Are the tuatha de danann different to the Aos Sí?I notice they seem to be used interchangeably.Are the "fair folk" or fairies just both in general?Cause some of the spirits had brown skin too, like hobgoblins.
I was under the impression that the Tuatha de Danann were kind of like ancestors to the Aos Si.Of course, I could be wrong, the former may be the old Irish gods, and the latter may be simply be remnants of their memory, or lesser spirits.
>>41653241but didn't the tuatha de danann come to ireland later on? the aos si are meant to be like the indigenous land spirits, but they both conflated
The girl in your picrel us an eldrich abomination in reality, not a fairy. Unless fairies are Lovecraftian.
>>41653612Maybe he's the only who see her as she really is and the world is actually the abomination.
>>41653592The Fomorians were native to the land, not the Aos Sí, who descend from the Tuatha Dé Danann, >>41653241 is correct. The Fomorians were more or less exterminated by the Tuatha Dé Danann but survivors occasionally appear as monsters in later stories. Real messed up ugly fuckers, nothing at all like the Aos Sí.
>>41653612The Aos Sí and the Tuatha Dé Danann are almost always depicted in more-or-less human form, unless they're disguised as animals. The eldritch abominations are the Fomorians, who are mostly exterminated in the Book of Invasions and who probably represent the indigenous pre-Celtic population.
https://www.ulster.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/939852/0317.pdf
>>41652900Pleiadians were ancestors in Ireland, and they were the ones who made all the portals there.But all Fae are Jinn, and both of those are different than Pleiadians.Different types of Fae are basically different 'houses' of Jinn, something like different families or clans of the same species. Species might not be the best way to describe Jinn though, its a bit like a different order of life, than the organic carbon based life we have.
>>41653612Saya is a certified cutie, anyon.
>>41653928are skiapods and hobgoblins fomorians then?
>>41654321Yes. Djinn are made of "smokeless fire." Hot air. The order of ascension toward God in the Japanese model is essentially water-> air (ghosts and Djinn and the like) -> earth (vibration) (demons and such) -> fire (light, radiation) (gods and suns and black holes) -> unity and reintegration with the divine. Supposedly, when we die we crack out the tops of our heads and become a Chakra and meridian shaped jellyfish looking sort of being made of air. Djinn are more like that.
>>41654363What i mean is that Djinn and fae and ghosts and all that aren't in another world or anything. They're here with us, but they're less "made of stuff" than we are. Fun fact: spirit means breath. We respirate because we are actually a spirit (air based consciousness) utilizing a water suit to order earth matter in a lattice to hold our water in like a fish tank. Your body is the result of a spirit gathering water and matter around itself to navigate and interact more directly with the world. When your fish tank "dies," your spirit just keeps being made of air. That's why the so called spiritual doesn't always "manifest." Manifestation is a phenomenon wherein the conditions of the air allow for air based life to gather enough material around itself to be visible, though it is made of air, which is not visible. Cold, foggy or smokey places with high air pressure and density tend to be such places: "spooky" places. Caves. That sort of thing. Oxygen is blue tinted: thus the blue color of ghost lights and willow wisps and such.
>>41654384This is also how the supernatural can help or hurt us. Ghosts can "curse" or haunt people and affect their health because they are made of air and the way they interact is now based on pressure, temperature, and things only accessible to air beings. A human who was a gifted mechanic is still a gifted mechanic even as a ghost. It's just that now all he can do is control the flow of fluids and tighten or loosen things. He has to use air pressure to do anything at all. When my best friend died, he fixed my broken car. Straight up repaired a persistent check engine light due to a retarded fuel filter that multiple mechanics had failed to solve. The next day he had my apartment tree service people drop a branch right through my windshield and purchased me a new windshield. Respect the dead. Respect your ancestors. They may still be working for you every day and you'd be none the wiser.
>>41654357Hobgoblins are a Saxon myth, I'm pretty sure. I think one of the Fomorians is described in the Leabhar Gabhála as having one giant foot, but not sure.
What a fun topic to discuss. I'm sure it doesn't bother anyone. You guys should keep doing this. It'll be funny.
https://archive.org/details/bloomsbury-2024-classical-antiquity-medieval-ireland/page/337
>>41653911Good point.
