge ever accounted for curve
>>41627866>ever accounted for curve*i wish because that kind of proof will be hard to fob off and i will have to add it to the flat earth shill ignore list.
engineer on the Dubai Line here.we dug a long trench, measured it all as we went along.butwhen we got to the end, we looked back and it was curving down further away!all that work ruined!anyway we had to give up cancel the project
When is the world gonna find healing from the blerfers (glerfers?) and their lies.Just the fact that the sun would shine at midnight in New York half of the year and the day would be dark if the earth would rotate 3600 every day and it does. Otherwise ships wouldn't be able to navigate.
>>41628041>3600 every day and it doesstroke alert.get back to us when you work out what shape the flat earth is supposed to be.PS, the liar is you. you liar.
>>41627857>Horizon isnt physical, horizon is APPARENT.Correct, and on a flat plane it's infinity far away, hence the dip angle approaches zero.On a curved surface the horizon is an actual line which you can measure a distance to.There is no shame in being bad at geometry, but it is quite embarrassing to be so confident about it
>>41628073as everyone knows, to flerf you gotta lie.gotta lie to flerf
>>41628041>Just the fact that the sun would shine at midnight in New York half of the year and the day would be dark if the earth would rotate 3600 every day and it doesCare to elaborate?
>>41628075Tell me why you think theres zero dip angle on sealevel/surface level while looking at the APPARENT eye level horizon ? Nothing you say logically follows. Nothing about "infinite plane" suggests zero dip angle. What the hell do you think you're looking at with the horizon? Hint: its not the ground like I told you.The horizon is not a physical sphere edge, debunked by the black swan and sextantGeo= earthMetry =measure Earths measured flat in Geometry
>>41628157See >>41628075>There is no shame in being bad at geometry, but it is quite embarrassing to be so confident about it
>298 postsStill no map of flat earth
>>41626972>it takes up to 200 days to sail "around"Take a look at the winning times of these sailors.If you are TRYING to race, then a one man pro in a racing sailboat can do it in 60-100 days.Can YOU explain how they would be able to do this, if they were going 30,000 miles around an ice wall?Keep in mind tens of thousands pay attention to this, and hundreds of millions of competetive dollars are spent on it.People would know if someone was cheating and taking a shorter route.
>>41628278Horizon = Horizonal. LITERALLY DEFINED AS THE APPARENT LOCATION. Not physical location. Not making this up you assclown, look it up
Old maps don't lie
>>41628554Horizontal*
>>41628561
>>41628561>>41628572>Both are maps of the globe Nice.
>>41628342Eddy currents and ice wall trade win Coriolis effect allows ships to move more quickly near the ice wall.
You know the earth is flat because of all the shills. They unironically prove it’s flat. If it was round they wouldn’t be here. Check mate.
>>41630195Oh really? HOW quickly?Let's see you do some math and tell us how fast a SAILBOAT would have to be moving to make that trip - let's say in 200 days: what you first said.
>>41630825FE was spammed over and over and over FOR YEARS.flerfers - they ALWAYS lie.
>>41630195What ice wall, lmao.
>>41626901I'm curious too. Flatties trust the angle of the sextant for celestial navigation to calculate your position assuming the light from the stars arent parallel. That requires the stars to be much closer on the flat model vs the globe model. So close, that moving 1000 miles in one direction changes the angle notably. It's perspective and trigonometry.
>>41630825>You know the earth is flatyou just dont have a clue what shape it might be.how is that a winning move? you dont have any pieces on this chessboard, you just keep trying to knock mine over
>>41630825Some people unironically think this way and it's the dumbest shit.You could apply that to literally anything. Why are so many shills out there telling me the sky is blue, just proves that there is a coverup
>>41628554On a flat plane the horizon rises to eye level, on a curved surface it doesn't.This is a simple geometrical truth no matter what shape the earth is.The fact that you don't get this isn't my problem. It's like trying to have an argument with someone who things 1+1=4
>>41628561So how does navigating on a flat earth work. Does the length of nautical miles depend on your location, or are the grid lines wrong because all the navigators are in on the globe conspiracy?Seems like a huge pain in the ass to deal with either way
In case anyone wants to watch a very extensive documentary on the topic over the course of a week or two, I love to shill this guys videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh4ze5bWLcIHe goes really in depth on all stuff flat earth and I especially like how he tries tog et behind the WHY of it all, without simply dismissing flat earthers as just too stupid to get it or saying it's all a CIA psyop or something.
