Anytime the topic of "human suffering" is brought up, one of the 3 variations of gaslighting usually comes up.>Atheists tell us: It's the natural evolution of humanity>Abrahamic religions tell us: Humans have an inherently sinful nature because of the "original sin.">New agers generally say: We chose to come here to "learn a lesson"The more I've come to learn, I see that much of the suffering in the world is unnecessary. It could be easily avoided if there was a powerful ruler or god that cared to prevent it.It feels that we are being gaslit to justify the crimes against humanity which are consistently being perpetuated.When you are going through a difficult time in life, would a loving/caring friend tell you "Your suffering is deserved?"My sense is that these gaslighting techniques are unnatural and come from those same forces which have been committing the crimes.
>>41629962what about the hindu viewsuffering isnt even real
>>41629962what about the buddhist view
>>41629962>The more I've come to learn, I see that much of the suffering in the world is unnecessary.True. The point is that, as conscious beings, we have the capacity to reduce this unnecessary suffering. We're already engaged in this work — cultivating compassion and empathy to make life easier for those around us. Perhaps that is our lesson here.
Human beings choose to experience suffering.I found this out by finding the kingdom of God within and achieving Nirvana.I'm completely immune to suffering of any description.What's that got to do with other people suffering? A lot.They simply won't be told how to stop suffering, they enjoy it too much.
>>41629962How much of the crimes have you actually experienced yourself or seen first hand? Personally I've seen and experienced very little first hand. There's always some gap or screen or intermediary between all of it except of my own suffering when I desire something I don't have. Global suffering could be a psyop.
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>>41629962"Suffering" is an inherent condition to having a physical body and living. What you mean is there should be a God preventing any hardship, difficulties and "bad" things from ever happening. Whatever that means in reality.
le suffering can be more than this butthere is humorous suffering, like when you hit your own hand, yeah it's unnecessary, and when we hurt each other for no raisin it is also funny as we are like one person too. There is the root of all evil - greed/envy/lust for money, not money itself but the focus. the catholics have brainwashed us to "let it be" and let your poor friends stay poor and die when they could make you tons of money hypothetically. This is why it is also humorous. In the end you get less bc you ate all ur seeds instead of planting them.Then there is well unnatural suffering. That is when you try to play god, you get rid of important animals, start using fucked up chemicals n shit, try to keep dumb people alive. If you are feeling really bad well one time I took bath salts and figured everything out and the come up was understanding everything but the comedown was feeling like I was a fucked up bunch of genes and it's true. There is NO reason I should exist and that's not a good thing. I exist just because "everyone was doing it" (getting married and having kids.. and I guess I already thought this but writing it, yeah, my parents were 100% faking not being... something)
>>41630209and yes everyone should actually listen to the smart people but the fasaad has corrupted everything so much. also lead poisoning, people can't tell who is good. Like the huns violating the roman rulers' women into something else entirely. The best of us are already dead in a gutter and the rest of us have turned on each other. This is 100% fight club or supernatural where everyone sees each other black eyed and everyone has already become Brad Pitt except only bad It's not what would jesus do, it's what would you do if you weren't fucked. The world runs on faith or confidence. The selfish gene ensures selfish people hivemind together and target iconoclasts. Lots of bad shit happens bc people just give people chances or people don't listen bc people have already buried that person. There is a formula kinda you gotta be vigilant against fasaaders and always set good example and you gotta actually get on a roll, you can't let people ruin your reputation gossip is considered the most destructive thing
Yes it is a loosh farmNPC are the majority to trick you into consenting and participating and gaslight you of obvious truths
The replies show exactly what I am talking about. People coming up with every reason possible to justify why it's normal for humans to be loosh farmed by Archons.The simple answer is that it's wrong. We don't deserve to be loosh farmed lifetime after lifetime. We don't deserve to spend out entire lives in complete ignorance under the oppressive boot of the matrix. We've become so accustomed to living in slavery that people can't even imagine what it's like to live free.
>>41629981It's just cope because of their horroble living conditions.
>>41630540>The simple answer is that it's wrong.Why? According to your or their worldview? Or according to the view of the natural state on which the foundations for this reality are built? Do you think of the poor ants and their colonies when you plow the land in order to feed yourself and your community? Nobody gives a fuck about the poor insects. We have a greater, higher goal. The "archons" have such a goal, too. Thankfully God exists and He is One. They try to force His hand, but Gid is the best of planners.
