Hippies and new age psi people always talk about how friendly/uncaring the spirits they meet are, yet classical occultists argue that most of the spirits you'll meet will be malicious in one way or another, either using you or fooling you. How can these 2 accounts be reconciled?
>New age psi peopleTheir accounts should just be dismissed and ignored. They're just psyop victims meant to sow the seeds of a modern religion over time. Spirits are inherently predatory. They're eating us in different ways. They play with us occasionally, likely to increase whatever they're harvesting from us. If it a spirit feels like an ally, it's because you're an interesting meal in some form. We exist in time, they probably don't. "Spirits", whatever they are, do not care what little humans have decided is right or wrong.
>>41633243Cultural.
Someone trying to fool you is likely to act super friendly if it helps them get what they want
Part of it is what you expect is what you manifest. Another part is that people in centuries gone by mostly led uncomfortable, difficulty-ridden lives, and expected more of that out of all but the greatest gifts from The Heavens.If you want to help improve your ability to have good dealings with good spirits and defeat evil spirits more easily then consider growing some brain cells that will do that. The occult, the spirit, is material, yet not...it is produced of, and produces, the material, and the two affect each other. Embrace power, embrace fate, embrace change...reality is full of change.
>>41633243>hippies: just lets spirits be as they are, and so spirits act friendly to them>occultists: try to control and threaten spirits, so spirits get angryEvil people, like those who dabble in demonic magic, because haunted by demons and evil spirits
>>41633830No because I've been tormented my entire life by demons for no reason. Ever since I was young. This world is just a farm. We're being harvested. Spiritual legal eagles that think their shit doesn't stink aren't really helping the situation at all and are in fact making the torment worse. Pic related. It is an insult to tell someone who is being tormented this way for an extended period of time that they need to just repeeeeeeent. Like grow the fuck up?How can you call yourself a man when you look at the suffering of others and do absolutely fuck all. Asserting to yourself that they DESERVE what happened to them.They'll all go to hell. The real hell. They're not fucking special or better than me? They're cocksucking kikes. That's what they really are.
>>41633243Some spirits can be benevolent, some spirits can be malicious, and some spirits aren't wholly one or the other.Additionally, if you've wrongfully transgressed against even a benevolent spirit, would that spirit seem malevolent from your point of view if it reacted to you with force?On the other side of that coin, if you've made offerings and supplications to a spirit that is usually malevolent, should we suddenly think of it as being benevolent because it's responding favorably to your offerings?
>>41633891The spirit world is full of garbage pretty much.
>>41633243Simple. Dismiss it all as fanciful bullshit. Focus on the real. Your life is shit and you’re a waste of a good wank.
>>41633969That applies to the human world too pretty much.
if you go bugging any mother fucker expecting something you better offer something or you're going to get played with.
>>41633243You have to take a look at the fruits of the person. So you'll notice the hippy/new age psi people maintain something called toxic positivity; basically a fake facade of "this is what an enlightened person looks like" but behind the scenes are angry, sociopathic, manipulative, broke, chaotic, shallow, or just outright stupid. This is what happens when spirits take you on a ride, there is no actual change and you just become a delusional person with a maladaptive personality. You see this happens with occultists who operate off the "spirits are friends/demons are my patron" model as well except they get run over with a little more potent arrogance than the new agers.Wisemen of all tradition, and actual wizards speak of the caution one is to listen to and approach spirits with and if you look at their fruits you see happy, well adjusted, wise, and fulfilled people. So what philosophy or approach do you think yields actual results?
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hippies like Monroe lie about not having encountered hostile entities because then people will not buy their products out of fear
>>41633243The only spirit that exists you can perceive is your soul. It wears many masks and that's the challenge to face. They aren't out there in the world they're in your mind. Negative spirits are just bad feelings and memories wearing a mask that appears in the inner world, the imagination, unconsciously so people freak out and say it's spooky demons cus they don't know wtf if going on and superstition is taken literally.
>>41633243If I were a spirit, I would be evil if I didn't get my caffeine dose from tea or coffee regularly, but if I were offered it, I would be surely kind to the family of the one who offered it to me.
>>41633275what is melody telling to the other melody
>>41636288look at the icons in any church. These icons are images of spirits, they are associated with spirits. Spirits are, and they can be influential.
>>41633275I knew guys that talked to egregores of Touhou characters, and they said they some of these sometimes popped out randomly. And they often talked about doing offerings to the spirits, generally things charged with spiritual energy, such as childhood toys, I imagine. I wonder if that means that these spirits feed off from them or how does it work.
>>41636357Yes that's how imagination and intuition work. I've seen the same kinda things all my life when I close my eyes. They only look scary but they're just parts of your psyche. You have to understand the Bible is trying to explain the inner architecture by using the outside world. It's the story of consciousness that's why it's the supposed word of god. The cosmos exists inside your mind you just have to be willing to face the abyss and be open to possibility.
>>41636288>>41636568wildly reductionist viewpoint. people have been able to get things done and get information they never could through these means. just dismissing it as all your subconscious is ludicrous. I do agree that most of the schizos you'll meet are talking to fractured parts of themselves, but there are moments, unexpected and unintended moments, where one can talk to something beyond the firmament and get knowledge that they never could have otherwise.
>>41633243Two things can be true at once. Might have something to do with the attitude these people have when encountering them, might be the locations they encounter them in, etc. Spirits I've encountered have varied between good natured, indifferent or playful, and outright malicious but I never go looking for them deliberately and I try not to engage with them.
>>41637924Hurts to let go of complexity. It's a lie of this world things need to be complicated. Really it's all pretty simple. Simple enough a child can understand. Everything ever written about angels and demons and ghosts is pure fantasy. It's all horse shit. It only comes from within. Whatever shape it takes is just your minds way of decoding something incomprehensible to logical thought. Are dreams demons? No. To channel the divine you attune to the intuitive non logical imagination part of the mind. That's where the kingdom lies.
>>41633880> that they need to just repeeeeeeentYep 99.99% of people incarnating in this realm are looking to learn some spiritual lessons, and a further 90% probably came from a hell realm rather than from heaven. That includes you by the way.I've moved around many white collar jobs, and I see the same thing in every office:>most people hate nearly everyone else, except might have a handful of friends>everyone jealous and envious>competing for status and power>lying and manipulation>hating everyone who is better than them>scorning those who are worse than them>lots of lazyness>much unhappinessSee the same shit everywhere, and its all caused by the people being evil. They are aware of the evil in other people and are very fast to complain about it, but don't realize the same evil exists in themselves. So the people really do deserve to be grouped together to make eachother miserable, because they are all the same - they are evil. You to are in the denial stage. You are unaware of your own evil - of how you cause others to suffer. If someone dropped power in your lap you would use it to increase other people's suffering.
>>41633243The old people being respected with their true form while the new people the entities want energy from. The tapes teach heart beat and noise as vibration why would the vibrational energy of the conversation not be able to be sustained on by the entity? New age people accounts = daughter of Lockheed Martin worker at most doing self egregorization while the occultists in the past were bold and earned the true form. Think of how in the bible angels come to normal people in human form and their true ring creature form is only seen by prophets and usually comes bearing responsibility. If they showed up as their true form 99% would freak the fuck out
>>41633243>How is this reconciled???Every authentic tradition lays out two distinct categories which are good spirits and bad spirits. Names and positioning may very but the idea is the same. The people you name, the "new-agers" and the classical "occultists", are just emphasizing different camps of what is really the same creature. Understanding them becomes easier once this is realized.