>>41652900>Are the tuatha de danann different to the Aos Sí?It's interchangeable, yes, though Aos Si is more a reference to living in the sidhe themselves.>>41653592No, the latter describes the former after returning to New Grange. It doesn't really mean what you think it means though. New Grange is where Shambhala is or Atlantis or Mu is.>>41653928No, silly, the Fomorians were not native to Ireland. They're said to come "from the North" and/or the Norse area. Think of a precursor to the Vikings, like Phoenicians, "Sea Peoples".>descended fromNot really. It's a term that referenced the same people, just at a later date and after they (re)entered the Sidhe.So there were several waves into the Ireland and Scotland area.The original people were the Cessair, who arrived after the Irish flood myth dissipated (hard to frame now, it being such an ancient story). Following them were the Partholonians, who don't seem to be any less ambiguous than the Cessair, but where it gets interesting is the Nemedians. If you look into it, it's clear the Nemedians came from Scythia. This makes perfect sense considering the same Yamnaya-adjacent cultures (Androvo or Scythians) that came from the Steppe share an obvious common ancestor and their cultures seem to mix regularly for thousands of years following the expanses. You'll even see references to "Sithe" (linguistically very close to Scyth or Syth, though not phonetically) in many names and modern gaelic. From their descendants came the Fir Bolg, who are represented by those winged guys with bags you guys ask each other about all the time, calling them Nephilim. These are the people the Tuatha de Dannan seemingly conquered and/or meshed with. Later came the Milesians, who supposedly came from Egypt, forming the kingdom of the Dalriata.
>>41652900One Tree Hill is about the Tuatha de Danann
>>41655846what
>>41656838Fairies aren't even real. If they are real, they're probably really short and gay or something that doesn't intimidate me.lol
>>41655846>>41657010Found the fairy. Holy insecurity.
>>41657066That's sort of the whole joke here, bud.
>>41657071The joke is that they give you such bad deals that they had to be called the 'fair' folk!
>>41657170Let's be real, the deals are more than fair. You'd just rather pout when the well runs dry than be satisfied. Don't you feel immature for acting like this?
>>41657180Take your meds, threadcamping bro!
>>41657182>stop doing things I'm doing!topkek
https://web.archive.org/web/20020124164953/http://www.shee-eire.com/Magic&Mythology/Myths/Tuatha-De-Danann/YewofdisputingSons/yds.htm
if fairies are meant to be attractive than what about the nuckelavee and goblins?
>>41659180Outside references to the Daoine Maithe, we have loads of suggestions that they're ugly, short, capricious and much more. The reality was exactly the opposite of most of these things, hence the irony of calling them all small, calling them fairies (they were renown warriors who all had Inspiration-War Gods as their base spiritual mover), rendering them ugly when they're notably "Fair", etc.Outside of that, references to Daoine Maithe (or "Good Folk/Good People") seem to have been an appeasement, largely meant to satisfy their capricious tendencies.
>>41656838You're not supposed to talk about them. They don't like it.
>>41660938This is a bit confused. It's not so much said "fairies" themselves that dislike the discussion, but those who aren't fond of them. The sort of rumor that you shouldn't speak about them unless you speak fondly was started by many local (British) invaders which were cursed by these same people. They grew renown for such curses and it often intimidated the invaders, enabling the rumors that displeasing them isn't in anyone's interest, let alone speaking poorly of them in public.Few know much about them, right? Do you think that's because they don't want to tell you about themselves or do you think it's because a third party wishes to control the narrative?You're taught that they're evil but this isn't what the literature says at all. The Roman invaders just sort of made all of that up. They even told you no one wrote anything down, which was nothing more than a convenient excuse seeing as how they just burned the books.
>>41660970I dunno, I just know my Nan thinks that if she talks about them they'll do something horrible to the family.
>>41660975>I dunnoIsn't it pretty obvious? They tried to murder all of them. When that didn't work, they tried to bed all their women. When that didn't work, they just stole them. After scattering them everywhere, they were easier to isolate and pick off, experiment on, feed on or worse.It makes you question who those "good guys" might be after all, right?
>>41660992They're not usually depicted as "bad guys" or evil though, just haughty and quick to take offense in the way that pre-Christian European nobility often were.
>>41661030>pre-Christian European nobilityWho did you think the nobility in question was, silly billy? You people have this so confused. They mind fucked the shit out of you, didn't they?You have this all wrong. The things you think ended never did. What you think began was only an ancient continuation. What you think replaced muh satanic stuff was far worse than what you thought muh satanic stuff was. All your shit is upside down. You're doing it wrong, faggot.
>>41661046>who do you think the nobility in question was?They were, of course. That's why you need to be careful of them.The rest of what you've said is completely out of pocket. I never said anything about things ending, or "muh satanic stuff". I explicitly said that they aren't evil, which obviously precludes anything Satanic. I think in you're head you're having a conversation with somebody else entirely.
>>41653612>Unless fairies are Lovecraftian.lovecraftian deities are just thought-forms/emanations of the ultimate reality (Yog-sothoth) so maybe the celts depicted their gods following the neoplatonic chain of being that is like:Ultimate Reality>The Godhead>Primordials>Gods>Spirits>Humans
https://archive.org/details/a633817001cathuoft/page/371https://archive.org/details/a633817002cathuoft/page/124
>>41660938why is that, is it exclusive? Do you only know them if they give you the apple?