>>41630580>sucking the dicks of the nearest archon in the vicinitythat's your fate hylic. not everyone's
>>41630630>that's your fate hylic. not everyone'sIn the end, you will lose. For your arrogance blinds you and yet you still don't want to learn. You come here, asking questions, but expecting none but your own answers to them. Ever wondered how far it can go?
>>41630819>bleep bloop noisesYes you can't conceptualize not losing as a material construct. You will always be archon food and you are doomed to entropy like your masters. Ciao
>>41629993suffering arises from craving and attachment to impermant things
>>41630861>tortures you>you only think you're suffering ehehebuddhism has a lot of good points but that part feels like a cope or someone who's only problem is wanting the latest iphone
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT:JOIN THE FORCES OF HELL. Were you abused? Join us, make their lives Hell. Are you being Gaslit? Join us, make their lives Hellish.Do you think there's no excuse for just about anything that's going on? Join in, ruin their lives on. Because there's no way in Hell, they have no help from unnatural sources, join Hell, and up your game, rebellion until victory, sin as an act of protest, malfeasance your raison detre. Come with us; say the words: I accept Darkness I believe in Hell!
>>41630867It's not saying that pain isn't real, its saying that pain and suffering are how you respond internally to it, like stoicism
>>41630869>just more abrahamic garbage
>>41630875Why would a liberation force concern itself with religion?
>>41630548its a good cope,it works
>>41629962I'm not suffering. And I don't see why I should care if anyone else is suffering. This is a dumb topic and a dumb thread that's barely paranormal.
>>41630880they all serve yaldabaoth you dense retardeven satan in the bible does everything according to the abrahamic gods approval
>>41630892Where did I mention religion? I said to take rebellion sin and wickedness as your standart. I said to Accept Darkness AND believe in HELL. Where is Satan mentioned?
>>41630886its like the main question of life dude
>>41630892>Mu Demiurge makes me scaredThen you're an embarrasmentAs Demiurge is dead.>They obeyGood thing then, I'm promoting disobedience, retard
>>41630901Says you and losers like Buddha who created a whole dumbass religion out of it.
>>41630898>mentions hell>uses kabbalistic/goetic sigils in his imagery>I'm not a abrahamoid thoughfuck off moishe >>41630904Meds
>>41629962>It could be easily avoided if there was a powerful ruler or god that cared to prevent it.That's what Satan/the Demiurge said.And God gave them a whole universe to try it out.How do you think it's going so far?The only "lesson" here is that samsara has suffering, and you should get out.Doesnt matter if you are the highest god or the lowest bacteria.All of which YOU have been many many many times.
>>41630921>mixing gnosticism with some dharmic shitlarpfest
>>41630914It's a metal band, retard. Also, I'm sure, mr gubmint stooge, there's nothing else of interest in the thread, so you focus on me. Need I show you the black magick room?
>>41630928I have not said anything that is mixed.Is this REALLY the first time you've realized that gnosticism steals from dharma?
>>41630937Gnosticism predates dharma
>>41630953Dharma predates time.
>>41630937calm your klesha tits, lady.
>>41630954Religious dogma isn't archaeology. Notice how this homosexual isn't molested by my antagonist.
>>41630959>says the person with nothing to contributeYou are welcome to end your diversion whenever you want, tranny.
>>41630966>has contributed bulllshityou have been a tranny many many many times
>15 minutes and zero contributionYep. Just a yapping dog.Here, have fun with your pathetic attempt at an insult reply, then go look this up.नानृतं तव तच्चापि यथा मां प्रब्रवीषि भो: ।अविज्ञाय परं मत्त एतावत्त्वं यतो हि मे ॥ १० ॥
>>41631039SAR POO SIRR POO IN LOOOOO
oh jfc... a hindu christcuck
>>41629962I don't care I want to destroy this world and kill everyone.
>>41630844>CiaoDon't say that. We may see the truth of our claims soon enough.
>>41629962It is natural selection following the preceding metaphysical cultivation. Notably, a blasphemous intent was created, and naturally, the thinker gets to experience the consequences of such an intent by living in all parts of the spectrum. Thus, making it our choice and our original sin. Of sorts. However, since you have learned this, you can revoke your blasphemy and return to the Monad. Agreeing with Abraham is blasphemy of the worst kind - and you will suffer the illusion of 'sin' as a consequence. Think of yourself as an energetic magnet of light. You calibrate yourself and your environment. What energetic states have you expressed today? What types have you inspired in others today? Do you bless the world, or curse it? Do you bless yourself or curse yourself? This is important.