Flight paths are proof that the earth is flat
>>41631379Care to name some examples?Flight times and routes in the southern hemisphere make no sense on that map
Up to a certain point, there were no ice walls.https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/s/ve1h80
>>41631495>1578we already knew the earth was a globe long before thatthat's how easy it is to figure that out, you don't even need any advanced instruments for that
>>41631379the combined knowledge that we use every day is unshaken and in no way threatened by brainfart statements such as this.Challenging established facts needs more than faith and chery picked maps.your statement has fallen flat.
>>41631555>Challenging established factsI will provide a single piece of the puzzle. (pic related)Good luck
>>41627800>no, they dont needand there it is, the typical globie is having his cake and eating it too, "it's curved, except not enough for anyone to notice" dude just no, if i build a tunnel without accounting for a curve over fifty miles long through a mountain i am going to end up 1667.17 feet sticking out off the ground by the time we bust through the other side of that mountain. Again you have no model, no empirical proofs about the size of the earth, and all your flights go north to save time because the southern hemisphere is 33% larger than the north, hence why NO ONE has taken the no stop plane from Santiago to Perth with the exceptions of a few freemasons from YouTube. Earth is some how whizzing through space at over 1000mph yet we have light breezes going every which way instead of in a uniform manor in conjunction with the title, as well as sunbeams doing the same, as the sun is 93 million miles away and should only be projecting light at the angle of the earth. You want flat earth models, but cannot produce any of your own to explain how basic things like winds and sunlight function.
>>41631585How does some dude's alliances influence the shape of the earth?
>>41628342you also have to keep in mind the simple fact that it would be incredibly obvious to any sailor if they were going around a landmass, or if that land mass surrounded them instead. In the former case you'd have to keep turning towards the landmass to keep going around it; in the latter case you'd have to keep turning away from the landmass to avoid running into it.your plotted course on a chart would also clearly show which it was.
>>41631647>it's curved, except not enough for anyone to noticewhat's so hard to believe about that?see >>41615940also >>41627836>you have no modelwe do you just ignore it>no empirical proofs about the size of the earthwe do you just ignore it>and all your flights go north to save timethey go north because that's where most of the cities are that people want to go to. And what about the flights that don't? Why would any flights from Australia to South America not fly over North America if the earth were flat?>hence why NO ONE has taken the no stop plane from Santiago to Perth with the exceptions of a few freemasons from YouTube.oh nvm, you're just dismissing it like you always do>Earth is some how whizzing through space at over 1000mph yet we have light breezes going every which way instead of in a uniform manor in conjunction with the titlewhy? which force would cause the winds to go in a uniform direction?Seriously dude, why are you asking questions if you don't want to hear the answers to them?Being a truth seeker is real easy when you can just call anything you don't like or understand fake, huh?
>>41631684>what's so hard to believe about that?flat earthers really struggle with comprehending the scale of things. it runs through pretty much everything they ever talk about.
>>41631759It's more just struggling with logic in general desu.They make a claim that some observation would be impossible on the globe but never actually check if that's true, when that should be the very first thing you do if you actually wanted to disprove it.
>>41631791im never sure if anyone really believes the stuff they say when it comes to flat earth. its very hard to believe that they are serious.
>>41631866I recommend watching >>41631377 if you can find the time. He goes really deep into it and I think many people do genuinely believe it. Pretty sure there are some that are just in on it for the grift though.
>>41631941didn't mean to say that nobody believes it because ive met a couple irl that were clearly not doing it for a joke. One of them couldn't even understand how the phases of the moon work, so it was a struggle from the start. He also believed that demons had channeled a book to him and it was the best book ever written. interesting guy.i'll take a look at the video, thanks. when you say he goes into the why of it all, what do you mean exactly? the the psychology of it? the cultishness?
>>41631994>when you say he goes into the why of it all, what do you mean exactly? the the psychology of it? the cultishness?Pretty much. Also there is a bit towards the end about how he believes the popularity of flat earth was just a perfect storm of algorithmically driven engagement. Algorithms designed to make you stay on websites for as long as possible, managed to single out gullible people and send them down a spiral of ever more outlandish conspiracy theories and flat earth happened to be the bottom of that pit.To me that's a lot scarier and sadder than it just being a CIA psyop or whatever people claim.
>>41632045>single out gullible people and send them down a spiral of ever more outlandish conspiracywouldnt be surprised. you know for sure that its a grift for some, and a well poisoning tactic for others.
>>41631342>on a curved surface it doesnt.So you live on a earth where the HORIZON RISES TO EYE LEVEL?I guess Im talking to a damn bot, or an actual troll who snacks on fucking wax crayons.You literally just debunked yourself you fucking moron. Youre doing flat earthers jobs for them.When you look at the horizon you are NOT LOOKING AT THE GROUND (2nd time telling you) so what would that ground below the horizon allow you to have? (drumroll...)A FUCKING DIP ANGLE YOU DUMBASS
>>41632144>the HORIZON RISES TO EYE LEVEL?no it doesnt. thats just another common lying flat earth mantra that they never bother to check out.