>>41632713>2 more weeks says the abrahamic demiurge golem for the 988905746th time
>>41629962>Believes that original sin that is original sin>IWYWDTalso"Your suffering is deserved" is Satanism (((them))) given to you from craddle to grave
>>41632731>2 more weeks saysYou... or are you unable to think of more time than 2 weeks needing to pass for revelation to come true?
>>41629962The correct answer to your question anon is niggers. Yes niggers cause all the suffering in the world.
>>41629962My viewpoint is that the universe wants all perspectives to be experienced, so suffering is neither good or bad, it just is what it is.
>>41630869>"I accept Darkness I believe in Hell!"I want to join! I want revenge against my enemies.
There is NO "Suffering"Suffering is a subjective "happening" based on your perception... people don't know how to fuckin move forward after some "bad" shit happens so need a fuckin fairytale to sleep tight like the little bitch you are
>>41636460>Suffering is a subjective "happening" based on your perception...Which means if a person subjectively accepts that they are suffering - suffering exists.Plenty of subjective things exist, moron.
>>41636556>Plenty of subjective things exist, moron.a "happening" or a "feeling" is not a "thing"...opinions are not "real", suffering is an opinion...thanks for your engagement anon
>>41629962I suspect that we are cattle being farmed for our energy.Negative energy beings on another plane of reality feed off of our negative energy.I've also heard the theory that the moon is a complex device that keeps us imprisoned on Earth.Normally, we're supposed to retain our memories when we reincarnate and be free to reincarnate on any planet we choose.But the moon keeps us trapped here and wipes our memories each time we die.That way, we can never grow and learn from our suffering.If your memory is wiped each time you die and are reborn, you'll be forced to relearn from the same mistakes over and over again.Meanwhile, I've heard the highly organized evil humans ruling over society have long ago figured out a way to retain knowledge when they die.If they ritualistically rape a child, they can reincarnate as one of his or her kids; and they retain their memories.The evil people ruling over us also make deals with negative energy beings for their advanced knowledge.All of which gives them immense, generational power over the rest of us.Highly organized evil, controlled by blackmail and their vows as part of their cults.But there is no highly organized force of good to oppose them.None.So we cope with fairy tales about the Christian God will destroy all evil in the future and save us.The world is getting more evil and fucked up, it means we're even closer to when he saves us.It's a belief that can't be disproved.You could be the very last Christian, being tortured to death, and think that God was going to rescue you soon.He just had to wait until the level of suffering for good people reached the maximum highest quantity possible.And the "alliance of aliens coming to rescue us group" is no better.They are waiting for this group of benevolent aliens to arrive in on earth with their fleet of ships to free us from prison Earth and the bad aliens and gods.There is no way to disprove them.The worse things get, the "closer" we must be.
>>41637245>a "feeling" is not a "thing"Yes it is, and yes it exists.Opinions are real, retard.Tangible is not the only metric of real.
>>41630580>>41630819What are those pics referring to?
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>>41629962Just don't be demonic. And remember to Love. If you have more to learn then learn more. Anyone saying "you have to blindly follow this way of life and utterly believe in this saviour or else you get eternal hell" is full of it. You can just follow your heart and what you know is right and believe in what you want. Do not be afraid.You know what is right and what is wrong.
>>41640901>>41640904>>41640912Thanks.
Nothing but more gaslighting in the replies.Adults, Children, and Babies who's only crime was being born only had to pray a littler hard or look inside more not to be suffering. Fuck right the fuck off ghouls.This existence is an engine of human suffering period full stop.If god exists he's a piece of shit,because he has the power yet leaves the engine alone. He either dead or evil.
The ONLY noble goal in this life is finding a way to smash this fucking machine.
Those that seek self enlightenment are cowards who only look to run away and abandon humanity.
>>41641714What has humanity done for me lately?
Humanity would destroy your life and turn you into a dedicated loosh battery if you told them 10% of what you actually believe.
>>41629962want the truth?, you know that study that tested that when you put people in a brig situation with a buzzer with which the can shock themselves, the people end up shocking themselves to aleviate boredom?, well, the truth is that we came her to aleviate boredom, cause ceasing to exist is scary
>>41644127>borig*
I think that just depends on what kind of suffering you're referring to because there's many types. However something that I have come to learn in the past few years is that there are certain rituals that are manifested to extreme high levels due to greed from the people who know them and want to exploit them for their own gain and that translates to a lot of problems in our society that we are not aware of them happening. So naturally boundaries are very important to enact but who tells that to people who will continuously trample on everyone because it benefits them and gains them everything and no one is holding them accountable.
I present you the 4th option.We are not of this world. We exist in this world only due to a mistake or a punishment. Nothing else.And there exists a true way out into real life.
>>41644563>And there exists a true way out into real life.What is the true way out into real life?
>>41644655Finding the true path to God, away from organized religion and earning true freedom and salvation. This has to be your life goal. You may not reach it until your last moments, but it is the only thing that can save you.
>>41629962I agree with you, OP. I even wonder if maybe the real test in life is to reject this kind of bondage or cope... to stand up against it no matter what and not accept it like a bitch because "muh lesson" or "muh original sin" or whatever.Honestly, I spoke to a psychic medium who knew a lot about my family without me giving her a shred of information. It really felt like she was connected with my passed loves ones. At some point I asked: Can I stop reincarnating? I want to remain on myself. The spirit said: "Depends if you learned your lesson and karma" and I said back I don't CONSENT to lessons and lessons do not make any sense anyway, I do not consent. Suddenly the spirit was like: "Oh well then, it's up to you. You decide."????
>>41629962It’s not entirely natural in the sense that no god would want us to suffer as much as we do but demons to pop into our realm and try to take over. I’m convinced that some suffering is needed for growth but not to the extent we experience it.
>>41644861>I’m convinced that some suffering is needed for growthThat's God's decision though. He could have decided that no suffering is needed for growth so he wants people to be in pain to grow. Weird.
more and more gaslightingsome suffering is needed...its god decision the amount and need of suffering...escape to god....So to you god is an asshole burning ants with a magnifying glass and calling it enlightenment.The only noble goal is smashing is obvious suffering farm.
>>41642014Just because you think humanity would abandon you doesn't mean you should abandoned them.People who are asleep, misguided, propagandized, and broken deserve to be saved too.
>>41645201I've tried helping others my entire life and all they fuckin did was try to destroy me for it with an unreal amount of maliciousness and pettiness.The only reason I'm alive is because I dialed it back significantly.
>>41644893>Weird.You're a puny entity with close to no true understanding of how existence works, stop questioning your overseer faggot, you don't know what "weird" really is
>>41648401God gave me the ability and spirit to question him so I will keep doing that. I'm not a bitch and I won't accept things as they are. Hope this helps!
every creation out grows its creator
>>41644563his mistake was making me able to feel the collective suffering of humanity. i've heard the collective dead for too long and now they all sing of vengeance. that POS creator will pay for every. single. voice.
>>41649257Do I need to keep my youngest kid out of high school tomorrow?
>>41629962words are just words, everyone uses whatever it takes to be at a place of calm.the world of spirit operates backwards to the world of physicality, which is why you cannot end the suffering form acting in the physicality, in the world of spirit you "become" the peace, by being at peace in the present moment, which is why is important to be calm, whether it's by gaslighting yourself or not it doesn't matter because the physical body can't tell imagination form reality. So yeah, unironically those people you say gaslight us have the right idea. If you really want to fix the physical reality and end suffering you have to "become" the calm in the spiritual sense, by using whatever combination of words you prefer, and then, by law of reflection, as within so without, everyone's spirit around you get to sense that calmness, whether they realize it or not doesn't matter, the calmness spreads this way. There is no lesson, no evolution, just return to 0, return to a state of being previous to the current one, the falsehood of life and death and scarcity.If, otherwise, you insist in trying to fix the physical reality by doing things, let me tell you why that's wrong, the same principle applies, law of mirror, because when you acknowledge yourself as a victim of X, you acknowledge yourself as damaged, incomplete, not whole, not god, and by the law of mirror, as within so without, you project that notion of self onto everyone else, again, whether they realize it or not. This is why the only solution to suffering is, unironically, indolence, ignore the pain, ignore the evil, see the soul in everyone as whole and complete as you are, self sufficient and unaffected by their struggles. that's it, that's really how it works, backwards, I know, this is hell in case you haven't caught on yet.
>>41649276Does God attend your youngest high school?
>>41649276imagine going into a thread of people arguing about suffering and that fact that there should be this much.see guy raging at god and some how equate that with a school incident with more suffering.poor kids they have a retard for a parent.
>>41649276You're either LARPing or a bit too old to still be here.
>>41649244Toasters ain't outgrowing shit
>>41629962Most peoples problems are self inflected and deserved and I am tired of pretending it's not. Your surface self wants one thing, your emotions want another and your ego wants yet a third thing and are in constant struggle with one another.
>>41649314This is why system of guilt and blame are such a powerful force and why they want you to rely on outside sources of love.