>>41632144>So you live on a earth where the HORIZON RISES TO EYE LEVEL?No I don't, it drops over so slightly as your altitude increases, which geometrically can't happen on a flat plane.>so what would that ground below the horizon allow you to have? (drumroll...)A FUCKING DIP ANGLE YOU DUMBASSokay, then let's come back to the images in>>41626190>>41626486An angle consists of two rays, one of them is the one labeled "Horizontal Eye Level" in the image. The other is "Dip angle".Please be so kind to tell me how you determine, where the second ray is supposed to go? Because your image makes it look as if you you just make it intersect with some arbitrary point in the ground.Don't worry, being bad at geometry really isn't a problem, you just might want to stop being so smug about it desu, this is embarrassing
>>41632190So now when you look at the horizon youre looking out into free-space or the sky? Not its parallel to surface level, sea level, with eye levelYoure a dumbass clown, only showing you dont understand what the horizon is. Its an apparent location. WHERE THE SKY AND GROUND APPEAR TO MEET.
>>41632266>So now when you look at the horizon youre looking out into free-space or the sky?You're looking where the sky meets the ground. On a flat plane that is off into infinity at the vanishing point, on a curved surface it's where you can't look past the curve. On a big enough sphere (like say one with radious 6378 km) that would be a few arcseconds below your horizontal (I know this nomenclature is very complicated for you, but I'm sure you can figure it out, big boy)
>>41632265>Please be so kind to tell me how you determine, where the second ray is supposed to go? Because your image makes it look as if you you just make it intersect with some arbitrary point in the groundBegging the question fallacy. Dip angle gets established when its a depression from horizontal eye level. Has nothing to do with dip angle demonstrating a curved surface, it doesnt
>>41632301Still claiming the horizon is a physical sphere edge when thats literally NOT how its defined your fucking moron. You think Im just making this shit up or something? Im not, its not physical its apparent, for the 5th time idiot
>>41632307>Dip angle gets established when its a depression from horizontal eye levelA depression to what? What are the two rays you are measuring an angle between?
>>41632344Rays dont actually exist. Youre measuring an angle from the surface using a correction dip angle. That correction is used for account for the observers height.
>>41632369And where does that angle come from in your opinion? How would you you measure or calculate it if you had the necessary equipment?Because it has to come from somewhere, right?
>>41632144>So you live on a earth where the HORIZON RISES TO EYE LEVEL?These are some examples of flatties claiming that the horizon rises to eye level:https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/34747970/#34764517https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/35136802/#35143880https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/35459988/#q35463782https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/38308136/#38326786https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/38891970/#38893179https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/39908790/#39910419Only in /x/, not other boards. That's on the first page of ten. Now imagine if we search youtube or the whole internet.What has changed?
>>41632412>inb4 he'll pull out his logical fallacy stickerpack again
>>41632387>And where does that angle come from in your opinion?Not my opinion. Theres a verticle plane and horizontal plane, which give the elevation angle and zenith angle. That horizontal line comes from a bubble level, your observer height looking down at the horizon. That line is parallel to surface level or sea level. You get the same angle as you would to a star, from the horizontal plane or zenith. How else would you draw an angle to earths surface?
>>41632387Is a sextant not a measuring equipment for this? Measurement isnt calculation btw
>>41632744>>41632754None of these show where the dip angle comes into play.>looking down at the horizonWhy would the horizon be below you on a flat plane?It's fascinating how you're reiterating that the horizon drops below 0° as the observer height increases, because usually flat earthers fight tooth and nail to deny that. Because that is geometrically impossible on a flat plane.>Is a sextant not a measuring equipment for this?Not for the dip angle, hence why navigators had to either calculate it or reference it from a table.
>>41630889 These videos give youn the answer>>41607559
>>41632744>>41632754Or just to clarifyif we go back to >>41622845 and take the numbers from that table (converting the units here). At an observer height of about 6m the dip is 0.07138°.If you stand on a flat plane and look down at that angle, you will see the ground about 4.8km in front of you. So you're telling me that's where you'd perceive the horizon?How exactly is that supposed to work? So if you look along the blue line you would see the ground, for example 3km in front of you, but if you tried to look at the ground 5km in front of you along the red line you would see the sky?Which part of this do you disagree with?Because even if the numbers in the tables are fake, that would just change the numbers on the green lines, you'd still end up looking directly at the unobstructed ground and, according to your logic, seeing the sky, because you're looking down at an angle of smaller magnitude than the horizon dip angle