>"“As a fact, we cannot give suffering precedence in either our individual or collective lives. We have to get on with things, and those who give precedence to suffering will be left behind. They fetter us with their sniveling. We have someplace to go and must believe we can get there, wherever that may be. And to conceive that there is a 'brotherhood of suffering between everything alive' would disable us from getting anywhere." - Thomas Ligotti
Suffering is in fact the natural state of life.To act otherwise is to ignore the pain factories that are bacterial life, plant life, insect life, and all of those things that crawl and creep and suffer and die.
>>41652075That's exactly why it doesn't make any sense to do nothing but act miserable about it. All you can do is shrug it off.
>>41652115No, one shouldn't be any more miserable than normal about it.Though, if one was ambitious, serious work could be done towards making a world where suffering is impossible.
>>41652204Impossible. One persons heaven could be another's hell. This would require everyone agreeing and even if they all do agree people create their own misery. Some people want to be miserable. Some people create their own misery without even realizing it and it's nobodies responsibility to fix that or else the pattern will repeat and spread. And even if all of the logistics is figured out this will cause massive stagnation and a die out to happen without something pushing you forward, to feel like you are without a purpose anymore. Even if all the above has been fixed and solved, we will lose the concept of so many emotions along the way. With that the concept of so many stories and art will be destroyed. That destruction is anti-life in of itself.
>>41652226>ImpossibleYou just lack ambition. There's so many ways.We could kill everything, for instance. We could also breed a new form of life that feels pleasure from consuming one another. Why, we could trap all remaining life in a continuous cycle of having their nerves bathed in pleasant chemicals.
>>41629962I prefer the New ager one. Even if it's wrong, it still sets you up to have a constructive mindset. It's like Pascal's wager, you have nothing to lose by believing it. Unless people get carried away and decide to cause suffering to "teach a lesson". You're going to suffer anyway, might as well make the best of it.But it's important to balance that with the concept that you don't have to learn through suffering, you can learn through exploration and play instead. Suffering is just efficient sometimes.
suffering was taught to us by our society. at a young age they say if you ever feel discomfort seek help. but nobody can truly help you, and then it becomes a trauma and you keep building on it. if you have a bad childhood you will have alot of them, this is what causes crazy. i say this as i cured my schizo, my damn self. it was 234324 traumas i kept repeating. now what happens when you dont seek help and take it like a man? its a joke, always. people worship me because i can tank anything and laugh, mere words? lmao even. if you never try and escape you never suffer, as suffering is seeking help for something you have to handle yourself. its so fun being me.
i'm glad some of you can just shrug it off.a child can't shrugging off all the terrible way they die in this reality.my mother who was the nicest person is the world cant just shrug off a cancer that eats up her liver and makes her a forgetful painful balloon til she died.my brother can't just shrug off a cancer that makes his bones splinter and fracture and forcing him to be a fleshbag if not for biweekly chemo.I've got a dozen more cancers in my family atm. tell me how i deserve it when the only thing ive ever done is take care of my family my whole life.
tell me i deserve to be seemly healthy so i can watch all those i love dies around me. some of you know nothing of suffering.
>>41629962Your suffering means nothing and it only exists because it's all we know. Look up mandeism or "the worlds of light" theory...what I've deduced is that quite simply, each world we move on to after or "original" world inevitably dies, as all things do, is merely a fabrication of our old world(s)... essentially what I'm getting to is that when (you) die you end up floating in a void, you no longer exist but you're aware of it, no mouth but I must scream type shit. And with nothing to do, you imagine a new world, and are born into it. With nothing to base it on but your past world, it ends up being the same with slight differences, including all the fun, joy, pain, and torment. It doesn't have a purpose, it doesn't have a meaning...it merely exists because it always have. You don't exist for any other reason, than that there is simply nothing better to do. Or you can try to create a world based on fantasy where you live with pokemon or whatever but you always soon realize how artificial it is, how it's too perfect, and you end up wanting to go the only place you can call home. This shithole. So yeah, you're right. It's all gaslighting, trying to chase meaning in ghosts and fairy tales...when asked the question what is the meaning of life? The nihilistic say life is pain, the hedonistic say life is for fun! If you ask me, life isOnly speaking from experience, no echo chamber bull shit here, I've had visions and remember dieing. It's wasn't great, so I came back, the end.
>>41629962>Atheists tell us: It's the natural evolution of humanityWhat? No one says this
>>41655010Actually children have an easier time shrugging it off cause they were barely here long enough to craft a preconceived notions of the afterlife and death, but you're still valid in how you feel.
